Shooting Victim’s Father: ‘Chris Died Because Of Craven Irresponsible Politicians And The NRA’
Richard Martinez is the father of 20-year-old shooting victim Christopher Martinez. He spoke of the tragedy at a press conference Saturday.
“Our son Chris Martinez and six others are dead,” Martinez said. “Our family has a message for every parent out there: You don’t think it will happen to your child until it does…
Chris was a really great kid. Ask anyone who knew him. His death has left our family lost and broken.
Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights. What about Chris’s right to live?
When will this insanity stop? When will enough people say, “Stop this madness!” Too many have died. We should say to ourselves, “Not one more!”
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
gingerdog May 25th, 2014 at 11:35 am
How dare you exploit this man’s tragic grief in order to further your anti-American agenda! Where is the call to restrict the sale, licensing, and use of knives? Your argument for gun control is nonsensical. Crime rates are going down. Please use your time to educate yourself about the data, facts, and statistics regarding crime rates in gun-free zones, rather than spew falsehoods and use a father’s pain at the loss of his son to further your demarxist agenda.
fahvel May 25th, 2014 at 11:41 am
you are an evil uncaring piece of merde stuck on the bottom of your own shoe which has a hole in its soul.
Dwendt44 May 25th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
The crime rate dropping has nothing to do with the explosion of guns.
As those ‘statistics’ show, fewer people own guns, but those that do, own more of them. Odd, since you only have two hands.
Educating one’s self includes verifying that those holy statistics you cite are factual or distorted (they are), With the vast majority wanting, or at least supporting, reasonable gun control laws, why aren’t the peoples REPRESENTATIVES doing what they are supposed to do?
William May 25th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
” Please use your time to educate yourself about the data, facts, and statistics” …..
OK.
Bob Waas Sr. May 25th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
How would you get the criminals to turn in their illegal guns? Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders. Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun.
Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.
I wish the anti-gun folks would be equally upset over abortions, which are nothing but legalized murder. There has been 55,772,015 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973.
William May 26th, 2014 at 8:11 am
There has been 55,772,015 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973.
You used to be a little funny when you’d try to divert the subject to abortion or global warming, but now you’re just boring.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Just saying, abortions kill more innocent children than guns ever will. What I’m not saying is that either one is acceptable.
Talk about diverting the subject, the anti-gun folks have yet to come up with a solution to reduce gun violence; except to take the guns out of the hands of those who hadn’t and probably won’t commit a crime with a gun.
William May 26th, 2014 at 8:22 am
There has been 55,772,015 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973
It’s categorically insane the way you show your concerned for a fetus, but when children are murdered you show zero outrage.
John Tarter May 26th, 2014 at 8:01 am
Like Obewon, you fail explain the “children” who have been killed by guns. These include gang bangers, other “children” involved in violent criminal activity and “children” of the ages of 17, 18, and 19.
William May 26th, 2014 at 8:15 am
These include gang bangers, other “children” involved in violent criminal activity and “children” of the ages of 17, 18, and 19.
Who gets to decide who the “gang bangers” are?
Is it a tattoo? a jacket? Does my motorcycle club jacket exclude me from the statistics if I get murdered?. If a police record gets one excluded from the statistics, then by your logic Darrell Issa would simply illicit a shrug of the NRA shoulders if he gets shot.
I don’t NEED to explain anything. These are cold hard statistics.
jasperjava May 29th, 2014 at 1:38 am
John Tarter/Wayout: “These include gang bangers”
In other words, they’re BLACK, and their lives aren’t worth as much, as far as he’s concerned.
William May 25th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights. What about Chris’s right to live?
Those are the exact words of “this man”. If you think reporting what he publicly said in front of the media as exploitation, than you’re the one with the problem. Further, if your reaction to this tragedy is to try to divert the subject to knives, than you are one sick puppy.
Bob Waas Sr. May 25th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Strict gun control works! Just look at how successful it has been in Chicago.
fancypants May 25th, 2014 at 11:19 pm
ok bob Where does Chicago get the guns to kill ?
wanna bet its special delivery from other states to special people. And NO its not the crips and bloods
Bob Waas Sr. May 25th, 2014 at 11:40 pm
The point is, you can write all the laws you want, but the criminals don’t follow the law.
Are you suggesting that legal gun owners are selling their guns to those in Chicago who commit the crimes? Or, are you suggesting that everyone turn in their guns; even though the 2nd amendment protects their right to have them? If that was to happen, do you really think those who have obtained firearms illegally will turn them in?
NYC had a stop, ask, and frisk law that was successful in reducing the number of guns on the street and consequently, the number of shootings. Some of the same people who cry for more gun control complained that the program disproportionately affected minorities; who benefited the most from the program, because the minorities were the ones more likely to have a gun; and were more likely to use it against other minorities.
More laws are not needed, more enforcement and stricter penalties are. Here is what VP Biden said, “We need more gun laws because we don’t have time to enforce the ones we have.” You just can’t fix stupid! http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/18/biden-we-need-more-gun-laws-because-we-dont-have-time-to-enforce-the-ones-we-have/
fancypants May 26th, 2014 at 12:14 am
keep preaching it bobby but Chicago isn’t going to stop & frisk
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
So, if Chicago isn’t going to use “stop and frisk” how will they address gun violence in the city?
Perhaps they should put up more signs to let the criminals know that the city is a “no gun zone.”
fancypants May 26th, 2014 at 9:27 pm
stop & frisk didn’t last long in NYC and your the first mental midget who thinks it will work in Chicago.
and stop hanging around school yards in a trench coat & shorts ! your scaring the kids
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 10:03 pm
You consider 12 years of stop and frisk a short time? Based upon your literary skills I would guess you’re a product of public schooling where they are a little lax on the use of contractions.
fancypants May 26th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
considering the length of time NYC has existed in the usa I do thank my teachers at publik skooling for giving me the ability to tell you 12 yrs is a very short time.
I guess you were passed out in the gutter when judges say this is unconstitutional. try not to close more then one bar per night
Guest May 28th, 2014 at 6:57 pm
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The Lochnar May 28th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Bob Waas – Funny how you ignored Epiphany’s comment regarding Canada and their laws. Could it be that you can’t face the fact there is a place where you can have an AR-15 and have no mass shooting because of actual laws that work?
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
I didn’t know I was supposed to respond. It is like comparing apples and oranges. Canada has 10% the amount of population of the USA, even though the countries are nearly the same size in sq. miles. In fact, their population is even less than the state of California.
BTW, California shooter Elliot Rodger passed a background check for the purchase of the firearms he used.
The Lochnar May 28th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Shows what a crappy job US does on background checks. So does Canada have about 10% of the mass shooting that the USA has? Nope – like pretty much none existent. It’s not like comparing apples and oranges at all. Similar culture ideals. It’s the closest comparison and Canada has not banned guns like in the other countries that you all compare to.
Epiphany’s point was that there are laws that are proven to work and you get to have your guns. The other point is the USA doesn’t have such laws which is why there are all the problems.
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
I looked at crime stats for Montreal and the use of guns was minimal. However, the use of blunt instruments was way up as was the use of knives.
I mentioned above that Elliot Rodger passed the background check, as did the Boston Bombers.
The Lochnar May 29th, 2014 at 7:24 pm
Bob Waas Sr. – Blunt instruments and knives are a different issue. Are there no blunt instrument or knife attacks in the US?
Again the fact that those people passed background checks shows the system employed doesn’t work.
Yes – Government (aka the people) control of guns is important because it is obvious that many people (aka individuals) are not able to control them. Why is this simple concept so hard to understand?
Bob Waas Sr. May 29th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
What kind of background check would you institute since the one that is being used is not working?
I mentioned blunt instruments and knives from the Montreal statistics because when someone is going to attack another they will use whatever method is available; which proves the point that guns don’t kill, people do.
The Lochnar May 30th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
The kind Canada has instituted would be great.
Are there mass killings with blunt objects and knives? Canada’s gun murder rate is 1/3 of all murders while 3/4 of all murders in the US are as a result of guns. Yes, there will still be murders but I think the ease of using guns adds to the rate.
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 10:45 am
Actually, through some research I found that “stop and frisk” started in the 1990’s when Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, high-ranking police officials widely incorporated the “stop, question and frisk.”
Do you still consider that a short time?
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/real-history-stop-and-frisk-article-1.1088494#ixzz331LKCuYr
fancypants May 28th, 2014 at 8:31 pm
and how many times has S&F been challenged in court as being unconstitutional, care to drop your pal bill bratton a line to ask him or is that beyond your schedule ?
Epiphany Dh May 26th, 2014 at 2:57 am
Please don’t tell me about New York City, Bob as you are not a New Yorker and I am. My city was in the top 5 most dangerous cities to live in during the late 1970s and the 1980s. In the 1990s Mayor Giuliani signed into law some of the toughest gun control enforcement laws in the country and by the early 2000s our crime rate had dropped to what it was in 1963. Our crime rate is still low and it had nothing to do with stop and frisk and everything to do with a tough stand on the proliferation of guns. We are now one of the top safest cities to live in with a high population and many stores and restaurants even stay open 24/7 because people can go out late at night and they feel safe. The main problem was people buying guns in Virginia and smuggling them into NYC and selling them. We don’t have that problem anymore and I can walk the street day or night and I feel relaxed in what was once a city going down the drain and is now the jewel it should be.
John Tarter May 26th, 2014 at 7:55 am
Once again, in NYC it wasn’t the guns but the people. In upstate NY where guns are prevalent there was no where near the amount of killings as in NYC. Mayor Giuliani stopped liberal policies that allowed “quality of life” crimes to fester. The miscreants got locked up and gun crimes dropped – it’s that simple.
Epiphany Dh May 27th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
Yes, it is simple. I already stated the reasons and the “quality of life” issue and petty crimes had nothing to do with murder. It had everything to do with stopping the smuggling in of endless weapons. The people? We got the same people and many more now (our population is up by 200,000 to 8.4 million) and our crime rate is still way way down to what it was in the 60s. Gun control works.
John Tarter May 26th, 2014 at 7:57 am
And NYC always had a massive anti-gun law, it’s called the Sullivan Law that had been in effect since it was passed in 1911.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 11:01 am
I was born and raised in NY and left in 1978 because it was becoming a sewer. I agree Giuliani cleaned up NYC, and he did it with enforcement and penalties headed by a strong PC.
Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has frequently tied the
drop in shootings and homicides to the department’s aggressive tactics — including the controversial practice known as “stop-and-frisk,” in which police officers can stop, question and frisk anyone they consider suspicious, without a warrant.
“If anybody doesn’t think stop-and-frisk played a role here, they’re fooling themselves,” says Martin Golden, a former New
York police officer who now represents South Brooklyn in the state Senate.
“Stop-and-frisk gives you the ability, if you see something — you know, a bulge, you see somebody moving in a certain direction — you would be wrong not to jump on that individual, not to toss that individual.”
Epiphany Dh May 27th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
I’m sorry it bothers you that gun control works but I’m a witness to it doing so without stopping and frisking people and tough gun control laws that stopped the smuggling of endless weapons to my city. 10 years later, as I said, our crime rate was reduced by a huge percentage and is still low. And what was done happened before anyone ever came up with the term stop and frisk. You don’t want to deal with the reality of the situation and don’t have to as you live elsewhere. I live here and I know how we reduced crime and murder. It works and works beautifully.
Bob Waas Sr. May 27th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
You said a lot, but you didn’t really tell me anything. Exactly what actions were taken to reduce the number of weapons on the streets in NYC, aside from what Mayor Giuliani and the former police officer claimed, which you apparently disagree with.
Epiphany Dh May 27th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
I told you and another poster exactly what was done that helped bring down our murder & crime rate concerning guns being smuggled in from Virginia and other southern states. You can scroll up and read my other comment.
Bob Waas Sr. May 27th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
You said “some of the toughest gun control” and I thought, based on the comment by the former NYC policeman, Martin Golden, that it was “stop and frisk.” If not, what other methods were used?
Epiphany Dh May 27th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Bob, I’m sorry… but you very dense sometimes. I already answered you. Preventing the smuggling of guns from southern state gun shows etc meant less guns brought here to sell and use. I hope you can understand.
Everyone always talks about Australia and England and Japanese gun laws where they prohibit almost all guns except for basic hunting weapons. But! No one ever talks about Canada which is right next door if you recall where they are allowed to own AR-15s but! They require a restricted firearms license which entails courses, testing, qualification and extensive background checks. This takes a total of 6 to 10 weeks. After that you can purchase any of the weapons that are not restricted.
I don’t want to waste my time digging up what YOU should be digging up and confirming what I just told you. So go to the govt of Canada and check their firearms laws and regulations and tell me what’s wrong with their laws. They have the ability to legally own almost any reasonable firearm but you don’t see them having mass shootings and accidental deaths due to irresponsible gun owners because they have such strict laws. They have a system that WORKS!
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 10:39 am
So I don’t get accused of being dense, I did some digging and have concluded that NYC’s gun laws enacted under Giuliani are punitive to law abiding citizens, and don’t affect the criminals at all.
I also discovered that in the 1990’s Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, high-ranking police officials widely incorporated the “stop, question and frisk.” It was my earlier contention that this procedure was largely credited with the number of illegal guns removed from the streets; and thus the reduction in crime.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/real-history-stop-and-frisk-article-1.1088494#ixzz331LKCuYr
Time will tell if the restrictions on “stop and frisk” will affect crime in NYC, but according to a Post article it immediately went up after the judge declared it unconstitutional. http://nypost.com/2013/09/19/gunstats/
fancypants May 28th, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Are you suggesting that legal gun owners are selling their guns to those in Chicago who commit the crimes? Or, are you suggesting that everyone turn in their guns; even though the 2nd amendment protects their right to have them? If that was to happen, do you really think those who have obtained firearms illegally will turn them in?
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wow bob you really blew off what I said above didn’t you.
if you don’t want to reply on what I think is going on in Chicago just say so but don’t post about something I never said.
Bob Waas Sr. May 28th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
You’re the one that said people in Chicago was getting guns illegally. I asked if you were suggesting legal gun owners were selling them. Doesn’t sound like I blew off what you think.
Actually, it could be the Bloods and Crips providing the guns.
fancypants May 31st, 2014 at 1:30 am
Sure thing bob
all you need is a police report or an article to back this up or maybe the bloods and crips are like boogey men who are never seen.
Bob Waas Sr. May 31st, 2014 at 10:53 am
What are you talking about? I said law abiding gun owners are not the ones providing guns to those in Chicago who are committing all the shootings. You’re the one who sarcastically mentioned the bloods and crips as the source.
You are out of touch with the issue and have not provided any solutions.
fancypants June 1st, 2014 at 9:47 pm
its not the bloods and crips because Nobody including yourself has any proof but don’t let that stand in your path of lies and deception. Legal gun owners would not be stupid enough to sell registered guns to street murderers in large quantities but you also knew that as well.
Bob Waas Sr. June 1st, 2014 at 10:17 pm
You’re like a person who is in a coma and wakes up every few minutes to say something that makes no sense.
You’re the one who brought up the crips and bloods. I just played along with you because you failed to provide a sensible cause or a solution to the gun problem in Chicago. You actually sound like you’re defending the crips and bloods.
Here is your earlier post.
fancypants Bob Waas Sr. • 7 days ago
“ok bob Where does Chicago get the guns to kill ?
wanna bet its special delivery from other states to special people. And NO its not the crips and bloods”
fancypants June 1st, 2014 at 10:25 pm
lol you lost this argument days ago & ive been pounding coffin nails ever since
rest in peace
Bob Waas Sr. June 1st, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Dream on, you lost the argument when you when you went into defensive mode and didn’t contribute anything meaningful input to the conversation.
Obewon May 26th, 2014 at 2:03 am
Fancypants<3 Smacks down birther-Bob in a 2 sentence knockout! Lol!
Bob Wass Sr's pathological e coli stained reputation here on LL is lower than the deadliest STD's, Mad-cow disease, Ebola virus, Hanta & Hemorrhagic Fevers combined e.g.
"Strict gun control works!"<-True! Australian Handgun BAN law effects:
1. Firearm homicide rate fell by 59%
2. And the firearm suicide rate fell by 65%, in the decade after the handgun ban law was introduced,
3. KEY-POINT "without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides." That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law's effectiveness. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/ <-Study Linked debunking Bob's NRA BS that neglects to point out IL. ranks in the top 30 safest-states
A) Vs 2007 Deadliest Gun States #1-Louisiana Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 20.2, #2-Mississippi18.3/100K, 3rd Deadliest is Palin's Alaska 17.6/100K, #4 Alabama 17.5/100K, #5 Bundy's Nevada 16.1, #6-10 TIED Arizona 16/100K(TIE), #7-Arkansas (TIE) 15/100K- #8-Arkansas (TIE) 15/100K, #9-New Mexico (TIE) 15/100K & #10-Tennessee (TIE) 15/100K, #11 West Virginia 14.7/100K, etc http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/
B) "2011"-US Gun Deaths by State http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
Poolu Luisu May 26th, 2014 at 5:56 am
1. Australia is not the US.
2. Trying to ban guns will only create a black market from south of the border.
3. Talk to Shrimp Boy and recently busted hypocritical anti-gun advocate turned resently busted weapons trafficker Leland Yee
Obewon May 26th, 2014 at 6:03 am
US Gun buybacks are also proven to lower crime, gun deaths & suicides. That’s why all of the gun nut states with the most guns per capita -have the highest gun death rates. Guns are well proven 22-43 times more likely to kill friends & family than any intruder.
‘Mom’s Demand Action’ in “Everytown” because Gun nuts evading background checks up to 40% of the time are today’s dinosaurs ignorantly suffering from Darwinism. http://everytown.org/learn/
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 11:15 am
Gun buy back? Really? How many criminals think, “I have too many guns, I think I’ll sell a few.” BTW, the guns that are turned in are often junk and don’t work and can’t be pawned, so they turn them in.
It was recently said that “Turning in a gun at a gun buy back because you think that criminals have too many guns is like getting a vasectomy because you think the neighbor has too many children.”
We have been debating the gun issue for years and I’ve asked these questions many times; with no one able to provide an answer. “What is the plan to reduce the number of guns?” “How will you get them out of the hands of criminals?” “How do you get criminals to submit to background checks?”
John Tarter May 26th, 2014 at 7:50 am
So why is it in downstate cities in Illinois that people aren’t killing other people to the extent they are in Chicago? It’s certain people in Chicago that are the problem , not the guns. And maybe it’s the legacy of liberalism that is partly top blame for this mayhem too. Have you ever thought about that?
Fullerene May 26th, 2014 at 11:15 am
Or maybe it’s both. Maybe without the laws in Chicago, the rate of gun violence would be a lot higher.
fancypants May 26th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
So why is it in downstate cities in Illinois that people aren’t killing other people to the extent they are in Chicago?
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Now we are getting into something good here john and im very glad you asked this question. Who benefits the most when you spread guns and people ( non bloods and crips ) willing to use them ? Well…. we have the west gun manufacturing companies We have quite a few in the SOUTH and by god we all know how badly some unmentioned states HATE Chicago in general now don’t we john ? I will let YOU pick the hate group(s) who are more then willing to ****gel in**** with the general public to use these guns because I did the hard part unless of course you can prove these are foreign guns being used on the Chicago streets.
constitutionalist May 27th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
Let’s see..which party was the party of the KKK? And who actually wrote the Civil Rights Act? Don’t let the facts get in the way.
fancypants May 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
go ahead and change the subject Im done with my point.
Now its up to you and the rwnj to disprove what I said GL
The Lochnar May 28th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Gun laws do work if they are properly implemented and enforced. Everyone forgets about Canada where they have not banned everything short of a bolt action single shot hunting rifle as in other countries. In fact you can own an AR-15. So does Canada have this mass shooting problem? I wonder why not. Perhaps their laws do in fact work.
Teske May 25th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Its sad to me that this happened, but it is also sad that his father is blaming the NRA and Politicians for his son’s actions. The real problem here is the mental illness that this young man had. Focusing on the wrong problem will never fix it. The problem is mental illness, this needs to be addressed or these events will not stop happening.
Fullerene May 26th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Mental illness AND the obscene availability of high-powered guns to the mentally ill.
It’s not focusing on the wrong problem. It’s a matter of focusing on two separate, simultaneous problems. One does not negate the existence of the other.
How do we climb into everyone’s head and deal with their problems? Meanwhile, guns are everywhere, and over 30,000 people are taken out by them every year. Not a problem? Maybe not for you.
Teske May 26th, 2014 at 11:25 am
First of all it is already illegal for people with shown mental illness to own or carry a firearm in all states. There is no problem with owning firearms in fact is our rights as Americans. There are some who use them for bad purposes. But we can say the same about knifes and fists. should we also put more regulations on them? Its a matter of focusing on the correct problem so we can prevent these kind of thing from happening in the first place. Making stronger gun laws simply does not work and it never will. If they didn’t exist maybe the world would be a better place, but that’s not the world we live in. But if you want all people to start turning in their guns, might I ask that you start with Police Departments who kill more people with guns than any other group of people.
William May 26th, 2014 at 11:31 am
“First of all it is already illegal for people with shown mental illness to own or carry a firearm in all states”.
Well, apparently not. Stick around and we can talk about that pillar of mental stability, Ted Nugent.
Teske May 26th, 2014 at 11:46 am
Yes, it is illegal in all 50 states. The fact that Ted Nugent is a little eccentric at times does not mean he is mentally unstable or has any mental issues. If we look at almost every shooter since 1999 you can see that there is a pattern, all were ostracized from their peers, they had depressive and sociological issues that were not addressed. Most of these could have been addressed and potentially saving not only the people who were victims but also prevent the shooter from going along that dark path in the first place.
William May 26th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
“The fact that Ted Nugent is a little eccentric at times does not mean he is mentally unstable or has any mental issues”.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that a person who chooses to live in his own excrement for a week is not “eccentric”, but rather full blown crazy.
http://planet.infowars.com/activism/ted-nugent-was-no-angel-the-high-times-interview-admits-he-dodged-the-draft-did-meth
Further if you think waving a rifle around on stage and suggesting the President suck on the barrel is merely “acentric”, behavior, then I think this exchange of ideas has concluded.
Teske May 26th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Well using Infowars.com as your source just lost all credibility in my eyes. Also “Acentric” as you put it means, lacking a centromere, please get a dictionary. You speak of Ted Nugent like he represents everyone in favor of the right to own firearms. He is one man with one opinion. However with your reference to infowars as your source there is no way for us to have an intelligent debate on the subject matter.
William May 26th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Actually Ted Nugent DOES represent a large number of people who support firearms. He is on the NRA board of directors.
Don’t like the news source huh?
Well that doesn’t make it any less credible.
The interview did happen and I distinctly remember reading the original article.
Now years later Theodore was just “kidding” huh?
Between his interview with High Times, Creem, and his present day backpeddling, one must wonder if he really is a meth head draft dodger or just an insane pathological liar.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp
Now shall we talk about NRA board member Larry Craig?
I am so looking forward to your explanation for his upstanding example.
Teske May 26th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
So did either one of this guys hurt another human being? Did they go shoot up a school? Did they murder another person with their guns? Did they break any laws with their guns? It seems to me that you simply do not like Conservatives. You consistently try to avoid the real conversation and revert to calling people mentally ill whom you have never met and my guess is that you are not qualified to make that accretion.
Infowars.com has very little credibility in any journalistic sense. He is a huge conspiracy guy and it is good for theory and humor, however no it is not a credible source to get information.
Also who cares what Ted Nugent did when he was younger or now. It really has no consequence to the subject matter at hand. Even if you think Ted Nugent is a nut, he has no culpability in this man taking the life of others. His father wants a scapegoat a reason that doesn’t make his son a monster. Unfortunately his son is the one who made these decisions. Now is the time to find out why and stop putting blame on the Gun.
William May 26th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
So did either one of this guys hurt another human being? Did they go shoot up a school?
I did not mention or allude to any culpability on Nugents part at all. I was simply defending my contention that crazy people are legally allowed to have guns. Please try to stay on the subject.
I believe I was responding to your statement
“First of all it is already illegal for people with shown mental illness to own or carry a firearm in all states”.
It is quite apparent that this is not the case.
would you like a THIRD source regarding Theodore’s interview?
Or perhaps you would like to simply maintain the interview never happened?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/dee-snider-reminds-republicans-ted-nugent-dodged-vietnam-draft_n_2544864.html
constitutionalist May 27th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Credible?
jasperjava May 28th, 2014 at 2:11 am
“His father wants a scapegoat a reason that doesn’t make his son a
monster. Unfortunately his son is the one who made these decisions.”
Chris Martinez was a monster because he chose to buy a sandwich in a deli? What have you got against sandwiches? You think his choice of mustard on his pastrami was evil?
I suppose it’s Chris Martinez evil, wicked choice to stand there as a hail of bullets innocently tore into his flesh. If Martinez had gone to Chick-fil-A, this wouldn’t have happened.
constitutionalist May 27th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Snopes as a reference is equally tainted.
William May 27th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
I completely understand the mentality that would defend a pedophile, convicted poacher and draft dodger, as long as said person hates the president. By all means continue to champion the likes of Nugent, Craig, Bundy and Zimmerman.
Bob Waas Sr. May 26th, 2014 at 11:50 am
There are not 30,000 gun related homicides every year. More like 8,000. I think you are confusing it with the 10 day average for abortions in America, which averages 3,300 per day.