Texas ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Totally Loses His Sh*t, Sets Up Police Ambush, Opens Fire
A Texas man who described himself as a “sovereign citizen” wreaked havoc last night in Dallas. Police initially responded to a trash-bin fire, when a man armed with a rifle lured them into an open area.
The truck was shot at least twice before the police were able to drive to a wooded area and call for back up, according to Dallas News.
When police arrived, the suspect fired on them. Officers retreated, and when they tried to approach the man, he shot at them again, according to police.
While officers were responding to the scene, police also received a ‘want to locate’ call from the Denton County Sheriff’s Department regarding the gunman.
The gunman had threatened a babysitter, who found safety in a nearby home and hid with an 8-year-old girl.
After the unidentified suspect finally surrendered to SWAT, authorities had to clear the scene of suspicious devices like propane tanks and jars filled with water that had been placed outside the home before rescuing the woman and child, Major Jeff Cotner of the Crimes Against Persons Division said.
Major Max Geron said the suspect was wearing a blue shirt and a white bandana or towel around his head and appeared to be armed with an AK-47, and set off a smoke bomb. According a police report, he’s “shooting off propane tanks.”
Police say he called 911 to say he was part of the sovereign citizen movement.
The suspect is to be charged with seven counts of aggravated assault on a public servant.
Watch courtesy of CBS:
Image: Dallas News
Eric Trommater August 12th, 2014 at 11:13 am
The pathology behind these people is simply scary.
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Actually it is well documented in the mental health manuals. Paranoia … sociopathy … anger issues … and fear. Lots and lots of fear.
labman57 August 12th, 2014 at 11:14 am
“Sovereign citizen” = tea-chugging, gun-toting, conspiracy-addicted, anarchy-promoting sociopath.
Eric Trommater August 12th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Or . . .
Larry Schmitt August 12th, 2014 at 11:22 am
And you have proof that he was connected to the tea party?
Budda August 12th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Don’t know about that but the Tea Party is probably to Liberal for him.
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
I didn’t notice – did the guy have all his teeth?
fahvel August 12th, 2014 at 11:47 am
oh absolutely!!!! – any one stupid enough to be him qualifies 100% for tee shitparty membership
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
Well his IQ automatically qualified him for that honor. Either way he’s a waste of oxygen.
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:53 am
well yea, it is the same thing
Budda August 12th, 2014 at 11:37 am
You forgot to add; stupid a-hole.
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Dumb and scared of his own shadow.
Sovereign citizen .. what a STUPID name.
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:34 pm
NOT! Tea party are in no way affiliated with the militia movement, in fact we in the Tea Party resent such suggestions, we want our America returned to the people not the lawyers and the pretender of a president.
William August 13th, 2014 at 12:16 am
“we want our America returned to the people not the lawyers and the pretender of a president”.
You DO understand that President Obama was duly and legally elected in accordance with the Constitution right?
Your suggestion takes that away from the people.
and you wonder why people laugh at you.
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Well I don’t really call having people adminting that they voted 3 or 4 times because grandma and my aunt didn’t want to go to the polls because they don’t like crowds a legit election. Ballot box stuffing was the only way OBO could have won, a bunch of crap, and right now I could give a crap who or what is laughing, considering the idiots who post on this site, I was simply trying to give some background on the .223 and perhaps try to give a dose of common sense to this place, but I knew in advace a bunch of socialist who come here would not accept any of it for the info without calling me names and acting like the fu***** hippies when I came home in 71.
William August 15th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
“Well I don’t really call having people adminting that they voted 3 or 4 times because grandma and my aunt didn’t want to go to the polls because they don’t like crowds a legit election”
“I could give a crap who or what is laughing, considering the idiots who post on this site”
….says the troll who can’t seem to spell admitting or advance.
I hope your aunt gets over her aversion to crowds.
Have a nice day.
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
Hell it was on tv right after the election, in one of those districts that counted more votes then people living in the district. One of your liberal deals, vote democrat, vote often is the way I heard it, but then I rarely believe what I see on TV but that little black lady was so honest looking. When you have been published, then I will take editorial advice from you. My spelling has been effected by the high dose narcotics I need just to survive, so give me a fucking break will you.
William August 15th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Hell it was on tv right after the election.
Well if you saw it on TV than it must be true.
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:52 am
You are all the same party, have all the same goals and all are racists… don’t try to pretend that you are anything else, we all know what the tea party is… the new name for the KKK or skinheads or whatever white supremacists groups that combined when a black guy was elected… but before he actually took office.
Foundryman August 12th, 2014 at 11:43 am
He surrendered after shooting at officers….damn….lucky he wasn’t an unarmed black kid, he’d be dead right now.
But there’s no double standard or hypocrisy in the country is there?
fahvel August 12th, 2014 at 11:46 am
Khary A August 12th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
For real….once again an armed white male fires upon the police and they still manage to keep him alive. Interesting that.
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:33 pm
Right again, do you know the WHOLE story???? I doubt it all you know is what the main stream media is preaching, the word over a black associate of the dead kid over a police officer who was forced to take a life while in the line of duty. Shame on you all!
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:49 am
what whole story? the THOUSANDS of unarmed black people who have been shot by cops in the last decade… or are you going to try to pretend that only the most recent counts?
fahvel August 12th, 2014 at 11:45 am
like good police in texas and other low life states, why didn’t they kill him?
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 11:59 am
Because he wasn’t a black kid .. that’s why.
Khary A August 12th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Do you IDIOT’S actually believe that any cop WANTS to take another life no matter the color of the skin? You are living in the past!
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:47 am
Chinese Democracy August 14th, 2014 at 1:29 am
I have seen plenty of racist cops in Los Angeles and Florida. Do I think they want to kill someone? Probably not .. hopefully not.
Do I think they would be more likely to shoot a black kid in the projects than a white kid in the burbs? Hayull yeah I do
wpadon August 12th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Seven counts of aggravated assault on a public servant results in a warning if your white and life in prison if another race. Assuming you survive the arrest.
BanditBasheert August 12th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
If you’re another race, the white cops just shoot you dead. If you are black and unarmed, that qualifies you to be shot in the back and the cop will be put on Administrative PAID leave and not named. The cop will be white.
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:30 pm
They always put them on Admin paid leave till the investigation is over with, just ask a Union Rep, they will tell you.
edmeyer_able August 12th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
It’s obviously a ruse being played by HRC supporters to disparage the good name of the Patriots who subscribe to the Sara Palin Network………………./s
MIAtheistGal August 12th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
It’s her story, she can headline it any way she likes.
MBouffant August 12th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
But why censor a quarter of the word? Ether it’s filthy & don’t use it, or use it in its full form.
MIAtheistGal August 12th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
You’d have to ask Anomaly, but it is her story. She can headline it however she sees fit.
Possibly for cross posting purposes? Other sites may have stricter profanity rules.
MBouffant August 12th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
I will refer you to: “Ether it’s filthy & don’t use it, or use it in its full form.”
Again, everyone knows what the word is, even w/ an asterisk, so why? Self-censorship, even as absurd as this, is a dangerous route.
Mike Butkus Jr. August 12th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
I f*cking agree!
Deborah August 12th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
granpa.usthai August 12th, 2014 at 4:30 pm
Sara, Sara, Sara
Sara, Sara, Sara
why would anyone want to paint out their political affiliation?
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Liberaland did before the merger.
granpa.usthai August 12th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
kinda like a soused Sara saying WTF?
William August 12th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
kinda like a soused Sara saying WTF?
….and yes she actually said it.
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:46 am
As a retired teacher reading that, it makes me want to scream. There is not a single complete sentence in it, the atrocities that she commits upon grammar are just mind boggling!
William August 13th, 2014 at 10:51 am
Robin Williams had a theory
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
It is natural, everyone has to do it or die, if you grow up on a farm, you get used to scraping it off your boots after chores, I don’t know what is so nasty, filthy about the word, hell even the F word isn’t nasty, it’s fun and if your parents didn’t F then you wouldn’t be here now would you?
mea_mark August 12th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Who is the jerk here? Just asking.
MBouffant August 12th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
How pointless is censoring the “i”? People know what it means anyway, just go w/ the truth.
Khary A August 12th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
Hey who gives a flying F$%# what you think about a Co%&sucking headline?!? I mean Jesus F@#$ing Christ don’t we have other sh*t to deal with?
mea_mark August 12th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
The phrase was appropriate, one of the words in the phrase wasn’t. So instead of changing the word, which would change the phrase, you throw in an asterisk. It was in the title also. If it had been in the body of the text, that would have been a different situation and the asterisk probably wouldn’t have been used.
greenfloyd August 13th, 2014 at 1:14 am
For what’s it worth, I think the over-use of expletives, with or without special characters, is indicative of lazy thinking. And in this particular case a lack of an Editorial Policy in regards to changing original content. Don’t get me wrong, I love the LL format and I’m certainly not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting to those, like I, who value the LL Experience to set a good example.
R J August 12th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
And yet an unarmed black teen is murdered, by the police
W. Linzmier August 12th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
With luck maybe you will be next.
R.J. Carter August 12th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
What’s it like having your messages deleted by a Tea Party Conservative moderator?
mea_mark August 12th, 2014 at 4:40 pm
Lol. good going 🙂
Chinese Democracy August 14th, 2014 at 1:27 am
whats it like being a t bagger working on a site named LIBERAL LAND?
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
I have yet to hear the police officer’s version of that, according to his chief, that nice poor black boy was just walking down the street, not trying to get that officer’s gun out of his holister, but who listen’s to cops any more, that other black boy walking down the street with him HAS to be telling the truth right???
John Norris August 13th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
the cops version (or at least what is availible online) is rather different than what is being spread by the teens friend. but way too soon to make any decisions or informed opinions on this. would love to see dash cam…. if the cop is being a douche take him out and lynch him for murder…. if the kid was trying to take the cops gun well….hes already paid his price…… rip
Ol Blue August 12th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
Soon to be sovereign citizen jailbird, unless the NRA can get him off.
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
Just what the hell makes you think the NRA would WANT to get this idiot off??
I AM THE NRA
W. Linzmier August 12th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
LMAO at all you LIBERAL cyber tough folks. Say what you want, post what you want. But it is not going to do a bit of good. YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER GET MY GUNS OUT OF MY HANDS TILL I AM DEAD. Liberals may win the fight but I promise you it will take generations to replace all the ones who tried to make it happen.
William August 12th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:40 am
LOL I remember that thing
MIAtheistGal August 12th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
We don’t want to get rid of all guns, just keep them out of the hands of the mentally unstable, like, well…you.
W. Linzmier August 12th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
Give it your best shot
mea_mark August 12th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
You sound like you might need some counseling. You seem to be living in a paranoid delusional state. I sure hope you don’t snap and start killing people because you think something is going to happen when there is no real evidence it is actually happening. Try and talk to someone who doesn’t live in the delusional bubble that you live in, it should help with your perspective on reality and avoid any unnecessary tragedy.
Herb Sarge Phelps August 12th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
I always find it interesting that those who want to stop any gun laws, always immediately open with “you Liberals” as if anyone who wants sensible gun laws that gives some safety to both the public and gun owners as Liberal. It shows the lack of reason used by people of this ilk and why they have nothing but emotional babble to defend their position. Everyone is not liberal who wants reasonable gun laws and it also helps the gun owners as well.
Dwendt44 August 12th, 2014 at 6:48 pm
90% of the general population want universal background checks. They ain’t all ‘liberals’, bunkie.
John Norris August 13th, 2014 at 6:11 pm
define universal background check for me…..is there something different that the background checks we already have in place? because last time i purchased a gun I went through a back ground check. and the time before that, and the time before that….way back into the early 90’s….when i started buying guns. the only guns i have, that i did not have a background check are guns i have purchased or received as gifts from friends or family.
Dwendt44 August 13th, 2014 at 6:17 pm
I think you already know what ‘universal background checks’ are and how it would work. The idea is currently, gun shows, and private sales aren’t covered by background checks.. UBC would close that loop hole so that criminals, mental cases, and those under court order to be gun free wouldn’t be able, hopefully, to get guns with out some body knowing.
I don’t think it would cover legitimate gifts.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
“”Everyone is not liberal who wants reasonable gun laws…””
I agree with you…but the flipside is, not every gun owner is a conservative!Look at the way I am accused of “not possibly being a liberal” simply because I oppose prohibitions and bans, and have a collection of firearms…even though I have repeatedly said I support evidence-based laws such as BG checks, training, safe storage etc. Ridiculous.
If we are to admit that gun owners of all socio-political stripes want these sensible laws, then first some of “you people” are going to have to admit that there ARE gun owners of all socio-political stripes in the first place, lol!
Right now, it seems that there are several posters here who are unable to comprehend the existence of liberal gun owners. Well, I got news for you Sunshines, there are, and we are legion.
And we support sensible laws written by knowledgeable experts, not kneejerk “bans” written by Feinstein-type anti-gun zealots.
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
That’s simply because your “sensible” gun laws always end with registration, which leads to confiscation.
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:39 am
and you wonder why your party is known world wide as “The Stupid Party” *SMH*
granpa.usthai August 12th, 2014 at 4:23 pm
LIBERALS are apt to have a wonderful future, thank you very much.
meanwhile, what will your future be like when a US CONGRESS finally learns how to read an amendment in it’s entirety?
this guy was no member of a well regulated militia, and I doubt if you are either.
William August 12th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
When you reach the point where you live in fear that nameless faceless people are coming to take your guns away, you’ve made the mental competency issue about gun ownership self evident…..or Linzmier might be one of those emasculated guys who need to compensate and cannot afford a corvette or a truck with really big tires.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
There is nothing “nameless or faceless” about Dianne Feinstein’s (failed) AWB 2.0, or the states like NY. NJ and CA that are doing exactly that.
But it will be enough to prevent the Dems from regaining the House, bet on it.
America’s 100 million plus gun owners (millions of them democrats) are not going to remove the divided Congress that is serving as a ‘check” on zealots like Feinstein, trying to ban folding buttstocks and barrel shrouds – without even knowing what they are, lol…only that they must be “bad”….because the bad guys on TV have them!
William August 12th, 2014 at 11:57 pm
And all of this effects you in Canada how?
William August 12th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Sovereign citizens are stupid.
Herb Sarge Phelps August 12th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
Sovereign Citizens are another reason to have gun control within reasonable limits. They are increasing and pose an internal threat to our nation that under our current gun laws can obtain legally many military style guns that can be converted to become even more deadly. That means they can also get even more firepower designed to be even more deadly through black markets and have more funds to do so since they can buy so much legally. People should be able to get their sporting weapons, but weapons not meant to be sporting and are to kill should be off the market. Nobody needs a M16 and if it takes one for them to shoot at a target (it will render any prey too ripped apart to be food so would be a horrible hunting rifle) should be fine to shoot a less deadly weapon. I assure you any weapon will kill cardboard.
Christopher Potas August 12th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
you obviously don’t know anything about ballistics…….the .223 round is a fine hunting bullet….do your homework
Herb Sarge Phelps August 12th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Actually I know a lot about the M16 since I was an Air Force Security Police member and carried one for years. I was well schooled in the M16 and taught about it’s history and what it was designed to do. So you need to educate yourself on the M16 and I bet the USAF knows more and what they taught me was correct. Nice try but no cigar.
Dwendt44 August 12th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
I’ve seen pictures of what that round does to a Viet Cong. Not pretty and if it were a game animal, there wouldn’t be much worth eating. Herb is correct.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
The .223 (or it’s Nato cousin the 5.56) is a medium powered round, great for hunting varmints and smaller game, including even some smaller species of deer such as mulies…but it is considered too LIGHT for large game like moose, bear, elk etc.
The purpose of the 5.56 developed for Viet Nam was two-fold: 1) it was much lighter, for troops to carry far more rounds than the .308 or 30-06, and 2) with a FMJ projectile (generally illegal for hunting), this medium-powered round would wound soldiers on the battle field, thereby taking two more out of the fight to recover their comrade. The .308 shot by the M16’s predecessor, the M14 was many times times as powerful….so much so that the M14 was considered almost uncontrollable on full auto.
Only one province in Canada allows hunting anything larger than a coyote with the .223, and that is Vancouver island where the deer are tiny.
The round is too light to be legally used for deer anywhere else in the country.
Calling the .223/5.56 a “high powered round” is just one more of the lies being told by the anti-gun folks these days.
But it’s great for coyotes and hogs…
Dwendt44 August 12th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
Perhaps, but the muzzle energy isn’t the whole story by any means. The .223 as you likely know, tumbles and chews up the ‘meat’ in larger animals and humans. That what makes it suitable for military use; the damage done is comparable to a large projectile. Ask a doctor in the E.R. that has treated someone hit with one of those ‘varmint rounds’.
I don’t know many hunters that eat varmints, especially one hit with a .223.
If killing is all you are out in the field for, it’s very good at what it was designed to do. For the phoney reason of home defense, not so much. Self styled gun smiths aside, a 12 gauge shotgun is the best weapon for home defense.
Then you ask yourself why this gun design is so popular that at least 6 to 8 rifle manufacturers make them. Macho posturing? G.I. Joe mentality?
There are many better hunting rifles available for a lot less money. There are numerous guns that work better at home defense.
John David Peer August 13th, 2014 at 12:20 am
I agree with you that the .223 is not a widely used game animal round…but the statement was “it sucks for hunting” is what I was addressing. Hogs and coyotes in Texas are rarely eaten.
It is indeed a ‘tumbler”, and so that makes me wonder why you would say it not appropriate for home defense? A tumbling round has a FAR less likely chance of continuing on into a neighbor’s house, compared to, say, a FMJ 7.62 NATO!
The reason that the AR platform has rejuvenated the sport shooting industry IS a bit of a “GI Joe mentality I suppose, combined with the fact that, frankly, the platform WORKS! It is easily modified and accessorized. I’ve heard it called “Barbie for men”, lol…it’s the Model T” of modern sporting rifles. To be honest, I think the AR has already peaked as a platform. I think the future will see more and more bullpups become popular, like the Tavor, or even the Chinese type 97…sorry your gov’t won’t let you have one, they’re quite popular up here in “commie” Canada, lol.
But the .223 will remain popular for the range, because it’s cheap, has little recoil, is fairly flat, and it’s fast.
And absolutely there are better ‘hunting rifles” than an AR, of course, who said there wasn’t? It was the round we were discussing, and again, it’s a medium round (and you know it is) not a “high powered” one, and it serves well as a varmint round: gophers etc. Why try and dispute that?? Also, in it’s military configuration (FMJ), it doesn’t always tumble, it can pierce right through. It is, by FAR, a less lethal round that ANY .308 or 30-06, which preceded it. But you know that I’m sure.
I’m Canadian, so I have no need, or interest, in defending my home…my firearms stay locked away in a vault, with the ammo at the other end of the house. If I lived somewhere dangerous, that might change, but here in Canada, we have millions of gun owners, and less than 200 homicides per year, and decreasing.
John Norris August 13th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
223 is legal for deer in MN and Wi…. just saying…http://dnr.wi.gov/files/PDF/pubs/wm/WM0431.pdf page 17
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2014/full_regs.pdf#view=fit&pagemode=bookmarks page 60
Jerry Ericsson August 12th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
I have used the M16 for what it was designed for in Vietnam, works great for killing gooks. I have also modified a magazine to 5 rounds and used it to take deer, works super for that as well. However you compare that .223 round’s little hole, bit bigger exit on a white tail deer to say the 7MM Rem Mag that blows the guts right out of a white tail at 200 yards, then tell me how damn powerful the .223 is. For deer I prefer the 25-06, and used that for many years. It is the right combination of high velocity and flat trajectory that is needed on the planes, it also doesn’t grind the meat like the 7MM Mag. If I were to need to shoot a liberal at say a few hundred yards, I would much rather have a 25-06, or even that 7MM Mag,(I wouldn’t touch fried liberal) as it shoots farther, does WAY more damage, and where you may need 25 rounds on semi-auto to hit me at 200 yards, one round or perhaps two for a kill shot in your direction. I too understand ballistics, I was in Nam, and not in the Air Force playing soldier around the air base, and beating up on airmen who got too drunk and slapped up their whores. I used to laugh at the Air Force in the clubs trying to convince mama-sahn that they were the “real heroes” in Nam. I spent 8 years in the US Army, 24 years as a police officer, I hold diploma’s in Paralegal Studies from the University of ND, and Gunsmithing, and have worked in both fields so I think I understand ballistics as well as police officers, and the idiocy that is the liberal movement. Oh and just to piss you all off more, I hosted, as well as sold at gunshows over a ten year period which I held a FFL, had to give it up after a line of duty accident put me on the disabled list, sold off my guns to pay the bankruptcy lawyer after the government took away my home and sold it for 1/10th it’s value, then sued me for the alleged value.
Long Live Rush Limbaugh!!!
Kim August 12th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Oh, we have a real winner here folks. LMAO
John David Peer August 13th, 2014 at 12:04 am
I don’t think you’ve “pissed” anyone off. I feel sorry for you that you carry so much anger and resentment around that you would feel the need to make such outlandish statements on this site.
But it sounds like you’ve had a rough go at it for the past while, so I don’t feel any anger whatsoever.
come back when you are in a better mood, I’d love to hear more about your experiences. I’m a 7.62X39mm guy myself, or what you would call a ‘fan of commie rifles”, no doubt, lol.
My favorite deer rifle, at least for last season and probably this next one, is my VZ-58. To reach out and (possibly) defend myself from angry homicidal right wingers like yourself, I guess I’d use my (civilian) M14 in .308.
I mean, you know, if it ever came to that, lol. You might get so angry, your heart explodes and you come back as a zombie!
Nah…more likely a slightly paunchy Internet Rambo in a dollar store headband…
Anyway, thank you for your service, sorry life has dealt you such crap lately. things’ll soon look up…they almost have to!
Idiot liberal gun owner
William August 13th, 2014 at 12:36 am
Long Live Rush Limbaugh!!!
any other draft dodgers you’re in love with?
Kim Hillstrom August 12th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
This is what the right wing has given us. Lord help us all. Why can’t they just shoot each other and leave us normal people alone.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
Isn’t that a lovely sentiment. “Why can’t they just shoot each other.”
Do you feel that way about inner-city gangland teenagers and armed drug addicts as well?
Kim Hillstrom August 12th, 2014 at 7:56 pm
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
So you don’t think that “normal” people, especially in the impoverished inner-cities, can get pulled into a violent lifestyle by their circumstances? And that they should all “shoot each other”?
Well, I appreciate your honesty. I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion, for sure.
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
the folk here are by no way normal, never heard of a normal liberal.
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
That’s because you have an conservative brain. Cons do not think straight if at all. You are loath to change and are extremely narrow minded in the way that you do think. You believe what your masters tell you to. The like minded people that is.
DetroitSam August 12th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
Why don’t we hear from the NRA denouncing people like this guy?
cecilia August 13th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
because the NRA wants more gun sales
Chinese Democracy August 14th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
great point. the NRA is a front for the gun industry, a lobbying group.
cecilia August 14th, 2014 at 11:09 pm
my policy is ‘follow the money’
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Boy talk about fantasy, I am a proud member of the NRA, gave up my membership for awhile when the cop killer bullet contriversiy was going on till I did a bit of research, and when the libritards began trying to once again dissarm the populous, I joined once again, in fact I was flown by the NRA to DC many years ago for an assault on the assault rifle ban on Congress where police officers from every state were flown in and on one day we hit every congressman and Senator with a personal visit to explain the truth behind the assault rifle myth. This was BEFORE I rejoined the NRA, I figured if they would spend the bucks to fly me DC, put me up in a wonderful hotel, and turn me loose to hit the Capitol Hill then perhaps I should pay my dues for awhile just to pay them back. At the time I was full time police, part time gunsmith, and attended gun shows selling guns I had rebuilt, re-blued, re-chambered to new calibers etc. So I did know hundreds of gun show folk, and I can tell you that 99 percent of them would never break a law simply to make a sale, and I have never ran into that 1 percent. Nearly 100% were NRA as well, simply because the NRA protects our rights own carry and defend our selves and our loved ones from the rest of the idiots out there, most of who are liberal and insane.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
“”After the unidentified suspect finally surrendered to SWAT””
Good result. No-one killed, not even the (alleged) perp.
And the NRA DOES comment on cases like this, they call it: Bad guy with a gun, stopped by a team of good guys with guns.
whatthe46 August 12th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
what’s it called when an unarmed citizen is killed with a gun by a good guy with a gun?
David From Lavonia August 12th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Murder, it can be done with a knife, hammer or a gun, etc,!!! Get the point?
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Exactly. In Russia where defensive firearms have traditionally been forbidden, the murder rate was up to 4 times that of the US. gangs would just march into homes and drunkenly stove the victims’ heads in with a bat etc, and make off with their valuables…
Then a strange thing happened. About 10 years ago, Putin et al started slowly allowing folks to get licenses for a defensive weapon…including some “non-lethal” shot gun shells.
And so since then, over 5 million defensive weapon licenses have been issued, and wouldn’t you know it…an inconvenient truth for the gun haters…Russia’s murder rate PLUMMETED to only twice that of the US!
Yes, they still have FAR fewer guns in private, legal, hands…and their murder rate is still 2 times that of the US…
But, eventually, since “more guns = less crime, provided those guns are owned by law-abiding citizens, that are well trained, we will see their rate come down even further as the citizens win the right to choose (or not to choose) to protect their families with the best means available.
It’s all about choice, is gun ownership, and that’s why it is a liberal cause. Civil disarmament is an AUTHORITARIAN tactic.
Some history books need to passed around a bit more down there…
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 1:56 am
and yet 80 percent of Russians are opposed to easing existing gun laws.
Some conservatives need to stop spreading the total utter b/s that the 2nd amendment pertains to private citizens protecting themselves from the Government.
Its a mental health issue. Its video games. Its anything BUT guns that are the cause for the guntastrophy
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
Guess you aught to know by your name, you must be Chinese communist.
Candide Thirtythree August 13th, 2014 at 4:29 am
lies told by liars, nothing more.
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 1:57 am
I doubt walking into a classroom full of kids with a hammer would have had quite the same outcome.
Get the point?
R.J. Carter August 13th, 2014 at 11:38 am
But you still don’t need a gun to achieve that objective.
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 8:10 pm
carrying a gun that can easily kill 40 ppl in a matter of seconds is much more convenient than running around the classroom trying to drown them with water balloons..
some people dont need guns period
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 1:07 pm
Who decides who should or should not own a gun??? YOU? No way, this is still the United States of America, and the Supreme Court has said over and over again, when they dare address it, that the 2nd Amendment does apply to “THE PEOPLE” not some militia that the litratards always talk about. Then when they talk about the militia movement they scream it is an arm of the KKK or NAZI Party, well some are indeed but many are not, just like you seem to think all Republicans are racist, when it was the Democratic party who formed and were the majority of the KKK all the way back in the history of that ugly organization. No history means nothing to the libratards.
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Because the gun nuts don’t acknowledge the preamble. They seem to omit the well regulated militia part because it does not fit into their agenda. And btw, democrats know that the KKK were of the same party. As decades has passed, conservative republicans have taken the vile behavior and have become those democrats of old. The KKK, neo-nazis, Aryan Brotherhood. They are all conservative groups. Afraid of change, intolerant and narrow minded. Everything but the Christians that they all profess to be.Just like the teabaggers and other republicans. No Christian behavior of any kind.
Skip Patterson August 13th, 2014 at 11:35 am
Yeah I got the point, you’re an idiot.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 11:48 pm
That is either an accident, or else your ‘good guy” wasn’t so good after all…
Either way, it’s called a tragedy.
mcalleyboy October 9th, 2014 at 9:44 pm
Real easy to kill someone with your bare hands, these guys are powerful big and can take you down and smash your face in, what sort of guy charges law enforcement? Youtube has many encounters documented where the police officer used to much caution and was taken out with his own weapon or simply beaten to death, law enforcement has the right to shoot those that charge them.
Kim August 12th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Proud liberal gun owner who feels some conservatives are seriously insane regarding this subject. Carrying weapons in their waistbands to Wal-Mart should lessen their numbers anyway as time goes on.
John David Peer August 12th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
My God(s), a gun-totin’ liberal??
I wouldn’t’a believed it, if I wasn’t living it myself, lol.
It can be a lonely place, eh?
And I agree, and have said so many times, the “open carry” tactics are just anti-social, and hurt their cause….which in Texas, is the odd situation where one cannot carry a small defensive sidearm on one’s belt, but a long gun is OK! That’s just weird…a holdover from the violence of the frontier days I guess.
I don’t know WHAT the motive is in other states where small gun open carry is allowed?
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Guess some of you all are beginning to see the reason to carry a firearm. Here in South Dakota, we have open carry law, where anyone can strap on a .45 and walk down the streets. We also have shall issue law, I have taken advantage of this, and have a concealed carry permit. Unlike many states, our state trusts it’s citizens. The Concealed Carry permit procedure is simple, show your South Dakota Drivers License, give the fellow a 10 dollar bill, and he issues a temporary carry permit, within 30 days the Secretary of State has a background check done, and must mail you your full permit good for 5 years,nice little laminated document good in 35 States as well as South Dakota, of course. Well it isn’t good enough for the Liberals in Minnesota, but last time I lived there, my 47 year old son was just six.
mcalleyboy October 9th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
At first glance it looks silly but it’s the only way to stop these businesses from breaking laws, they have no right to bar someone from protecting their life. Open carry is only used as a protest, these guys are protesting carry concealed, this is where the weapon has to be, hidden. Extremist use the boycott weapon to bring down business, fire individuals…we’ve learned to adapt and evolve, if not peer pressure takes over and guns are removed from peaceful law abiding citizens and of course back to praying that the criminal will not carry or shoot you for $5.
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
my family are skeet shootin conservatives. I got a Glock 17 for Christmas once although I am the most liberal of liberals heh. I leave it at the firing range. I have learned to use it , but Im not obsessed with the thing.
lets just say that attempt to turn me from the dark side was a fail
mcalleyboy October 9th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Good on ya for giving it a try and guns aren’t for everyone, if you don’t want a gun or feel it’s will lead to more harm then good, I agree with you, some area’s in the US are very safe and to carry a gun would be ridiculous, sadly that’s just not the case everywhere, trouble is that extremists don’t care and apply their logic to everyone in all locations, this kind thinking is old and led to red tape and tough gun laws, good news is that it won’t happen again. Sorry about late replies, have had issue’s with two telcoms this year, dang things don’t run as smoothly here in the Philippines as they do in the US.
greenfloyd August 12th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
The original Dallas News title is:
Written by: Robert Wilonsky (firstname.lastname@example.org)
mcalleyboy August 13th, 2014 at 1:36 am
He lives out in the country, his taxes must be low and no nosy neighbors or police, so this falls under a mental health issue, don’t make it a gun issue please.
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 1:59 am
oh so if you dont have noisy neighbors then you open fire on the police
If he didnt have a gun.. it would be a non issue
mcalleyboy August 13th, 2014 at 5:44 am
Nosy….not sure what you posted it don’t make sense, sorry but look up the definition of a nosy person. Reason I mentioned don’t make it a gun issue, is that Liberals generalize a weapon incident, were not all the same.
Anomaly 100 August 13th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
A gun was involved, therefore it’s a ‘gun incident.’
mcalleyboy August 13th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Generalization…when’s the last time Liberland “News” reports a positive feed back with a gun? It’s all negative and mental health reporting.
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
because there isnt much positive “news” to report about guns
I know one. When the 2 people that murdered the police … then went into Wal Mart, a citizen confronted them with a gun.
Ok so that didnt turn out so positive either. I tried
mcalleyboy August 13th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Take a look see on “Youtube” you’ll find several positive stories of home invasion by repeat murder’s, ect… this don’t make the news.
Chinese Democracy August 14th, 2014 at 1:24 am
I havent seen this on nightly news ..
People who have ready access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed and three times likelier to commit suicide than those without a gun available in the home or from a neighbor or friend, a new study has concluded. http://goo.gl/nT83PU
mcalleyboy August 14th, 2014 at 2:41 am
You follow that study, I’ll protect my life and the life of my loved ones. Like I mentioned earlier, you own’t find these stories on the major “News” headliners it don’t sell. Youtube has these stories, actually they start out as local news stories, most of the people that saved their lives were young girls and kids, parents had trained them how to use a weapon. Amazing how people take better care of their cars then their very own lives.
Chinese Democracy August 14th, 2014 at 10:42 pm
Im worried about my family. Because zealots are wandering around with guns
mcalleyboy August 15th, 2014 at 12:57 am
Apparently the government of N Korea thinks the same way you do. Civilian population has a ban on guns, hey that works for me.
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Yep, in the small town where I now live, nearly every home has a rack of rifles on the wall, a few shotguns for bird season perhaps in a gun cabinet and many have a pistol or three in their nightstands and closets. I can count the number of murders here in the last hundred years on the fingers of one hand. When I was in high school, you cold walk down the street where we parked our pickups and cars, and see many rifles, and shotguns in the back windows of the pickup, between the seats on cars, and nobody said a thing because we were taught from a young age how to handle firearms, and nearly every boy in the area got a bb gun for his 6 birthday, a .22 at 12, and at 16 a deer rifle of some sort, usually a .243 or similar. There are no accidental shootings in our town, sure we have a few suicides, and like everywhere else they were by known depressed persons, many used to drive into a large bridge south of town, so they removed the old bridge and replaced it with a modern bridge, now that is but a memory. Several by firearms but that’s the same everywhere as well. It is a known fact that if you take away the firearms, those bent on suicide will surely find another way.
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
So why are you complaining, if they commit suicide, then their guns will not harm you at all. Some people are right to do that, as they are plain worthless to begin with. And your claims are just libratard exaggerations. Everyone wants to say figures don’t lie, well the response is no lairs figure.
mcalleyboy October 9th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Who’s statistics and do you trust those statistics? How many statistics never get reported because problem solved by the individual, why should I call the police if I was able to stop a bad happening…shoot get stuck filling out forms for hours, not me.
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
That’s because there really isn’t any positive feedback as far as guns are concerned. When was the last time you heard any? And it isn’t because it isn’t out there if it happened. The simple fact is that too many people considered “good guys with a gun” are offing their families and other innocent people.
mcalleyboy October 9th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
I know you watch Youtube, there are several video’s of people, young girls, kids, old folks that save themselves from certain death, many of the criminals that were shot had already claimed lives in home invasions. Test your safety….park that human shield device (vehicle) and take a stroll during the evening hours downtown area, lets see how you feel about self protection and if this sounds crazy, hope that your vehicle doesn’t break down in these area’s, what happens when your robbed and can’t call the police, so many questions but they’ll never get answered as long as you shield your self from society.
Kim Hillstrom October 11th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Bullshit. And I keep a very large knife between my mattress and wear a knife when I go anywhere. What a surprise it would be for anyone who attempted to rob this old broad to have a long blade stuck up their throat. I like the personal approach to these types of crimes. I have guns but I am not a zealot like the 2nd amendment retards who believe they have a right to open carry anywhere. Ours are for sporting and home protection. But in the unlikely event I don’t wake up from the dogs barking and can’t get to the gun safe I at least have the alternative. As I said, I much perfer the personal approach.
mcalleyboy October 11th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Good on you…The guys walking around by these grocery stores looking silly with guns, that’s because the media makes them look silly, that’s not fair. How will a pro gun activist show his support for guns, have a hand gun hidden under his shirt…no, he has to carry around a rifle or outdated junky gun and show it off at stores that won’t allow him to carry his concealed weapon, that’s the story, these grocery spots and several other business shops that are anti-gun put up signs that say no guns period, no guns allowed, they are talking to the “Carry Concealed Crowd”. The knife is effective but when up against another gun…don’t do it, carrying your weapon concealed without a carry concealed license don’t do that either. Bottom line Kim is that the zealots that are holding those rifles have no other means to show the gun other than a big silly looking out dated rifle (one the police can take) the more expensive semi-automatics are at the house. I have been told by several democrats and moderate Liberals that they do carry and do enjoy hunting, don’t let the extremist Liberals take your party and I won’t let the Sara Palin and Ted Nugent take my party….Deal?
RioBravoHombre August 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
He tried to kill police officers with a gun…why are you lying about that?
Chinese Democracy August 13th, 2014 at 8:12 pm
ok my bad
oh so if you dont have NOSY neighbors
fixed it ..
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Ya he could have a knife, a bat, a lawn dart, a brick, a 2 X 4, lots of things to kill with if you have the insane desire to off your fellow man, or woman, what ever the case, hell there are even folks out there that bash baby’s heads against the wall at birth, but then those are mostly in China where birth is regulated, much as the liberal’s here wish to impose with their support of abortion.
RioBravoHombre August 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Did he attempt to murder cops with his mind? What a fatuous load of crappola.
cecilia August 13th, 2014 at 4:16 pm
he’s a NUT with a gun.
crazy people should NOT have easy access to guns…..why is that difficult to understand?
mcalleyboy August 13th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
Define crazy? And those with a mental health issue, at one time or another 70% of the population will have a mental health issue, most will have no violent tendencies.
cecilia August 13th, 2014 at 7:06 pm
THAT is the public conversation we SHOULD be having instead of this ammosexual fear of losing “gun rights”.
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
crazy bit**S should not have access to the internet, they just embarrass themselves.
cecilia August 15th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
so get off your computer
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
again with the Nazi attitude!
mcalleyboy August 15th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
If your declared crazy you won’t be buying weapons but incarcerated for your own safety as well as others.
cecilia August 15th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
well, that depends on the kind of “crazy”…some crazy just needs therapy and medication…in any case that’s not my decision.
A proper, intelligent and useful policy has to be in place. People in pain need help and we should solve this problem or more people will get hurt
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
I don’t know the Mexican next door’s Rottweiler barks for hours on end, I asked him to keep it down, he called me a racist because I complained of his noisy dog. I didn’t blow his head off, or much of anything, well I did call the local sheriffs office, they took care of the problem, they didn’t shoot him either. The next day, I was nice enough not to complain when his wife sat on the deck with her boom box wide open for three hours, the SO did at last drive by with their windows open and took care of that problem as well. Nice to have a deputy living just a block from me. Oh yes my taxes are low, I purchased my 3 BR Ranch home on two lots of 15 grand 15 years ago, the value had drastically increased now that the oil boom is here. However I have lived in DC, El Paso, Tacoma and dozens of other places over my 60+ years. I am told that in China they respect their elders, and my online friends in China address me as Uncle, not exactly sure how that works but I accept it as respect something this site lacks for anyone with differing views. My hero, President Nixon, did forgive the draft dodgers, President Reagan, another of my hero’s pardoned those still hiding in Canada, but then most of you would understand that as you hated us, and the war so baddly that it made sick to just come back home after my year. OH and I too have veterans in my past, all the way back to the Revolutionary War Period, all fighting on the US Side, and the Union in the War between the States, so don’t try to throw your family heroes in my face as I don’t give a crap.
mcalleyboy August 15th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
I’m retired military….Calling law enforcement for every little issue, loud music, dogs barking, I wouldn’t want a hands on neighbor that does this, I also refer to someone like this as nosy. You have about the same clearance as I do with my neighborhood, you sound like a city man, you should have stayed closer to the city, that’s where all those rules apply.
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
Hey I did 8 years in the military myself, when my children came of age, I went recruting so I could get out of the Washington DC area, I was stationed at Fort Myer Va, lived in Arllington, I went to Minnesota for my last two years, then left the army and joined the PD. I live in a very small town of mostly retired farmers in South Dakota 1300 last count. We expect our privacy, and silence. The only time the noise ordinances are not enforced is while the Rally in Sturgis is on, that’s just 175 miles south so we get a lot of Harley traffic going and coming. The song of the Harley rings happily in my ears, as before I was disabled I owned a couple of bikes, never could afford a Harley but always had the Harley dream. Now I can no longer hold a motorcycle up so it has become a pipe dream, perhaps some day if I win a lottery, I will get a trike and go down to Sturgis just for the fun of it. I am down there every six months as it is as that’s my nearest VA hospital.
Kathy McGrath August 13th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Black unarmed teenager jaywalking – murdered in cold blood by police. This asshole? White and still fucking breathing.
Jerry Ericsson August 15th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Just wondering, there were two police officers guned down in DC last night, one detective in plain cloths is still hanging on in the hospital, the uniform who came to his aid received a bullet in his head. This in a all black neighborhood, the officers were both white, how many of you are rioting in the streets about the racist blacks who would kill an officer going to defend them from being killed by each other. Bet nobody is out in the streets, burning cars and quick stop’s over that one! Who is the racist here???
Where are the community organizers, Does the president go on tv to speak of this???
Kathy McGrath August 15th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
Just wondering, do you actually know how to read, or did you get this information from your usual source…fox “news?” Only one of these people was shot, the detective, and he is not dead. The “uniform” was a she, not a he, and was not going to the detective’s aid. She was already following the suspects’ (that would be “n**gers” to you) car when the detective was accosted. She did not receive a bullet to the head or anywhere else. Other than all of that, your version of the story is 100% accurate. Who is the racist here? White male assholes like yourself who comb the news looking for any shred of information that “proves” their “point” that “Hey, look, it’s not us white guys who are the racists, it’s the n**gers.”
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
That’s Fox NOISE, Kathy.
Kathy McGrath August 16th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Kim I have many words for the hateful vomit that fox spews 24/7…noise is one of the milder ones!
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
I can never watch any of the shows for more than a few minutes. There are times I would love to kick Hannity in the face via the tv.
Kathy McGrath August 16th, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Hannity has a face that was MADE to be kicked…hard and often.
Kim Hillstrom August 16th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
And it looks like it has been.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
when these “riots” protest happens its because of unjust b.s. happening onto them. when these “riots” or “protests” happens because of some fk’n ball team losing or sometimes in the case of winning, its all white people turning over police cars, civilian cars, smashing windows. get it. and its not about unfair treatment or policies. as far as these cops you’re referring to, hope they will pull through, but what were they doing in the neighborhood and was it in self-defense. why don’t we wait until an investigation is completed. isn’t that what you racist always say when an unarmed black male is shot down by a white cop. it works both ways poppy.
mea_mark August 15th, 2014 at 7:47 pm
Watch what you say, especially to other people commenting. Next time I might delete instead of edit.
mcalleyboy August 15th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
My reply went in the wrong spot, sorry had to delete it.
Jerry Ericsson August 16th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
No I am simply ignoring you because you are displaying the typical libratard attitude when argument fails start name calling. I have been called a pig by worst then you, the last sob that called me a pig while I was in uniform ended up in the jail cell overnight simply because his attitude gave me PC to do a stop and frisk, found some pot in his back pocket, and since it was after 5PM and the judge wasn’t home the poor bastard had to spend his night in a cell sleeping on a concrete bed. He hasn’t spouted off with his mouth since. Oh how I wish I were still in uniform and you walked by, calling me a pig!!
Enough of this idiotic argument, you can’t teach idiots, so it isn’t worth my valuable time coming back to argue with such ilk. I was raised a democrat, dad was a very strong democrat, but once I got out on my own and off the farm, I decided for myself who has the best programs, and who supports freedom, that led me to the Republican party, I do lean toward the tea party, enough said. so if you have any more comments, spout off here, I shan’t be listening.
Kathy McGrath August 16th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Blah blah blah…more drivel and nonsense. And more bullshit, since you WON’t be shutting up as everyone here would LOVE for you to do. It’s the morons who have the least to say and no clue what they’re talking about that never seem to shut their pie holes. I have no doubt that yours will be spewing again soon.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
oh snap. feel like this is going to be a one way conversation. that is, the response i made to jerry ericsson. it won’t be answered considering it was a post from 2 months ago. LOL