Heritage Foundation Panel On Benghazi Turns Ugly As It Mocks Muslim Woman
The Heritage Foundation hosted a panel of conservatives to talk about–what else–Benghazi! When an American Muslim respectfully asked a question the panel began mocking her. Saba Ahmed, a law student at American University, wanted to know why, with more than 1.8 billion followers of Islam worldwide and 8-million plus in the U.S. more were not represented at this forum.
Panelist Brigitte Gabriel of a group called ACT! for America pounced. She said “180 million to 300 million” Muslims are “dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization.” She told Ahmed that the “peaceful majority were irrelevant” in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and she drew a Hitler comparison: “Most Germans were peaceful, yet the Nazis drove the agenda and as a result, 60 million died.”
“Are you an American?” Gabriel demanded of Ahmed, after accusing her of taking “the limelight” and before informing her that her “political correctness” belongs “in the garbage.”
And when Gabriel demanded of Ahmed an answer as to why more Muslims were not speaking out, the nearly 150 conservatives in the room gave Gabriel a standing ovation.
The panel’s moderator, conservative radio host Chris Plante, grinned and joined in the assault. “Can you tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?” he demanded of Ahmed.
“Yeah,” audience members taunted, “yeah.”…
Gabriel dismissed as “irrelevant” the “2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States [when] it took 19 hijackers — 19 radicals — to bring America down.” She mocked Ahmed’s “point about peaceful, moderate Muslims” by making quotation marks with her fingers when she said the word peaceful.
Shades June 17th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Their Jesus must be so proud (sniff).
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:31 am
Our “Jesus” is proud of US. Probably as proud as that murdering Muslim pedophile (he took wives as young as nine from poor families who sold them to him) that the radical Muslim terrorists quote to justify their rape, murder and pillaging…
mea_mark June 19th, 2014 at 10:45 am
Your trolling is out of control and not welcome here.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 11:16 am
All that applies to Christians at the time as well.
Your “our voodoo good, their voodoo bad” puts you in the same place with those you love to hate.
Shades June 19th, 2014 at 11:41 am
Yawn.
KarenJ June 17th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Brigitte Gabriel worked herself into a fine hysterical lather in her response to Saba Ahmed. Would she have ranted so emotionally if she was in a neutral forum? I doubt it.
You’d think she had some personal agenda. Or maybe she was just responding the way Alex Jones does — when the lights are up and the cameras are running, the performance starts.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:24 am
Wasn’t that the purpose of the Muslim heckler… to disrupt the panel in front of the media in order to obscure the horrors of the radical Muslim terrorists and denigrate anyone who speaks out against Muslim terrorists and those who refuse to oppose them?
J.R. June 17th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Are you kidding? Mock her? No its uust that when you educate a liberal about something they do not agree, they say you are mean. You tell with her comments at the end that she was not upset. What a crock of an article
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
No its uust thatwhen you educate a liberal about something they do not agree
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Get back to us when that actually happens.
Lawrence Dalton June 17th, 2014 at 7:45 pm
I don’t think a liberal can be “educated” to recognize when they are mistaken therefore I don’t think anyone can provide you the odd truth that you request.
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 8:09 pm
They say the same thing about you.
Why don’t you come up with some original material?
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 10:55 am
Thank you for stepping right up as prime example of a liberal.
Blackbriar June 17th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
J.R. – Do you have an actual point or ‘Argument on the Merits’?
Merely spouting off with exaggerations and generalities typical of 1000 previous comments really do not make a specific Point.
But See: The Argument used against all Japanese Americans during WWII (you will hear this identical argument during this ‘Panel’).
See Also: The US Constitution…
bobby1122 June 17th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
How many times do you need to see the Muslim way?? Mass murders, ” honor killings”, Floggings- convert or die and beheadings– http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/06/11/heads-are-rolling-tikrit-falls-next-stop-samarra-al-qaeda-isis-on-the-road-to-bagdad/
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
So why did we always support radical Islam as hedge against secular “socialistic” societies?
Pakistan over India.
We supported the Muslim Brotherhood because Nasser was a “socialist”
who threatened to nationalize of the Suez Canal.
Not to mention supporting the Wahhabis in Saudi.
“In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown
too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.”
As far back as the 1950s, Pakistani Saadat Hasan Manto wrote “Letters to Uncle Sam”.
“21 February 1954
Dear Uncle,
I wrote to you only a few days ago and here I am writing again. My admiration and respect for you are going up at about the same rate as your progress towards a decision to grant military aid to Pakistan. I tell you I feel like writing a letter a day to you.
Regardless of India and the fuss it is making, you must sign a military pact with Pakistan. because you are seriously concerned about the stability of the world’s largest Islamic state since our mullah is the best antidote to Russian communism. Once military aid starts flowing, the first people you should arm are these mullahs. They would also need American-made rosaries and prayer mats.
Cutthroat razors and scissors should be top of the list, as well as American hair color lotions. That should keep these fellows happy and in business.
If this gang of mullahs is armed in the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our country will have to shut shop. I can visualize the mullahs, their hair trimmed with American scissors and their pajamas stitched by American machines in strict conformity with the Sharia.
Their prayer mats would be American, and everyone will then become your camp follower, owing allegiance to you and none else.”
There seems to be a pattern of supporting radicals because they seem more friendly to business, then bemoaning their power, screaming
“How did THIS happen? and How did these people get so radical??!!”
Blackbriar June 17th, 2014 at 7:37 pm
Wow, is that your best? Many 12 year olds make that identical comment over and over on about 100 various websites daily to justify their core bias
(but they can be exuded for never having read the US Constitution …)
Blackbriar June 17th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Panel Makes Same ‘Argument’ Used Against Japanese Americans During WWII:
NOTE that this ‘Panel’ (a Panel including several individuals considered “fringe” and/or “birthers” and one who is listed on the Website of the Southern Poverty Law Center) collectively made as their Core Argument…
An Argument IDENTICAL to the Argument made by white Americans oppressing All Japanese Americans during WWII (including the Argument for full-blown discrimination, bigotry, bias and, of course, Internment Camps…)
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:21 am
I don’t see any Muslim interment camps in the US today… in fact… I have never seen any nor have I heard any conservative or conservative group make the same arguments against today’s American Muslims as Democrats in the 1940’s made in justification of the Japanese interment camps our Democrat controlled government instituted. If these arguments really exist, please provide links to both the current arguments against Muslims and the past arguments against the Japanese along with the locations of those interment camps.
Lawrence Dalton June 17th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
The panel presented historical facts that the Muslim heckler objected to. The panel also proved the heckler did not have any truthful or substantive comments to make about the subject matter. How about any of you supporters of “peaceful Muslims” please name the Muslims and Muslims organizations who speak out and oppose Muslim terrorism, Muslim terrorists, barbaric Shia law that denigrates women to chattel and requires the murder of all non-Muslims, etc., and where those “millions of voices” can be heard?
hhmm,,, it has been decades and We non-Muslims are still waiting….
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
The panel presented cherry picked facts that are true of the few as though they applied to all, as ALL hate mongers of all ilks do.
As for where those “millions of voices” can be heard?
You are still waiting because you don’t want to hear.
Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood,
Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti
Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad
Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid
Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour,
President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars
and politicians: ”The undersigned, leaders of Islamic
movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the
United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on
innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in
the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic
norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of
attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of
burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).” MSANews,
September 14, 2001,
Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi, Qatar; Tariq Bishri, Egypt;
Muhammad S. Awwa, Egypt; Fahmi Huwaydi, Egypt; Haytham Khayyat, Syria; Shaykh
Taha Jabir al-Alwani, U.S.: ”All Muslims ought to be united against
all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of
non-combatants without a justifiable reason. Islam has declared the spilling of
blood and the destruction of property as absolute prohibitions until the Day of
Judgment. … [It is] necessary to apprehend the true perpetrators of these
crimes, as well as those who aid and abet them through incitement, financing or
other support. They must be brought to justice in an impartial court of law and
[punished] appropriately. … [It is] a duty of Muslims to participate in this
effort with all possible means.” Statement of September 27, 2001.
The Washington Post, October 11, 2001,
Shaykh Muhammed Sayyid al-Tantawi, imam of al-Azhar
mosque in Cairo, Egypt: ”Attacking innocent people is not
courageous, it is stupid and will be punished on the day of judgement. … It’s
not courageous to attack innocent children, women and civilians. It is
courageous to protect freedom, it is courageous to defend oneself and not to
attack.” Agence France Presse, September 14, 2001
Abdel-Mo’tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research
Academy, Cairo, Egypt: ”There is no terrorism or a threat to
civilians in jihad [religious struggle].” Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 20
– 26 September 2001,
Arabia: ”Firstly: the recent
developments in the United States including hijacking planes, terrorizing
innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot
be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts.
Secondly: any Muslim who is aware of the teachings of his religion and who
adheres to the directives of the Holy Qur’an and the sunnah (the teachings of
the Prophet Muhammad) will never involve himself in such acts, because they
will invoke the anger of God Almighty and lead to harm and corruption on
earth.” Statement of September 15, 2001,
‘Abdulaziz bin ‘Abdallah Al-Ashaykh, chief mufti of
Saudi Arabia: ”You must know Islam’s firm position against
all these terrible crimes. The world must know that Islam is a religion of
peace and mercy and goodness; it is a religion of justice and guidance…Islam
has forbidden violence in all its forms. It forbids the hijacking airplanes,
ships and other means of transport, and it forbids all acts that undermine the
security of the innocent.” Hajj sermon of February 2, 2004,
in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials Condemning Extremism and
Promoting Moderation,” May 2004,
Shaikh Saleh Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme
Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia: ”As a human community we
must be vigilant and careful to oppose these pernicious and shameless evils,
which are not justified by any sane logic, nor by the religion of Islam.” Statement
of September 14, 2001, in “Public Statements by Senior Saudi Officials
Condemning Extremism and Promoting Moderation,” May 2004,
Shaikh Saleh Al-Luheidan, Chairman of the Supreme
Judicial Council, Saudi Arabia: ”And I repeat once again:
that this act that the United states was afflicted with, with this vulgarity
and barbarism, and which is even more barbaric than terrorist acts, I say that
these acts are from the depths of depravity and the worst of evils.” Televised
statement of September 2001, in Muhammad ibn Hussin Al-Qahtani, editor, The
Position of Saudi Muslim Scholars Regarding Terrorism in the Name of Islam
(Saudi Arabia, 2004), pages 27-28.
Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abdallah al-Sabil, member of the
Council of Senior Religious Scholars, Saudi Arabia: ”Any
attack on innocent people is unlawful and contrary to shari’a (Islamic law).
… Muslims must safeguard the lives, honor and property of Christians and
Jews. Attacking them contradicts shari’a.” Agence France Presse,
December 4, 2001
Council of Saudi ‘Ulama, fatwa of February 2003: ”What
is happening in some countries from the shedding of the innocent blood and the
bombing of buildings and ships and the destruction of public and private
installations is a criminal act against Islam. … Those who carry out such
acts have the deviant beliefs and misleading ideologies and are responsible for
the crime. Islam and Muslims should not be held responsible for such
actions.” The Dawn newspaper, Karachi, Pakistan, February 8,
2003
Want more?
JCPinCompton June 17th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
With all due respect, those letters of condolence and protest over the actions of terrorists are a bit dated. I guess you, too, are having a difficult time naming the Rev. Al Sharpton of the Muslim peace movement.
OldLefty June 18th, 2014 at 5:38 am
In other words, you didn’t realize that there WAS a huge outpouring of condemnation because it didn’t fit into the breathless main stream media, “WHERE ALL ALL THE MODERATES???” narrative.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:15 am
No, I think he means anyone can write a letter of apology they don’t mean and recall a single, outdated apology as their justification for silence on all future bad acts and terrorism… obama does it all the time.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 10:30 am
anyone can write a letter of apology they don’t mean and recall a
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So can you and so does the right.
Just don’t say no one has condemned violence, while you support policies that actually promote it.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Unlike the positions you support in your posts, I don’t support, condone nor promote any American policy to promote terrorism of any kind and that includes your party favorite, radical Muslim terrorists.
JCPinCompton June 23rd, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Lawrence, you are correct in restating what I meant. Thank you for trying to clarify. Obviously, it didn’t help. OldLefty seems to have all the answers. God bless.
JCPinCompton June 20th, 2014 at 10:06 am
So, who is the Al Sharpton of the Muslim peace movement again?
Just give us the name, not a long list of people who condemned 9/11 back in the day.
You won’t be able to do this, so I await your long response designed to deflect from the fact that the real answer is NOBODY.
arc99 June 20th, 2014 at 10:43 am
I don’t typically engage with religious bigots.
But your ignorance is insufferable. CAIR has been an ongoing critic of terrorist violence. Of course, you will come up with some reason to continue hating Muslims or dismissing the efforts of CAIR. Bigots always justify themselves. . Regardless of your personal opinions, Muslims are protected by the first amendment and article 6 just like the rest of us.
So revel in your bigotry to your heart’s content, and before you whine about name-calling, review everyone of your posts and replace the word Muslim with Jew. It is not name-calling when the accusation is accurate.
Then educate yourself.
http://www.cair.com/press-center/american-muslim-news/12086-young-muslims-rally-on-boston-common-to-show-others-islam-urges-peace.html
Young Muslims Rally on Boston Common to Show Others Islam Urges Peace
JCPinCompton June 23rd, 2014 at 9:17 pm
Not to worry, arc99. I am not a religious bigot. Challenging a point does not a bigot make…or does it? I’m not sure how you determined that I hate Muslims. I suspect you replied to the wrong person. If not, then the ignorance is all yours.
OldLefty June 20th, 2014 at 11:00 am
So, who is the Al Sharpton of the Muslim peace movement again?
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What is an Al Sharpton of Muslim peace movement???
Must there be one??
How about, Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, Khalifatul, Masih V, Shirin Ebadi, Muhammad Yunus, Dr. Laila Bugaighis, Asra Nomani, Mohammed Kilyam, Mohammed Idris…
Also, see;
Young
Muslim Activists Launch Global Peace Movement
http://www.voanews.com/content/a-13-2009-02-11-voa16-68714812/409702.html
For starters.
Just because you don’t see it on the TEE vee doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
And by the way, the truncated list was in response to; “Where are the voices to condemn violence?”
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 11:09 am
Gee, funny how all those hollow statements are from leaders and organizations that provided millions of dollars of support and protect radical Muslim terrorists in their homelands….
I notice you are still trying to minimize the overwhelming facts that radical Muslim terrorists are supported by silent Muslims both here and in Muslim dominated countries.
Still waiting on all those Muslims openly opposedto Shria Law, enslavement of women and extermination of all non-believers….
OldLefty June 18th, 2014 at 11:22 am
Gee, funny how all those hollow statements are from leaders and organizations that provided millions of dollars of support and protect radical Muslim terrorists in their homelands….
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1) You have yet to prove that.
2) “provided millions of dollars of support and protect radical Muslim terrorists”…
So did we for decades.
I notice that YOU are still trying to minimize our long role in supporting radical Islam.
As for’ “Still waiting on all those Muslims openly opposed to Shria Law, enslavement of women and extermination of all non-believers….
Even right now; Are YOU willing to oppose Christian Sharia?
Oklahoma GOP candidate suggests it’s OK to stone gay people to death.
Bryan Fischer of American Family Association said;
Fischer replied that Muslims “rightly accuse the United States of corrupting the
morality of the entire world” because we allow the production and sale of
pornography here.
“It’s just embarrassing, it’s humiliating that we have given them that” argument, Fischer
declared. “When they go out and say the United States is the Great Satan because of all the pornography it produces, how do you argue against that because they are right. That is the work of Satan; we’re producing it, we’re distributing it all over around world, they have every right to complain about that”.
I repeat, WE nurtured this, and we don’t support the moderate Muslims who oppose it.
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Thanks for admitting that Our leftist Democratic Congress and Democratic presidents for the past several decades of their control over Our federal government have supported and promoted radical Muslim terrorism. As an “OldLefty” you must be very, very proud of what your party had done….
OldLefty June 18th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
“Our leftist Democratic Congress”???
That’s funny.
But then you guys called Eisenhower a communist, and today’s Democrats are to the right of Ike.
Who supported radical Islam?
Reagan, Nixon, the Bushs.
Remember, Bush’s buddies, Shafiq bin Ladin ,Salem bin Ladin, , James Bath and Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz, Sami Al-Arian, Abdullah Shallah, and Hassan Turabi???
Betch don’t.
Gulbuddin Hekmatyar?
In the late 1980s, Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown
too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.”
Saadat Hasan Manto’s “Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s???
Oh, never mind.
Why let facts get in the way?
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
You really have a difficult time understanding history and historical facts. Why not address obama’s radical Muslim ties? His dedication to supporting the Muslim Brotherhood such as his gift of millions of federal dollars to his buddy MB President Morsi? Or, what about his appointment of Muslims to his staff that downplay radical Muslim terrorism as nothing more than shoplifting, (current CIA director John Brennan who refused to take his oath of office on the Christian Bible or Quoran in stead demanding a pre-Bill of Rights draft of the US Constitution that recognized women as Chattel and condoned slavery). Then there are the numerouiis occasions obama has publicly admitted his Muslim religion such as his June 2009 speech at Cairo University….
OldLefty June 18th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Why not address obama’s radical Muslim ties
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You need to get out of the echo chamber.
1) Obama doesn’t have radical Muslim ties. If ANYONE does it’s BushCheney.
I know your ” Conservative Entertainment Complex” tells you EXACTLY what you want to hear, but that is why it is just a racket.
2) Obama gave some support to a duly elected government, who has since been voted out of office.
3) As for; “appointment of Muslims to his staff”..
So what? Is there NOW a religious test?
You sound more like the radical Muslims than anything the Founders who recognize.
4) Brennan told the president that he made the request to the archives because he wanted to reaffirm his commitment to the rule of law as he took the oath of office as director of the CIA,” Earnest elaborate (Why, then, did he move up the ranks under Bush?)
Meanwhile; Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath
in 1901, and John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law, with the intention
that he was swearing on the constitution.
You don’t seem to really like the founding principles very much, do you?
5) Obama never said he was a Muslim.
But those are great stories for the suckers.
And by the way, do you know how many Muslims India has had?
Followed by Hindus then Muslims again?
So what???
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
1. Your attacks on Bush/Cheney do not justify obama’s close ties to radical Muslim terrorist organizations or home grown terrorists like WIlliam Ayers.
2. He gave financial support to the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in the region who are still active terrorists in the region.
3. We are at war with Muslim terrorists. In no time in Our history until obama has any American President appointed staff and department leadership roles to members of the groups America was at war with. Why do you think we never appointed any Nazi’s to high office during WWII or Communists during the Cold War?
4. Brennan didn’t disavow his Christian faith and convert to Muslim under Bush, He did so under the Clinton regime where he also received his rapid advancement. During the Bush administration, Brennan was shifted from department to department until providing false terrorism information to President that ultimately resulted in Brennan’s departure from government employment in shame. Obama brought him back knowing all the baggage he carried….
The Bill of Rights was added to the Constitutioin in 1791. John Q. Adams sworn his oath of office on the basis that the book federal was representative of the entire Constitution not just a limited portion thereof. When Teddy Roosevelt took his first oath of office after the Death of McKinley, he took the oath before a Federal Judge in a private residence, The Wilcox House using the Wilcox family bible for the oath. In his 1905 Inauguration the Chief Justice sworn Roosevelt into office using the same bible Roosevelt used for his swearing in as governor of NY in 1898.
5. Not true. The obama loyalists have never accepted the fact that when his mother sent him to Hawaii under an Indonesian passport as a Muslim as confirmed by obama and admitted to by obama nor any other public admission by obama as to his Muslim roots…
What has India got to do with Benghazi, obama’s Muslim and terrorists connections or the murders of 4 Americans in the Benghazi American Embassy that obama let happen then blamed an innocent man’s unknown til then video as the cause instead of the Al Quada terrorist group who plammed and executed the terrorist attack?
5.
William June 19th, 2014 at 1:54 am
Whenever a right wing wacko bigot is losing an argument he will pull Rev Wright or Bill Ayers out of his ass. But just imagine a president paling around with terrorists.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 7:56 am
Whenever a liberal recognizes they are losing the debate, they resort to personal attacks denigrating their opposition and fabricating false information and claiming it is fact.
The correct caption taken from that Political Inquirer is ” “These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s founding fathers.” — Ronald Regan while introducing the Mujahideen leaders to media on the White house lawns (1985).”
Neither the Taliban nor Al Quaida existed in 1985.
The Taliban emerged in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar around September 1994. Due to the sudden initiation of the civil war, working government departments, police units or a system of justice and accountability for the newly created Islamic State of Afghanistan did not have time to form.
Al-Qaeda grew out of the Services Office, a clearinghouse for the international Muslim brigade opposed to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In the 1980s, the Services Office–run by bin Laden and the Palestinian religious scholar Abdullah Azzam–recruited, trained, and financed thousands of foreign mujahadeen, or holy warriors, from more than fifty countries. Bin Laden wanted these fighters to continue the “holy war” beyond Afghanistan. He formed al-Qaeda around 1988.
http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/al-qaeda-k-al-qaida-al-qaida/p9126
For your information, Bin Laden was not present at that meeting and neither the Taliban or Al Qaeda existed at that time.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 7:32 am
Do you have anything besides Pavlovian chestnuts that are nothing but phony conspiracy theories and lies marketed to suckers?
The strategy of what even William Kristol calls the “racket” is to hope that the audience likes what they hear and will never bother to fact check.
1. [obama’s close ties to radical
Muslim terrorist organizations or home grown…]
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Except that is untrue, and the point is that BUSH had ACTUAL ties to radical Muslim terrorist organizations, (and you didn’t care OR you didn’t know), while Obama’s ties to Ayres were less than those of the named Republican. (and you didn’t care OR you didn’t know).
2. [He gave financial support to the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood]
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That was a duly elected government at the time.
The US covertly supported the Muslim Brotherhood since Nasser as part of an “anti-communist” agenda.
The Eisenhower administration figured that religion was a force that US could make use of—the Soviet Union was atheist, while the United States supported religious freedom. They backed
“The Honorable Saeed Ramahdan, Delegate of the Muslim Brothers.”, who was the son-in-law of the Brotherhood’s founder and at the time widely described as the group’s “foreign minister.” (He was also the father of the controversial Swiss scholar of Islam, Tariq Ramadan.), and even invited him to the White House, (and you didn’t care OR you didn’t know).
Don’t forget, the Muslim Brotherhood was furious when, Obama refused to call the overthrow of Morsi a coup, and kept aid flowing.
Meanwhile, you had no problem backing the brutal dictator, Mubarak.
3 [We are at war with Muslim terrorists]
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We are at war with Muslim terrorists, not Muslims.
[Why do you think we never appointed any Nazi’s to high office during WWII or Communists during the Cold War?]
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You are falsely conflating Muslims with Muslim terrorists.
The logic is as flawed as conflating German Americans with Nazis or Russian/Hungarian/Czech/Lithuanian Americans with communists and purging them from any office.
That is what they do in totalitarian states.
Plus, Arif Alikhan was a top prosecutor at the U.S. Department of Justice from 1997 to 2006. During the administration of President George W. Bush, he served as senior counsel and executive director of the Intellectual Property Task Force. Alikhan was described by the Los Angeles Times as “a Muslim born to Pakistani and Indian parents,” and he has supported Muslim American causes, as was Shail Khan a Muslim in the Bush administration. (and you didn’t care OR you didn’t know).
Perhaps you want to purge Keith Ellison from Congress, (just like the Nazis and the Communists did).
4.[ Brennan didn’t disavow his Christian faith and convert to Muslim under Bush]
Brennan didn’t disavow his Christian faith and convert to Islam at all.
That comes from the same conspiracy ilk that claims the moon landing didn’t happen and that Reagan/Nixon and Steven King murdered John Lennon.
Funny, that Obama is a much better Christian than his critics.
5. Brennan and the Bible?
Are you kidding????
Do those who were sworn in on Bible EVER remotely honor it??
Bill Of Rights???
Again, are you kidding???
Are you saying that Alberto R. Gonzales and Bush’s chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr were sworn in on the Bible, instead of the Bill of Rights just so that they could gut theBill of Rights….. honorably??
Don’t be silly.
5) Obama never said he was a Muslim.
(and you didn’t care OR you didn’t know).
Indonesian passport? This is the stuff of the wacko conspiracy world.
If you have actual evidence, from a credible source, have at it.
Again, Obama has more respect for and more in common with the Founders and the founding principles than his right wing critics.
6. [What has India got to do with Benghazi?]
I didn’t say it had anything to do with Benghazi. I said India,(the world’s largest secular democracy), has had Muslim leaders and Hindu leaders that did not result in a Muslim takeover.
I will also add that throughout the cold war, we supported radical Islam, against secular democracy in India, and THAT didn’t work out so well.
I would ALSO add that if you were not as outraged by the deaths of 258 Americans and the horrific death of CIA station chief Bill Buckley in Beirut, after Reagan was warned multiple times, we don’t need to hear from you about Obama and Benghazi.
This is the inverse proportionality between the actual events, and the phony outrage from the right.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 8:07 am
Another liberal who uses personal attacks and denigrating personal attacks against those whose posts expose the misrepresentations and falsehoods the liberals rely upon.
Unlike your retorts, my information was fact checked and stands as factual. Why you want to group radical Muslim terrorists with the rest of the peaceful Muslim faith and defend than in beyond my comprehension. Just as the alleged peace loving American Muslims who refuse to oppose or condemn the radical Muslim terrorists corrupting their religion, as the heckler did before this panel.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 8:19 am
[Another liberal who uses personal attacks and denigrating personal attacks against those whose posts expose the misrepresentations and falsehoods the liberals rely upon.]
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That is SO funny.
1) That is EXACTLY what YOU are doing.
Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.
2) You have not exposed ANYTHING except, perhaps your reliance upon wacko sources that cater to the sufferers of Obama Derangement Syndrome.
You don’t even cite sources, and if one DOES pay you the courtesy of googling them, they come from only the most disreputable sources and have been thoroughly debunked.
I think you just wish it to be so, so very much.
3)[ Why you want to group radical Muslim terrorists with the rest of the peaceful Muslim faith and defend than in beyond my comprehension.]
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That is EXACTLY what YOU are doing and EXACTLY what Barack Obama is countering.
You seem to think that YOU have the right to define “peace loving American Muslims” as those who agree with YOU.
That is EXACTLY what the radicals do.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:02 am
Thank you for proving my points once again and being the fine example of the liberals I described.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 10:27 am
It’s quite mutual.
I’m still waiting for you to come up with a credible source.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:44 am
As an “oldleftie” you know very well that no matter how factually credible and reliable my reference sources are, old lefties and liberals will never admit it because to do so destroys their own opinions and arguments.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 11:03 am
As an “oldleftie” you know very well that no matter how factually credible and reliable my reference …..
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In other words, you don’t have any.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:12 am
Thank you for continuing to prove my points for me and remain the line example of a liberal I described.
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Repeat;
It’s quite mutual.
I’m still waiting for you to come up with a credible source.
mea_mark June 19th, 2014 at 11:02 am
It’s pointless to wait any longer. The trolling has ended.
William June 17th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
How about any of you supporters of “peaceful Muslims” please name the Muslims and Muslims organizations who speak out and oppose Muslim terrorism…
OK Doofus, how about these guys?
I’ll wait for your response.
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 11:02 am
Great, you found three Muslim American citizens who volunteered to fight for Their country against terrorism as opposed to the how many millions who give only hollow statements against radical Muslim terrorists and their crimes against humanity.
William June 18th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Great, you found three Muslim American citizens who volunteered to fight for Their country
Uh no cupcake there are more, lots more.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/12/07/rep-king-muslim-american-military-statistics
How about you?
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
How about me? I was active duty in the USMC during the late sixties leaving active duty with a few medals and an Honorable discharge. You are welcome.
As for your linked article, here is a direct quote regarding Muslim American volunteers sine 9/11…
“Of course, while we should honor the thousands of Muslim Americans who have served honorably – and the 14 who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country – that doesn’t mean we can ignore the very real threat of homegrown terror in the military. As Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan and Army Pvt. Naser Abdo have shown, radicalization puts all of our troops at risk – including Muslim American service members. According to the committee report, “The Committee’s Majority Staff has reason to believe that the actual number of radicalized troops is far more than publicly realized or acknowledged.”
http://www.commentarymagazine….
William June 19th, 2014 at 1:50 am
I served twenty years six months and thirteen days, and I don’t need thanks. It’s so sad that you have degenerated into the self imposed prison and fear that comes with being afraid of a religion.
Your fear and ignorance is only exceeded by your inability to grasp the concept of religious freedom that are the hallmark of America. Fortunately you and your cowardly ilk are a disappearing breed, and will not be missed.
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 7:41 am
I see your closed mind prevents you from recognizing the difference between people with simply a different religion and faith in God and the radical zealots who use religion as an excuse to rape, murder and enslave others.
A rational person recognizes those who are a threat to others and stands up against them. Again, this panel was interrupted by a radical Muslim activist who refuses to oppose the blood thirsty terrorists who corrupt the Muslim religion to gain idiots like her who will support them. This Muslim heckler did not want the panel to discuss the radical Muslim terrorists who mercilessly attacked and murdered innocent Americans in Benghazi and gathered a gaggle of fools to listen and support her nonsense rather than discuss the Muslim terrorists who attacked US.
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Did you know that since 2003 over 2.5 million non-Muslim Americans have volunteered and fought in the War on Terror overseas while roughly 6,600 non-Muslim Americans have given their all as opposed to only 14 Muslim volunteers out of the 4,600 Muslim volunteers who had the courage and loyalty to the United States and our Constitution to actually stand up and oppose Muslim terrorism?
William June 17th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
How about any of you supporters of “peaceful Muslims” please name the Muslims and Muslims organizations who speak out and oppose Muslim terrorism,
http://www.muslimsforpeace.org/
http://american-peace.org/?cat=8
https://www.facebook.com/muslims4peace
http://muslimvillage.com/2013/01/23/34091/muslims-for-peace/
http://amuslimvoice.org/body_index.html
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 11:28 am
I gather you just pulled an internet search “Muslims and Peace” or something similar because if you had read the content of those links a key fact that becomes very clear is that each one adamantly opposes the US using military action or force to fight radical Muslim Terrorists anywhere in the world. They support America being “passive” against radical Muslim terrorism while promoting funding “Muslim organizations” instead….
jasperjava June 18th, 2014 at 1:17 am
“requires the murder of all non-Muslims”
Where do you get this B.S. that Sharia law “requires the murder of all non-Muslims”?
There are Christian Arab communities that have been living in ALL Muslim countries of the Middle-East for CENTURIES. If there was such a thing as a “requirement” to kill non-Muslims, how do you suppose these communities survived? In Iraq, it was only after Dubya’s foolishly unprepared invasion that the Christian community became threatened.
The small Jewish community in Iran has a guaranteed seat in its Parliament. Wouldn’t it be easy to murder this Jewish MP if there was a “requirement” to do so? A recent popular miniseries celebrated the role that the Iranian embassy in Paris had to save Jews during World War II. If there was a “requirement” to kill all non-Muslims, why did the Iranians save Jewish French citizens from the Nazis?
Like all hateful propaganda, this idea of yours is just a product of ignorance and bigotry.
Lawrence Dalton June 18th, 2014 at 11:39 am
I got it from the tens of thousands of public statements made by radical Muslim terrorists exclaiming to the world why they are beheading Americans, Christians, and and anyone else who they assume opposes Sharia law.
Care to address why Muslim women are so frequently stoned to death for simply wanting to get and education, vote in public elections, marry the man they love instead of the unknown man their father sold them to, etc., Honor killings of women are common in not just Muslim countries but even Muslim communities here in the United States and yet, you want the non-Muslim world to believe that Sharia Law does not support this when Muslim countries allow such stoning, beheading, beating and murders?
JCPinCompton June 17th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
The question asked was provocative, and the answer did not disappoint. Perhaps it was a little aggressive, but the basic point was exactly correct. The focus of the panel discussion was about addressing the controversy surrounding the attacks in Benghazi, the government’s politically motivated narrative (and some would say cover up to minimize its shortcomings and exaggerations during the campaign), what could have been done (if anything) and determining who, if anyone, should be held accountable. The fact that there were no Muslims on the panel was irrelevant, a red herring. And by the way, the reason any of this continues to happen is because the administration’s transparency once again has been conspicuous by its absence.
The use of the word ‘mock’ in reference to the strong response is just inaccurate. A liberal would never use such a word to describe outright hate speech used by the Left against “teabaggers” (outright mockery) or anybody whose political point of view is anywhere to the right of outright socialism. There was no disrespect or ridicule in the response to the question by the law student.
I know you have to report what you can find to demonstrate how dumb or evil or both conservatives are, but if you actually listen to the substance of the response, you would be hard pressed to argue against it. The rant was zipped tight when the law student couldn’t identify the leader of the Muslim peace movement, but I did like her response.
By the way, was this the best you could find from the panel discussion, especially since you essentially believe the panelists are loons and the discussion was mere lunacy? I won’t hold my breath for a response to that.
Radiance Foundation June 18th, 2014 at 9:33 am
The response was thoughtful, statistical, and spoken by someone (Brigitte Gabriel) who lived through the atrocities of the Lebanese civil war. Your pathetic and dishonest headline doesn’t change what actually happened in the debate. Kudos to Brigitte for speaking truth. Kudos to the young Muslim woman for showing up at the forum and engaging. Liberals want nothing more than silence when it comes to the reality that hundreds of millions of radical Muslims want to annihilate anyone who opposes their violent ideology.
OldLefty June 18th, 2014 at 10:13 am
Spare us the propaganda from the same crowd who nurtured radical Islam as a hedge against “socialism”.
As for; Liberals want nothing more than silence when it comes to the ..
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Really????
Why did we support radical Islam for all these decades??
That is what conservatives want to silence, more than anything else?
“Atrocities of the Lebanese war? (More than a civil war).
Why don’t conservatives talk about;
In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability
In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1221/In-Hezbollah-stronghold-Lebanese-Christians-find-respect-stability
Hizballah’s Christian Soldiers?
http://content.time.com/time/w…
Lawrence Dalton June 19th, 2014 at 10:38 am
“Spare us the propaganda from the same crowd who nurtured radical Islam as a hedge against “socialism”.”
That has been the democrats for the past 60 years…
OldLefty June 19th, 2014 at 11:02 am
That has been the democrats for the past 60 years..
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Sorry, it’s EXACTLY the opposite.
You supported Pakistan over India.
You supported radical Islam in Afghanistan.
You supported the Muslim Brotherhood over Nasser.
In the late 1980s,Pakistani President Benazir Bhutto, feeling the mujaheddin network has grown
too strong, tells President George H. W. Bush, “You are creating a jihadi Frankenstein.”
I’ve said all this before.
You counter with bumper stickers.
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Who Is Leading the Muslim Peace Movement? Millions of Muslims, That’s Who
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Eboo Patel. Learn more about the founder and president of the organization.
Eboo’s core belief is that religion is a bridge of cooperation rather than a barrier of division. He’s inspired to build this bridge by his faith as a Muslim, his Indian heritage, and his American citizenship. He has spoken about this vision at places like the TED conference, the Clinton Global Initiative, and the Nobel Peace Prize Forum, as well as college and university campuses across the country. He has written two books about interfaith cooperation, Acts of Faith and Sacred Ground. Some people ask if Eboo ever stops talking about interfaith. If it’s any indication, his five-year-old son can define interfaith cooperation.
Hank Reardon July 8th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
First, I listened to the comments by Brigitte Gabriel. Then, I read the entertaining effort at obfuscation and spin by ‘Alan’.
For her direct, articulate, and factual comments, Gabriel wins. But Alan continues to earn his keep as a 21st century Ellsworth Toohey. You go, bro.