4 Pit Bulls Attack Animal Control Officers
[su_right_ad]Four Pit Bulls attacked four Oklahoma City animal control officers after one of them went to investigate a dog bite to a juvenile.
When [the first officer] arrived, the dogs came from “out of nowhere,” said Trace Lyons with Oklahoma City’s Animal Welfare Division, as she described how the dogs charged out of the property and attacked the officer, biting him on the legs, stomach and back..
.“They all got pretty aggressive,” a witness told News 9.
The officer contacted his supervisor who came out to assist, but the Pit Bulls also attacked him. He was bitten as soon as he got out of his vehicle, according to NewsOn6.
The officers stated they could not tell for sure which dogs were responsible for which bites because they operated as a pack in the surprise attacks.
Officials said both animal control employees will recover and the juvenile who was bitten the day before suffered only minor injuries.
All four dogs were impounded and will be quarantined for ten days at the animal welfare facility and observed for signs of rabies.[su_csky_ad]
rg9rts October 13th, 2014 at 9:25 am
A wonderful illustration of the pack mentality just like the cops
crc3 October 13th, 2014 at 9:59 am
I love most dogs but pit bulls are devil dogs and need to be eliminated from the planet. I don’t want to hear “they are sweet around us” or “we’ve never had a problem with ours”. Facts don’t lie…they are too vicious to be in society. Maybe we should send them to the Middle East to fight wars?
Glen October 13th, 2014 at 10:13 am
Facts don’t lie, but statistics frequently do. You’ve committed the classic error of confusion correlation with causation. Indeed, in this case, you have cause and effect backwards.
Pit Bulls aren’t naturally evil in any way. But people who want to train their dogs to be violent and aggressive tend to get pit bulls because they associate them with viciousness. And thus they perpetuate the myth.
A dog’s temperament is almost entirely a matter of training and treatment. You can train a chihuahua in a way that makes it aggressive and violent. What we need to do is eliminate people who mistreat dogs, and people who train dogs to be violent (for no good reason), from the planet.
Candide Thirtythree October 13th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Only people who do not understand genetics and selective breeding say that.
You can’t train a Chihuahua to be the size of a Great Dane because it was bred for one trait, to be small… any other traits that the breed has is just incidental to the selective breeding and inbreeding done to get the small stature.
Pits were bred for one trait and one trait only…aggression… they were bred for fighting in dog fight ‘pits’
Aggression is in their DNA just as much as curly hair is in a poodle’s DNA.
jo October 13th, 2014 at 10:56 am
Dogs are dogs, My relative was attacked by a Saint Bernard , ripped the back of her head open, it’s not the breed… Inbreeding is the worse thing you can do and many Pit Bulls are inbred for fighting,..
M D Reese October 13th, 2014 at 11:39 am
True, and it’s a “breed” that should be allowed to die out.
Ayn Awnemus October 13th, 2014 at 12:21 pm
Slippery slope. If that happened then you’d be saying same thing about rottweilers, and then the next breed that bites most often, and then the next, and so on, and so on.
Just because one breed of dog bites more often and kills more often than other breeds of dogs, doesn’t necessarily mean it should be banned/made extinct.
M D Reese October 13th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
This particular manipulated breed should be. Humans created it to kill, and humans should neuter and spay any remaining pit bulls and call it done. The dogs that remain can live out their lives unless they prove themselves to be dangerous.
uzza October 13th, 2014 at 10:27 am
Police shoot a peekapoo in fear for their lives, while Animal Control Officers can impound an entire pack of pit bulls even after they’ve attacked and mauled them.
M D Reese October 13th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Now here come the pit bull apologists. This is a “breed” that was bred pretty much for one thing. I’ve seen what they can do and I stay away from them.
Bunya October 13th, 2014 at 2:21 pm
They key word here is “bred”. These dogs, through no fault of their own, are bred to be vicious. The people who are responsible for giving this dog a bad attitude and a bad reputation are the breeders.
Candide Thirtythree October 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Yep and they have been breeding them for over 100 years for dog fighting.
Julieveggie October 14th, 2014 at 5:42 pm
Yep. There are 400 breeds of dogs about a dozen have the power to kill people. What sets pit bull attacks from others is they don’t let go. That’s how you can tell the difference from other breeds. Like in this video.:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZTiGWgQubA
Candide Thirtythree October 13th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
EXACTLY! the only trait they bred for was aggression.
They needed the most vicious dogs that they could get to fight in dog fighting ‘pits’ that is where they get the name and over the years, the breed has only gotten more vicious because of ‘selective breeding’.
I do not know why this is so hard for people to understand, it is taught in 8th grade science classes but for some reason people just chose to ignore science when it comes to something that they want to believe.
mea_mark October 15th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
I recommend this for a clear perspective https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
Candide Thirtythree October 20th, 2014 at 4:22 am
I recommend for a clear perspective not using a link to a site that has a HUGE motive to lie and try an EDUCATION… Biology 101. If you don’t believe in science then just say so.
mea_mark October 20th, 2014 at 10:17 am
Not all dogs are breed to be a single breed, there is a lot of cross breeding going on. Calling an animal that looks like a pit bull and attributing negative characteristics to it without knowing what kinda breed it really is, is pre-judgementalism without the science and facts. Dogs have temperaments like people do, there may be trends breed into certain breeds but it does mean all dogs of that breed have those attributes. Biology 101. I like to judge based on actions, not suppositions.
Candide Thirtythree October 23rd, 2014 at 5:53 am
Stop defending pit bulls, it will only get more people killed or maimed. Let them fall out of favor like Dobermans did.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am
They need to quarantine the owners along with the dogs.
Candide Thirtythree October 13th, 2014 at 2:18 pm
To get a Chihuahua the breeders chose the smallest dogs from each litter and bred them together, then the smallest from those litters and bred them together and they kept doing it until only tiny dogs remained.
Now if your idea that just loving a dog enough will change its DNA works, then why are there no giant Chihuahuas?
Pits were bred from the most aggressive dogs that the breeders could find and they kept breeding only the most aggressive dogs until they got a pit.
So while you will occasionally find a Chihuahua that is a little larger than average you cannot claim that is a trait of the whole breed…. just like you can’t claim a single nice pit is indicative of the breed.
Julieveggie October 14th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
I agree. A pit-bull breeder admitted on Villalobos Rescue Center’s post that was he breeds for human aggression: “Folks Pit Bull Strains: I have been breeding for guard dogs for 27 yrs, (20yrs apbt/am.bully mix/staff) and pit terriers(not bullys) love to fight ya just cant breed it out , 5 generations later no breeding for dog aggression or gameness just human aggression and looks. I have the best family/property guard dogs you can get but the males will still try to kill each other, especially when females are in heat.” Most pit-bulls types come primarily from unethical backyard breeders who are trying to breed aggression, not good temperaments. Often, their dogs are the product of reject pits purchased from dog fighters as cheap stock. So with the pool of pit bulls we have, you cannot tell the difference between a cold one and one that might snap. (unprovoked aggression). So basically people who have pits are playing Russian Roulette against our communities. Here is a clip about unethical backyard pitbull breeders: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiZOj9o6jpE
Candide Thirtythree October 20th, 2014 at 4:33 am
Thank you, some people will not even believe their own eyes and ears and that is scary. It is such an easy concept to learn that little kids can learn about genetic traits and selective breeding in middle school but some adults just refuse to acknowledge basic science.
Jones October 14th, 2014 at 8:11 pm
American Pit Bull Terriers used as therapy dogs regularly visit people in need of companionship in private homes and more often in hospitals, senior centers/care and housing facilities, and rehabilitation centers. The ‘job’ of a therapy dog is to be a non-demanding companion who brings love and appreciation to the patient, often a lonely elder or person who has experienced a damaging emotional trauma. As both the APBT and the therapy participant have similar needs, a void is filled with these useful service dogs. American Pit Bull Terriers used as therapy dogs are said to have an uncanny knack of identifying a person who is hurting physically or emotionally, and staying with that person throughout the session or sessions. Participants in APBT dog therapy programs report great satisfaction, often saying they just cannot wait until their pal comes back to visit again.
Candide Thirtythree October 20th, 2014 at 4:30 am
Blah blah blah… that has nothing to do with science, it is just blind trust and it does not always turn out well.
http://www.yakimaherald.com/home/2148296-8/pit-bull-service-dog-attacks-three-people-in
There are dozens of those stories on the internet and probably hundreds that never make it to the news. and it is almost always the innocent who are hurt or killed.
I am sorry that you cannot understand something so simple as selective breeding, it has been done with plants and animals for thousands of years. You should be capable of understanding something taught in middle school but you choose not to. People are killed and maimed because of the willful ignorance of this subject and that is unconscionable.
Jones October 20th, 2014 at 5:00 am
So you can use google to find the one out of a million pit therapy dogs that was aggressive.
A story in the San Francisco Weekly (“Service with A Snarl”) describes Tita, a Chihuahua service dog who helps a man named Charles Esler deal with bipolar disorder. A happy, feel-good story, except for one thing: Tita bites. Tita regularly chases and lunges after people in public parks. She snarled and barked at a guard at the Social Security Administration. She bit Esler’s primary care provider. And during SF Weekly’s interview with Esler? She bit the reporter.
Candide Thirtythree October 20th, 2014 at 5:24 am
So you CAN’T use Google and find out that HUNDREDS are dangerous?
Tita does not have the ability to kill anyone, she is Chihuahua FFS, just how stupid are you?
If you don’t know the difference between a Chihuahua and a pit bull then something is seriously wrong with you!
Jones October 20th, 2014 at 7:06 am
The point was that any service dog can act up regardless of breed. The example you gave did not kill anyone.
Jones October 20th, 2014 at 7:28 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUV1oTciznE
Pit Bull love.
Jones October 20th, 2014 at 7:17 am
German Statistics.
Candide Thirtythree October 20th, 2014 at 7:49 am
You go right ahead and get a pit bill but when it turns on you and kills you or your grandkid or your neighbor, don’t say you were not warned. Just know that if one comes in my yard, it will be gator food.
Jones October 20th, 2014 at 8:16 am
You sound dangerous.
BreitbartLovesEwe October 20th, 2014 at 9:35 am
Dogs are considered personal property under the law and you would be civilly liable if you were to rashly harm your neighbor’s dog for its simply entering your yard. That is quite aside from animal cruelty laws which would apply.
Candide Thirtythree October 23rd, 2014 at 6:19 am
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/co-dogs-consolidated-dog-laws#s35_43_126
“The general assembly finds and declares that the establishment of the standards and specifications set forth in this section are a matter of statewide concern.”
Added by Laws 1990, S.B.90-135, § 1, eff. July 1, 1990. Amended by Laws
1994, S.B.94-23, § 16, eff. July 1, 1994; Laws 2002, Ch. 318, § 319,
eff. Oct. 1, 2002; Laws 2003, Ch. 242, § 48, eff. Aug. 6, 2003.
Title 35. Agriculture. Livestock. Article 43. Branding and Herding.
§ 35-43-126. Dog worrying stock
“Any dog found running, worrying, or injuring sheep, cattle, or other
livestock may be killed, and the owner or harborer of such dog shall be liable for all damages done by it.”
Jones October 14th, 2014 at 2:12 am
“Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability. That means that they may be more likely than other breeds to fight with dogs. It doesn’t mean that they can’t be around other dogs or that they’re unpredictably aggressive. Other pit bulls were specifically bred for work and companionship. These dogs have long been popular family pets, noted for their gentleness, affection and loyalty. And even those pit bulls bred to fight other animals were not prone to aggressiveness toward people. Dogs used for fighting needed to be routinely handled by people; therefore aggression toward people was not tolerated. Any dog that behaved aggressively toward a person was culled, or killed, to avoid passing on such an undesirable trait. Research on pet dogs confirms that dog aggressive dogs are no more likely to direct aggression toward people than dogs that aren’t aggressive to other dogs.”
http://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
Julieveggie October 14th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Pit-bull types are considered one of the most powerful type of dogs, stronger than most of their guardians. The inheritable traits of the pit-bull type dogs is great holding and pulling power, unmatched tenacity and high tolerance for pain. When a pit decides to go for you or your pet, it’s an altogether different matter than when a cocker spaniel takes a dislike to you or your pet. Pitbull types bite down, clamp and shake, causing severe tissue damage and most important they don’t let go. Of all the dog breeds, they are the all time number one killer of humans and other people’s beloved pets.: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php If a pit does attack even with you right there it’s next to impossible to stop. This is a typical pit attack on another animal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFb-hGWZqg
According to Pit Bull Rescue Central, the leading authority of pit-bull type dogs, “It is a FACT that our pit bulls, AmStaffs and pit mixes come with a built-in fighting heritage.It doesn’t matter where we get them from, whether it be the pound, a stray we pick up, or a puppy we buy from a breeder. The majority of pit bulls will, at some point in their lives, exhibit some degree of dog-on-dog aggression. This type of animal aggression is completely separate from human-aggression; a well-socialized pit bull is very good-natured with people.Yet, chances are that a “normal” pit bull will not share his affection with other animals.We cannot predict when or where it will happen and we can’t love, train or socialize it out ofthe dog. Pit bulls may not start fights, but they will finish them.” http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_dogpark.pdf
I appreciate that ‘Pit bull Rescue Central,’ is telling pit-bull guardians not to take their dog to off-leash parks but many pit guardians are still very ignorant to this recommendation. What is bewildering to me is that Pit Bull Rescue Central admits that other beloved dogs in the community are not safe around pit-bulls because of their genetic makeup but promotes them as a great family pet. For me this is a red flag that you are compromising public safety and the safety of our beloved pets in our communities. These are powerful dogs that break away free from pit guardians all the time and then go maul or a kill beloved pet or a person. I do not consider that a safe family pet for our community. Then these pit-bull advocates are oblivious and offended why people do not want these dogs in the neighborhood. REALLY? Are you really that blind? Do I really have to spell it out for you? Many people in the neighborhood have beloved pets that they consider family members. They are concerned for their pet’s safety and they do not want their dog to get mauled to death. Now people in the neighborhood who have pets have to live in fear if this powerful pitbull will get away from the guardian and hurt or kill their beloved pet. Almost all dog guardians have experience a mishap where their dog gets away from them by mistake.
The Pit Bull Rescue Central recommends ALL pit guardians to have a break stick. “Since pit bulls have a strong fighting background, we recommend that pet owners also have a breaking stick as a precaution, even if they don’t plan to use it in an illegal context. However, please be discreet. Breaking sticks are not something to brag about and the general pubic might have the wrong impression if you walk around with a stick in your hand. Breaking sticks are not illegal, but they are considered dog fighting paraphernalia in certain states and/or with certain law enforcement agents.
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
Jones October 14th, 2014 at 6:40 pm
http://www.dogsbites.org
Dog attacks
Julieveggie October 14th, 2014 at 9:11 pm
Families know exactly what breed of dog has killed their loved ones. There is an assumption that the media only reports pit bull incidents and fatalities.
The Reality:
The media reports incidents with all breeds. As recently as December 2013, the media reported the death of an infant cause by injuries sustained from an attack by two Shiba Inus. Pit bulls are in the media more because they are the most common offenders for severe attacks on animals and humans. Since 1982, pit bulls have accounted for 67% of dog attacks resulting in bodily harm. As pit bulls have become more popular as pets, this number has begun to rise.
The media merely reports news of an occurrence based on facts or observations given to them by witnesses and investigators. If anything, the media has a tendency to under-report the breed associated with the incident or attack due to lack of detail regarding the incident. Pit bull attacks have become so frequent in the U.S. today (one lost body part every 5.4 days and one fatality every 2 weeks) that many attacks never make it to the media. The occurrences that are reported in the news often get minimal coverage. “Man bites dog is news, dog bites man is not.” http://www.daxtonsfriends.com/canine-myths-2/
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 3:39 am
Canine aggression poses serious public health and animal welfare concerns. Most of what is understood about breed differences in aggression comes from reports based on bite statistics, behavior clinic caseloads, and experts’ opinions. Information on breed-specific aggressiveness derived from such sources may be misleading due to biases attributable to a disproportionate risk of injury associated with larger and/or more physically powerful breeds and the existence of breed stereotypes. The present study surveyed the owners of more than 30 breeds of dogs using the Canine Behavioral Assessment and Research Questionnaire (C-BARQ), a validated and reliable instrument for assessing dogs’ typical and recent responses to a variety of common stimuli and situations. Two independent data samples (a random sample of breed club members and an online sample) yielded significant differences among breeds in aggression directed toward strangers, owners and dogs (Kruskal–Wallis tests, P < 0.0001).
Eight breeds common to both datasets (Dachshund, English Springer Spaniel, Golden Retriever, Labrador Retriever, Poodle, Rottweiler, Shetland Sheepdog and Siberian Husky) ranked similarly, rs = 0.723, P < 0.05; rs = 0.929, P < 0.001; rs = 0.592, P = 0.123, for aggression directed toward strangers, dogs and owners, respectively. Some breeds scored higher than average for aggression directed toward both humans and dogs (e.g., Chihuahuas and Dachshunds) while other breeds scored high only for specific targets (e.g., dog-directed aggression among Akitas and Pit Bull Terriers). In general, aggression was most severe when directed toward other dogs followed by unfamiliar people and household members. Breeds with the greatest percentage of dogs exhibiting serious aggression (bites or bite attempts) toward humans included Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and Jack Russell Terriers (toward strangers and owners); Australian Cattle Dogs (toward strangers); and American Cocker Spaniels and Beagles (toward owners). More than 20% of Akitas, Jack Russell Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers were reported as displaying serious aggression toward unfamiliar dogs. Golden Retrievers, Labradors Retrievers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, Brittany Spaniels, Greyhounds and Whippets were the least aggressive toward both humans and dogs. Among English Springer Spaniels, conformation-bred dogs were more aggressive to humans and dogs than field-bred dogs (stranger aggression: Mann–Whitney U test, z = 3.880, P < 0.0001; owner aggression: z = 2.110, P < 0.05; dog-directed aggression: z = 1.93, P = 0.054), suggesting a genetic influence on the behavior. The opposite pattern was observed for owner-directed aggression among Labrador Retrievers, (z = 2.18, P < 0.05) indicating that higher levels of aggression are not attributable to breeding for show per se.
Banned_From_Breitbart October 15th, 2014 at 7:39 am
Dachshunds were bred to go down holes and “deal” with underground vermin in their warrens. Dachshund=Badgerdog.
Julieveggie October 15th, 2014 at 7:46 am
You people are so ridiculous when you compare tiny dogs to large dogs. If walking down the street I would rather meet up with a unknown tiny dog than a power breed that could end my life.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Some people feel the same way about large persons.
Pam Loken October 16th, 2014 at 7:06 am
I truly admire how you keep your cool 🙂
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 3:45 am
Aggression.
Suzanne567 October 15th, 2014 at 10:33 am
This is also from the ASPCA – before they become “Pit-litically Correct” pit bull pushers and apologists. It’s unlikely that you will find this in print anywhere, but feel free to peruse the link provided. I find it interesting that the introduction starts with, and I’ll quote,
“Cases of experienced handlers who had developed good relationships with the dogs over a period of months still being attacked without warning or obvious provocation”
They go on to speak about the origins…
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
• Characteristics for fighting dogs: “Gameness”
• Most sought after trait of all fighting dogs
• Refers to willingness to continue fighting
despite physical pain and suffering
• “Deep Game” = “Dead Game”
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
Cesar Millan Says That Killing the Pit Bull Breed is Genocide
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2014/04/16/cesar-millan-says-that-killing-the-pit-bull-breed-is-genocide/
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 5:50 pm
(This is also from the ASPCA – before they become “Pit-litically Correct”)
So it’s no longer their position.
tracey marie October 15th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
you are a troll, you created this account to malign, lie and abuse facts about these types of dogs. Begone foul pos liar
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
More children are killed by their beloved parents than dogs. Dogsbite.org is the pit hater equivalent of storefront.org
For every dog horror story, there are millions of people who have a pit that is loved as a family member. Each dog is unique, painting with a broad brush is wrong with people and it’s wrong with dogs.
Julieveggie October 15th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I agree many pit bull types have not hurt anyone, but too many have or we would not be having this conversations. How wonderful your dog is up to this point or how wonderful your positive experiences may have been with pit bulls does not erase any of the attacks or issues surrounding them. I do not hate pits, in fact I find many of them cute, like how I find tigers’s cute. I consider pit-bull type an extreme breed because of their power. When a pit does attack, it’s a horrific death for many people and beloved beloved pets because they are so powerful. Pit bulls were bred to kill other animals. I just don’t consider that a safe family pet for our communities when pit bulls break free from their guardians ALL the time because they are so powerful and mostly kill other people’s beloved pets and sometimes kill people. Man’s best friend should NEVER be killing people or people’s beloved pets. People and pets that survived and attack have to live with disfiguring injuries.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
You’re four times more likely to be killed by lightning than a pit, thousands of times more likely to be shot, hundreds of time more likely to drown in your bathtub.
There are many breeds that are lumped together the label “pit bull” and many dogs are described as Pits who have no genetic relation. That inflates the bite statistics.
I have eight small dogs and I used to be afraid whenever I crossed paths with a Pit. After I retired, I started volunteering at the animal shelter five days a week. The majority of dogs at the shelter are pits or pit mixes. From direct experience I learned that they are wonderful dogs. At the shelter they are euthanized when they fail aggression test toward people or other animals, or if they show aggression to an attendant or volunteer. The shelter does not have the resources to rehabilitate them.
All strays at the shelter are spay/neutered in an attempt to reduce the number of unwanted dogs that have to be killed in shelters. We have free spay/neutering to reduce the pit population. The pits that have been adopted out in the ten years that I’v been there have made many families very happy.
We screen the adopters so that the dogs don’t go to irresponsible owners. Owners of dogs that attack should be held responsible for their dogs actions and those dogs euthanized.
Julieveggie October 15th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Quit down playing! It not just about people being killed by pits. Add this do your equation. Hundreds of people are mauled almost to death each year where their life will never be the same, they usually develop PSTD. They usually have to go through many correctional operations to get them to look half way normal again. It’s also about the 20,000 beloved pets that were killed by pits last year. Most of these pets are considered part of the family. Most insurance companies have come to the same conclusion, do not insure home owners if they have a pit. 13 countries are are smarter than US and have banned them from their countries.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Can you cite your sources for these numbers–hundreds of people mauled by pit bulls? Twenty-thousand pets killed by pits last year?
Julieveggie October 15th, 2014 at 4:00 pm
Google pit attacks and pit attack on other dogs thousands of articles appear. I have been following dangerous dog attacks for a year and read 3 articles a day where a pit attacked a person or another beloved pet.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
No, I’d like to see actual statistics that aren’t part of an article. Can you cite them?
BreitbartLovesEwe October 15th, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Google now logs your IP and feeds you results such as you’ve already developed a pattern of clicking on. Nowadays, in order to “vet”–pardon the pun!–one’s own beliefs, one must actively seek out contrary evidence. Please consider searching for [pit bulls are not dangerous] and the like.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
I use DuckDuckGo. It doesn’t track you, keep a record, sell your history, or feed you sites that have paid to be promoted.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
Thanks. You’re right. The same holds true for many issues–including vaccines, Ebola, and pretty much anything that might be controversial in any way.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
The number of search results means little, many articles are repetitions of one story from many different sources.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Yes, and apparently, Julie hasn’t been able to find actual accurate statistics instead of anecdotal evidence. I understand that there have been terrible dog attacks, but one of the worst I ever heard of involved Presa Canarios.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Is this not the same phenomenon that drives societal fear of pit bulls? Per the CDC May 14, 2014, there are approximately 4.5 million dog bites per year (remember, only a few hundred get attributed to pit bulls even though there is no recognizable research body in the country that can accurately verify how many of any one breed or another contribute to these bites) 885,000 of which require medical attention. According to an organization called the “Animal People Organization” edited by none other than lead pit bull propagandite, Merritt Clifton, (http://.animals24-7.org) 2890 of those were committed by the very broadest of categories known as pit bull…Over the course of 30 years! His research is the self-proclaimed most definitive research ever done on breed specific bite research. (Read it and you tell me if its “research”). That’s 99 attacks a year. Out of 885,000? He notes among some very questionable, non peer reviewed data that apprx. 281 fatalities over that same span – or 9 deaths a year. Now if we are to consider Mr. Ropeik’s assessment that fear is more perception than fact, we should compare these pit bull statistics to some other fear generating statistics.
Julieveggie October 16th, 2014 at 11:15 am
Now we are going in circles. You will never change my mind as I won’t change yours. Pit bull Rescue Central admits pit bulls are not safe around other dogs. For that reason alone is why I do not consider them safe family pets for our neighborhoods. These are powerful animals that break away from their guardians all the time and maul & kill another beloved pet in front of a child or person. Breaking up pit attacks is dangerous 1/3 end up attacking the person that’s breaking up the fight. “According to Pit Bull Rescue Central, the leading authority of pit-bull type dogs, “It is a FACT that our pit bulls, AmStaffs and pit mixes come with a built-in fighting heritage.It doesn’t matter where we get them from, whether it be the pound, a stray we pick up, or a puppy we buy from a breeder. The majority of pit bulls will, at some point in their lives, exhibit some degree of dog-on-dog aggression. This type of animal aggression is completely separate from human-aggression; a well-socialized pit bull is very good-natured with people.Yet, chances are that a “normal” pit bull will not share his affection with other animals.We cannot predict when or where it will happen and we can’t love, train or socialize it out ofthe dog. Pit bulls may not start fights, but they will finish them.” http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_dogpark.pdf”
The Pit Bull Rescue Central recommends ALL pit guardians to have a break stick. FOR ME THIS IS ANOTHER RED FLAG! Does not sound like a safe family pet if you need a breakstick. “Since pit bulls have a strong fighting background, we recommend that pet owners also have a breaking stick as a precaution, even if they don’t plan to use it in an illegal context. However, please be discreet. Breaking sticks are not something to brag about and the general pubic might have the wrong impression if you walk around with a stick in your hand. Breaking sticks are not illegal, but they are considered dog fighting paraphernalia in certain states and/or with certain law enforcement agents.
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
Jones October 16th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
http://www.pbrc.net
notation October 16th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
You haven’t cited any evidence for your claims, Julie. If you’re losing the argument, it’s your own fault.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
In 2000, there were approximately 5.3 million ( 5300000) pitbulls in the USA. (a testament to there mixed breed status)
13*”pitbulls” were involved in 8 fatal attacks
thus, 1 in about a quarter million dogs, or .000385% of the dogs
40 children PER YEAR die by drowning in a 5 gallon bucket.
In your lifetime, you are 16 TIMES more likely to die drowning in a 5 gallon bucket.
2000 Children a year are killed by abuse or neglect by their parent or gaurdian.
Julieveggie October 15th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
2 years ago I was going to get a pit bull then I did my homework. I have met many nice pits and not so nice pits in the past 25 years. Knowing what I know now. I would never be able to trust a pit bull. Even if you think it is not that often but when a pit attacks its deadly, I dont think it’s a risk that is worth taking for keeping our community safe.
BreitbartLovesEwe October 15th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
I would urge you to consider the possible similarity of breed specific stereotyping to racism.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
Breedism
Breedism is to judge a dog based on its breed and not on it’s own history, behavior, or personality. Breedism is equal to racism, just people to animals and not people to people. Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) is a form of Breedism in our own Government.
Breedism is to look upon a dog and say it is dangerous because of what it is. Until you actually see it be dangerous or aggressive is to judge without right. Same as saying because someone is of a certain race they fall into a specific category. Such as they are illegal, lazy, stupid, or dangerous because of their race and not who they are.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Breedism
notation October 15th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
I admire you for volunteering at the shelter. I’m not sure I’d be able to do it.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
Thanks, it’s tremendously rewarding…and addictive if you love animals. The shelter I volunteer at has a very low rate of euthanasia, it’s still sad when it happens. Happy adoptions and the affection of the dogs outweigh the bad parts.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 7:22 pm
I’ve been a foster for a number of cats and I know you’re right. It’s a joy to see them find a loving home.
I’m thinking of volunteering to provide “respite care” for volunteers who are raising puppies for Guiding Eyes for the Blind or another similar organization. I’m not quite ready to commit to having a dog full-time, but I adore them. Then again, there aren’t many animals I don’t love–it’s people I’m not too fond of. *kidding* *sort of*
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 7:50 pm
Volunteering is a good way get the benefits of being around dogs without having one. Once they know you they are so happy when they see you and are so grateful for your attention.
There are a lot of people I don’t like but I’ve never been repulsed by an animal. I adopted a couple of rats from the shelter and was surprised how much they grew on me. Sadly, they only live a few years. The worst thing about having pets is that they all get old and die.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
Tell me about it. We just lost one of our cats at 15 to a chronic illness. It never, ever gets easier, no matter what.
I read a quote once (can’t recall who said it) that said, in effect, “It’s a good thing dogs don’t live any longer than they do, or we would never, ever get over their loss.”
It’s true of any animal you become close to. Part of the human condition, I guess, but hard. Very hard.
One of my other tentative plans is to volunteer at the zoo. I won’t say where, but it’s quite a wonderful place. I have mixed feelings about zoos, to put it mildly, but I love seeing the animals and being near them.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 8:37 pm
I have never experienced as much grief as I did when my favorite dog died. I feel guilty that my mother and father did not evoke the same emotion
I think volunteering at the zoo would really fun and interesting.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Well, I hope it will. I suspect it will be fun and interesting as long as it involves interaction with the professional zoo folks and the animals. If it means interacting with the raggedy-assed masses, not so much.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
At our zoo you can specify whether you want to be a docent or help care for the animals. Some people prefer being guides to feeding and cleaning.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 8:06 pm
I meant to say that we only stopped fostering when we acquired a number (I won’t say how many) of cats who were “supposed to go up for adoption” that we couldn’t part with. That, and we had to replace the carpets in numerous rooms in our house…
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 8:28 pm
Yeah, our carpets have been replaced with tile and six of our dogs were supposed to be “fosters”….we had many cats too, but they’ve passed on.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
Toddlers Attack, Kill Pit Bull
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1116991/posts
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
Simply put, border collies do not herd sheep because they are raised on sheep farms; rather, they are raised on sheep farms because they herd. In addition pointers point, retrievers retrieve, and mastiffs guard, all because those traits are part of their breed expectations, meaning strong and continuous selection in the underlying breeding program ”
Simply put Pit bulls do not attack because they are raised with dog fighters and drug dealers, dog fighters and drug dealers use pit bulls because they attack!
It is their nature, their genetic truth and reality.!!
It is not how you raise them rather it is simply what they are.!!
Just like sled dogs run and pull, it is just their nature.!
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
A pit bull type dog is what it is and does what it is.You can no more alter it genetic makeup then you can a collies to herd, a hounds to track, a retriever’s to retrieve, a labs to swim, a pointers to point, a sled dog to run and pull.
They do what they are and a pit bull type dog is a mauling violent killer that has been bred to be a land shark, nothing you do can change that, even if you have them from birth.
No matter if you love them, or how you nurture, train, rehabilitate, raise them optimally as normal dogs from birth, you can not change their Genetic reality to Kill, Maul, Maim, Disfigure, Dismember, cause Life Flights or trips to the Intensive Care Unit.
For over 600 years the current pit bull type dog was brought into being through careful selective genetic breeding to create the most violent murderous fighting dog possible
mea_mark October 15th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
That is not entirely true and misleading. For some good info I recommend this https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls Careful about spreading deception and lies it can get your comments deleted and you banned.
tracey marie October 15th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
he has an agenda, is probably a paid shill for an organization against these dogs.
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
Pit’s are trained as service dogs, therapy dogs, law enforcement,
The term Pit Bull is often used as a generic term used to describe dogs with similar physical characteristics. A “Pit Bull” is one of several breeds including the American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Bull Terrier, American Bully, American Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Presa Canario, Cane Corso, or any mix thereof. Any dog that is mixed with a “Bull breed”[citation needed] may also be called a “Pit Bull” including those that are descended from the English Bulldog, French Bulldog, and Boston Terrier.
The genetic similarity of Bull breed dogs may make it difficult for experts to visually identify them,[1][2][3] and while mixed breed dogs are often labeled a “pit bull” if they have certain physical characteristics such as a square shaped head or bulky body type,[4] visual identification of mixed breed dogs is not recommended by the scholarly community.[1]
tracey marie October 15th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
you and your friend are trolls, go away
John Zolis November 8th, 2014 at 12:23 am
troll 4.5 million registered pits and half as many unregistered we are not going anywhere you peon
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
I got this reply from a Pro Dog Trainer to my comment about the danger of pit bull type dogs:
Dog Trainer
Jethro Z Bodeen
Actually, if one truly studies canine behavior you would find that Mr. McCartney is correct. As a dog trainer, I can say that clients bring me more pit bulls with behavior problems than all other breeds combined.
This, in an area with very few pit bulls! Further, I’ve seen pit bull puppies that had to be separated because they fought among themselves so aggressively.
This was not nurture – these pups were about four months old and properly socialized. It was in their genes.
John Zolis November 8th, 2014 at 12:22 am
smae post page after page like maybe you and jethro should hookup and have a hill-billy weeding
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Pit bull type dogs make up about 6% of the dog pop yet of the more then 45,000 people, pets and livestock killed by dogs in the US last year more then 95% of them were called by pit bull type dogs, those are corroborated statistical facts.
notation October 15th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Then you won’t mind citing your source for those numbers, will you?
tracey marie October 15th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
he has an agenda and is hell bent on maligning all pits because of a personal problem with them
notation October 15th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
No doubt.
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
This business of ‘not all pit bulls are aggressive’ is a lie and has to be corrected. Here are the facts: One third of all pit bulls are dumped at a shelter before they’re a year old — mostly due to aggression problems.
After that, one half of all adult pit bulls are dumped at a shelter any given year — mostly for aggression problems.
Consider what this means: It means that by the time any pit bull is five years old, 96% of its age mates have shown aggression so serious that the owner didn’t want it any more. This means that only one in 25 pit bulls will not have tried to kill something by the time it reaches its sixth year. Of those, quite a few will still maul and try to kill when they are 7 or 8 years old.
So the correct statement is: Almost all pit bulls will flip and try to kill at some point. The pit bull that makes it to the end of its life without doing so is extremely rare — an anomaly within the type.
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Fatal Pit Bull Attacks
Child Fatalities
A growing archive of U.S. children killed by pit bulls since 1980
http://www.fatalpitbullattacks dot com/children-killed-by-pit-bulls.php
tracey marie October 15th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
what do you have against pit bulls? Are you with some group who wants them banned or did you suffer an attack or did a loved one. Yes, pit bulls can be dangerous, yet not all Pits are dangerous and aggressive
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
EMILY WEISS, DVM, ASPCA professional contributor
I also think it is very important for us to make clear the breed traits of the dogs when we can identify the breed or breed mix.
We can share both individual dog behavior as identified in the shelter, as well as breed traits – the fact is, if someone wants a dog who points, what would we guide them to – a pointer or a Chihuahua? While we can probably teach that Chi to point, the adopter would be less likely to leave with unrealistic expectations if we sent him home with a pointer. Breed does matter. Physical characteristics lead to increased likelihood of particular behaviors and lines bred specifically for work likely being more pronounced – be it pointing, chasing or even arousal when feeling discomfort.
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Ignoring breed can lead us to set dogs up for failure. Recently an individual from a shelter reached out to me for advice after a dog fight. Two, let’s say, JRT-type dogs were introduced for a play group, and while they did well together for the first few minutes, inappropriate behavior of one led to a significant fight that was quite difficult to end.
Dogs who tend to grab, hold and not let go in fights with other dogs might not be the best candidates for play groups in shelters with limited resources and limited training.
Obviously many JRTs will greatly benefit from play groups, and by noting both the individual behavior and, when possible, the breed, we can assure we apply the right programs for each dog.
Now, let’s replace JRT with pit bull terrier in the story above and we may raise a few more eyebrows – but we are not maligning a breed, we are supporting them!
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
The ASPCA says:
Can All Dogs Be Trained to Fight?
No. Much like herding dogs, trailing dogs and other breeds selected for particular roles, fighting dogs are born ready for the training that will prepare them to succeed in the pit, and are bred to have a high degree of dog aggression.
The ASPCA has no obligation to share safety issues about pit bulls with the public. On their “Pit Bull Information” web page, they write: “Sadly, pit bulls have acquired a reputation as unpredictable, dangerous, and vicious.” Yet, spelled out in the ASPCA Shelter Guidelines — designed to protect shelter workers — are the unique risks attributed to pit bulls. One of them is that they “attack without warning,” which is equivalent to unpredictable behavior.
From the ASPCA’s The Care of Pit Bulls in the Shelter Environment:
There are “cases of experienced handlers who had developed good relationships with the dogs over a period of months still being attacked without warning or obvious provocation.”
Pit bulls “ignore signs of submission from other dogs” and “give no warning prior to attack.” They add that this is “different than normal dog behavior.”
“Today’s pit bulls” have multiple names including: “Staffordshire Terrier (AKC 1936), American Staffordshire Terrier (AKC 1972, Am Staff), American Pit Bull Terrier or Pit Bull Terrier.”
“These dogs can be aggressive towards humans and more likely to cause fatal attacks to people than other fighting type dogs.”
“Pit bulls will climb fences, chew up stainless steel food and water bowls, destroy copper tubing of automatic water systems and conventional cages, and attack other animals through chain link fences.”
“Pit bulls can break through conventional cage doors and destroy typical epoxy paint on the floors and walls.”
“Pit bulls require special housing considerations” and “isolation from other animals if dog aggressive or have a high prey drive.”
“Install a panic button in rooms housing pit bulls along with other restraint equipment in any room housing pit bulls.”
It seems unlikely that the ASPCA or shelters participating in the “Adopt-A-Bull Contest” will tell potential adopters to install a panic button in their home or that pit bulls attack without warning.
mea_mark October 15th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
ASPCA position on pitbulls should be read in its entirety … https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls quotes can easily be taken out of context.
John Zolis November 8th, 2014 at 12:21 am
same arguments cut page after page its damn tiring following you around on these post every single statement is a fabrication or an isolated person who supports your breed biased bullshit
Thomas McCartney October 15th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
CESAR MILAN, celebrity dog trainer
“Yeah, but this is a different breed…the power that comes behind bull dog, pit bull, presa canario, the fighting breed – They have an extra boost, they can go into a zone, they don’t feel the pain anymore. He is using the bulldog in him, which is way too powerful, so we have to ‘make him dog’ (I guess as in a “regular” dog) so we can actually create the limits.
So if you are trying to create submission in a fighting breed, it’s not going to happen. They would rather die than surrender.”. If you add pain, it only infuriates them..to them pain is that adrenaline rush, they are looking forward to that, they are addicted to it…
That’s why they are such great fighters.” Cesar goes on to say…”Especially with fighting breeds, you’re going to have these explosions over and over because there’s no limits in their brain.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzZgqCcy7b4&app=desktop
Jones October 15th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Cesar on pits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcV2uoG9RtE
John Zolis November 8th, 2014 at 12:20 am
do you not have a life seriously all you do is go around and post your bullshit pit hating propaganda and yet to comment back to a single response – come on like boy put up or shut up stop taking your checks from dogbite.org and get a job
Jones October 17th, 2014 at 1:58 am
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Jones October 20th, 2014 at 7:11 am
Some German Statistics showing the influence of breed popularity.