Black Pedestrian Becomes Suspect For Walking With Hands In Pocket
Suzie at Crooks and Liars has this one.
Someone named B. McKean posted this online today without much information. It took place in Pontiac, Michigan. He started videotaping the encounter and the cop whips out his phone and does the same thing. The cop sounds apologetic, but says he had to check him out because they got a phone call about his “suspicious” behavior.
Damn. Walking with your hands in your pocket while black. In Michigan, in the cold.
What the hell is wrong with this country? I guess we should be grateful the cop didn’t shoot him, what with him being “suspicious” and all.
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
rg9rts November 29th, 2014 at 7:21 am
This is insanity……very similar to the fear mongering of the gopee
StoneyCurtisll November 29th, 2014 at 8:17 am
Wow….
raincheck November 29th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Wow is right!…
Miz Julia November 29th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
Hey Stoney, disqus now lets you get rid of any unwanted followers. Wink, wink. I took “him” off of my list of followers. I had also reported “him” a few months ago for his filthy profile which disqus apaprently asked “him” to clean up. π Maybe one day even MMFA can get it’s act together. I know…I’m a dreamer. lol.
Oh, and “howdy”!
StoneyCurtisll November 29th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Thanks Ms. Julia for the heads up..
Always good to see you..
I miss the good people at MMfA..(you and many others)
But I dont miss the knuckle dragging fools, the screen name cloning, the ‘filth troll’ and all that nonsense…
After over 18,000 comments there, the newly hired ‘moderator’ decided to ban me and not the trash that polluted that site, (I was banned for over using the flag comment feature)
I decided f-it..
I could have done like all the trolls do, and create a new Disqus account and come back.. but..(I dont roll that way)..
I like it here..
Nice people, there are ‘Mods’ on duty 24/7..
No Andy’s..
And everyone here seems really cool..
Miz Julia November 29th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
Wow, I wondered what happened. Thanks for filling me in. So, they actually informed you of the reason for the banning, eh? It blows my mind that good posters like you and congero were banned and the creeps still abide. The site has been cleaned up a little, but I mostly just go directly to disqus for any complaints since the new mod, if he actually exists – one wonders, ha! – still isn’t there on a regular basis. And since it’s known that he/she works only during the day, the filth comes on at night.
I don’t post much of anywhere anymore. ;-)) I check this site out ever’ so often and I may look a little more frequently since I know you and some other faves of mine hang here. Smile. Always great to see you still bein’ sassy. lol.
congero December 1st, 2014 at 1:31 pm
hi LD i found this and you might find it helpful:http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/
montanabuddha December 1st, 2014 at 2:25 pm
Wow….thanks for that.
congero December 1st, 2014 at 2:55 pm
you’re welcome. π
montanabuddha December 1st, 2014 at 3:27 pm
What I found most compelling (and I posted this at MMfA) was that 16 of the 29 witnesses said that MB had his hands up after Wilson fired on him while only 2 said he did not. Wilson either was not asked this question or did not provide an answer.
In what court would this be permitted? This is damning.
Also saw the C&L piece and will be very interested to see if it goes from internet speculation to actual investigation……I mean who were those people?
congero December 1st, 2014 at 3:52 pm
i found that compelling also. it also brings into question why the prosecutor put so much weight on the testimony of witness 10 who said mb charged dw and did not have his hands up when that view was in the minority but prosector chose to highlight him. as you say 16 witnesses say he did. witness 10 testimony to gj also differed from what he initially told police. he said he was 100 yrs. away
which is a whole football field away. no questions were asked if he had his eyes checked and/or when. also during gj he said he was 50-75 yrs away. changing testimony was one of the reasons prosecution gave for why witnesses couldn’t be trusted.
also those witnesses who contradicted dw were put under more intense questioning than those favorable to dw and dw himself. it was a charade.
yes, i agree. who were those people? ng or oathkeepers or other vigilantes. very suspicious.
montanabuddha December 1st, 2014 at 4:28 pm
I’m going with Oathkeepers …crazy dangerous people …..
congero December 2nd, 2014 at 1:34 am
Me too.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 9:43 am
check this out:http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/14/is-the-gop-ready-for-for-profit-insuranc
montanabuddha December 4th, 2014 at 10:06 am
Wow……..it’s gonna take a minute or two to digest all of that but….
it seems Mr. Carson had an abrupt and extreme RW epiphany sometime around 2009…..
So this is how the GOP opposition is going to come at him……from behind.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 10:16 am
yup! the liberal media may try and hide this but those “haters” on the right won’t let this slide during the campaign. get some popcorn. lol.
montanabuddha December 4th, 2014 at 10:38 am
Thanks for the good links…..please stay in touch.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 11:03 am
thanks. you too.
congero December 1st, 2014 at 4:06 pm
also check out that 19 witnesses testified that dw was shooting as mb was fleeing. now check out this segment:http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/shocking-mistake-in-darren-wilson-grand-jury-364273731666
montanabuddha December 1st, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Wow…I missed that.
mea_mark December 1st, 2014 at 4:22 pm
That certainly puts a twist on things.
congero December 2nd, 2014 at 1:36 am
Doesn’t it. I wish someone(fbi,attorney general)would dig deeper.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 9:44 am
check this link out:http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/14/is-the-gop-ready-for-for-profit-insuranc
mea_mark December 4th, 2014 at 10:11 am
We had a Carson fanatic yesterday on a Carson thread talking him up to no end. It will be interesting to share it with her.
Thanks
congero December 4th, 2014 at 10:18 am
yes. you’re welcome.
mea_mark December 4th, 2014 at 10:31 am
Just in case you are interested in checking out a Carson fanatic, check out Ginny S comments here … http://www.alan.com/2014/11/15/more-than-10-million-already-spent-trying-to-make-ben-carson-president/#comment-1725485099 I left a link for her there to that article. Will be interesting to see if and how she reacts.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 11:09 am
my, my …ginny has drank the kool aide. people like her are deaf ,dumb and blind. i’d like to see how she explains his obvious socializm.
mea_mark December 4th, 2014 at 11:33 am
If she posts anything I will let you know. She may be too afraid to though.
congero December 4th, 2014 at 11:53 am
thanks, but don’t hold your breath.
Miz Julia December 2nd, 2014 at 1:46 am
Thank you very much. A lot of commentary over there. I would have come back here earlier had I not been talking to some real eejits. ;-)) You know all about the eejits. Anyway, some of them perceived things in a very different way than I did. Ha!
And next time any eejit like Jim Beam talks about fatherless black children, I’m going to link to this: http://thefatherhoodproject.tumblr.com/
Sweet, eh??
congero December 2nd, 2014 at 3:47 am
Yes, it sure is . The bigots like to throw around those stats to justify their racism but the stats don’t speak to systemic racism in the justice system and the war on drugs or whether the father is in his childs life as you have shown. Stick it to him. I will use it also. Thanks. ;-))
congero December 4th, 2014 at 9:45 am
Hi LD . I found this eye opening:http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/14/is-the-gop-ready-for-for-profit-insuranc
mary5920 December 4th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
That’s an interesting article, thanks. Apparently Carson will have to eat his own words quite a bit to run for president with the current crop of crazies in the Republican Party.
I expect a lot of him saying “I never said that,” to which most reporters will say, okay we have to end it there…”
congero December 5th, 2014 at 10:21 am
I hope the more he leaves the bubble and is asked to defend his more absurd comments along with those contained in the link all his flaws will be highlighted.
mary5920 November 29th, 2014 at 6:04 pm
We miss you there Stoney, and also the fake doc Connelly. From time to time, someone claims the FBI is going to raid filthy’s hovel, but I don’t know about that.
On T though, walking with hands in pockets DOES seem really suspicious esp in very cold weather.
Miz Julia November 30th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
My husband (who is black, as you know ;-)) got the popo called on him one day for the crime of washing his car in the parking lot of his apartment complex. No kidding!
He and I were stopped one day in Jamestown, NY in the parking lot of a mall. The policeman said we were being stopped because we took a picture of a travel agency sign in the strip mall across the street. He was called by someone in the agency who saw my husband take the picture from the car – They just happened to have the same name as MY travel agency in Texas and we thought it was kind of cool.
I thought the whole thing rather odd and would only furnish my driver’s license after getting his name and badge number, at which point he looked kind of embarrassed and let us go on our way. I castigated him and asked if maybe the fact that my husband was black had anything to do with this crime of picture taking. Gheesh. This stuff happens all too frequently and those are just two of the stories my husband could tell of breathing whilst black.
congero December 1st, 2014 at 1:30 pm
hi mary, i think this is important info:http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/
congero November 30th, 2014 at 5:30 pm
hey good to see you. i was banned from mm after a long tit for tat with a racist troll.i had been a loyal defender of the site also for years while the trolls are still there.
mea_mark November 30th, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Long tit-for-tats are bad. It drives moderators mad trying to figure out who said what and why. It is easier to just throw away all the trash. Not that I would do that, but I understand. Don’t feed the trolls. If you ever get in a long tit-for-tat here expect unexpected endings and deletions. That said, you are certainly welcome here as I welcome all the good people that come from MMfA were I spent so much time in the past.
congero November 30th, 2014 at 8:39 pm
i remember you. thank you my friend. that is so kind. i will take your advice to heart. π
StoneyCurtisll December 2nd, 2014 at 1:39 am
Your comment is an echo of mine..
Exact thing happened to me…
congero November 30th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
i also was blocked after many years.
Miz Julia November 30th, 2014 at 6:14 pm
And we are the poorer for it, my friend. π
congero November 30th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
you are too kind LD. π
congero November 30th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
filthy is back on mm’s having a ball.http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/11/30/on-fox-news-sunday-rudy-giuliani-suggests-more/201721
Andy_Kreiss November 29th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
OT, but i happened to see your up-vote on a comment where I didn’t think any sane people were around- Was that one of the funniest wingnut delusions in a while, where the poster claimed that a “card carrying liberal” called it racist for having dogs with white fur?
And it had close to 100 up-votes at the time. Jeebus, they’ll believe anything that fits in with their fantasy world.
Miz Julia November 30th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
I see you just replied (not so long ago) to that same person (well, I think it was the same one, but who knows since they all seem to have a similar, albeit, absurd view of “reality”, lol). I left this link from Kos which others here may enjoy and learn from as well.
How the racists of the South have ruled this nation from the very beginning
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/16/1344692/-How-the-racists-of-the-South-have-ruled-this-nation-from-the-very-beginning
Edited.
congero November 30th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
i read that and so true. http://www.www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/watch-what-happens-when-police-confront-white-open-carry-gun-nut
juxtapose that with:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656
Larry Schmitt November 29th, 2014 at 8:24 am
That cop should be embarrassed to be involved in a flimsy stop like that. How can he connect walking with hands in pockets to a robbery? And how many whit men did he stop for the same thing?
raincheck November 29th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Pretty flimsy alright… makes my blood boil
Suzanne McFly November 29th, 2014 at 9:39 am
Pretty sad. I have walked around as a white woman with my hoodie on, hands in my pockets and no one looked twice and black kids and men do it and they get shot or cops get called out and yet racism is dead?
Budda November 29th, 2014 at 10:24 am
If a citizen did call it in and the police did not respond, then what?
fahvel November 29th, 2014 at 11:13 am
you would have had nothing to comment about here.
whatthe46 November 29th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
BING!
Roctuna November 29th, 2014 at 11:21 am
He’d have warm hands? It is winter in Michigan, after all.
whatthe46 November 29th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
you’d be trolling someplace else.
Budda December 3rd, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Perhaps I am mis-understood. I’m asking the simple question; aren’t the police required to respond to a citizens concerns? ( Respond properly of course)
greenfloyd December 2nd, 2014 at 3:21 am
Apparently that’s what happened in Ferguson. On the night of the GJ announcement cops didn’t respond to a call from the now infamous Canfied Green Apartments. The caller reported he overheard four people with guns talking about killing someone. The next day they found DeAndre Joshua dead in his car nearby. His death appeared to be an execution intended to send a message. He had a bullet to the head, his body partially burned.
William November 29th, 2014 at 11:14 am
Remember folks If you’re a white guy pointing a rifle at sworn officers (Bundy ranch), you’re a patriot. (Fox says so). If you’re a black guy walking down the street you’re a threat.
Roctuna November 29th, 2014 at 11:20 am
Jon Stewart can add this to his list of things black people can’t do. It’s a pretty damn long list.
http://www.thewrap.com/jon-stewart-adds-pointing-to-the-list-of-things-black-people-cant-do-without-looking-suspicious-video/
raincheck November 29th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
THAT makes me pretty f*cking angry… I wouldn’t even answer his questions, and I would ask for an Attorney!!!!
William November 29th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
Actually you don’t have to answer any of his questions. You can simply say. “I don’t want to talk to you” and leave. He can’t even make you furnish I.D. Whenever I am pulled into one of those OUI “safety check” aka. “burn up a government grant by standing around HOPING a drunk driver comes to you details”. I simply say.
1. I haven’t committed any violations or broken any laws
2. You have no right to detain me.
3. I’m not going to answer any questions
4. Am I free to leave now?
number 4 is critical. If you are being detained a whole new set of rules kick in.
raincheck November 29th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
What you said is true…. and I hope a lot of people read what you said. Cheers
carol November 30th, 2014 at 4:15 am
Do you get pulLed over often?
William November 30th, 2014 at 9:46 am
No.. I don’t. As I stated, I was referring to the so called “safety checks”. IE where police funnel traffic into an area to check for drunk drivers. As I am often getting off work at 1 am, this happens a lot. Although the supreme court has ruled that these checks are constitutional, the procedures therein are very rigid.
As far as getting pulled over, a police officer must have a reason, albeit nominal to pull someone over. Lack of a reason (articulable suspicion) has been the subject of many suppression hearings in our court system.
greenfloyd November 29th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Obviously a slow day in Pontiac MI π
Wow! B McKean, admitted walker with hands, is my new hero. He handled this very well. And thankfully this cop didn’t seem to have any agenda other than to do his job. Although it would have been nice to offer Mr. McKean a ride after this unnecessary stop and inconvenience.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2014 at 12:33 am
i believe the cop did have an agenda. its a good thing McKean had the mindset to start recording, otherwise…
greenfloyd November 30th, 2014 at 1:11 am
What do you mean?
whatthe46 November 30th, 2014 at 1:42 am
to harrass the living sh*t out of him.
Curious, McKean asked what the suspicious activity was.
βYou were walking by,β replied the deputy.
βWalking byβ¦ and doing what?β McKean asked.
βYou were making people nervous,β he answered.
βBy walking by,β responded McKean.
βYeah, you had your hands in your pockets,β clarified the deputy.
*******
if McKean didn’t pull out his phone to record, this could have gone bad. so, now walking with your hands in your pocket on a cold day is suspicious activity. yes, his agenda was to harrass. just imagine if McKean just ignored him and walked off.
greenfloyd November 30th, 2014 at 2:13 am
I think you are exaggerating. We both heard and saw the same encounter and the sense I get is things would have unfolded in much the same way, with or without the cameras, which you got to admit is a lot better than guns. As I mentioned McKean handled this really well. his anger genuine, his argument rational, articulate and seemed to me the officer agreed, offering his rather awkward high-five, still, better than a gun.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2014 at 2:36 am
i understand what you’re saying, its just that, i’m sick and tired of hearing these reports. we shouldn’t even be having this conversation. and again, thanks for the camera ’cause an awkward high-five wouldn’t have been offered. that’s just my opinion. besides, when have you heard of a cop who stopped anyone for any reason and offered a high-five after realizing everything is ok? and… its just my opinion, anythings better than being harrassed and stopped for NO REAL REASON. brown, jay walking and now mckean, walking with his hands in his pockets. i just am not ready to give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2014 at 2:11 am
i would also like to hear the 911 (wow, what an emergency) call about a suspicious black guy walking in the cold weather with his hands in his pocket as if to keep them warm. why? because i’m not so sure that the “officer” received a call. was he just crusing by and that was his excuse to approach him? otherwise, fk both the caller and the cop.
educated adult November 30th, 2014 at 1:17 am
clearly he was dispatched to the call. pay attention and you can hear him close the call with dispatch. If he is dispatched to a call he must respond or face department discipline. everything doesn’t have to be a race issue. this man was recently released from jail for larceny and domestic violence and is probably well known to the cops.
greenfloyd November 30th, 2014 at 1:38 am
Where did you get that?
whatthe46 November 30th, 2014 at 3:15 am
i don’t know that to be true. now, how’s this… how would the “caller” know any of this information, if it were in fact true? they wouldn’t. if someone had called the police when they saw dennis rader walking down their street, maybe a lot of people would be alive today. oh, but wait, why would anyone call the police for a suspicious looking white man neatly dressed, who actually has a history of MURDER.
Carolina Trucker November 30th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Like the cop said, he has to make a quick check when he gets a call. That’s his job. Also like he said, it is for the suspect’s safety too. What if for example, an overzealous neighborhood watchman were pursuing the guy? There are some paranoid old ladies who would call the police on any unfamiliar teen black or white walking past their house.