Bad News For Darren Wilson: More Witnesses Recall Michael Brown Shooting
Some of the claims by witnesses of Michael Brown’s fatal shooting by a Ferguson police officer were of the cop chasing the unarmed teen on foot and shooting him as he ran away, just before firing a barrage of fatal shots after Brown had turned around with his hands up.
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Most of those claims came from people that lived near Michael Brown, but there are also two outsiders who were working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9th — two men who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work, then witnessed the shooting. Their stories of what happened on that day, matches other eyewitness accounts.
The following two accounts were told to the St. Louis Dispatch.
One of the men agreed to share his account with a Post-Dispatch reporter on the condition that his name and employer not be used.
The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.
His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.
But his account does little to clarify perhaps the most critical moment of the confrontation, on which members of the grand jury in St. Louis County may focus to determine whether the officer was justified in using lethal force: whether Brown moved toward Wilson just before the fatal shots, and if he did, how aggressively.
The devil is in the details. Another worker recalls the shooting.
About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.
The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, “OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.” He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded….
Wilson, gun drawn, also stopped about 10 feet in front of Brown, the worker said.
Then Brown moved, the worker said. “He’s kind of walking back toward the cop.” He said Brown’s hands were still up.
The worker said that Wilson began backing up as he fired.
Brown’s hands started going down after the third shot, then he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing.
According to that worker who witnessed the shooting from about 30 feet away, he couldn’t tell if Brown’s motion toward Wilson after the shots was “a stumble to the ground” or “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me.”
The paper notes that Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown’s, said he was walking with him when Wilson approached them on Canfield and told them to get off the street. Then Brown started “to tell the officer he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting.” According to Johnson, Brown had begun to get down when the officer shot him.
Johnson also told MSNBC that Wilson began shooting before Brown “could get his last words out.”
Another witness who lives nearby, Michael T. Brady, 32, told CNN that Brown turned with his hands under his stomach. He also said Brown took one or two steps toward Wilson as he was going down when Wilson fired three or four more times.
Piaget Crenshaw, who lives in the Canfield apartments, and Tiffany Mitchell, her boss, were in different places in the complex. Crenshaw told CNN that Brown didn’t move toward Wilson. In several statements to reporters, neither has mentioned Brown moving toward Wilson….
Phillip Walker, 40, another Canfield Green resident, told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday that Brown was walking at a steady pace toward Wilson, with his hands up. “Not quickly,” Walker said. “He did not rush the officer.” Walker, who is distantly related to a Post-Dispatch reporter not involved in this report, said the last shot, into the top of Brown’s head, was from about 4 feet away.
“It wasn’t justified because he didn’t pose no threat to the officer. I don’t understand why he didn’t Tase him if he deemed him to be hostile. He didn’t have no weapon on him. I was confused on why he was shooting his rounds off like that into this individual,” Walker said.
There are other accounts which are detailed in the Dispatch’s article.
The worker interviewed by the paper disputed claims by Darren Wilson’s defenders that Brown was running full speed at the officer.
“I don’t know if he was going after him or if he was falling down to die,” he said. “It wasn’t a bull rush.” That incident report which Darren Wilson was required to fill out would have come in really handy right now.
According to the autopsy,the 18-year-old was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. On recordings, at least 10 shots can be heard which were fired at Michael Brown.
H/T; Friend of LL, Edward Meyer, with thanks.
Image: Mashable.
M D Reese September 6th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
No doubt the local police never bothered to interview anyone who was actually there. I’m looking forward to the Federal investigation results.
mea_mark September 6th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
When you don’t want the truth to get out and you have your own narrative, you have what is happening now. The truth coming out slowly, from all sorts of places.
granpa.usthai September 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
founding fathers referred to it as ‘fatiguing the people into submission’. Works pretty well as long as you’re in a color code red or orange day.
M D Reese September 7th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
I’ve seen it over and over. They don’t seem to learn. What they’ve done just made it worse.
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
It’s been a month now. I’m starting to feel like I saw the whole incident, too, and I was never there.
tiredoftea September 6th, 2014 at 3:53 pm
The more we learn, the more it looks like Officer Wilson unjustifiably killed Mr. Brown in cold blood.
Linda1961 September 6th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
I wonder what Darren Wilson’s frame of mind was when he killed Mike Brown in cold blood. It would be good to know if there were things going on in his life that made him overreact to a couple of guys jaywalking, and he took out his frustrations on an unarmed teenager, who was giving himself up.
BTW, if that is the case – Wilson was reacting to things in his own life, and took it out on Mike Brown, then he has no business being a police officer.
mea_mark September 6th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
I expect that Wilson is going to end up using the temporary insanity defense. There is a reason he didn’t turn in a report and is saying nothing. He is waiting to see what dirt on him gets dug up and then will adjust his case accordingly.
edmeyer_able September 6th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
That defense has been used successfully in the past by other LEO’s.
I firmly believe wilson won’t go to trial and will be writing a novel. Too bad Truman Capote has used the title already though……..
IN COLD BLOOD
juicyfruityyy September 6th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
How about: THE EXECUTION OF A JAY-WALKER
granpa.usthai September 6th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
like most armed WHITE people, he probably already had his mind up the moment he took chase. Trayvon Martin fought back against an armed white child murdering thug who stalked him down and was shot dead for it. Michael Brown, using the sign language human beings have used since the beginning for surrender and offering no ‘raging drug induced ranting’ was shot dead several times over. When armed white folks want to kill a ‘lesser color’ human being they will always have an unlimited excuse. One of the reasons the Government of North Korea now justly refers to US as the ‘GRAVEYARD OF HUMAN RIGHTS’.
crc3 September 7th, 2014 at 10:18 am
I laugh every time someone talks about pot smokers being aggressive. I guess they are if you consider smokers “ripping” bags of chips open to eat them…LOL
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Only a cowardly Klansman killer would execute an unarmed teenager for jaywalking. …Wilson began backing up as he fired. Brown’s hands started going down after the 3rd shot, then he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and fired 8 more shots! Hours of Darren Wilson on video show 00.00% injury and absolutely no orbital socket damage.
JewelWaters September 6th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Read the entire witness statement from the source:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
These
witnesses stated Brown continued moving TOWARD officer. If Brown were
surrendering he would have stopped moving. Even violent criminals
attacking have their hands “up”.
They also state that Brown was
HIGH … his long, illogical, incoherent ramblings to strangers +
viloent assault/robbery prove this 6’4”300lb adult male was NOT
mentally sane.
Brown had also, without provocation, just
violently assaulted a peaceful storekeeper (whom he robbed), and an
officer, who was defenseless sitting in his car.
After
—several VERBAL WARNINGS,
–several non-contact WARNING SHOTS, and
–several NON-LETHAL warning shots,
Brown still refused to get on the ground, and kept approaching officer Wilson whom he had recently VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED.
When DRUGGED, VIOLENT CRIMINALS are attacking, their hands are also “up” – no matter their melanin levels (i.e., “color”).
If
Brown’s intention was to surrender, he would have followed instructions
to get on the ground, and he would NOT have moved toward officer
Wilson.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
If there were a robbery then why didn’t any store employee report it to the PD? A: because your Rusty the racist puppet sources are well proven full of crap.
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
We know there was a robbery. We saw it on video.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
We also saw Michael Brown paying for his $5 worth of cigars.
You think summary execution of your family member ‘suspected’ of stealing is lawful? Even in Saudi Arabia they give you a trial!
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
No we didn’t. We were told that’s what we were supposed to see, but anyone watching the video cannot truthfully say they saw cash or credit ever exchanged over that counter.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
Payment was very clearly tendered from Michael Brown’s pocket, and paid to the cashier at the counter. Even the PD Chief admits Darren Wilson had no knowledge of any alleged robbery -in stopping Michael Brown for ‘jaywalking.’
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Tell me the second his hand went into his pocket.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Do you watch Fox TV or ABC News? If so then why haven’t you seen the payment on video televised?
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
I saw the video posted right here. I and others stated multiple times that his hands never went into his pockets, money/creditcard was never extended, and he walked out as cashier came around the corner to stop him — end of video.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Here’s the grainy payment video http://www.alan.com/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-video-backfires-brown-seen-paying-for-cigarillos/ Here’s the PD Lie about why they released the video. “Nobody else was charged”-PD Chief (Note: I’ve never heard of Michael Brown being charged with any robbery, and no store employee ever reported a ‘robbery’-as claimed by the PD Chief.) http://www.alan.com/2014/09/05/report-ferguson-police-chief-lied-about-michael-brown-surveillance-tape/ And http://www.alan.com/?s=Michael+Brown+video&x=0&y=0
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Saw all those. My comments on that first video still stand: he didn’t pay. The headline is false.
juicyfruityyy September 6th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
He wasn’t executed because of some alleged incident in the store. The Police Chief said that Wilson was not aware that this had occurred. He was stopped and gun-downed for jay-walking,
whatthe46 September 6th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
even though there was no report? c’mon. really?
mea_mark September 6th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
The video itself is inconclusive without eyewitness testimony from the clerk. When this goes to trial and the testimony is given, then we can determine if this was a robbery or theft or something else.
For all we know Brown promised to come back and pay for the amount he was short later.
NW10 September 6th, 2014 at 5:20 pm
It’s also been revealed that Police Chief Jackson lied about the release of that video.
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
Yes, and I don’t know why he bothered. He could and should have simply said, “Here’s everything we have regarding Mr. Brown that isn’t a sealed record.”
edmeyer_able September 6th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
IMO……It’s the chiefs MO, he’s operated this way a long time.
Kick Frenzy September 6th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
I’ll agree that I don’t see any payment in the 2nd video, but I also am not convinced there was a robbery.
The video doesn’t prove either one.
For instance, to me, it looks like he probably had already given some money to the cashier (we’re half-way through the original video when the linked video starts), then tried to grab the whole display pack instead of whatever his cash was supposed to cover.
In his grabby motion, he ends up spilling them on the ground… his friend picks some up and puts them on the counter and Mike puts the box on the counter, too.
Then he grabs the ones left on the floor and goes to leave.
The cashier comes out to say “Hey man, you gave me this money but it’s not enough to cover your handfuls there.”
To which Mike responds with a shove, possibly thinking he’s done no wrong… miscalculating what he paid and what he was supposed to take due to having smoked pot.
I know I’m making a lot of leaps, but that’s what it seems like to me… not a robbery, just a stoner trying to manage to get in and out of a store, but failing to do so gracefully.
mea_mark September 6th, 2014 at 7:43 pm
Just to make sure it is noted. The clerk put his hands on Brown first and Brown responded. Which would indicate it is not assault or robbery since Brown is not the one instigating physical aggression. To me, it looks like petty theft.
Tammy Minton Haley September 7th, 2014 at 9:53 am
my understanding, is that mike was “short” on his funds to buy the swishers–these two people knew each other, that’s the neighborhood store, i’d bet real money that michael brown had been “short” on a box of swishers before, and that’s what the tussle was over–again, neighborhood store, knew each other…
why else, after a “robbery”, would a kid NOT get out of the street when a cop said to?? because, in his head, he had NOT just “robbed” that store…he knew he had to go back, and finish paying for the swishers…
we won’t go into why he needed a whole box of swishers, and how he was going to make $ off them–it is irrelevant, and speculative, and in reality, unknown…to me, to the police, and to the racist bastards desperately justifying this blatant murder of a citizen…
mea_mark September 7th, 2014 at 11:09 am
I hadn’t heard that yet, but from watching the video that is what it looked like to me. That narrative at least easily fits into the evidence that is presented so far.
Tammy Minton Haley September 7th, 2014 at 11:53 am
i know, right? it just makes so much…sense, to me–after living in communities like Mike’s neighborhood, i just KNOW that’s just what happened…i just feel it, i know it…
Tammy Minton Haley September 7th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
i missed my calling as an attorney…for really real…
crc3 September 7th, 2014 at 10:08 am
Inconclusive video imo…
mea_mark September 6th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
Do you really believe all that BS?
R.J. Carter September 6th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
We can’t pick and choose our eyewitnesses. We expect 20 people to deliver 20 stories. Why be upset that we’re only getting 2?
granpa.usthai September 6th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
why not? – it’s probably the official response from the Aryan Compound.
Roctuna September 6th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
You’re sick
juicyfruityyy September 6th, 2014 at 7:54 pm
It is hard to be shot on top of the head while standing. He was on his knees. Wilson, has not been arrested. If his story was solid and with-out malice. He would have written that incident report. If I am innocent. I’m going to tell my story. Instead, his corrupt PD, allowed him to run and hide.
Axekick September 7th, 2014 at 2:58 am
I read the story entirely, twice and have since concluded you lied about every single point you stated above.
Some of us already know the facts because we follow important stories as they’re reported. So when someone tries to blow smoke up our butts we know it but will prove it. I challenge everyone to read the link you provided themselves and see if a single claim of yours can be substantiated.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
Axekick September 7th, 2014 at 3:09 am
Nowhere did anyone mention Brown was high, long, illogical incoherent ramblings to strangers + THERE WAS NO VIOLENT ASSAULT !!! There was no robbery or assault, the store’s attorney stated that shortly after this happened.
There were NO verbal warnings,
No warning shots,
(what is a non-lethal warning shot, one that misses and hits the arm?)
All warning shots are non lethal imbecile, they are warning shots fired
into the air or more safely into the ground.
I’m white, from St. Louis, not Ferguson or very close to Ferguson. I thought the initial racism cries were over the top but in following this story and comments like yours they are spot-on accurate. Why else would someone blatantly lie about a lethal situation between two people which they did not know personally?
HellOnWheelz September 7th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
What I found MOST telling about the Ferguson PD were the incidents that sparked the protests that night.
The neighborhood had put up a memorial (candles and teddy bears) at the spot where the youth died. Ferguson PD cars repeatedly and on purpose drove THROUGH the memorial. A Ferguson PD brought his K-9 over to pee on the memorial. An alderman of the 21st ward was witness to these actions.
If that is not provocation, I must be living in a different world.
Axekick September 7th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Exactly, not to mention the police and media’s inability to differentiate between protests and riots. This notion that people cannot gather(especially brown people) because it creates an unsafe environment is ludicrous. If they cared about those peoples safety the police wouldn’t have been digging missed bullets out of the buildings after they murdered Michael Brown.
I’ve felt all along that the police were trying to provoke those protesting so they could then be televised as if they were out of control. I still feel that was their plan and it backfired big time because EVERYONE was videoed and televised.
Thanks to some investigation from members of Anonymous and others who made some interesting discoveries. When I researched the Ferguson Police Chief’s history in Ferguson he had only been chief since 2010. Prior to that he was St. Louis County Police Chief but retired after 30+ years with that department. Yet he told the media that he transferred the investigation to St. Louis County PD so people would be assured it was conducted fairly and without bias. Being their former police Chief and having 30 years in that department he would still basically run their operation, by proxy, should he choose to.
Also someone turned on a webcam in the St. Louis County Chief’s home which revealed a normal rather bland beige walled room as is typical in many of our suburbs with one glaring difference – a confederate flag hanging on the wall.
fahvel September 7th, 2014 at 3:45 am
when one is stupid one should hold their tongue.
raincheck September 7th, 2014 at 9:16 am
“long, illogical, incoherent ramblings to strangers” …fits you perfectly
Tammy Minton Haley September 7th, 2014 at 9:41 am
go away…you have no power here
crc3 September 7th, 2014 at 10:04 am
YOU don’t know jack sh*t!
JewelWaters September 6th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
Read the entire witness statement from the source:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
These witnesses stated Brown continued moving TOWARD officer. If Brown were
surrendering he would have stopped moving. Even violent criminals attacking have their hands “up”.
They also state that Brown was HIGH … his long, illogical, incoherent ramblings to strangers + viloent assault/robbery prove this 6’4”300lb adult male was NOT
mentally sane.
Brown had also, without provocation, just violently assaulted a peaceful storekeeper (whom he robbed), and an officer, who was defenseless sitting in his car.
Brown still refused to get on the ground, and kept approaching officer Wilson whom he had recently VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED. after
—several VERBAL WARNINGS,
–several non-contact WARNING SHOTS, and
–several NON-LETHAL warning shots,
When DRUGGED, VIOLENT CRIMINALS are attacking, their hands are also “up” – no matter their melanin levels (i.e., “color”).
If Brown’s intention was to surrender, he would have followed instructions to get on the ground, and he would NOT have moved toward officer Wilson.
JewelWaters September 6th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
If Brown’s intention was to surrender, he would have followed instructions to get on the ground, and he would NOT have moved toward officer Wilson.
NW10 September 6th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
In a sane world, Officer Darren Wilson would be in jail right now, because there is enough probable cause to arrest him.
granpa.usthai September 6th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
I think it reasonable to assume that when China starts listening to North Korea’s accusations of the USA Human Rights Violations, the debate of the sanity of this world could be questioned.
Ernesto DelMundo September 6th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
“His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.”
If Wilson shot at Brown as Brown was fleeing, with his back turned…WILSON BROKE THE LAW AND MUST BE INDICTED. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
“But his account does little to clarify perhaps the most critical moment of the confrontation, on which members of the grand jury in St. Louis County may focus to determine whether the officer was justified in using lethal force:”
Wrong!! The main thing is that Officer Wilson broke the law by shooting at a fleeing suspect, as these two additional witnesses have confirmed. It doesn’t even matter if the suspect turned around after that. WILSON BROKE THE LAW BY SHOOTING AT A FLEEING, UNARMED PERSON!!
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker September 6th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
Arrest this cop for murder/manslaughter and let him have due process.
It’s pretty simple actually, unless the police department has something to hide.
Obewon September 6th, 2014 at 7:00 pm
Their Klan infested PD has plenty to hide. Including their debunked bogus photo that does not show Ferguson Cop Darren Wilson’s Injuries; It’s Not Even Him! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/04/darren-wilson-injury-photo-ferguson_n_5768510.html
whatthe46 September 6th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
i’ve made the comment before (no need to repost its entirety) about the contact lens effect with hair in eye. anyone believing that this bastard was able to connect 6 times (2 to the head at 35ft) with an injury to the eye like that, doesn’t have the common sense GOD gave a billy goat. do they not understand the amount of pain with those injuries he would have been in? he would have been wailling like a baby, holding his face and calling for backup. lying bastards!!!!!
whatthe46 September 6th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
aside from that, the chief would have shown that picture the very same night on FOX!!!
Tammy Minton Haley September 7th, 2014 at 9:37 am
it’s a motocross guy, after a crash, is what i heard…is that correct? it is not wilson…
crc3 September 7th, 2014 at 10:02 am
Correct..
fahvel September 7th, 2014 at 3:43 am
with a representative jury from the community of peers.
juicyfruityyy September 6th, 2014 at 7:46 pm
The shooting was excessive. If Wilson was so worried/scared. He would have done like some cops. Called for back-up.
whatthe46 September 6th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
when you have a license to kill, kill first then pretendto be afraid later.
edmeyer_able September 6th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
More words from the witness……
whatthe46 September 6th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
“Released on $10,000 Bond? Man Who Scrawled ‘KKK Wants You to Burn’, Doused Home With Gas Is Free”
Anomaly100 check out this story: can’t you post it on this site?
allison1050 September 7th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Amazing isn’t it.
Truth Seeker September 6th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
In other witness news – SHOCKING – Corrected JJ Witness Video Transcription!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxTrLz8EqTc
Wayout September 7th, 2014 at 11:08 am
Dateline Springfield Missouri: White couple viciously attacked by several black men. Dateline Kansas City Missouri: Elderly white couple viciously attacked in their own home and 3 others killed by black man.
Where is the AG Holder on these racist hate crimes? Al Sharpton? Jesse?