August 20, 2014 2:30 pm -

To give you some perspective on how militarized and trigger happy our police departments are here in America, Darren Wilson, who shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown six to eight times,  fired more bullets than the entire British police force did last year.


[su_center_ad]The Economist reports:

Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012 the figure was just one. Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

The explanation for this gap is simple. In Britain, guns are rare. Only specialist firearms officers carry them; and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British police officer was killed by a firearm on duty was in 2012, in a brutal case in Manchester. The annual number of murders by shooting is typically less than 50.

Five Thirty Eight disputed the data, but added, “No matter how the numbers are counted, English and Welsh police officers fire guns much less frequently than do their American counterparts. Not every U.S. police agency reports discharge numbers.”

The use of deadly force should be the last alternative, not the first.

H/T: My BFF @ComgenKDT with thanks.

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D.B. Hirsch
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

116 responses to Ferguson Cop Who Killed Mike Brown Shot More Bullets Than The Entire British Police Force Did Last Year

  1. William August 20th, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Comparing apples to bowling balls.

    • Roctuna August 20th, 2014 at 2:37 pm

      How so?

      • William August 20th, 2014 at 2:48 pm

        America practically drips with guns, England does not, hence the chances of armed conflict in the UK is greatly reduced.

        • Roctuna August 20th, 2014 at 2:57 pm

          Agreed, but I think that was the point of the second paragraph.

          • William August 20th, 2014 at 3:11 pm

            Agreed. I have a good friend who is an officer in Scotland. Firearms are available, but usually accessed by a supervisor only.

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

            I made this comment once before, Sirhan, John Hinckley, Jack Ruby and mark david chapman were all subdued w/ a gun in their hand after firing shots and killing someone.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:42 pm

            So no guns for police? Is that what you are saying?

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

            I’m saying there are other options available rather than deadly force.

    • Dave Van Slyke August 20th, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      Comparing a sane country to an insane country.

  2. crc3 August 20th, 2014 at 2:43 pm

    That’s what this country gets for allowing the NRA to call the shots (so to speak)…

  3. Bob Cronos August 20th, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    And yet England has more violent crime than the U.S… Go figure…

    • Anomaly 100 August 20th, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Not deadly violence such as here.

      • Bob Cronos August 21st, 2014 at 2:03 am

        If you could keep the gang members from shooting each other here it would be less…

    • Abby Normal August 20th, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      I blame it on the fish and chips.

      • Bob Cronos August 21st, 2014 at 2:00 am

        You would..

    • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

      children and women are murdered everyday here by family members mostly involved guns. children and women are abducted, raped and murdered everyday here by strangers. “There is an average of 237,868 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.1U.S. Department of Justice. National Crime Victimization Survey. 2008-2012.” that’s violence.

  4. Suzanne McFly August 20th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    As “violent” as Ferguson has been portrayed, Michael Brown was the first murder there this year.

    • DD August 22nd, 2014 at 3:40 am

      Ferguson only has a population of 21,000 or so. I would hope it wasn’t a hotbed of murder. As far as how “violent” Ferguson has been, what do you deem to be violence? By “recently” do mean in the last few days or weeks or what? By police or citizens? At the very least, your statement is confusing.

      • Suzanne McFly August 22nd, 2014 at 2:43 pm

        Please explain to me how this is confusing to you….”Michael Brown was the first murder there this year.” And where do you see “recently”?

        • thefoxbox August 24th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

          It’s confusing because this article isn’t focusing on just that shooting. It’s focusing on an entire year and an entire country. Get the bigger picture instead of being stuck with your narrow world view.

          • Suzanne McFly August 25th, 2014 at 5:34 pm

            Buy a clue troll….Ferguson Cop Who Killed Mike Brown Shot More Bullets Than The Entire British Police Force Did Last Year

    • AZ_skier1 August 22nd, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      How do you know Mike Brown was Murdered? Were you there? Do you know something know one else knows?

      • thefoxbox August 24th, 2014 at 1:24 pm

        You are a moron. A justifiable shooting that kills someone even while on the job is still a homicide.

        • AZ_skier1 August 24th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

          Hmm, reading comprehension is not one of your strengths is it? I’ll try to explain it to you. Suzanne McFly said “Michael Brown was the first MURDER there this year.” MURDER…NOT, Homicide. So then I said…”How do you know Mike Brown was Murdered?”. A justifiable shooting that kills someone…IS NOT, MURDER! Maybe you should have someone smarter than you explain the difference.Who is the moron here?

  5. Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

    And as of 2011 Census statistics, Britain had 1.9 million Blacks (3% of population) and ‘Merica had 38.9 million (13% of the population). Since we are throwing out stats.

    • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 3:41 pm

      And your point is…………….?

      • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

        Well when you look at the large percentage of those killed by police (about 400 total per year) are black…

        • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

          So you’re so good w/stats tell us how many whites are subdued w/o the use of deadly force.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

            See my response to Abby Normal above. Blacks are the ones committing a highly disproportionate share of violent crimes in America. If someone has a gun, the police are going to fire their weapons back. No matter what the color of the shooter’s skin is.

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

            And you know that’s bogus, some idiot in Texas set up an ambush and fired his rifle at the responding officers, guess what….
            And in St Louis 1 of 2 officers responding to a call had his hand broken w/the perp, guess what, taken alive again.
            Black men are choked to death for selling loosies on the street.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:08 pm

            And the fact that you can name a specific instance where a white guy shot at police officers illustrates just how rare it is compared to the shootings from blacks. And let’s not forget about the Tea-wing nut job couple in Nevada.

            I live in the south and every night on the news there are many, many instances of black shootings. Look at where all the major handgun crime takes place. The cities. They all have a high percentage of black population. It is sad. And many, many generations of Americans of all races are to blame. I am not blind to the fact that blacks have been oppressed for a very long time.

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

            I can name them because they just happened, not because they are rare instances.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

            You are in denial then. Please Google gun violence by race.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

            And in case you are too lazy: In 2010 the rate of gun violence (per 100,000) for blacks was 14.6. Whites: 1.9. And since blacks make up 13% of the population as opposed to 72% of the population for whites, that is the most disproportionate share of anything in this world.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

            Now let’s extrapolate those figures onto actual population numbers. You will find that there approx. 44 times the amount of black gun violence than there are white.

            You still want to argue this issue?

          • trees August 21st, 2014 at 1:04 am

            It’s quite possibly the most frustrating aspect of race relations in our country today, the justification of criminal behavior. Many people in the inner city have a family member with a criminal record/mentality. Rather than address this, they instead choose to find fault and lay blame elsewhere….I’ve known elderly women who would sleep in their cast iron bathtub, reasoning that it afforded some protection from stray rounds, rather than sleep in their bed. They lived in daily fear, fear of the criminal element who lived in their midst and who would exchange gunfire with other criminals who would come from in from out of town for the purposes of committing robberies. These same guys, the guys lurking the hallways of the projects, were the guys who would help her carry her groceries upstairs, during the daylight hours….she knew them all by name. I knew them too, they’d sometimes ride in my cab.

            I’ll never forget the time I was driving down the street, and was stopped by an hysterical woman whose friend had just been shot in the head….

            He was conscious, sitting on the sidewalk with his shirt wadded up and pressed against the side of his head. He was clearly in shock, and every few moments he would pull the shirt away from the wound. When he did this the blood would spurt out, you could measure his heart beat by the flow of blood….his woman crying and carrying on hysterically…..then he would press the shirt back against his head….

            Nobody ever rallied a protest about it.

          • Anthony L Hemphill August 21st, 2014 at 10:49 am

            What does any of your “stats” have to do with the case?..stats can be easily stacked and biased and not take everything into account… I know this being married to a bio statistician…. Did brown have a weapon…aside from a hot cigar?

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:12 pm

            And I believe that this super capitalistic, survival of the fittest mentality of our economy will only make this worse. Look at the difference in public school resources between majority white vs. majority black neighborhoods. Why in the hell in America should poor children (who have no control of their situation) receive a worse education than a child from a wealth neighborhood?

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

            If someone has a what…………….



          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

            I’ve already destroyed your “gun violence is not disproportionate to blacks” argument… referring to the comment above though, my statement was about all shoots fired by police. Not this instance. And again, police shooting and killing an unarmed black is a very small percentage of the total shootings by police. (But we already know that you have no perception of proportions. See below.)

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:38 pm

            I never said anything about disproportionality of committed violence I said they were more likely to use deadly force against a person of color than a white.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

            “I can name them because they just happened, not because they are rare instances.”

            ^You said that. And if something is not rare, it is common. And based on the stats that I provided below (from the US DOJ) we know that gun violence among whites is not common.

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:49 pm

            Wow you almost had me believing you till you said that…../s

          • Anthony L Hemphill August 20th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

            Nice point

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 5:16 pm

            Jared Loughner w/an automatic pistol, James Holmes w/an assault rifle both taken alive.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

            Douglas Leguin shot at dallas cops and the FD with an AK-47 and he’s still aive.

          • Anthony L Hemphill August 20th, 2014 at 5:11 pm


          • Anthony L Hemphill August 20th, 2014 at 5:13 pm

            While White’s bomb daycares and churches and shoot up movie theaters.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 6:44 pm

            you clearly don’t know JACK.!!!

      • Suzanne McFly August 20th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        Point is white and its on top of his head I would assume

    • William August 20th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

      That’s nice..Guess what else?

      • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        So you would like to know the number and percentage of blacks in Germany?

        • Abby Normal August 20th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

          Not really, but I have a feeling you’re going to tell us.

          • Thats_True August 20th, 2014 at 3:54 pm

            It is low. The point really is that due to vast poverty, poor education, lack of dual parent households, etc., etc. (that are a product of segregation, slavery, oppression, etc., etc.) along with the insane availability of handguns in America, the black population is responsible for a disproportionate share of violent crimes that require police officers to fire their weapons.

        • William August 20th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

          Um…no..I think skin pigment is pretty much irrelevant.

        • R.J. Carter August 20th, 2014 at 3:56 pm


  6. NW10 August 20th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    FPD confirms that Wilson was shooting at Brown as he ran:

    • R.J. Carter August 20th, 2014 at 4:18 pm

      Now it will be up to Wilson and the FPD to articulate a stance that Wilson believed Brown had committed a violent felony. (Maybe like assaulting a police officer?)

      • NW10 August 20th, 2014 at 4:21 pm

        Assault doesn’t justify killing an unarmed black man. The police have mace and tasers for that, why wasn’t either used?

        • R.J. Carter August 20th, 2014 at 4:29 pm

          I don’t know. But if he can prove the stance — or convince the jury of it — the law justifies him.

          David Klinger, an associate professor in the department of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Missouri–St Louis and a former officer with the Los Angeles police department, said there are two permissible circumstances in which an officer can use lethal force.

          Constitutionally, a police officer can shoot a suspect who is threatening the life of the officer, a fellow officer or a member of the public, said Klinger, a use-of-force expert. This is known as the “defence of life” standard.

          An officer can also shoot a fleeing suspect if the officer believes the suspect has committed a violent felony and his or her escape would pose a significant and serious threat, he said.

          source: The Guardian

          • NW10 August 20th, 2014 at 4:35 pm

            Thing is, neither apply to the case of Brown. Brown was surrendering, and Wilson didn’t know and wasn’t aware of Brown stealing the cigarellos from the convenience store. And the fact that FPD admitted that Wilson did indeed shoot at Brown as he was running just gave the eyewitness accounts in Brown’s defense that much more weight.

          • R.J. Carter August 20th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

            Brown was surrendering according to one set of accounts. Other accounts disagree.

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

            It was reported in the NY Post that Wilson has a crushed eye socket and that was repeated on Fox News as well….


          • R.J. Carter August 20th, 2014 at 6:00 pm

            Because HIPAA.

          • thefoxbox August 24th, 2014 at 1:29 pm

            Or not. They can willingly release info if they get his clearance. In this situation that would have helped.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 6:40 pm

            last night it was reported by the ME who performed the autopsy with baden that it went in in a downward angle and ricochet off the jaw bone and exited then re-entered. my take on what came first… the 4 to the arms, then he’s starting to bend over, there’s your shot to the face, then the last shot to the top of the head, which was reported went straight down into the skull.

          • Roctuna August 20th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

            I just rewatched the Crenshaw video, which includes Wilson pacing back and forth looking at Brown’s body. His head and face are not crystal clear but there’s no appearance of any injury, much less a crushed eye socket. He doesn’t touch his face or even bring his hands near his head. Also the other officers do not offer any first aid to Wilson. That’s not consistent with a serious injury. Once more, key “evidence” comes out at just the proper time as the case builds to justify the shooting.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 7:28 pm

            the chief even said in a press conference that he didn’t know anything about any injuries to wilson. now, that press conference was made days after the shooting. so, why wouldn’t the chief know of his injuries first and foremost? because there were none.

          • Gary August 22nd, 2014 at 12:05 am

            Well, let’s fucking see him! I’m frankly a bit tired of all this back and forth when we don’t know enough. And why don’t we? Because the FPD did a miserable job of investigating and getting the info out. And the video I saw of Wilson over the body in the street didn’t appear to me to show a man with the injury as severe as a ‘crushed eye socket’ What I don’t understand tho, is why this has become such a red/blue issue. A kid is dead in the street. Doesn’t that bother righties even a little, regardless of the kid’s race?

          • Anthony L Hemphill August 20th, 2014 at 5:15 pm

            ….so his escape posed a threat to who?

          • edmeyer_able August 21st, 2014 at 6:11 pm

            no one what so ever.

          • Dave Anderson August 20th, 2014 at 5:53 pm

            Very rational post. You should be ashamed at how level headed you are. The facts. Yes just the facts.

        • Pistol-Packing August 20th, 2014 at 5:06 pm

          Who knew Brown was not armed, and be just attacked a police officer. Wilson was justified in firing his weapon as brown ran

          • edmeyer_able August 20th, 2014 at 5:14 pm

            No matter how you want to spin it Wilson handled the whole thing pretty badly, if he did indeed grab him thru the window or just backing his car so close to the teens.
            They were walking away from him and if he did have reason to believe he had just solved the “strong armed robbery” why didn’t he call for back up, would have taken 10 seconds.

          • Pistol-Packing August 20th, 2014 at 7:19 pm

            AND “IF” Brown actually assaulted Wilson???

          • edmeyer_able August 22nd, 2014 at 12:30 pm

            You still don’t shoot an unarmed person six times. Once again 10 seconds to call for back-up and grabbing him thru the window are the acts that precipitated the outcome.

          • Pistol-Packing August 22nd, 2014 at 1:36 pm

            here is where you drop the ball…
            1) You have already bought the story Hook, Line, And sinker that Wilson grabbed him through a window.. Ask yourself, what is the logic for a person in a seated position, to attempt to grab a person twice your size and attempt to bring that person to where you are the most vulnerable.

            2) “IF” (notice that key word) Brown had just punched him and assaulted him, You are going to get out of your car immediately and attempt to catch the suspect. And call for backup from a position where you have that person held at bay. Or in the process of the chase.

            3) You say you do not shoot an “Unarmed” person. “IF” (keyword again) that person had just assaulted you, you would automatically assume he is possibly armed and dangerous.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 6:36 pm

            Wilson grabbed brown first, which was
            unnecessary to begin with. And the
            police are not allowed to shoot someone running away from them. Especially when no one is shooting at them.

          • Pistol-Packing August 20th, 2014 at 7:17 pm

            Hmmmm, And you know this to be FACT that he grabbed him first, or are you just going a long with the narrative. Ask yourself, why would anybody grab somebody from a seated position and try to bring them into a space where you are the most vulnerable??

            And, Wrong, an officer can also shoot a fleeing suspect if the officer believes the suspect has committed a violent felony and his or her escape would pose a significant and serious threat.

            And “IF” Brown had indeed assaulted Wilson, that would put him into that category.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

            wilson didn’t know brown or about the incident at the store. get that through that thick skull of yours. geez. so there wasn’t a reason to believe he was a suspect in anything. and just because someone is a suspect, regardless if they are running you can’t shoot them in the da** back!

          • Pistol-Packing August 20th, 2014 at 8:19 pm

            HAHAHAHAHA, what is it that you dont understand or refuse to acknowledge. Do you lack the ability to understand that there was some form of scuffle. Whether Wilson pulled him into the car, or Brown leaned in and assaulted him.

            Or is that to THICK for you to comprehend??

          • Spirit of America August 22nd, 2014 at 7:02 am

            “wilson didn’t know brown or about the incident at the store”
            Not so sure about that… keep in mind the officer was called away from a sick call because of the robbery and a description was given out over radio of the alleged perps.
            My view is wait for a trial & all the facts. Jumping to a conclusion before that does no good and is just guessing.

        • trees August 20th, 2014 at 7:59 pm

          The unarmed man becomes an armed man if he wrestles the gun away from the officer.

          • Gary August 21st, 2014 at 11:58 pm

            Which he did not.

      • Anomaly 100 August 20th, 2014 at 4:26 pm

        My question: Whatever happened to stun guns and tazers?

        • trees August 20th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

          They have a place, but are limited in their application. The officer has to make a decision in real time. It’s possible that the decision to try and stun a violent assailant just wasn’t a practical choice, in this case.

          • whatthe46 August 20th, 2014 at 8:04 pm

            the only violent person in this scenario was wilson.

          • trees August 20th, 2014 at 8:07 pm

            And you know this, how?

          • Spirit of America August 22nd, 2014 at 6:57 am

            Tell that to Officer Wilson’s eye socket….

          • raincheck August 22nd, 2014 at 10:49 am

            The damage to Wilson’s eye socket brought on by violence is questionable… WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE?.. However the damage to Mr Browns eye socket leaves no doubt…

          • Spirit of America August 30th, 2014 at 9:32 am

            Very good question… that’s why I say wait for all the proven evidence to come out before getting inflamed or making judgements. The reported damage to the officer is as unproven(but reported) as is the eyewitness accounts.

            (sorry for delay in response, was outconus for a bit)

          • Obewon August 30th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

            There is plenty of video of the jaywalkers executioner Darren Wilson and not once does he rub his own eye socket, or display any pain, or any injury whatsoever while he paces about the the unarmed teenagers body admiring his 6+ shots including his fatal headshot! And we know no robbery was ever reported by the store, whose video shows Michael Brown paying for his $5 cigars….

          • raincheck August 30th, 2014 at 3:56 pm

            ” unproven(but reported)” EXACTLY!

          • Anomaly 100 August 20th, 2014 at 8:18 pm

            Sorry my friend but your assertion doesn’t hold water.

          • trees August 20th, 2014 at 8:21 pm

            It holds just as much water as yours does, dear.

          • Till Würfelzucker August 21st, 2014 at 6:54 am

            A policemen which is not capable to stop an unarmed assault without executing the opponent with half a magazine is poorly trained and dangerously unfit for duty.

          • ZiggyBob August 21st, 2014 at 3:38 pm

            He had already been brutally beaten by that thug

          • thefoxbox August 24th, 2014 at 1:26 pm

            That’s why they’re police officers in little towns… because they have no brains.

        • fancypants August 21st, 2014 at 5:09 pm

          it some or most cities the cops have to be shocked for about 10 seconds in order to carry a tazer. I guess this means the ferguson cops would rather be cowboys

    • ZiggyBob August 21st, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      wrong…..all shots from the front

  7. trees August 20th, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    “To give you some perspective on how militarized and trigger happy our police departments are here in America, Darren Wilson, who shot unarmed teenager Michael Brown six to eight times, fired more bullets than the entire British police force did last year.”

    Militarized and trigger happy? You reach this conclusion how, exactly? Oh, by comparing our country’s police with another, foreign country’s, police. Interesting. Just how did you decide which country to use for your comparison? You didn’t cherry pick it, did you? I find it interesting that you picked Britain, and not someplace else…

    Now, let’s continue, you claim that the officer shot an unarmed teenager, but what you failed to mention were the physical dimensions of the “teenager” and the mental state of the “teenager”, why’s that? Should we consider the physical stature and state of mind of this “teenager”? Could we use some surveillance footage from a convenience store in our quest to understand what happened? Could we get an idea of how this “teenager” behaves, or reacts, by watching this footage? Also, does this “teenager” have the ability to overpower a “man”? Further, if this teenager were to overpower a “man” with a gun, could we reasonably surmise that your teen posed an imminent threat? Does a police officer have a duty to apprehend felons? Would assaulting a police officer constitute a felony? Does an officer have the authority to discharge his weapon into a violent assailant?

    Is it irresponsible to try the case in the court of public opinion absent of any facts?

    • Till Würfelzucker August 21st, 2014 at 6:52 am

      Take any european or even “western” country that is not currently at war and the comparisons will be equally devastating concerning the triggerhappyness of the US police or rather the US population. Do you think that the average unarmed american teenager is so much more dangerous than a british teenager or a german teenager, or why don’t get teenagers in england and germany fatally shot by the police? More to the point is the US Policemen to stupid and to poorly trained to stop an unarmed assault without executing the opponent? I’d call that unfit for duty – dangerously unfit for duty.

      • ZiggyBob August 21st, 2014 at 3:35 pm

        …because they are not taught that “beatdowns” are an acceptable answer to conflict with police

    • Spirit of America August 22nd, 2014 at 6:55 am

      fbi 2012 stats:
      over 12 million arrests in US
      slightly over 400 fatal shootings by cops.
      For the most part, I’d say the cops are extremely restrained. Especially when compared to just Chicago:
      2000-2012 Ave murders per year: 517

  8. trees August 20th, 2014 at 7:58 pm

    From the article, “However, law enforcement officials say witnesses and forensic analysis have shown that Officer Wilson did sustain an injury during the struggle in the car.

    As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials.

    The first section is just a repeat of what Ferguson PD has been saying since the beginning, that Wilson and Brown struggled inside the car. Notably, none of the eyewitnesses confirm this story.

    However, the second paragraph quoted above makes it very clear that officer Wilson was firing his weapon at Michael Brown as he ran away — in other words, even though law enforcement officials say he didn’t hit Brown or Johnson, he was indeed shooting at Brown’s back.

    That’s a confirmation of one of the crucial bits of eyewitness information, and an explanation for the initial reports that Brown was “shot in the back” — because Wilson did try to shoot him in the back. And that’s not supposition any more; it’s the direct word from law enforcement.”


    What’s interesting is that, according to the above, a re-enactment could be as follows….

    Michael Brown commits felony battery against officer Wilson, while Wilson is seated in the vehicle. Michael Brown, after smashing Wilson’s face and breaking the orbital socket, flees, and a dazed Wilson steps out and commences firing at the fleeing Brown. All shots but one miss Brown, with the one lone shot striking Brown in the forearm. Brown turns, and is enraged, much like many wounded creatures become enraged when injured in an altercation….

    Brown begins advancing toward the dazed Wilson, who still is discharging his weapon….

    Brown takes additional nonlethal bullets into his arm and shoulder, further enraging him, and Brown begins to rush his assailant, the police officer….

    To this point there has been no, “stopping shot”, the injured Brown is pumped on adrenalin and is pissed, he is coming after his agitator…

    The officer steady’s his weapon and adjusts his aim…

    The next two shots find their mark, one in the face of Michael Brown, the other into the top of Brown’s head, as Brown begins falling forward.

    Brown is dead before he hits the ground.

    There is some audio, a recording that was made in the immediate aftermath, that seems to give credence to this version of events.

  9. Obewon August 20th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    The pro summary execution 89% White GOP won’t recover from advocating NRA guns for paranoid cons, but only if the shooter is anglo.

    • trees August 20th, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      Meanwhile, “kids” in the inner cities continue to shoot each other.

  10. trees August 20th, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    Here’s how absurd this line of thought is, this, “Ferguson cop shoots more bullets in a day than England did last year”

    Why did these cops fire so many bullets? Were they trigger happy? Why did they need machine guns, anyway? Makes the Michael Brown shooting look pretty tame, by comparison…. Did they shoot these two because of their race?

    • trees August 20th, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      Whoops, my bad, no machine guns were used in the gunning down…

      “According to statements made by Ted Hinton and Bob Alcorn:

      “Each of us six officers had a shotgun and an automatic rifle and pistols. We opened fire with the automatic rifles. They were emptied before the car got even with us. Then we used shotguns … There was smoke coming from the car, and it looked like it was on fire. After shooting the shotguns, we emptied the pistols at the car, which had passed us and ran into a ditch about 50 yards on down the road. It almost turned over. We kept shooting at the car even after it stopped. We weren’t taking any chances.”

      • trees August 20th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Interesting stuff, here is an account of what happened at the scene when a crowd had developed….

        Word of the ambush quickly got around when Hamer, Jordan, Oakley, and Hinton drove into town to telephone their respective bosses. A crowd soon gathered at the ambush spot. Gault and Alcorn, left to guard the bodies, lost control of the jostling curious; one woman cut off bloody locks of Parker’s hair and pieces from her dress, which were subsequently sold as souvenirs. Hinton returned to find a man trying to cut off Barrow’s trigger finger, and was sickened by what was occurring.[108] Arriving at the scene, the coroner said he saw the following:

        “… nearly everyone had begun collecting souvenirs such as shell casings, slivers of glass from the shattered car windows, and bloody pieces of clothing from the garments of Bonnie and Clyde. One eager man had opened his pocket knife, and was reaching into the car to cut off Clyde’s left ear.”[117]

        The coroner enlisted Hamer for help in controlling the “circus-like atmosphere”, and got people away from the car.


        Large crowds are interesting things, they take on a life of their own and can be almost impossible to control…….

  11. greenfloyd August 21st, 2014 at 2:20 am

    This is a stunning comparison. Here in America the massive proliferation of guns is a major factor, though certainly not the only one. From what I gather British Law Enforcement is much more closely integrated with the Public Health and Social Services. I think they also embrace the Community Policing model, walk beats and interact daily with local businesses and residents, attend local meetings. This builds trust and reinforces civil authority, especially if the officers also live in the community.

    Places like Ferguson, given the political labyrinth that is St. Louis, Missouri and life on the Mississippi face a daunting challenge. Although it was encouraging to see some of the local activists registering voters and St. Louis PD offering “job training” in the aftermath of another fatal shooting involving a young black man and a “not black” officer…

  12. ZiggyBob August 21st, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    …. and maybe if they had used their firearms more that soldier who was beheaded by those Islamic savages would still be alive

  13. Charles August 22nd, 2014 at 8:20 am

    Was the local officer in fear for his life after taking the beating he had?

  14. Paul August 28th, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    Are you mentally challenged?
    Cops in England don’t carry guns….. That’s why they don’t shoot bullets.

    • deb November 26th, 2014 at 5:28 pm

      Citiizens in England arent allowed to own guns either unless it is for a very very good reason. In fact they think americans are nuts agruing about their gun rights all the time. Canada is the same way and they say if the guns are in their country they most likely came from the U.S.

  15. deb November 26th, 2014 at 5:29 pm

    Good thing half these people werent around when the feds got bonnie and clyde.