November 12, 2014 8:15 pm -

[su_right_ad]A woman’s job is to be happy for her kids, cook and decorate, although if the little lady does have to leave the house, it’s okay, as long as you’re going to see Kirk Cameron’s movie, “Saving Christmas.” If only those horrible liberals didn’t try to end this holiday by refusing to say “Merry Christmas”. If only they would stop pulling the rug out from good, God-loving Americans, Christmas wouldn’t have to be “saved.” But thank God, Kirk Cameron is coming to the rescue of a holiday that is on its last legs.

If you are a mom, if you are a wife, if you’re the keeper of your home, I want you to know that your joy is so important this Christmas. Because Christmas is about joy and if the joy of the Lord is your strength, remember, the joy of the mom is her children’s strength. So don’t let anything steal your joy. If you let your joy get stolen, it will sap your strength. Let your children, your family, see your joy in the way that you decorate your home this Christmas, in the food that you cook, the songs you sing, the stories you tell, and the traditions that you keep. Invite your whole neighborhood into your Christmas, and invite the world into our story of our king and his kingdom. Join me and go see Saving Christmas November 14.


D.B. Hirsch
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

114 responses to Kirk Cameron’s Message To Moms: Cook, Decorate, And Only Leave Home To See My Movie

  1. tiredoftea November 12th, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    “Yes, you will be joyful and fulfilled by spending an excessive amount of your money on my movie.”

    • Bunya November 12th, 2014 at 8:59 pm

      Don’t forget, republican Jesus was a staunch capitalist.

      • tiredoftea November 12th, 2014 at 9:03 pm

        Yeah, I remember! He sold all those fishes and loaves at his speaking gigs. No t-shirts, though, I wonder why not?

        • StoneyCurtisll November 12th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

          I saw Jesus once…
          All I got was this lousy fish…
          And no tee-shirt~!
          Nothing left to show for it.

  2. StoneyCurtisll November 12th, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Kirk Cameron’s claim to fame is being a child actor…(Growing Pains)

    And his beliefs are every bit as childish.

  3. Russ Burgos November 12th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    I’ve taken my kids to the movies twice in the past week, and both times we’ve had this “keep the Christ in Christmas” agit-prop shoved down our throats. It’s appalling.

    • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:33 pm

      Well it is in there.

      • Teri Melton-Nelson November 13th, 2014 at 3:04 am

        It may be in there but why the need to constantly throw it in people’s faces that it is a Christian holiday and that I will wish everyone a Merry Christmas instead of a Happy Holidays? I’m considered a Christian but it hurts me to see people saying these things when they know darn well that not everyone is a Christian. What happened to good manners and being civil to others? Happy Holidays is more inclusive.

        • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 6:23 am

          I agree with everything you said.
          You do Christmas the way you want. It’s beautiful you’re conscious of not offending others. It would be a better world if more were like that.
          I say Merry Christmas to those I know but usually wait for a stranger to greet me so I get an idea of what is appropriate.
          Still, I wonder where all this anger over something so simple came from. People used to not mind. It’s as if some people, at least are just looking for something to be upset about. Well, the response of some is to just plow on through, ignoring the hyper-sensitive but if someone is testy like that I think a little forbearance and forgiveness is in order.

  4. Chris Evans November 12th, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    Saving Christmas… from what exactly?

    • Larry Schmitt November 12th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

      From reality.

    • GTFOBigGovt November 12th, 2014 at 9:38 pm

      From twisted haters who can’t stand to see anyone traditionally happy.

      • searambler November 12th, 2014 at 10:13 pm

        Like who? Be specific.

        • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:57 pm


        • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:42 pm

          Just keep an eye out and you’ll see plenty of them posting here and elsewhere.
          We have this wacky holiday that has all kinds of things mixed together into one big conglomeration that somehow works in a beautiful way.
          It works even better without all the arguments about when Jesus was REALLY born, about the fact it was once called Saturnalia by the Romans, the fact that Frosty probably wasn’t at the Nativity, etc.
          None of that crap does anyone any good.

          I suggest those people put the same energy into more positive things this time around.
          Instead of being so focused on being destructive, I suggest they be productive, instead and magnify, rather than seek to reduce, the brotherhood, the joy, the love, and the wish for peace on earth, good will toward all.
          I encourage one and all to speak in such a way as to make this a more beautiful holiday for all.
          When there’s a chance to argue, zip it. Be extra patient, let others have more of a break. Be more gentle, be more forgiving, and love more to such a degree that people think of you as someone who makes Christmas more special, more magical and more beautiful.

          • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:55 pm

            When I was a kid, we didn’t have people trying to ruin Christmas. If they didn’t want to participate they were polite about it and everyone left each other alone about it.
            People who went around telling children there is no Santa Clause were viewed about the same as child molesters.

            No one ever seemed to think it a good idea to ruin this holiday or to seek arguments. That was just plain nuts! nuts! nuts! But now, for some it is an annual ritual. They are destructive, not constructive.
            To take something so magnificent as Christmas, where we set aside differences, where children get such joy, where we can escape the cares of the world and have at least one little corner of the world where there is peace on earth – and try to destroy it takes a special kind of warped thinking.

            But there you have it, people running around trying to ruin Christmas!
            The only thing worse is the way lots of others let them get away with it. When I was a kid, anyone trying such a thing would get dirty looks and would be shunned for trying to take away this magical, special time of loving one another.

          • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 12:39 am

            Things were much different in your day Burqa. Men had jobs that could support an entire family, that is no longer possible for the masses. Most households need two income earners just to stay afloat. Who suffers the most? The kids and in turn the entire family…then society as a whole. There’s your republican trickle down. We have to find a way to swing this pendulum around so all can have a Merry Christmas and not just a select few.

            As for this “Merry Christmas” brouhaha, I don’t understand it. We don’t have that were I live. Must be an American thing.

          • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

            I think Burqa is living in an “Ozzie and Harriet” or “Leave it to Beaver” type of alternate universe.

          • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 6:12 am

            I was fortunate to grow up in the next best thing to heaven – the rich culture of the Deep South. Both of my parents are still together I went to outstanding schools and lived where there was little crime. People could leave home without locking the door and then there was the whole porch culture thing.
            In some ways it was more Mayberry.
            Since then I’ve lived in a variety of places and been exposed to a far greater spectrum of human experience. One gets that when one has a career in construction. It’s a pretty tough business. I specialize in historic restoration, which makes American history more real to me, since I actually handle it. I’m also an artist.
            There’s no getting around my breeding. Even when I went to France and only knew one American when I arrived, it took about a month, but I ended up in their society associating with leading figures in the intelligentsia. I don’t know how it happens, but I can go to a foreign place and, without trying, end up making friends with people similarly bred.
            Looking back, yeah, I’ve been blessed.
            It’s been a great ride so far……

          • searambler November 13th, 2014 at 9:43 am

            There is no war on Christmas. Unless you count the corporate retailers who are already bombarding us with their consumerism-run-amok yearly ad campaign. There are many, many people in America who are not christians, and who do not believe that public money should ever be spent to promote this religion. Like using public property and funds to display a nativity scene. That’s a pretty simple and clear cut thing. A$$holes like Bill O’Reilly keeep the ‘war on christmas’ lie alive because it’s what their followers want to hear and believe. They deliberately fuel this idea because their shows run on hatred and fear and division, and without it they got nothing. I’m not even going to address how this crass over-consumerism affects the poorer people in this country (millions and millions of them), how it adds to the anxiety and the angst of the ‘season’…

      • Chris Evans November 13th, 2014 at 3:00 pm

        I’ve yet to see anyone like that.

      • Chris Evans November 13th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

        Okay. I’m willing to bite – List ONE example of anyone that’s “Waging a war against Christmas.” You can’t. Because it doesn’t fucking exist.

  5. Jaz November 12th, 2014 at 9:08 pm

    Fifteen million kids live with single mothers, 5 million live with their single fathers. Average wage for these women is 24,000 per year. These women don’t have the time or the resources to live in “Leave it to Beaver land”? Thanks bejus Kirk, for being just another teabaggin’ fool. Maybe try addressing the vast inequality in your country, defunding education, crime, poverty… instead of preaching unrealistic expectations, to those, that the Republicons have long abandoned. Maybe try preaching to those million of absent fathers, who don’t give a damn about their kids. Until then, your words are just a hollow homily.

    • GTFOBigGovt November 12th, 2014 at 9:36 pm

      That’s a lot of typing for someone who apparently didn’t bother actually reading his true words. He said “IF YOU ARE THE KEEPER OF THE HOME”. Then again there’s no doubt in my mind that you think there’s something “WRONG” with making food and decorating for a holiday. OH SNAP. Uncle Obama will take care of everything – no mom required. No time to cook? NOT surprising you’d say that. Maybe TRY having a husband instead of blaming OTHERS why there are absent fathers. DUH. Or are you claiming NOBODY EVER SAID THAT. Not even BILL COSBY? For which he took a ration of crap.

      • Carla Akins November 12th, 2014 at 10:10 pm

        Oh snap, too bad Uncle Obama can’t fix your grammar, spelling and assist in reading comprehension.

        • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

          Probably wants big govt to GTFO out of their social security and medicare too…

      • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:28 pm

        You were correct when you made the point, but then you went and ruined it by being nasty.
        My mama taught us “rudeness automatically puts you in the wrong.”
        Shee also taught us that when you are certain you are right is the time to be especially polite. That way it makes the other side look even worse by not only having a weaker argument, but by looking coarse when they make it.

      • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 12:30 am

        I read it twice, thanks.

        • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 12:41 am

          I cherry picked it, like you Repulicons like to do.

      • Teri Melton-Nelson November 13th, 2014 at 2:57 am

        Maybe we don’t want to “try” to have another husband! What a bunch of nonsense! I was married for 20 years to a man who chose to walk away from his 3 kids. So to “try” to replace him and risk that drama on my kids wasn’t worth it. Stop lumping single or divorced moms in the same pile. Many of us are doing just fine.

      • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        Yeah well, a friend of mine tried having a husband, and her children a father. Y’see, this husband, suffering from mid-life crisis, ran off with his 19-year-old secretary, leaving his wife and children with nothing.
        Try blaming deadbeat dads instead of President Obama.

    • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:55 pm

      And maybe fight to get women better pay so that they CAN support a family on one salary.

      • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 12:28 am

        Agreed. If these mostly women, got payed a living wage maybe they wouldn’t have to grovel at the feet of their corporate masters.

        • M D Reese November 13th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

          Yup–and it makes a big difference later when you get Social Security at 67 cents on the dollar compared to the men your age…

    • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:25 pm

      Interesting points, even though they don’t pertain to the OP.
      20 million kids in single parent families sure is a lot. You are correct that many in such circumstances struggle this time of year to give their children a good Christmas.
      It seems to me that, given the challenges these families face, going and ruining Christmas for them would just be cruel, but we have plenty of people who want to do just that.
      When I was a child, there was a lot that was special, magical even, about Christmas. Childhood is such a short period in our lives, shouldn’t we be making sure we don’t ruin it for any children out there?
      In adulthood, it also has something incredibly beautiful to it. Families get together, people set aside their differences, there is joy and brotherhood and so much love that we wonder why we don’t love more during the rest of the year.
      These things have always been precious to me and my family. My parents are still married. We don’t like things intruding on the enjoyment of such a special time for our family and other loved ones.
      For those in single parent families, I think the need to preserve Christmas for them and to not ruin it with these stupid arguments is even more important.

      • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 12:25 am

        What doesn’t pertain to the original post?
        “Message To Moms: Cook, Decorate, And Only Leave Home To See My Movie”

        Yes, in many ways you’re still a kid Burqa. You look at life though rose-coloured glasses. Hows the view from there?

        The reality is, that along with those 20 million single family homes, many millions are homeless as well. Their Christmas isn’t going to be a cozy nook, in a living room, filled with laughter or joy and presents and most likely mom isn’t cooking or decorating either, because she’s probably working her 2nd job. That burqa is the real,sad, reality of life for millions of kids in the US.

        “”We don’t like things intruding on the enjoyment of such a special time for our family and other loved ones.” ”

        What ‘things’ are these you speak of? The stark reality of suffering? Ya, well don’t let me disturb your peaceful existence this holiday time. Merry Christmas.

        • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 5:50 am

          That wasn’t Cameron’s message. What you said was what Alan made up about it.
          Yes, in some ways I can still access my childhood and hope I never lose that. Since you asked, the view is lovely.
          I like beautiful, happy things and try to be oriented in that direction. When I have the choice, I try to remember to seek beauty in life. I suffer from depression at times and doing this helps a lot.

          Had you read my post, you would see your point about the 20 million single parent (not family) homes addressed by me.

          Since my post was about those trying to ruin Christmas for me and for those who are in single family homes, I was not talking about suffering trying to ruin Christmas, though I imagine those trying to ruin Christmas for others must have some sort of suffering going on to need to do that to other people.
          And that is what you are trying to justify – people trying to take joy away from others. I think that’s pretty sick too.

          If you’re miserable, I can understand that. When I’m really down, I avoid people because I don’t want to spread it to others. That would just make me feel worse. So if I was really depressed at Christmas I would not try to get others depressed. I think that would be a rotten thing to do to others, especially if they were poor or were a single parent home.

          • Bunya November 15th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

            If I thought somebody was deliberately trying to ruin Christmas for me, or to take joy away from me, I certainly wouldn’t spend another minute on this site.
            But that’s just me.

  6. tracey marie November 12th, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    Damn, seems to me the 3 months of xmas does not need to be saved but stopped

    • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

      I’m usually over it by Halloween any more.

    • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:13 pm

      I agree. When I was a kid, we didn’t even get into it before December. There was no Christmas stuff until after Thanksgiving and we didn’t get our tree until a week before Christmas. We kept the tree lights off until a few days before Christmas. No presents were opened before Christmas. The day after Christmas the decorations came off the tree and we left it up a day or two just because it smells nice, but then the tree was taken out.
      In school we didn’t have anything before December, either.
      This way, with everything mostly in the 2 weeks before Christmas, we weren’t worn out by it all by the time Christmas came.

      I think it would be nice if everyone were to set aside all the stock arguments against Christmas. I know all about Saturnalia and the fact there were no reindeer there when Jesus was born and yes, I know he was not born on December 25 and yes, I know Frosty the Snowman wasn’t there either.
      None of that matters.
      None of it is productive.
      No, it is all destructive. We have this beautiful, magical time where everyone should be setting aside differences to be together, to share the love, to make it the wonderful time for children it was for us.
      That there are people who are so crass as to try to take away this special time just shows how acceptable ugliness has gotten.
      To try and ruin Christmas takes a special sort of sickness.

      • tiredoftea November 12th, 2014 at 11:21 pm

        “To try and ruin Christmas takes a special sort of sickness.” Sorry, but no, its been over and done for quite some time. There are those of us who are tired of the self righteous hypocrisy, the excessive commercialism and the phony fight against christmas that your brethren seem to need to pretend that it’s all about a sacred myth. And, we will continue to fight against the utter malaise that your politics has created during this “joyous season”. Happy Holidays!

        • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 5:34 am

          Well that is depressing.
          I’m with you on the excessive commercialism and I don’t care for the way it has become something that begins in the stores before Halloween.
          There is no phony fight, there are people trying to ruin a beautiful celebration and it seems to be the same people who appear to think Christianity is a conservative Republican thing and that’s why they don’t like it.
          I wish now I had noted who they were, but I remember when FreakOutNation first came aboard and I said something about being a Christian and was immediately accused by 2 or 3 people of being a right-wing Tea Partier. That one cracked me up.
          I do not attach any politics to Christmas, either.

          The depressing part of your post is the statement about it being so over for you. Every year, for me at some point the Christmas spirit whomps me and it’s a beautiful thing. I get to walking on air. It is a beautiful, special, precious thing. Sometimes it didn’t come till Christmas Eve and last year it surprised me by coming about 2 weeks out and it hasn’t done that in I don’t know how long. I feel really awful for you that you don’t have this beautiful experience.
          No wonder you’re so crabby.
          I think I could fix that for you. I think I can guarantee a way for you to experience the joy the rest of us do helping out at a soup kitchen or the homeless shelter in Fredericksburg. We’ll burn that crabbiness to a crisp and replace it with something amazing you’ll never forget the rest of your life.
          Or stay unhappy, face pressed against the glass, watching everyone else having a time of peace, love and brotherhood, unable to join the rest of us because of the hardness of your heart.

          • Bunya November 15th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

            It’s pretty callous of you to accuse others of being “crabby” or possessing a “hard heart”, especially when you know nothing about that person. That’s an old GOP/tea party tactic. I remember Sarah Palin used that same tactic when she accused President Obama of creating “death panels” with his ACH plan.

    • red-diaper-baby 1942 November 13th, 2014 at 1:11 am

      Perhaps that depends on where you live. Here in northern Europe (Finland, in fact) the days are already very dark, and by December we’ll have only four or five hours a day of somewhat dim daylight. In the northern part of the country (almost a third of Finland lies above the Arctic Circle) the sun doesn’t rise above the horizon at all, for many weeks before and after the solstice. So I have to say that the anticipation of the solstice holiday, with bright lights and music, and planning and preparing for the holiday, actually helps to lift our spirits. The really bad time comes in January and February, when spring is still a long way off and everything is cold and dark.
      Our recompense of course comes in the summer, with its 24-hour daylight.
      And needless to say, none of this has anything at all to do with any organized religion,

      • fahvel November 13th, 2014 at 7:08 am

        yup – same here!

  7. GTFOBigGovt November 12th, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    You’re out of your minds. He said “IF YOU ARE THE KEEPER OF THE HOME”. JFC you Liberals are so twisted you think kids are raised by Uncle Obama and that parent’s just aren’t necessary.

    • tracey marie November 12th, 2014 at 9:34 pm

      he said women should stay home…stop looking for a fight over a 3 month greed holiday based on a myth

      • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        Um, no.

        He addressed: “If you are a mom, if you are a wife, if you’re the keeper of your home, …”

        That would include quite a few women I know. He did not say women should stay home. Alan invented that part in order to criticize Cameron.

        • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 1:05 am

          The “If you are a mom, if you are a wife,…” part could apply to many that have to work or chose to work outside the home for various reasons. SO he does cover women who are other than the ‘leeper of the home’.

          • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 4:58 am

            We agree.He could hardly address his message to working mothers and working wives and say they should stay at home while they are working outside the home.

    • whatthe46 November 12th, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      what the hell are you fk’n talking about? “Uncle Obama?” what does he have to do with x-mas and this story and off the wall cameron?

    • Tommy6860 November 12th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

      I see too many Kook Cameron movies and fundamentalism has created an inability for you to follow the actual gist of the story.

      “Hey, the story by Kook Cameron about Christmas was posted on Liberland, must mean the islamatization of real mercuns because Obama, arrgghhh!” /s

      • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:53 pm

        Said like a true graduate of the Sarah Palin college of word sausagery.

    • Carla Akins November 12th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      You just ooze hate, your traditional family must be so proud. Find somewhere else to spread your “love”.

      • burqa November 12th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

        Ms. Akins, I, too object to his rhetoric but do not find it any different than the way many others talk here. But here we see a conservative being criticized for using the same level of invective used commonly by liberals here.
        His point about the OP is correct, but then he had to go and ruin it with invective.

        We get the same over the top rhetoric from the Left.
        One of the great things about this forum when I first got here 6 or 8 years ago is there was almost none of that. It was a forum in which people acted like grown ups. Occasionally a troll would arrive and be told, “We don’t do it that way here. Please dial it back and notice the way the rest of us speak to each other here.”
        We covered a lot of ground and it was quite enjoyable to have something so different than what we see so commonly elsewhere.
        Under those conditions, our arguments on the Left shine brightest.

        Unfortunately, what we have now is far from what we once had. Now we have extremists on the Left here who are every bit as bad as the extremists on the Right whose language is abhorrent to us. We see so plainly how that sort of rhetoric is counterproductive on the Right, but often it seems those on the Left either fail to see it or accept it when it comes from someone on the Left. That makes us hypocrites if we let the extremists have safe harbor on the Left.

        In recent days, for example, I have seen someone call for murder as an appropriate response to one crazy or the other depicted in a post. In another case I saw someone calling for the equivalent of ethnic cleansing. With both examples, I was the only one who posted in opposition to that sort of talk here.

        • Blondie Blue November 12th, 2014 at 11:58 pm

          Oh how big of you. To take it upon yourself to be Miss monitor for this site. Maybe you should stop being such of a stuck up bitch and get off your high horse.
          You don’t like what others say then skip over it.
          People have the right to their opinions just like you do. So Get Over yourself!

        • Jaz November 13th, 2014 at 1:27 am

          Being nice and passive didn’t help the Dems in the mid-terms did it?
          Screw your political correctness and over posturing. It’s time to get the talons out and draw some blood.

          • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 4:40 am

            No, I don’t want to be like them. Having a Tea Party on the Left is the wrong way to go. We have too much of that already.
            Being nice didn’t cost the Democrats, but being passive when they should have been making stronger arguments did.
            Martin Luther King and the others leading the civil rights movement faced far worse and remained steadfast in their determination to be nonviolent. They rejected extremism and the extremists and violent people set the movement back and stiffened the opposition.
            We don’t need more nasty, violent extremists.
            We need more peaceful, reasonable people who present strong arguments that are better than what the other side comes up with.

        • Carla Akins November 13th, 2014 at 4:56 am

          Burqa, I appreciate you view, but I am only one of several moderators. I would not have made this or possibly any post on this story but was forced to respond to this one. Her posts became increasingly aggressive and clearly endorses discrimination.
          Had I seen a post calling for someone’s death, it would have been addressed as well but I also have a family and a full-time job and not every post is reviewed. If you felt it offensive, flag the comment and the first available moderator will take a look at it.

          • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 4:54 am

            Thank you for the reply, Ms. Akins.
            I can see how trying it can be to deal with people like that and I do not envy what you or the other moderators do. Indeed, I feel I should have expressed my appreciation earlier and more frequently.

            Just about the entire Religion forum is about discrimination. The target is Christians. The forum does not reflect what is taking place in religion today and makes no attempt to do so.
            It is pretty much a parade of attacks in the form of blog posts about a tiny minority of kooks and crazies that lead the reader to come to a false conclusion about a group composed of over 1 billion people who do not resemble these nuts. There have been more than a few posts from users who say these goofballs represent the whole group, so the propaganda is working.
            It’s wrong to do that against any group, whether it is a religious group, a race or a particular ethnicity.
            It’s just wrong.

    • ExPFCWintergreen November 12th, 2014 at 10:05 pm

      I don’t think J F’d C, but I could be wrong. It’s been a while since I read the Christian book. And as for ” parent’s “I’m not sure if they’re necessary or not, but I’m pretty darn sure that knowing how to use apostrophes correctly is.

      • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 1:01 am

        The ‘F’ stand for jesus’s middle name.

        • ExPFCWintergreen November 13th, 2014 at 9:13 pm

          Fyodor? Fred? Franz? Fritz? Frank? Felix? Floyd? Forrest? Fletch? Ferris? Fabio?

    • searambler November 12th, 2014 at 10:11 pm

      JFC? As in Jesus F*****g Christ?

      My, how christian of you. How’s that whole ‘never take the lords name in vain’ thing working for ya?

      • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

        Christians get to pick and choose which of the 10 suggestions they want to follow…same with the laundry list of rules in leviticus. Choose 1 from column A, 1 from column B…

    • fahvel November 13th, 2014 at 7:05 am

      wow – the expletives – nasty words – to describe you would make libland explode.

  8. searambler November 12th, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    Ah Christmas. Based on the ancient Roman pagan celebration of Saturnalia. Which is likely based on an even earlier pagan ritual from the Sumerians. Appropriated by the Christians hundreds of years after Jesus went zombie…..

    • M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:48 pm

      Basically, humans have always enjoyed a party in the dead of winter to cheer them up.

    • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 12:59 am

      The Winter Solstice. Celebrating the Sun starting to move back toward the north.

  9. burqa November 12th, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    I remember when this forum first came along. It was titled “Spirit,” but didn’t contain posts that passed on spiritual information.
    So now they call it Religion and it does not give any information that shows what religion is doing in this country, by and large.
    Now the forum functions to bring up topics that provide sufficient cover for bigots so they can attack Christians daily.

    Anyone else notice they don’t post stories to give people the chance to club Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Baha’i’s or any other religion in this forum?

    Here we have Alan clubbing a nice statement by Cameron to the women who keep house by falsely making it seem as if Cameron thinks this is the only place for women.
    Attacking Christians is so important to Alan that he then invented the notion that Cameron was talking about liberals trying to “end this holiday.”

    • tiredoftea November 12th, 2014 at 11:16 pm

      “Anyone else notice they don’t post stories to give people the chance to club Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Baha’i’s or any other religion in this forum?”, yeah, probably because they say less idiotic things about their religion. Nor do they try to make money from it to the extent that “christians” do.

      • whatthe46 November 13th, 2014 at 12:37 am

        damn… you beat me to it. i don’t see any of these religions knocking on everyones door either trying to shove their beliefs down everyones throat.

        • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 4:31 am

          We-ell, since you guys are determined to have a tiny minority represent the whole,

          Whatthe46: ” i don’t see any of these religions knocking on everyones door either trying to shove their beliefs down everyones throat.”

          The Muslims shove planes into skyscrapers.
          The Germans shove Jews into ovens.
          The African Americans shove knives into their estranged white girlfriends in Brentwood.
          The Japanese shove poison gas into subways.
          And you’re worried about Christians talking to you.

      • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 12:58 am

        They also are trying to jam their beliefs down the throats of everyone else.

      • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 4:19 am

        If one were to go looking for such stories, I am sure they could be found in any group composed of hundreds of millions of members.

        How about we use al Qaeda to represent all Muslims?
        How about we use Netanyahu, Sharon, Meir Kahane and the Rosenbergs to represent all Jews?
        How about we use the Nazis to represent all Germans?
        How about we use Alan West, Michael Steele, Wayne Williams and O.J. Simpson to represent all African Americans?
        How about we use the Tamil Tigers to represent all Hindus?

        • tiredoftea November 15th, 2014 at 2:53 pm

          How about we accept that “christians” represent approx. 85% of self proclaimed religious identity here in the U.S.A. and that the particularly vile, offensive and odorous behavior that some exhibit, especially among the political right and self professed “pro-life”, will still outnumber any of the smaller in number religions you noted.

          Your outrage at the lack of “Bill O’Reillyish” equivalence is duly noted, but not shared among those who don’t want your religion, or any other, pushed into our lives, at all, under any circumstances.

    • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 1:15 am

      The ‘Religion’ tab is for articles that refer to religious subjects and/or issues. It isn’t intended to be supportive of any one religion.

      • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 3:58 am

        That sounds good but it doesn’t describe this forum.
        This forum is devoted to negatively portraying one faith.

    • tracey marie November 13th, 2014 at 6:31 am

      cameron has whined many times that liberals are trying to end christmas and he has also demanded that women stay home per the bible.

    • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      Give it a rest, Burqa! Must you ramble on, and on, and on, AND ON, ad nauseum, over the injustices perpetrated against Christians that exist only in your mind? It’s getting old. Time to move on.
      Contrary to what you believe, there’s no war on Christmas. Nobody is persecuting, vilifying and maligning Christians. We’re not bigots because we call out Christian hypocrisy, and FOR GOD’S SAKE, Christians don’t corner the market on humanitarian services!
      Maybe Atheists, Jews, Muslims and the like aren’t looking for recognition for their fine work. Did you ever think of that? Better yet, perhaps they should elaborate for the stupid among us who think only Christians contribute the “lion’s share” of humanitarian services because it seems all they see are churches touting their excellent virtue, searching for unending recognition from those around them. Perhaps these compassionate folks should drop their anonymity and have big, blazing signs that read, “Atheist Homeless Shelter”, or “Allah’s soup Kitchen”, or “Temple Beth Israel Food Pantry”. Would that make you happy? Then they’ll be just like the Christians, forever searching for constant praise and admiration.

      • burqa November 15th, 2014 at 3:57 am

        This entire forum is devoted to attacking Christians.

        I would have the same objections if there was an entire forum devoted to attacking atheists or Muslims or Jews or gays or members of a particular race or nationality.

        You are correct about humanitarian services but you continue to fail to get the reason I pointed out what Christians do.
        I do so because this whole forum presents a false representation of what millions of people are doing or what they believe. It does not reflect what the overwhelming majority of Christians are doing in my community or yours. You continue to miss that point.

        I am willing to correct the record and point out how wrong it is to falsely depict a group that does a lot of good and you are not. Maybe that’s why you continue to miss the point.

        • Bunya November 15th, 2014 at 4:31 pm

          Only in your mind is this forum devoted to attacking Christians. The topic is about Kirk Cameron. God only knows how religious generosity fits into it.
          I simply don’t understand what you want from us. Do you want us to take out giant billboards praising “St. John’s Soup Kitchen”, or “The Christian Homeless Shelter”? It seems you’re never going to be satisfied until we all collectively say, “Yes, you’re right Burqa. Only the 85% of Christians living in this country are decent, compassionate, loving and giving people.” Sorry, but that ain’t gonna happen. Just because the 15% minority of other religious organizations and Atheists don’t have the clout to advertise their generosity doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
          I mean no disrespect when I say this, but if you perceive us to be religious bigots, please feel free to move to a Christian website where you’ll find others who share your views.
          Maybe I’m missing your point because you’re not making a logical, rational one.

  10. M D Reese November 12th, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    What if a woman enjoys being independent, decides not to marry and/or have children, and is self-supporting? Is that OK, Kirk?

    • tiredoftea November 12th, 2014 at 11:09 pm


      • M D Reese November 13th, 2014 at 3:50 pm

        That’s what I figured. It looks like we’ve picked up a Kirk Cameron troll. Or maybe it IS Kirk Cameron.

    • Dwendt44 November 13th, 2014 at 12:56 am

      It’s her christian duty to squirt out as many replacement units as possible, even if it endangers her health; even if she/they can’t afford children or more children.

      • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

        Yup–earth needs more christian soldiers!

    • trees November 13th, 2014 at 2:31 am

      What if a woman enjoys being independent, decides not to marry and/or have children, and is self-supporting? Is that OK, Kirk?

      I’ll answer for him. It’s fine. You have the freedom to live the life you choose. You can live as single woman, choosing never to marry, never to raise children, and never to be obligated to anyone but yourself. You can grow old alone, you have the freedom to do so. I’ll ask you a question, do you think you’ll find happiness in your isolation?

      • Teri Melton-Nelson November 13th, 2014 at 2:44 am

        Wow – that is a pretty limited view. People who choose to not have kids or can’t have kids lead very fullfilled lives. Many , because they have more free time , put energy into volunteering, etc. They have friends which to many are their family.

        • trees November 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm

          Yes Teri, you can surround yourself with “friends” and keep yourself busy….you miss the point I’m making, in “keeping yourself busy”. The Holidays are a time when those who choose to forego family are made very aware of their isolation, as the Holidays are when families gather together, and sure you visit with friends, but think about it, are friends actually family? There is a huge difference….family sticks together, friends are fickle….family is always there for you, friends tend to come and go, friends will share the good times, but will they be there for you when you really need them? Now, I realize that I just made a hard border, a strong distinction, and it may sound like I’m saying that there are no friends that will stick with you in times of trouble, and that family members will never desert you, and that’s not entirely true, I understand that, but what I am saying is the numbers strongly support my assertion, not perfectly, but largely…..and that the real tragedy occurs when those who live for the moment, when those who forego having children out of selfish ambition and the desire for self fulfillment, when those who never consider the future age, and get old…..having never raised a family of their own, when the decisions to be independent and alone result in being isolated and confined within a gilded cage, watching those who you thought were friends drift away, and losing true friends who are your same age, as they succumb to mortality….with no one to care for you as you become to old to care for yourself….a loving family that cares for you is something priceless, and something that, quite frankly, can’t be purchased…..there’s nothing wrong with being a mother and raising children, in fact, if it wasn’t for mothers raising children humanity would cease to be…..

          Why would Alan ridicule someone for daring to celebrate a homemaker?

          • M D Reese November 13th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

            Oh for pity effer’s sake. What a sad world view. And it sure isn’t based on reality.

          • trees November 13th, 2014 at 4:33 pm

            You can hide from reality, you can pretend that you’ll never grow old and feeble, you can pretend that you’ll never feel isolated, out of touch and alone, you can pretend that you’ll never be afraid, that you’ll accept death as easily as an old friend…..

            but you’re playing make-believe.

          • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 7:54 pm

            Nice job of projecting. If you’re afraid of growing old, don’t feel so bad. Everybody does. If you feel isolated, out of and alone, try going to community functions or volunteer at a soup kitchen. It’s very rewarding and it’ll take your mind off your insecurities. Everybody is afraid at some time or another, and everybody dies. Try looking at death as something everybody goes through. It will give you a sense of inclusion. If it makes you feel better to think you’ll be rewarded in the afterlife, go with it. Many people accept death easier knowing they’re going to a good place.

          • trees November 13th, 2014 at 10:01 pm

            The Christian believes in a day that God has appointed, a time when God will remake the cosmos, when God will restore His creation, and when those who place their faith in Him, will be resurrected to eternal life. An actual physical existence, not some dreamlike “afterlife”. A place where the Creator will dwell with His people, with those who have been made righteous and have been conformed to His image. To be in Christ is to understand why it’s necessary to accept His sacrifice, to understand the transaction that occurred on that day, and to understand the exchange that was made, and why. Death has no sting for me, for I am eternally alive. As a Christian, I will dwell in the house of the Lord God, for all eternity.

            I’ve seen the peace that surpasses understanding, within those who have passed before me.

            I’ve seen those who were frightened and alone, I’ve shared the good news of the Gospel with them, and I’ve seen them grapple with it’s message. I’ve seen the transformation that occurs, as they become believers.

            Ridicule if you must, I understand that not all of us can accept hard truth. My hope is that at some point in time you find reasons to believe. To depart this earth without the love of God is a truly frightening thing…..

          • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 11:08 pm

            If belief in your god/gods make you happy, more power to you. Far be it for me to come between a man and his deity(s). Some folks depend on a belief system to get them through life. People through the ages, in an effort to overcome a frightening experience, have created a wonderful afterlife for themselves, so that the transition into death seems less terrifying and, in fact, welcoming. You believe your god is going to save Christians, the same way Jews believe Yahweh is going to save all Jews, Allah is going to save all Muslims, Aliens are going to save all Scientologists, etc., etc. I suspect death for these believers also holds no “sting”.

            I really shouldn’t ridicule That’s not my style. It’s just that you predict, with almost complete certainty, that women with no children will feel isolated, out of touch, alone and afraid later in life, that one can only surmise that, perhaps, you’re speaking from experience.

          • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

            I just find trees to be a creepy, lonely delusional jesus troll.

          • Bunya November 14th, 2014 at 2:12 pm

            I know he’s a lonely, creepy delusional Jesus troll, and I try not to engage him in conversation, but sometimes when he makes really bizarre claims, I can’t resist informing him that he’s wrong.

          • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 2:14 pm

            I agree and I understand–I’m much the same. It just galls me when people insist that a woman has no worth or even existence if she’s not attached to a man. I also agree that trees must have some serious relationship issues.

          • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 1:43 pm


          • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

            No–I’m not. You seem to have a sad case of the blues though. You are really really creepy.

          • tracey marie November 13th, 2014 at 7:43 pm

            you would say that about friends…you do not have any

          • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

            So, the reason women have children is so they have someone to take care of them when they get old? Basically, it’s somewhat of a business proposition. I’ll give birth to you and, in return, you can take care of me in the future.

            And there’s nothing wrong with being a mother – if that’s what the woman wants. There’s also nothing wrong with women who choose not to have children, regardless of your magic 8-ball predictions.

          • trees November 13th, 2014 at 8:02 pm

            So, the reason women have children is so they have someone to take care of them when they get old?

            There is a relationship between parents and their offspring, over time an appreciation develops, an appreciation that results in those who were cared for, in turn, caring for. Only someone who is uncaring and unappreciative would try and belittle this fact of life.

            As far as being independent, I’ve not ridiculed or belittled this decision. I have only pointed out what can be the result of such a decision.

          • Bunya November 13th, 2014 at 7:45 pm

            So, the reason women have children is so they have someone to take care of them when they get old? Basically, it’s somewhat of a business proposition. I’ll give birth to you and, in return, you can take care of me in the future.

            And there’s nothing wrong with being a mother – if that’s what the woman wants. There’s also nothing wrong with women who choose not to have children, regardless of your magic 8-ball predictions.

          • allison1050 November 14th, 2014 at 7:53 am

            Source? Who do you think are putting their aged parents in nursing homes? That’s how most Americans “take care and stick with” family. Now ask me how I know this…I’ll wait.

      • M D Reese November 13th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

        Yeah–see, it’s all about what men think about how women should think and be. They don’t believe that a woman can be happy without having one of them around and raising his brats. (By the way, not having a man in her life doesn’t mean that a woman is “isolated”.)

        • trees November 13th, 2014 at 4:16 pm

          Yeah–see, it’s all about what men think about how women should think and be.

          ???? You do realize that the vast majority of women disagree with you, right?

          They don’t believe that a woman can be happy without having one of them around and raising his brats.

          You’re Freudian slip is quite revealing. Tell me why you refer to children as, “brats”.

          • tracey marie November 13th, 2014 at 7:42 pm

            you are wrong

          • allison1050 November 14th, 2014 at 7:52 am

            You forgot to ask me that question.

          • M D Reese November 14th, 2014 at 2:16 pm

            Freud was wrong about female orgasms, too.

      • allison1050 November 14th, 2014 at 7:51 am

        What isolation are you referring to? (stop up voting yourself)

  11. fahvel November 13th, 2014 at 7:03 am

    who or what the hell is a kirk cameron? Is it some kind of thing that floats in a port-o-potty?

  12. allison1050 November 14th, 2014 at 7:49 am

    Who is this person that Liberaland continues to give space to?