Republican Congress To Push Abortion Bans
Anti-choicers see an opportunity to push their agenda with a big majority in the House and a Republican Senate. The Wall Street Journal reports:
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“At the top of the agenda: legislation that would ban abortions at 20 weeks of pregnancy or later, pushing the legal boundaries set by the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision. Activists on both sides of the debate are gearing up for a fight that will demonstrate the consequences of Republican gains in the 2014 election.”[su_csky_ad]
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
Kim Serrahn December 8th, 2014 at 12:55 am
They want to take us back to an era when women died because of botched abortions by people that were not Dr’s and unsanitary conditions.
tiredoftea December 8th, 2014 at 1:06 am
All the while they will be blaming Obama and the Dems for whatever nonsense they can conjure up. Don’t watch the Repubs behind the curtain!
whatthe46 December 8th, 2014 at 1:13 am
and not one of these unwanted children living in foster care will find their way into their homes, because their lives doesn’t really matter, only that they are born.
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 1:45 am
The gopee lose all interest in the fetus the second it leaves the womb and becomes a parasite on society..
Foundryman December 8th, 2014 at 1:24 am
If they do, perhaps it’ll be enough to wake enough people up to finally see what they really think about freedom, liberty and individual rights.
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 1:44 am
Not as long as the gopee can stick their nose into your bedroom…that is their favorite past time..
whatthe46 December 8th, 2014 at 1:34 am
rest assured, if a family member of theirs is raped by a bald mouth homeless man and becomes pregnant, they’d have a doctor on standby.
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 1:43 am
In the day…those with $$$$ went to Sweden
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 1:42 am
Free coat hangers to every gopee member of congress
Obewon December 8th, 2014 at 1:43 am
This is a redux of GWB’s airhead congress with HCA’s busybody Senate leader Fristfuk video diagnosis of Terry Schiavo whose brain had liquefied ten years earlier as proven by MRI’s. With 54+ faux ACA repeals and these delusional’s still feign ignorance of 1973’s Conservative SCOTUS guaranteed mere 10 weeks for any woman to choose and up to 28 weeks with her Dr’s approval.
Kick Frenzy December 8th, 2014 at 1:44 am
I think there should be strict limits once you hit 20 weeks.
After that, there is no doubt that the child feels anything done to it and can respond.
If it could survive outside of the womb, it makes sense that it is feeling and aware inside the womb.
Why should there not be restrictions on that?
I get that there can be life threatening situations or maybe something I’m not thinking of, but to allow unrestricted abortions after 20 weeks is cruel.
It might sound weird coming from a Liberal Dem, but that’s my opinion.
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 1:46 am
No one is making YOU have the procedure…so don’t impose YOUR ideas on others
Kick Frenzy December 8th, 2014 at 1:54 am
I believe every woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body.
However, when that fetus becomes a living, aware, feeling human… the dynamic changes.
At that point it is murder of an innocent human.
As I’ve said, I recognize that there are times when there is a life or death decision where only the mother or child will survive.
It’s up to the woman and her doctor to decide that plan of action… that one isn’t mine to make.
Also, I was wrong… 18 weeks after fertilization; reasoning, memory, language and… pain… are all active and with as many connections as an adult.
The baby sleeps, wakes and can hear at 20 weeks.
http://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp
rg9rts December 8th, 2014 at 2:01 am
Those parameters apply only to you
Carla Akins December 8th, 2014 at 4:34 am
Actually, no. Those are scientific medical facts. Survivability has been studied and documented for centuries. Also the accepted medical science on pain shows the fetus cannot feel pain until at least 24 weeks. The information Graham used in his “pain capable” bill is faulty and the doctor that testified has been discredited. It’s just faulty information and not science.
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:14 am
I’m not sure if the source is trust-worthy or not, but from the article I linked to, there’s this footnote:
[60] Paper: “Pain and its Effects in the Human Neonate and Fetus.” By K.J.S. Anand & P.R. Hickey. New England Journal of Medicine, November 19, 1987.
Page 1322:
Cutaneous sensory receptors appear in the perioral [mouth] area of the human fetus in the 7th week of gestation; they spread to the rest of the face, the palms of the hands and the soles of the feet by the 11th week, to the trunk and proximal parts of the arms and legs by the 15th week, and to all cutaneous and mucous surfaces by the 20th week. …
Development of the fetal neocortex begins at 8 weeks of gestation, and by 20 weeks each cortex has a full complement of 109 neurons.
NOTE: This article uses the obstetric method of counting from the last menstrual period as evidenced by the chart on page 1322, which uses a gestation of 40 weeks for pregnancy. Two weeks must be subtracted to provide the actual time since fertilization.
whatthe46 December 8th, 2014 at 2:26 am
its highly unlikely that a child born at 20 weeks will survive. its only about the size of a banana and about 10 ounces. and even should it survive, it will have serious developmental problems. non-the-less, its up to the mother, not a politician.
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:11 am
I knew a kid, well I was a kid too, but he had been born at 21 weeks old.
He was fine… he had to wear thick glasses and he was thin, but generally speaking… he was fine.
It doesn’t need to be 100% success.
It only needs to be one successful birth.
One birth defines that a baby is able to think and process pain at that point in the womb.
So, if there are multiple cases of babies at 21 and 22 weeks old being born and surviving, then it stands to reason that 20 weeks should be the maximum for unrestricted abortions.
Daveweeks01 December 8th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Well said!!!
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:07 am
Thank you.
tracey marie December 8th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
not born not an actual living breathing human, period
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:07 am
Actually, you are factually wrong.
After a certain point in the womb, it goes from a bunch of processing cells to a human being.
Alive and thinking and feeling and doing the equivalent of breathing.
And feeling pain greater than after being born.
I cannot personally condone unrestricted abortive processes after the fetus is alive, thinking and feeling pain.
tracey marie December 9th, 2014 at 7:11 am
nope, not born, not living breathing human being
BJW December 8th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Babies brains are fully developed around the beginning of the 3rd trimester, which is when, funny enough, there are restrictions.
http://www.visembryo.com/baby/24_weeks.html
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:30 am
The development info is all interesting stuff!
(And I would consider it 22 weeks, since I go by time of fertilization instead of last ovulation… but same same.
MIAtheistGal December 8th, 2014 at 7:02 am
Do you have a credible study that shows both that a fetus feels pain at 20 weeks and that a fetus could live outside the womb at 20 weeks?
R.J. Carter December 8th, 2014 at 10:04 am
Fourteen weeks gestation:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1e_1417828730
MIAtheistGal December 8th, 2014 at 10:46 am
Surviving a few moments is a far cry from surviving to childhood, or even infant hood.
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:22 am
As a matter of fact, just a short scroll down the page is a reply I made to Carla that includes exactly what you’re asking for! 🙂
MIAtheistGal December 9th, 2014 at 6:37 am
Credible. The key word there was credible. Graham’s study was flawed, as Carla already pointed out.
Kick Frenzy December 16th, 2014 at 7:00 pm
(Sorry for the late reply)
I knew someone personally who was born at 21 weeks and could fit in the palm of your hand.
When I knew him, he was a fully functioning, fairly healthy, teenager.
There are plenty of accounts of babies born around 21 weeks and surviving.
As for needing a different study, there are plenty that detail the development of pain receptors by 20 weeks.
For instance,
“During development, sensory fibers are abundant by 20 weeks; a functional spinal reflex is present by 19 weeks; connections to the thalamus are present by 20 weeks; and connections to subplate neurons are present by 17 weeks with intensive differentiation by 25 weeks.”
– Neurodevelopmental Changes of Fetal Pain
– http://www.seminperinat.com/article/S0146-0005(07)00068-7/abstract?cc=y
Daveweeks01 December 8th, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Nice to see a liberal Dem with a taking reason stance on the issue. As a conservative I done want to take away a woman’s right to choose. None of my business, but abortions on demand doesn’t set well with me.
Kick Frenzy December 9th, 2014 at 12:26 am
Thank you.
Although I’m fine with “on demand” up until a certain point.
Assuming that includes consultations with a doctor (which it does, of course).
Chinese Democracy December 8th, 2014 at 3:33 am
Impede a woman’s right to choose.. send gays to camps.. keep minorities from voting etc etc.
Conservatives can be just as vile , hateful and narrow minded as they want but would u a holes stop putting them in positions of power?
MIAtheistGal December 8th, 2014 at 7:04 am
Banning abortion does not make it go away, it simply drives it underground, making women less safe and possibly causing future sterility. It also disproportionally punishes poor women, as rich women will go where it is legal, and poor women can’t afford to do so.
Hirightnow December 8th, 2014 at 7:28 am
It does exactly what the Republican party wants it to do: put women in their “proper” place.
R.J. Carter December 8th, 2014 at 10:02 am
I don’t think we’ve ever effectively banned anything just by making it illegal.
William December 8th, 2014 at 9:15 am
So lets review.
The party that doesn’t want health care to provide birth control, wants to ignore the adjudication of the supreme court, ( Roe V Wade) and accuse the President of overstepping his authority.
Suzanne McFly December 8th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Seems almost ignorant, doesn’t it? And people continue to vote for them. Makes no sense to me, but my heads not located in my butt so that helps me with a better thinking process.
Stevojax December 8th, 2014 at 11:37 am
Ya because the policy works so well in Central America.
tracey marie December 8th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
Once again the mentally challenged right, waving an abridged version of the constituion is schemeing to take rights away from peoplke under the guise of theocratic myths and legends. Stop trying to micromanage women, it is none of your damn business.