House Majority Leader’s Wife: ‘They Don’t Want You To Have The Right To Be A Christian’
No, Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s wife, Judy, isn’t talking about what’s going on in Iraq. She’s talking about how, here in America, “they” don’t like Christians. The “they” most be those evil liberals who run America like a dictatorship.[su_center_ad]
“People are sympathetic to different things and different causes, but when you bring up Christian, there is no sympathy whatsoever. They do not think you should be able to have that belief,” she said. “You’re not pushing that on someone else, it’s your own belief, you’re living it, I’ve never seen it the way it is now, I do think it is really scary actually, I think that they don’t want you to have the right to be a Christian.”
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D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
BanditBasheert August 16th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Typical dingbat. NO ONE CARES what someone’s personal belief is – unless you are NOT a Christian and then it becomes the business of “the church” to try and interfere. There are so many hypocritical christians it is no longer possible to try and agree with all of the walls they bounce off while trying to get you to fall in line with their beliefs.
I was raised christian, but left a long time ago and have no need or desire to return.
On the other hand, those who do believe are entitled to their beliefs – just leave me out of them.
Larry Schmitt August 16th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
You have the right to whatever belief you want, but you don’t have the right to shove it down the throats of others, and we have the right to not listen to you, or criticize you. Quit playing the persecuted victim. The one group that is not persecuted in this country is white Christians.
jasperjava August 16th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
She doesn’t even know what being a Christian actually means.
Larry Schmitt August 16th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
This is from a Twitter post: Oh, you poor thing and your hurty wurty feelings.
arc99 August 16th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
No one is trying to stop you from being a Christian
The birth certificate is real.
There are no death panels.
Romney will not win in a landslide.
Turn off talk radio. It is rotting your brain.
scrzbill August 16th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
No one cares what religion you want to believe. You don’t have the right to shove your beliefs on others.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
It is very difficult when one loses their preferred status. We’ve seen people commit crimes when they think they’ll lose their lifestyle. McCarthy and those like her that choose to have “blind faith” honestly think and feel that they are entitled to preferential treatment. It’s not vastly different than a spoiled teen. It’s not going to be fun coming to terms with real life – but I’m sure she’ll find her way there eventually.
Yenta August 16th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
You’re more optimistic than I am about her finding her way there. 🙂
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
LOL. Oh trust me, its more a form of denial. It’s just so depressing otherwise. At least in my scenario – it could happen.
William August 16th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
That’s right, it’s all a sinister plot. BWAAAAA HAAAA HAAA.
Larry Schmitt August 16th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
If I didn’t know better, I’d say that was from a Treasure Chest comic, starring Chuck White. But the art is all wrong.
R.J. Carter August 16th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
It has the look of Treasure Chest, but the over-the-top hilarity of Jack Chick Tracts.
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
Double pedant!
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
Double pedant!
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Pedant!
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Pedant!
maritzka August 16th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Looks like a scene from “Reefer Madness” that ancient Conservatives still push as the truth about Marijuana. Still living in the dark ages. Still condescending and arrogantly pimping a fairy tale.
Yenta August 16th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
This says it all.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
I had heard: Religion is like a penis, it’s fine to have one and be proud of it, but don’t take it out and wave it around or shove it down my children’s throat.
Cosmic_Surfer August 16th, 2014 at 4:35 pm
Funny – The Christian version of The Book says not to pray in public and not to flaunt one’s religion but to act in the belief…
Matthew 6:5-7
“5”When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6″But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7″And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.…”
I always wondered why Christians built such big monuments to themselves so they cold flaunt their pretense of praying..
As a Pantheist, I find it just a tad out of touch with their own doctrine.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
a tad?
Cosmic_Surfer August 16th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
just a scosche…Like the planet is a scosche of the solar systm…the solar system a scosche of the Milky Way…and …well, you get it…
Ultimately, they don’t matter.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
I love you Cosmic, you are the very best at providing perspective.
Cosmic_Surfer August 16th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
I love you too Carla 🙂
R.J. Carter August 16th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Christians are also taught “Pray without ceasing.”
I’m surprised some liberals haven’t added that to the passage you described so they could use it as “Get in your closet and don’t ever come out.”
Cosmic_Surfer August 16th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
There is a difference between an ideologue and a true believer – Just like there is a difference between an ideologue claiming to Christianity and a real Christian, there is difference between an ideologue claiming to liberalism and a real liberal. I meet few real liberals but lots of ideologues claiming to liberalism but are just more exceptionalists using “liberal” to bash everyone not them.
Dcbos August 16th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
Her definition of being a christian has nothing to do with the teaching of Jesus; more like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned.
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
That’s certainly true – peruse most liberal blogs, including this one, and you will find no end of hateful & cruel comments directed at Christians – which is weird, because a large number of their fellow libs are Christians, as well as a high percentage of people they interact with every day.
Everyone’s gotta hate someone, I suppose. Hopefully it makes folks feel a little better about themselves when they hate on folks holding different supernatural belief systems than themselves – hard to think of any other positive thing that can come of it.
maritzka August 16th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
If you were really fair, as a REAL Christian would be, you would denounce all of the hate and bigotry you Conservatives lob about in God’s name. That would require you to show honesty and integrity, which is something your arrogance won’t allow.
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
LOL
craig7120 August 16th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
Nice response
q8^D
craig7120 August 16th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
I’m not gonna spoil your rant, but Um Cara is a liberal. The confusion is understandable if you’re using our POTUS as the litmus test of what is a liberal.
Be safe
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
When a living legend in the commenting community, like @disqus_GPQNahnP7b:disqus, gets written off with the words “you conservatives,” maybe it’s time to say the internet has had it’s day. It’s almost enough to make me want to turn off my laptop, spend quality time with my children or read a book. Almost!
Larry Schmitt August 16th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
Read the comments here. How many hateful comments directed toward Christians do you see? They make fun of McCarthy’s fake outrage at the non-existent persecution of Christians. If that’s cruel, so be it. She brought it on herself.
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
I’ve seen quite a few over the years, Larry. Perhaps if you stick around the site you will notice it in the future now that I’ve called your attention to it.
Bunya August 16th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Well, we do tend to jump on folks like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, The Westboro Baptist Church and hypocritical republicans, but you have to admit, they ARE a bit flaky.
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Some folks use people like Falwell, Robertson, and Westboro as a way to insult all Christians – others do indeed limit their comments to the actual creeps.
Red Mann August 16th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
I have found that most “mainstream” Christians have never heard of the Farwell’s, the Robertson’s, the Perkin’s, the Wiley’s, the Swanson’s, the Fischer’s, the Wildmon’s, the Staver’s, the Barbera’s, the Lively’s, the Barton’s and the legion of other religious fanatics the spew lies and hatred each and every day. The fanatics that have the ear of most Republicans. Very few ever speak out against these horrible people who are perverting their religion. There are a lot more of these evil people than the token few you imply and they are well funded and politically connected. The non-protesting Christians are complicit with the evil ones when they don’t speak out.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
But they all know who Joel Osteen is, and seem to think he is the answer. I have no rational reasoning for my dislike of the man, I know this but still every time I see him – the only word that comes to mind is insidious.
Red Mann August 16th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Yes, that cheesy, oh so sincere grin of his is creepy, but the guy’s found himself a cool racket.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
It does seem to be a sweet gig.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
It does seem to be a sweet gig.
Red Mann August 16th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Yes, that cheesy, oh so sincere grin of his is creepy, but the guy’s found himself a cool racket.
Um Cara August 17th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
He’s smarmarific, but seems fairly harmless to me. He comes on after one of the Sunday news shows in my market. My dad will watch him after it – so I’ve caught his show a few times when watching the sunday news progs w/ my pop.
No emphasis on sending all your cash to him, no ‘gawd h8tes figs’ stuff, all positive messages from what I’ve seen. But yea, he kind of gives me the heebie jeebies too. And while I try very hard not to comment on people’s appearances, the dude definitely needs a haircut.
Um Cara August 17th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
It’s remarkable how much you sound like a conservative complaining that every Muslim doesn’t criticize every wacky thing some other Muslim has said or done.
Obviously many, many, many Christians have spoken out against the various folks you mention.
Red Mann August 17th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Don’t even attempt to compare me to a conservative.
Some citations please, I’ve talked to various Christians and they have never even heard of these people. They just tell me how Josh McDowell has proved the existence of God.
I have run across some Muslims that have condemned their crazies which is much more dangerous than Christians speaking out against their crazies. Radical Muslims often kill those who speak out, radical Christians just send hate mail.
In any event, the radical Christians have much more access via web sites, TV channels, and an entire political party. The GOP just announced that God has a home in the Republican Party making it God’s Own Party. What has this country come to when religion is not only intimately mixed with politics but one of the two major parties has become a religious party. This is what the framers were trying to avoid, but since the days of the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition, evangelicals have been encroaching deeper and deeper into government. The Hobby Lobby has now given corporations religious rights, the right uses their religious beliefs to try to get the government to fight same sex marriage. This is not the America that should be, it is an America inching toward a theocracy mixed with a plutocracy.
If the more rational Christians are speaking out, they need to do it much louder.
Um Cara August 17th, 2014 at 7:48 pm
Why not? Surely you would like to be made aware so you can stop doing it.
Self awareness is an awesome thing – take her out for a spin sometime!
Red Mann August 17th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Except that I am not acting as you claim, I pointed out that this outcry amongst Christians against the haters seems to be quite muted. You claimed that “Obviously many, many, many Christians have spoken out against the various folks you mention.”. I have seen nothing of it in my travels, so please point out some examples of this, I’m willing to learn. I have been going by my experiences talking with moderate Christians, both in person and on the internet and all I have met are blissfully unaware of the problem.
You have not addressed any of my points, just dismissed them out of hand.
Um Cara August 18th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
Indeed. I’ve found it pointless to provide obvious information to folks who pretend such information does not exist. I used to spend hours arguing in favor of climate change with deniers – providing them with all kinds of links & evidence. Same thing w/ folks denying evolution. It never makes any difference, folks have to want to learn.
Hopefully you will notice your bigoted behavior in the future now that it has been pointed out to you, from there it will be a short jump to modifying that behavior. Perhaps not now, you might not be in a place in your life that permits growth. But someday. At least you recognize that bigotry is bad or you wouldn’t be denying the charge.
Best of luck on your continued growth and betterment of yourself, I’m pulling for you!
Red Mann August 18th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
So pointing out the undeniable reality of a very significant portion of Christianity is bigotry? Wow!
I used to be a Christian but grew out of it when I saw that it had no basis in reality and that it was easily used in many highly negative ways, and not just the radicals I have pointed out, but in many little ways.
You seem to be using a form of “No True Scotsman” by just waving aside the large and influential segment of your co-religionists and claiming, with no evidence, that many Christians are speaking out. I asked you to show me some references of this, you have, you just take an air of superiority and wave my objections away. Sorry, those people exists, they are having a huge negative effect on America and, indeed, the world. Where do you think the horrendous anti-gay laws in Uganda came from? It came from American evangelicals, led by Scott Lively, yet you seem to think that this can be simply ignored.
“Perhaps not now, you might not be in a place in your life that permits growth” comes very close to an ad hominem since you have assumed things about me and decided what I have to say doesn’t count because of it.
So you have not addressed any of what I have brought up and are still waving an imperious hand of dismissal.
Um Cara August 18th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
I’m a ‘religionist’ now? LOL
I suppose when I speak out against bigotry against homosexuals I am a ‘homosexualist’?
Well at least I didn’t assume you were a ‘religionist’.
At any rate, I do indeed think what you say ‘counts’, that’s why I challenged you on it in the first place. As for ‘proving that Christians have spoken out against kooky Christians’ I refer you to an amazing resource called ‘google’. Type in a phrase like “Christians speaking out against Pat Robertson”. Pretend like I typed it in for you if you like.
Red Mann August 18th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
You are a very rude and arrogant person. I assumed you were a Christian after your rather knee-jerk defense, sorry if you are not a Christian. I really don’t quite get where you are coming from. You’re just throwing a bunch of words around, making vague accusations and assertions. You made the claim “Obviously many, many, many Christians have spoken out against the various folks you mention” when it is not so obvious and you want me to Google to find support for your claim. You have the burden of proof and all I get is your rather high handed arrogance, your obsequious, pandering remarks that contain no substance.
You accuse me of being a bigot for pointing out a factual situation and you support that with an assertion that I am supposed to support for you, that’s really bad form.
Um Cara August 18th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
We’ve probably carried this conversation as far as it can go – but to be clear, I do not accuse you of being a bigot for anything factual that you said.
It’s ridiculous for me to have to ‘prove’ something as obvious as the fact that many Christians disagree w/ many other Christians and that they express that disagreement. It is _so_ easily proven that I lump you in w/ climate change deniers and evolution deniers, if I provide you with 5 examples you will ask for 10. If I give you 10, you will want proof that the previous pope said something about it. If I then give you proof of the previous pope saying something about it you will want something else…
Here’s a news flash for you – we’ve been discussing such topics as Pat Robertson’s nuttyness for YEARS on this site and many, many, many Christians right here on this site have denounced him.
If you were really open minded enough to be swayed by proof that many of your fellow Americans, including the 3/4 of which are Christian, have spoken out against mega-kooky-kristians you would have already googled it and proven it to yourself.
But you are comfortable in your bigotry. I’ll wager you are a bit less comfortable in it than you were prior to our conversation, so I do think the time was well spent.
Kind regards,
UC
Red Mann August 18th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Still with the non answers, still with the wrong headed accusations of bigotry. If pointing out the nasty, lying, deceitful people who loudly proclaim themselves Christians is bigotry, then, by that strange definition, I must be a bigot. Based on your unsourced assertions of a moderate, yet hidden, Christian response that you refuse to actually identify other than some vague hand-waving and invitations to Google the information to support your assertion, you have shown me nothing but arrogance and an air of self proclaimed superiority.
I haven’t been around this site very long, so I don’t know it’s history and you superciliously refuse to share it and than pontificate at me.
You do not present a good picture of this site with your arrogant, and unfounded, accusations of bigotry. You could have adopted a mature tone, showing me support for your claim, but you choose to attack and accuse, poor form on your part.
I would be overjoyed to see a strong position against the radicals that dominate the landscape, but all you do is allude to it, smugly asserting your superiority. My own experience has been the most moderate Christians do not even know of the existence of those I referenced, say nothing of taking a stand. You claim knowledge of this yet refuse to show it. Show me where moderate Christians are making inroads on the control of the GOP by the radical Christians, show me the meeting, conferences, blogs, websites, anything to support your assertions. An assertion without evidence is useless.
Um Cara August 19th, 2014 at 12:07 am
Yep, really. The change to disqus is quite recent. I guess I have made many thousands of posts over the years, though indeed recently I have limited my participation on the site quite a bit.
And my google suggestion wasn’t ‘vague’ – I even gave you a specific search term. The full url is http://www.google.com, if that helps.
Red Mann August 19th, 2014 at 12:19 am
No, it doesn’t. I know full well how to use Google, but you made a claim without evidence and you have refused to supply it, instead demanding that I do your research. I could do that but it is up to you to provide the evidence, little thing called burden of proof, it’s on the claimant, that’s you, and since you refuse, I can only assume that you have no evidence, just an unsupported assertion.
Red Mann August 19th, 2014 at 12:48 am
Just because I like to be thorough, I’ve done your work for you.
Pat Robertson is low hanging fruit, makes foolish, rather insane claims and is well known so he gets more feedback:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/01/14/christians-against-pat-robertson/
http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/01/14/pat-robertson-harms-image-of-christians/?cxntfid=blogs_cynthia_tucker
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/septemberweb-only/robertson-alzheimers-divorce.html?paging=off
Tony Perkins of FRC who has a massive political influence, not so much
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/10/21/a-christian-speaks-out-against-the-family-research-council/
Scott Lively uber homophobe, just a whisper
http://canyonwalkerconnections.com/on-scott-lively-of-the-kill-the-gays-bill-infame/
Bryan Fischer? Another whisper
http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-warren-throckmorton/bryan-fischer-speaks-with-forked-tongue-11646114.html
David Barton. Throckmorton again
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2011/09/14/radio-station-in-texas-cancels-david-bartons-wallbuilders-live-during-show/
Googling this:
“Christians speaking out against religious radicals”
turns up hit after hit attacking Muslims and Islam.
You have not shown that the vast majority of moderate Christians are speaking out in any coordinated, significant way. Comments on blogs are fine but that does not challenge the problem. I want to see the leadership of the Methodist, the Congregationalists, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians, the Baptists to speak out against the liars and encourage their churches to do the same.
Um Cara August 19th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
And thank you so much for proving that it is pointless to provide evidence to a denier. They (you) just move the goal-posts when you do.
‘Well sure people complain about Pat Robertson, even though I said they don’t – it doesn’t matter because he is low hanging fruit’
‘Well even though people are speaking out against some of the people I don’t like, they aren’t speaking out ENOUGH about some of the people nobody has ever heard of!”
“You haven’t proved the vast majority of Christians have spoken out against these people in a coordinated way” Vast majority? Coordinated? I also didn’t prove they did it on a boat in a moat milking a goat, while you are making up new critera, lol.
I get it, you’ve made up your mind about 3/4 of your fellow Americans & evidence is not going to change that. I do appreciate your honesty in so strongly demonstrating I was correct in my assumptions re: your openness to changing your opinion based on evidence.
Your position isn’t rational, so rational information isn’t going to get you to change your position. You need love and understanding & your heart to change for you to move past your bigotry. That takes time & effort, not some schlep like me tossing links at you.
You’ll get there – you’re a lib, so you can’t be all bad!
Red Mann August 19th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
You claimed that Google would support you claim of many, many Christians and it does not, it point to a small handful, nor does it reveal any stand by the leadership, so your claim fails to be supported. The Southern Baptist are on the side of the haters. So take your supercilious, arrogant self to the internet and provide some evidence for your claim. All the bluster in the world will not help you without evidence.
Um Cara August 19th, 2014 at 8:06 pm
Look at you, criticizing a specific xtian group rather than all xtians! I’m so proud I could bust! To think of how I have helped you grow so much in so little time… {Um Cara tears up} Sorry… must have something in my eye {sniff}.
Supercilious and arrogant are synonyms. It’s like calling me attractive and handsome, or smart and intelligent (though feel free to do so if you feel particularly passionate about my intelligence and good looks). I realize I have a far more betterer vocabulary than most, so you may well not have known you were being repetitive, or that you were being repetitive.
Just doing what I do best, selflessly giving of myself to one in need. Thanks are not necessary, witnessing your growth and knowing that I was a catalyst for it is thanks enough!
Red Mann August 19th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
su·per·cil·i·ous
ˌso͞opərˈsilēəs/
adjective
adjective: supercilious
behaving or looking as though one thinks one is superior to others.
ar·ro·gant
ˈarəgənt/
adjective
adjective: arrogant
having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one’s own importance or abilities.
Not exactly the same are they?
I am now pretty sure that you’re a troll.
Superior attitude – check
Never directly answers – check
Never provides evidence for assertion – check
Insulting behavior – check.
Since I have shown evidence for my claim and your alleged evidence does not support your claim and you’re an annoying and arrogant individual that shows no real interest in anything like a discussion, I see no point in further feeding your false sense of importance, so goodbye, you’re a waste of my time.
Bunya August 17th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
“Some folks use people like Falwell, Robertson, and Westboro as a way to insult all Christians”
I disagree. Those who take our criticism of above said goofs are just paranoid or are simply using this forum as an excuse to play the victim.
Um Cara August 17th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Odds are we are thinking of different posts/posters. Certainly many specific criticisms have been lodged against those goofy creeps where a person would have to be a paranoid wanna be victim to see it as being critical of all Christians in general, but other ridiculous posts have been made that use those goofs as an excuse to express their bigotry against all Christians.
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
I was just call a Mangina on here.
Carla Akins August 16th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
and it was funny as hell. uzza’s my hero for the day.
R.J. Carter August 16th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
I used to keep a list.
NW10 August 16th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
And peruse most right wing blogs, and you’ll find no end of hate towards Muslims.
IMO, all religion is a fraud, but I support the Constitution, which grants one the right to worship any religion they choose, or not to worship altogether. Judy McCarthy is FOS.
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Definitely, and much of it is far worse – though honestly, I find it almost impossible to peruse right wing blogs. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh for entertainment purposes (What an idiot – people believe this stuff? kind of thing) & visit the free republic site for the same reason.
But it’s all gotten so nasty & real that it is impossible to find entertaining.
tiredoftea August 16th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
At some point Stockholm Syndrome takes over and you believe him!
craig7120 August 16th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
You’re correct
I was/still in some cases I suppose, depending who you ask, anti organized religion. I do pick on xtians more sense they’re the majority on this site but im not prejudice in regards to religion.
I was ignorant back in the day, trying to convince the faith pushers to see the light, not unlike the proselytizers who would engage me.
Guilty, with the understanding I’m still part of the problem. I’ve begun to practice a believe and let believe philosophy, if I’m not trying to better myself all I’m doing is treading water. I’m getting better, swear to god I am.
Btw, thanks for not calling me out over the years, venting was therapeutic.
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
I have no problem with liberal blogs isn’t when they say cruel or hateful things about Christians. This is the internet. People say cruel and hateful things about everyone. Why should Christians be spared? What are they special?
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 8:10 pm
We’re all special. We each have our own individual quirks, some of which deserve criticism. It’s just lazy to pick on entire groups of folks instead of taking the time to find the uniquely awful things to harass each other about.
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 8:16 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
fancypants August 16th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
A very good Christian until his pals showed up
http://youtu.be/DtcSYPjJbgg
Hirightnow August 16th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
“Uniquely awful”…let’s compare two seemingly diverse groups, shall we?
Say…Nazis (I know, I know…’Godwin’s law;!…) and those calling themselves “Christian”
Oppress the Jews?
Nazis Christians
X X
Want their point of view, and ONLY their point of view, to be taught in schools?
Nazis Christians
X X
Claimed to be the victims of a “superior force of hateful oppressors”?
Nazis Christians
X X
Use media to promote such ideas?
Nazis Christians
X X
Promote the idea that their way is the ONLY way that decent people have any chance at all of defeating those “less” than them?
Nazis Christians
X X
…
…
See where this is going?
Um Cara August 16th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
You found a way to bring Nazi’s into the conversation, Godwin’s Law be damned – you win!
Eric Trommater August 16th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
I saw the same post almost word for word on a conservative blog only they replaced “Nazi Christians” with “Nazi Liberals.” I would like to point out that I am a liberal (since there has been some confusion who is who on this particular thread lol) but it does highlight how the whole semantics of bringing Nazis into any argument is problematic. So here goes:
To a conservative “Oppressing Jews” = Not supporting every single thing the current Israeli government does and thus their use of Nazi’s is justified.
To a conservative “Want their point of view, and ONLY their point of view, to be taught in schools” = Teaching social sciences, non-revisionist history, climate change, and (to a small percentage) evolution and thus their use of Nazi’s is justified.
I won’t elaborate on the last two points because we all know how conservatives feel about “coveted victim-hood status” and the media. My point is that both the spirit and the letter of Godwin’s Law has been brought into this feed. More to the point, only Nazis were Nazis and any argument that can be made by comparing your opponents to the Third Reich can be better made without doing so.
fancypants August 16th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
I like to think of it as Equal time with accusations and insults
If the Christians have a problem with that ? They should do more tax free praying and less insulting
CKPS63 August 16th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
You’ve got it wrong, Judy. A lot of people would be THRILLED to meet a real Christian — just look at how positively most have responded to Pope Francis. They just don’t want you to be whatever it is that YOU are, which does not appear to have anything to do with Christianity.
Bunya August 16th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Let’s see, we have a do-nothing congress, North Korea threatening to bomb us with acme anvils, the Russia/Ukraine crisis, the ongoing Israel/Palestinian conflict heating up again, and more troops heading to Iraq. So, realistically, what else could we possibly have to do other than to worry about and criticize some strange (and I do mean “strange”) lady’s belief in a sky fairy?
Seriously, these sanctimonious, self-sympathizing losers really need to stop playing he perpetual victim get a life.
Obewon August 16th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
Whenever elected officials, or their spouse brings up religion, they’re seeking donations and your vote. Tax-free churches cost the IRS $71 B annually. According to a University of Tampa professor.
“but when you bring up Christian”-Proselytizing as many do? Vs “You’re not pushing that on someone else”? Social Con hypocrites? Falwell’s bigoted Moral Majority? The Dominionist GOP ideologues today pushing for unconstitutional biblical law are one of the greatest threats to democracy that we face today.
The Christian right’s 30 years of “dominionist” strategy. http://www.salon.com/2011/08/21/posner_nar_dominionism/
Herb Sarge Phelps August 16th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
This kind of talk is counter-productive, incorrect, and disgusting. I am an agnostic that supports people having their religious freedoms while being free of having it imposed on me or others unwantedly. I refuse to discuss such with my own twin because she is deeply religious and, although well meaning, she will start trying to talk me into her belief. She thinks it is her duty to save my soul, and yet it only confirms my decision.
This victimhood of Christians is a smoke screen and time these people start to respect the rights of us with the same compassion and love that Jesus showed and talked about.
Roctuna August 16th, 2014 at 5:37 pm
Tax examptions, relatively unregulated private schools, a church on about every fourth corner, biggest nat’l holiday has christian connection, multi-billion dollar church tv industry, what did I miss? Yeah, “they” certainly are making it hard. “They” are finally calling out the perceived right many christians claim to discriminate based on religion, and christians call it persecution.
Dwendt44 August 16th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Don’t forget ignoring the rules about mixing politics and religion, spreading their propaganda in the public schools, on government meetings, etc..
majii August 16th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
I’ve been a Christian for over 50 years, and I’ve never felt threatened like these alleged Christians claim to be. If they truly lived their beliefs in Christianity, they’d do what Christ did—-he never tried to force his beliefs onto anyone. What they are are dominionists who want to impose their beliefs onto other by force of law.
majii August 16th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
I’ve been a Christian for over 50 years, and I’ve never felt threatened like these alleged Christians claim to be. If they truly lived their beliefs in Christianity, they’d do what Christ did—-he never tried to force his beliefs onto anyone. What they are are dominionists who want to impose their beliefs onto other by force of law.
Clearwater1948 August 17th, 2014 at 12:27 am
Ok, and your point is
RK Johnston August 17th, 2014 at 12:28 am
On 04/04/1980, I became a “Christian” (even though I was–and still am–an Episcopalian). It, indeed, was a life-changing experience for me.
And all of this time, I have never felt persecuted because of my faith. In fact, it has seen me through so rather rough times (including getting a pacemaker put in my chest in October of 2012).
Frankly, I daresay that those among us who claim to be “persecuted” here in the States because of their “faith” have it all wrong. For it is THEY who desire to weild The Sword Of Persecution against those Not Of Their Kind.
In the name of The Prince Of Peace, they choose to unleash a “Holy War” that is far from Holy (but then again, what war truly is Holy to begin with?).
And it will be–if they get their wish–very bloody and very hellish.
Plus, there is no real chance that they will win. Indeed, all of America will lose if such a conflict was to commence…for there will be no “America” left to speak of.
You can either weild the Sword of Persecution–or face it’s point upon your knees.
You cannot do both…unless you are trying to take your own life.
A true Christian has nothing to fear…except their wayward bretheren who seek to bring about The Second Coming by any means necessary– including violence and bloodshed.
And that is something that The Rest Of Us need to fear.
–RKJ
okiefrom August 17th, 2014 at 1:40 am
I’ve served 55 years as a Christian minister, and am a liberal Democrat. “Persecution of Christians” in the U. S. is a manufactured fantasy. Don’t buy it.
veggiedude August 17th, 2014 at 9:39 am
Being conservative and being christian is an oxymoron. Jesus was a liberal.