December 11, 2014 12:15 pm -

A member of Open Carry Tarrant County and Open Carry Texas, is facing capital murder charges after two people were discovered shot dead in her home. Veronica Dunnachie, 35, was arrested by police as she drove herself to a nearby mental hospital following the shooting.

[su_center_ad]Officials said they were treating the slayings as a domestic homicide, The Dallas Morning News reports.

Veronica Dunnachie, 35, is in custody and bail had not yet been set, according to the police.

According to Tarrant County records, the residence is owned by Russell Dunnachie, a house where Veronica reportedly lived with her husband, their three young children and his adult daughter from a previous relationship.

However, relatives of Veronica Dunnachie said she was no longer living at the home and court records indicated she filed for divorce in October.

The bodies of her alleged victims were discovered after police were called to perform a welfare check at the house.

A nearby Elementary School was briefly placed on lockdown. The lockdown was lifted shortly after Dunnachie was taken into custody.

According to a cousin, Elizabeth Rojas, Dunnachie had distanced herself from their family in recent years, and they had not seen her in nearly three weeks.

She said her cousin was an avid gun user and regularly posted about her gun use on Facebook. Those pictures were circulated by Open Carry groups.

Dunnachie has been actively involved in open carry rallies that have been staged at businesses like Target.

In the following image, Dunnachie is on the left, the wife of Kory Watkins, leader of Open Carry Tarrant County is on the right at an open carry rally in Target’s parking lot.

Fortunately, Target responded to a call from Moms Demand Action to end open carry of guns in stores and parking lots, and now asks customers to leave their guns at home. Unfortunately, Kroger has not agreed to ending this practice in their stores, even after sustained pressure from Moms, leaving their customers at risk.

C.J. Grisham, leader of Open Carry Texas, will surely deny that she was a member of his extremist group of gun toting miscreants, but there are screen shots which have circulated which will counter any denials by him and I’ll be happy to tweet them out, because I’m nice like that.

His response to the deaths in which he’s intentionally vague:

Travis Raymond Kuenstler asks CJ Grisham on Facebook to “Please delete your post and encourage others to do the same, privately.”
She ‘likes’ him, too.


Bobby is not surprised.


Amy is a gun nut and testifies at everything in support of expanding gun rights. Today, she has the sads.


“Mama didn’t raise no victim,” writes Open Carry Tarrant County.

Here she is posing with a group of armed men and women on a city park full of families and children in Ft. Worth, Texas:

Here Dunnachie is at another Texas business with Open Carry activists. The man to her left is Guy Potter, he was part of the group that menaced Moms Demand Action members last November in Arlington, TX:


Here she is looking like every other Open Carry activist. Size matters, amirite?

Veronica, just like her colleagues with the aforementioned gun groups, objects to a ban on open carrying firearms in Kroger. You see, they are all law-abiding citizens, that is, until one of them opens fire.

​Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America are asking Kroger to end the practice of open carry in its stores for exactly this reason. This woman is a close associate of at least two of the folks that have been photographed carrying fully loaded high capacity weapons inside Kroger grocery store locations. Kory and Janie Watkins (both with extensive arrest records of their own) are pictured with Dunnachie in the image above.

Kory and Janie Watkin’s mugshots:


Janie Watkins at a Dallas area Kroger store.

I’ve said this countless times: We don’t know who these Open Carriers are so how are we to determine which one is a “good guy with a gun” because obviously, Veronica isn’t.


Big thanks to my source whose anonymity will be respected here. Also, thanks to CoCo, a gun owner with gun sense.

All images obtained via social media, thereby making them fair use.[su_csky_ad]

D.B. Hirsch
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

220 responses to Open Carry Activist Charged With Shooting Death Of Husband, Stepdaughter

  1. dave-dr-gonzo December 11th, 2014 at 12:20 pm

    And people think I’m being sarcastic or extreme when I say that anyone purchasing a weapon more powerful than a Red Rider BB Gun has to pass a mandatory psych eval.

    • tracey marie December 11th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      only gun nutz think you are crazy

  2. rg9rts December 11th, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Oh at last!!!!! I was beginning to worry that we wouldn’t have a entrant for the December NRA shooter of the month award.

    • Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 12:28 pm


    • tracey marie December 11th, 2014 at 12:29 pm


  3. Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Amy’s a rill patriot!

  4. Pilotshark December 11th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    So she shoots two people, then try to hide behind i have a mental problem. and her friends are backing her actions.
    SMH just one big old price of pure sad SH!.T!!!

    • edmeyer_able December 11th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

      Nothing says “pre-meditated” like planning your defense right after committing it.

  5. tiredoftea December 11th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    Sad, but it wasn’t the gun, right? Guns still don’t kill people, deranged people do.

  6. pinballsdoll December 11th, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    only the beginning

  7. CoCo December 11th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    I am absolutely shocked she didn’t use a spoon. Or a swimming pool. Gyaddamn.

    • Foundryman December 11th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      Or a hammer…I hear hammers are used a lot to kill.

      • VeteranLiberal December 11th, 2014 at 5:59 pm

        A gun’s more certain, and works at a distance. That’s why it’s such a common instrument in settling domestic disputes by good guys.

  8. Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    At the RNC meeting, wrapped in the Gadsden Flag. (got tons of these:-)

    • Carla Akins December 11th, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      I had an adorable pair of red, white and blue go-go boots when I was 6 years old. I loved those boots.

      • Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 1:35 pm

        And then you grew up:-)

  9. Foundryman December 11th, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Gee….This is just so hard to believe.

  10. edmeyer_able December 11th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    And members of her group defend her and continue to worry about how this will have an impact on their dam,n rights to open carry, the definition of despicable.

  11. arc99 December 11th, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Should we judge all OpenCarry advocates by the actions of this one person?

    Well, we judged ACORN according to that standard.

    Sauce for the goose.

    • Foundryman December 11th, 2014 at 1:20 pm

      Of course we should. Walking around carrying loaded guns in grocery stores makes all of them nuts.

    • tracey marie December 11th, 2014 at 6:32 pm

      I went to the local kroger headquarters and gave them a piece of my mind. I am considered(theirwords/rating) an Elite customer for over 12 years. I gave the names of 7 other elite customers. They agreed to let the individual stores make the decision. 3 in my area will no longer allow gun in the stores

      • Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 7:14 pm

        Do they have a sign out front? If so, please take a picture of it and send it to me. Thanks!

        • tracey marie December 11th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

          Not that I noticed, I will ask them for verification

      • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:46 am

        Good news for the criminals, “Gun free zone” “Woo hoo!!!!!!!”.

    • Aun Awn December 12th, 2014 at 11:35 am

      A little surprised to see this question asked, thank you for posing it.

      Of course we should NOT, and nor should we judge ACORN by the actions of any one individual associated with them.

  12. Foundryman December 11th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    A call in or letter writing campaign to remind Kroger of how unstable these people are should begin…

    • edmeyer_able December 11th, 2014 at 1:25 pm

      They have been bombarded with tweets concerning this for months now but any pressure on them to change their policy would be welcomed.

  13. Pilotshark December 11th, 2014 at 1:19 pm

    “Veronica Dunnachie, 35, was arrested by police as she drove herself to a nearby mental hospital following the shooting.”

    When asked why, she responded with, I thought it was another Rally and i was meeting my friends and associates, you know who all think like me.

  14. Bunya December 11th, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    That’s why every household should be required to have a loaded firearm handy. It’s a very effective way of saying, “this argument’s over”.

  15. ExPFCWintergreen December 11th, 2014 at 2:07 pm

    I guess the husband wasn’t a Good Guy With A Gun.

    • Aun Awn December 12th, 2014 at 11:37 am

      Lol now there’s a twisted comment.

  16. Tillmann Puschka December 11th, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    hmmm- will be interesting to see if Texas seeks the death penalty for her- she’s not a black female, but she sure did commit murder. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    The comments on this random act of violence by other open carry advocates tell us all we need to know about the people who support this nonsense. Very dangerous, impulsive, stupid people.

  17. smarterboy13 December 11th, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    “Mama didn’t raise no victim,” writes Open Carry Tarrant County. No, but mama did raise a cold-blooded nut job killer, didn’t she?

  18. Red Eye Robot December 11th, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    2 solid years of non stop droning on about it, countless plastic banana studies and you guys lost ground in public opinion. A whopping 9 point shift in public opinion in 2 years! Gun control is dead

    • Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      You forgot to address the topic.

      • allison1050 December 11th, 2014 at 3:19 pm

        details details lol.

    • trenaherringtonchapman December 11th, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      So is this man and his daughter. Not that innocent deaths mean anything to gun hugging idiots.

    • arc99 December 11th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      I don’t dispute the results of the poll.

      I just think it is so typical of right wing hypocrisy that you accept as immutable laws of physics, any poll which supports your opinions.

      But when the same organization conducts a poll on some issue which completely contradicts your opinion, some of you claim the poll is biased and worthless.

      Incidentally, I am a gun-owner, AND support gun control. So put that into your cognitive dissonance backpack.

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      As the 40th anniversary of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision approaches, the public remains opposed to completely overturning the historic ruling on abortion. More than six-in-ten (63%) say they would not like to see the court completely overturn the Roe v. Wade decision, which established a woman’s constitutional right to abortion at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Only about three-in-ten (29%) would like to see the ruling overturned. These opinions are little changed from surveys conducted 10 and 20 years ago.

    • Shades December 11th, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      A man and his daughter were murdered and you’re posting about polls? What kind of ______ are you?

      • fahvel December 11th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

        filling in the blank- one evil mofo without a shred of goodness in his cold heart, er, rectum.

    • rational_thinking_one December 11th, 2014 at 5:44 pm

      Unfortunately, gun control is not the only thing dying. Countless lives are taken each and everyday because it’s too damn easy to kill someone with the cute little plastic handguns and “them ones that make you look like Rambo.” Until the gun nuts of this country concede on handguns and assault rifles, they all share a little drop of blood for every victim that is killed. And at this point, all those little drops are really adding up.

    • fahvel December 11th, 2014 at 9:05 pm

      you are an ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • William December 11th, 2014 at 11:47 pm

      and here I was wondering just what sort of asshole would step in and trumpet some sort of NRA victory rhetoric in the face of the murder of two people, one being a child.

  19. whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

    typical. a white woman kills her family and she will be given the benefit of being mental. i’m sure she called her attorney first and he instructed her to drive there. there’s your defense.

    • MIAtheistGal December 11th, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      And they somehow managed to bring her in without killing her. Funny how that works.

    • Carol Saia December 11th, 2014 at 10:07 pm

      Why did she kill them? need to know the true story first before judging. What if the husband was abusing the kids? cheated on her…we don’t know yet. why kill the other kid?

      • Morel Ardell Carr December 11th, 2014 at 10:50 pm

        Her and her children weren’t even living there anymore, Carol. The other victim was her estranged husband’s daughter, not her own.

      • William December 11th, 2014 at 11:44 pm

        “Why did she kill them?”.

        Because she’s a gun toting asshole.

        ” What if the husband was abusing the kids? cheated on her”.

        Oh yeah…I forgot about THAT possibility.
        I mean it’s not like she could dunno? The police? Child protective services? A divorce lawyer?

        • whatthe46 December 12th, 2014 at 12:16 am

          i made the statement earlier, that her going straight to the damn hospital (mental) was a setup for a mental justification. and here’s this carol.

          • William December 12th, 2014 at 9:04 am

            It’s astounding. A white open carry redneck, murders two people in cold blood, and the mouth breathers circle the wagon. A man is strangled to death on camera, and they put the dead guy on trial.

      • whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 11:51 pm

        are you by any chance related to this woman? no, coward? each of your post reflects to abuse of some kind, thereby exusing her for murder. and you don’t go killing your ex/spouse and their daughter over an affair. that’s simply called a motive, not an excuse. true story… she’s a nut case like the rest of the gun nuts, who shouldn’t own guns and she murdered two people, how’s that? and you’re likely some gun nut as well, because you’re definitely not addressing the article and the irony of it all. abused my a$$!

        • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:31 am

          honey, I don’t own a gun. I am against them, generally. Look up statistics and educate yourself about child abuse and crime, child abuse and personality disorders. I looked up the article, she looks like a wacko from her pictures, I agree with you, that background checks must be mandatory, but some people are real good at hiding their true selves. Check out the book, Malignant Self Love, Narcissism Revisited, by Sam Vaknin or “Abused Boys “, by ?
          gun and knife enthusiasts are usually abused child/adults. Some are just warrior types. Past Life issues…maybe they were murdered or their family was in a previous life. See the book, Many Lives, Many Masters, by DR. Brian Weiss, or the new book called “Soul Survivor”. Life and death is Grander that we think. “Saved by the Light”, Dannion Brinkeley, Vietnam Vet.

      • Johnny_H December 12th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

        You are correct that all of the facts are not out there. But one piece of information that is out, according to media reports such as the coverage of this incident in the NY Daily News, is that the judge handling the divorce case had ordered Veronica to move out of the house.
        If one of the possibilities you suggest were to be the case, I presume that it is more likely that her husband would have been the one ordered out. Could be totally off base on that but at least the notion is supported by the details reported so far and not complete speculation as is this idea that there may have been some abuse that you keep putting forward.

  20. whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    but, tamir was the dangerous one.

  21. Arakiba December 11th, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    If you’re too scared to leave your house without openly carrying a gun, stay the hell home, you cowards.

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:24 am

      Get over your fears. Do you want law enforcement disarmed as well? Does the sight of that bunch of metal parts scare you that much? Maybe you should be the one to avoid this big bad scary world.

      • Aun Awn December 12th, 2014 at 11:29 am

        It does sound like he’s a little offended by open carries, doesn’t it? I don’t need a gun to leave my house nor am I afraid of or offended by those who carry them openly.

        Should look up how many people have actually been shot at open-carry rallies, my guess is not many.

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:41 am

          Actually the number is zero, same as gun shows.

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 9:16 am

            And no buildings were burned or looted.

  22. Budda December 11th, 2014 at 3:28 pm

    A Texas kind of crazy.

  23. Anomaly 100 December 11th, 2014 at 3:57 pm

  24. Web_World December 11th, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    Guns are preventing the USA from becoming a civilized nation!

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:22 am

      If you call cowering in the corner waiting for the police civil. If you believe that strongly, why aren’t you advocating to disarm all law enforcement as well?

      • Shades December 12th, 2014 at 11:25 am

        We’re not the ones afraid to go to the grocery store unarmed.

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:39 am

          Right, because we all know grocery stores and the people in them never get robbed, right? You are just like the others that have decided that it isn’t your job to protect yourselves, that’s fine, don’t ever change.

  25. Shades December 11th, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    Wait, what? Guns didn’t make them safer?

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:20 am

      They sure do, proven all the time.

      • Shades December 12th, 2014 at 11:25 am

        Proven by the dead husband and daughter? Riiiiggghhht!

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:34 am

          Yup. People, everyday, exercise self protection with their guns. But, then again, common sense tells you that. Please don’t you ever own a gun because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

          • Shades December 12th, 2014 at 11:39 am

            Yup??? You’re saying the murdered husband and daughter were safer with an armed, crazy ex running around? Then you plead with me not to arm myself so the crazy ones can murder me too? WTH is wrong with you?

          • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:46 am

            The “yup” was to show the absurdity of your post. The request for you to never own or carry a gun was to help keep you from being a hypocrite. Your apparent fear of inanimate objects must be justified in your mind so I’ll repeat, please don’t ever legally own or possess a firearm. Nothing wrong with me, I believe in exercising my Constitutional rights.

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:36 am

          Truly tragic in this case. On average, 92 people died in auto accidents that same day, is that no big deal to you? I mean, what’s 92 vs 2, right?

          • Shades December 12th, 2014 at 11:41 am

            Were those 92 people murdered by crazy people? Murder is obviously no big deal to you, I mean, what’s a couple dozen massacred school children, right?

          • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:54 am

            What difference does it make how those people in auto accidents lost their lives? They’re dead. As for the second part of your idiotic post, it’s tragic that those children and adults lost their lives at Sandy Hook, who was there to stop Lanza? “Gun free zones” are “target rich environments” to those that want to kill, right?

  26. rational_thinking_one December 11th, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    I guess this will just be another stat to further increase the odds of gun owners being killed by a gun. No thanks. I’ll have no guns and take my chances against the big bad boogie man out there.

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:19 am

      And you’ll never call 911 when you feel your life is in danger? That’s right, depend on others for your safety, good luck with that.

      • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:15 am

        baseball bats hurt, not as fast as a gun, but….

        • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:44 am

          A little short on range though.

  27. shutupandknit December 11th, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    Hmm, maybe this will be a trend. Open Carry nuts doing in each other!

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:17 am

      Trend, one? Yeah, okay. 92 people, on average, died the same day in auto accidents, ban cars?

  28. Tommy6860 December 11th, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    Really really sad 🙁 !

    However this does not suprise me one iota. When I read the comments on the CJ Grisham FB account screen grab, it’s easy to see why incidents like these simply become nothing more than a cliche for these gun nuts. When one responds to this crap with this sociopathic comment, “Many people die every day. This circumstance is no different than all the others”, it’s easy to surmise that some of these wingers own guns like it’s either a fetish or simply obsessive compulsive behavior.

    • whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 6:15 pm

      yeah, i found that post to be disturbing as well.

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:16 am

      So you will always depend on someone else to protect you? Sad, no personal responsibility.

  29. whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    funny how the bad guy with a gun was living among them the whole time.

    • Carol Saia December 11th, 2014 at 10:04 pm

      just like abuse, The family almost always knows the abuser.

      • whatthe46 December 12th, 2014 at 12:18 am

        give it a rest. i’m talking “dirt nap” rest. just stop already.

        • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:13 am

          are you telling me to die? dirt nap. please. you sound like a very angry man. who hurt you?

  30. Dr. Matt December 11th, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Good riddance.

  31. Grover Syck December 11th, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    It is far past time for strict gun control.
    Every gun registered, and every gun owner must have a detailed psychological work up done before taking possession of a gun.

    • fahvel December 11th, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      why does anyone in the usa need a gun?

      • Obewon December 11th, 2014 at 9:29 pm

        Exactly! Hunters can be required to keep guns and ammo in a stockade armory just like the U.K., many other nations and the U.S. Military are required to do.

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:14 am

          The concept of self protection is a foreign one to you, huh?

          • Obewon December 12th, 2014 at 7:56 pm

            Boo! Maybe you’l learn why martial arts defeats delusional disorder paranoids 99% of the time.

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:38 am

            Why would I learn martial arts? I legally carry a sidearm. Penis size, really? Proves my point about you childish whiners, you have no valid point, sad really.

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 2:36 pm

            You can’t legally carry any sidearm per SCOTUS D.C. Heller until you (1) Annually pay fees and (2) pass a background check annually. (3) Submit to any local laws for (inspection, gunsafe, etc) and (4) Register all guns and ammo annually. Each year you must repeat steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 or you’re just another illegal gun owner like Rick Perry barred from guns and ammo possession.

            Face it. Everyone laughs at you inbreds because you’re se well proven functionally and legally illiterate.

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 4:19 pm

            Yup, I can as I don’t live in DC. Your “penis” obsession is troubling to me. I’m not here to judge if “penis” is what you desire, I prefer women. I’m not on a military base, lets try to keep the conversation focused, shall we?

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

            “The right of the people to keep and bear (penis envy) shall not be infringed”Steve Harmon seems to have a Lorena Bobbitt problem.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 10:22 am

            Okay “penis” boy, I see your lack of knowledge on the subject has led you down the same path as those that lose the conversation based on facts, you head directly to grade school insults. I’ve grown past that so enjoy your “penis” references, I’m sure we all get a chuckle from your lame tactics. Gov. Perry has been indicted, yes. Being indicted still, in Texas, allows him the ownership of all his weapons and ammo unlike you improperly asserted earlier. Your list constituting what is a felon does not pertain to Gov Perry as he has not, as of this writing, been found guilty.

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 9:13 am

            Their gun laws have also been ruled too restrictive. Problem is they don’t seem to want to obey the decision and are having to be sued to comply with a court decision they don’t agree with.

            In Palmer v. D.C. they are trying to get Judge Scullin to hold the city in contempt of his order to enact a licensing mechanism “enabling people to exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms.”

        • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

          Under what laws? You advocate disobeying the Constitution? Sorry, never going to happen.

          • Obewon December 12th, 2014 at 7:50 pm

            US Military weapons are “well regulated” that’s why they’re “required to keep guns and ammo in a stockade armory.”-per the “well regulated”-2nd Amendment. Remember to keep arms inside the car at all times….

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:36 am

            “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed” is the part that relates to me as I’m not part of a militia. You seam to have conveniently, for you, left that part out. Ha ha, doesn’t matter, I have the Constitution on my side, you and all the scared lemming whiners have Bloomberg”s money and his “Show Pony” Gabby on yours. You lose, America wins.

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

            TX Guber Rick Perry as required surrendered any guns and ammo he possessed and is legally barred from purchasing any guns and ammo.

            “No right is absolute”: Perry like all indicted and or convicted felons are barred from possessing guns and ammo. Also barred from guns and ammo in the USA besides “Felons” are: those under judicial restraining orders, legally adjudicated mental defectives, Dishonorably discharged Veterans, those on DHS & FBI watchlists, and non U.S. citizens.

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 4:27 pm

            I fail to see the connection between Gov. Perry and myself, maybe you can try to explain when you have a moment.

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

            Oh, by the way, seing as you appear to want to present yourself as an expert on gun laws, let me correct you. You mentioned the Gov. is “barred from possessing guns and ammo”. That is incorrect as he is not a “convicted” felon. As such, he is free to keep as many guns and as much ammo as he already owns. He’s free to carry his guns on his property. There, you’re welcome for the education. My ignorance? Nope, my truthful guidance. unlike some that seem to be agenda driven, I welcome discussion and the chance to learn new things. Sorry, you have the wrong Steve Harmon in mind as I meet none of the criteria you set forth. I legally own all 15+ weapons in my possession and more ammo than I could envision using. Threw that part in just to get your blood pressure up a few points.

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

            ‘Oh by the way..’ Back on topic: Perry like all other Felons, etc Disarmed blew a hole right on through your tin foil helmet!

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 10:54 pm

            ‘Oh by the way..’ Back on topic: Perry like all other Felons, etc Disarmed blew a hole right on through your tin foil helmet!

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 10:12 am

            Oh, by the way, we have this thing in the legal system called, “innocent until proven guilty”. Gov. Perry was indicted not found guilty, hence, not an “indicted felon”, please try to keep up. There is this thing called Google, it’s a great resource for the uninformed, like you. Your arguments become much stronger when you use facts, otherwise people see you for what you really are, a liar and that’s not helpful, don’t you think? When you re-read the post you are referring to you will find only facts, no tin foil involved here, just facts, sorry if you have a hard time with that.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 3:13 pm

            Guber Perry was Ordered Disarmed by the Judge because he is an Indicted Felon on many felony charges.

            1) Perry lost his attempt to have his case dismissed without any “Trial”-Fact!

            2) Perry remains ‘legally barred from guns and ammo possession’-Fact!

            3) ‘Perry Hasn’t been tried yet’-Fact!

            4) “Gov. Perry was indicted not found guilty, hence, not an “indicted felon”-Steve Harmon is a Delusional Liar-Fact!

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 3:37 pm

            Nice try Obewon (odd screen name for someone with so little knowledge) but, nope. Indicted by a grand jury does not = felon. As such all I have said about this before is “fact”, your’s is simply wishful thinking but nice try. Unfortunately for you, people do not rely on you for facts as evidenced by the lack of people assigning “up votes” to you, so sad. Keep trying though, “penis boy”, someday someone other than ted will believe you.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

            “Yup, that’s me, too stupid.”-Steve Harmon! We can all agree that you’ve well proven yourself to be a mis/uninformed airhead.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 4:00 pm

            Thanks. Nope, Gov. Perry was not ordered disarmed by a judge and I can prove it. Please direct us all to any website that has pics of law enforcement arriving at Gov. Perry’s residence to collect his arsenal (quite large) and ammunition. I’m sure your gun-grabbing buddies would have covered that extensively. There is no such thing as an “indicted felon” until after someone is found guilty, in a court, of any felony charges. Of course, I and anyone else convicted felony could have their guns taken, what a stupid statement. Just to clear things up, when and by whom was Gov. Perry ordered disarmed. I have searched and found no such order. So, once again, you’re a liar but no surprise there, at least you are consistent. What’s the Judge’s name liar? Come on liar, what’s his name? Ha ha ha, busted for lying again, wow, this is too easy, liar.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 6:05 pm

            ‘eye are dumb’-Steve Harmon e.g.

            Proving “You Lie!” is even your own Teabagg News Network ‘splains it real s l o w: -“Shall Not be Infringed’? Rick Perry Now Disallowed from Purchasing Firearms, Ammunition or Carrying Concealed” The teabagg tittle forgot to mention Guber Perry was also ordered by the judge to “Surrender any and all weapons.”

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

            Where, in that article, does it say Gov. Perry has been ordered, by any judge, since you can’t name one, to turn any of his guns over to any authority? Keep trying but we all know you to be the whiny, insignificant little libidiot liar that you are. Once again thank you for proving my point with the reference you’ve provided. Keep trying liar, we all anxiously await the judges name that issued the order to turn over all his weapons and ammo.

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 6:46 pm

            Seems you are ignoring the LINK that was provided. You are nothing more then a tired teabagg troll with a filthy big mouth and a small intellect

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:02 pm

            Nope, I thanked the liyin little libidiot (filthy mouth?) for the link as it proves all the points I’ve been making on the subject. The lying little libidiot has yet to prove his assertion that a judge has ordered Gov. Perry to relinquish his weaponry. I would think your use of the term, “teabagg” (two g’s?) is the only filthy mouth employed here. Try to keep up tracey. Facts are difficult to dispute unless you are, yourself, a lying libidiot. Thanks for playing along though, please stay tuned to see what the lying libidiot comes up with next.

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

            waaa, go spew your inbred teabagg garbage at brietbart. No one cares what you babble. Personally I like watching your type troll and play the inbred fools, it makes me laugh at your desperation and obvious pathetic life on online trolling. Google is your friend lazy bagger, try it

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:39 pm

            No crying here, no desperation here, I enjoy using facts and upsetting little lying libidiot (that’s a combination of liberal and idiot, pretty clever, huh?) trolls like you, it brings a smile to my face. Poor thing, resorting to spewing what you intend as denigrations that are only entertainment for me, as it shows me that you have already lost based on the facts. So, please, let’s have more, let’s see how imaginative you can become.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 7:04 pm

            ‘Any indicted Tx felons facing 1 year in prison may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.’ Weapon or ammo Possession is another felony charge against indicted felony teabagger Ricky-Bobby Perry.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:32 pm

            Ahh ha ha, poor little thing, you try so hard but that’s exactly what I’ve been saying, he may not purchase guns or ammo, he must not carry concealed, we agree. Where is the reference to your assertion that he must turn over any guns or ammo that he already owns? You lose again liar. What, again, is the judge’s name that ordered him to turn over the guns and ammo that is already in his possession? Typical little lying libidiot, you make statements that you cannot back up with evidence. Keep trying though, I’ll be anxiously waiting for that name (that doesn’t exist) or for you to admit you lied, either will do.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 7:35 pm

            “Steve Harmon • a day ago “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”-Debunked as a well proven shithead by Guber Perry’s inability to “bear Arms” as an indicted felon facing 1 year+ in prison.

            Next-up: Teabagger Steve Harmon pleas for OCT & OCTC admitted double murderer of her family to be rearmed in prison!

            ‘You’re always lying like Breitbart’-TX Tracy Marie. “Steve Harmon”-huh? “The right of the (indicted felons) to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”-Teabagged Steve Harmon. D’oh!

          • Anomaly 100 December 14th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

            You’re done here.

          • whatthe46 December 14th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

            that’s simply not true that you have to be convicted of a felon to have your guns removed. a judge can order that simply based on the charges.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:09 pm

            Okay, I’ll have to go with your expertise in this area. I’m referring to the Governor spacifically and the fact that he, Gov. Perry, has not received such an order as asserted by the lying libidiot that I’ve been conversing with. Thanks though.

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 6:48 pm

            I do not see any upvotes on your treabagg tripe

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:05 pm

            Can’t help you there little one except to suggest glasses, hope this helps. Merry Christmas.

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 7:08 pm

            trolling is a mental illness, the ACA can help you with your meds

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:44 pm

            Nope, wrong again, it’s a way for little lying libidiots, like you to interject yourself into a conversation with the objective of steering a conversation away from the facts, That won’t work here as I deal in facts exclusively. Don’t let that stop you though, it’s very entertaining reading your silly little, unfactual, rants. In other words, I just love pissing you and your kind off.

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 8:39 pm

            more impotent rage from the mentally ill steve, I know it is mean to pick on your kind….but you make it fun to poke

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 6:59 pm

            I love the fact that Perry lost his concealed carry permit and is disallowed from buying any guns and ammo.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 7:10 pm

            Perry disarmed leaves the paranoid guber hiding from his own shadow wishing he knew how to defend himself via martial arts:)

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 6:49 pm

            lol, you do not welcome anything but bling obedience to your teabagg tripe. You call names, attack and show your ass with every post

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:15 pm

            I have no idea what “bling obedience” is but, if you take the time to read my posts you will find nothing but fact, that is all I need. “Show my ass”? I have no idea how to respond except to suggest you take some deep breaths and try to view this conversation objectively. Failing that, have fun and spew as much hatred as you please because, little one, your view of me means nothing.

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 9:06 am

            Perry’s crime is a state crime. Rights restoration for state crimes can be restored judicially on state level. Only a federal crime requires a pardon.

            Minnesota, a blue state I believe, has some of the most lax laws dealing with this.




            Perhaps the most lenient state on gun rights restoration is Minnesota. In this state, non-violent felons can regain their firearms rights as soon as they complete their sentences, reports the Times. And people who have committed a violent felony can petition a court to have their rights restored without even notifying prosecutors.

            On the opposite end of the spectrum, California has perhaps the most difficult laws to regain gun rights. In California, a felon would have to receive a pardon from the governor to regain the ability to legally carry a gun.

          • Obewon December 16th, 2014 at 8:57 pm

            Maybe you can ‘expalin why FL Guber “Jeb Bush” considered no more than 200 “Pardons” annually so Voting rights of FL citizens could be restored to about 80 people each year.

            You must be beginning to realize why we laugh at how uninformed teabaggers are so well proven to be? (Answer 49% of self described conservatives get their political news from just 1 source: Always debunked and never updated GOP TV Faux News!)

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 9:12 pm

            Each state, as I mentioned in the above post has different laws on restoration of rights.
            Here are Florida’s.
            You really need to do a bit less insulting, and more research.
            And read posts a little closer.
            I am trying to have a substantive discussion of issues, you seem to want to insult those who disagree with you. Something I have respectfully not done.




            And I ask again, do YOU personally believe that a convicted felon after serving their sentence deserves a second chance and restoration of rights?

          • Obewon December 16th, 2014 at 9:00 pm

            BTW you must know by now Perry can’t buy or possess Guns & Ammo because of his Felony indictments? GOP TV never told y’all? LMAO!

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 9:21 pm

            His CHL was revoked cannot carry concealed.


          • Obewon December 16th, 2014 at 9:52 pm

            You read, wade through the BS & believe the Murdoch Post! Lol they couldn’t even give it away for free here in NYC. Did you figure out why the NY Post has won 00.0% Pulitzer Prizes since GOP TV bought it?

            Ask Guber Ricky-Bobby to buy you or himself Guns & Ammo and see how fast he’ll be charged with additional felonies! Under federal law, he is prohibited from buying guns and ammunition while under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year. Guber Perry is charged with abuse of official capacity, a first-degree felony, and coercion of a public official, a third-degree felony, handed down by a state grand jury. He faces up to 99 years in jail if convicted of the first-degree felony!

            GOP teabagger Perry for POTUDumbazz’ until conviction & incarceration~

          • amongoose December 17th, 2014 at 8:41 am

            Rick Perry may not buy a weapon but can keep what he owns now. Right to own is only lost on conviction. It is temporary seizure in cases such as domestic abuse, restraining orders and such where a someones life is in danger. And no one can buy a weapon for another person, that is a straw purchase prohibited by federal law.

            I came to this site by invitation in an email. I came due to my respect for the founder Alan. Although I may disagree with him on about everything except civil rights, and surveillance I respect him. He argues his point with civility and class which I assumed on a site founded by him I would find unlike most left and right side sites. It looks like I was wrong.

            You do a diservice to civilized discourse as well as dishonor him with your constant abusive diatribes and petty insults.

            You really need to lose the hate, it is going to eat you up inside, if it already hasn’t.

            I can disagree with someone and not hate them, you it seems can’t do that.

            A few lessons on proper and civil debate would be in your best interests. As would be aquiring some non-abrasive people skills. I would recomend Dale Carnige’s “How to win friends and influence people”. You don’t seem to like to refute arguments with anything but hateful insults, inuendos, and slurs. You seem to prefer an echo chamber to an exchange of ideas. Sad, because without the free flow of ideas you can’t grow, you can only rot.

            Getting a straight answer is it seems is absolutely impossible. It is easier to influence someone if you are reasonable rather than constantly and venomously combative.

            It seems to me that a caring, compassionate liberal would believe in giving second chances, but your refusal to commit to whether you personally think felons should be allowed restoration of rights makes me doubt your compassion and love for your fellow man.

          • ted December 13th, 2014 at 11:02 pm

            And typically you “seam” to be illiterate. You can’t cherry pick what you want out of the Constitution, conveniently leave the rest of it out and say it’s on your “side”!

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 10:38 am

            Teddy teddy, If you can follow along you will find that I was referring to “penis” boys reference to “well regulated” in the 2nd amendment. I was simply adding the other part that the 2nd amendment refers to, my individual right to own and bear Arms. Please, for the sake of all that follow these postings, try to keep up, it makes it much more enjoyable for them.

          • ted December 14th, 2014 at 10:57 am

            Stevie, Stevie, the 2nd Amendment isn’t that long but maybe you need to have someone read it to you. It says “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
            State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
            infringed.” It doesn’t say “Every beer guzzling, tin-foil hat wearing inbred Goober with the IQ of a potato has the right to intimidate mothers with their children shopping at Kroger.”

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 11:11 am

            Ahhhh ha ha ha, just the kind of response I was expecting from you, very good, perfect lying libidiot reply, thanks for not disappointing. By the way, very good writing of the second amendment, now try to find someone to explain it to you. You may want to ask yourself how gun shops can, legally, sell guns to anyone that doesn’t have proof they are in, “A well regulated Militia. Haven’t you ever wondered about that?

          • tracey marie December 14th, 2014 at 6:50 pm

            finish the complete amendment . Your kind always brietbart which is lying

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:21 pm

            Please do try to follow along, will you? Okay, to humor you, are probably referring to the first part that mentions the Militia. If that is what you are referring to then maybe you, unlike the other lying libidiot that I’ve had conversations with, can explain how it is that hundreds of millions of guns have been legally sold to citizens, like me, without the requirement to prove our affiliation with or to any Militia. Please address that for us all little one. Poor thing, you try so hard, so sad.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 7:22 pm

            “Your kind always brietbart which is lying”? What is it you are trying to say?

          • ted December 13th, 2014 at 10:57 pm

            You might want to have someone READ the Constitution to you sometime. A bunch of beer guzzling skeered yahoos with an IQ that matches their belt size, packing heat because there is potentially a boogieman in the produce aisle at Kroger does not meet the definition of a “well regulated militia”.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 10:33 am

            I always keep a copy near so as to educate the ignorant, such as yourself. Any questions that I may help clear up for you? You may want to re-read the 2nd amendment. When you do, you will find it refers to two different things, one being “a well regulated militia and secondly, the right of the people. I am not in a militia and, when I legally purchased my firearms, over the years, was never asked to prove that I was. How’s that possible, an ignorant libidiot, such as yourself, might ask. It’s all there in the 2nd amendment. Pisses you off to be wrong but that’s exactly what all you little whiners are, wrong. To prove that, you can’t point to one SCOTUS decision that finds I must be in a militia in order to, legally, own firearms. Ha ha, you lose, but you already knew that, didn’t you little one. There, there, it’s okay, someday you’ll learn. That’s why I’m here, to teach, you’re welcome. Merry Christmas.

          • ted December 14th, 2014 at 11:16 am

            Just because there is a comma there doesn’t mean it is talking about “two different things” and the intent was so the colonies could defend themselves from tyranny. It doesn’t say anything about a bunch of insecure, paranoid, neurotic, skeered, John Wayne wannabes who need a gun to feel like a man.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 11:43 am

            Okay then, I’ll ask again, how is it that guns may be sold to those of us that have no affiliation to or with a Militia? You certainly enjoy throwing out your fantasy descriptions of gun owners and I find it very entertaining to see that when you know that your argument is weak that attempted denigration is always your “go-to”. So predictable and funny. Can’t wait for your reply, ha ha.

          • charles johnston December 15th, 2014 at 9:47 am

            Wow, Ted. Congratulations. I don’t believe I have ever read a more disjointed, stupid, strawman example of the 2nd amenedment. You should probably have somebody read YOU the bill of rights first.

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 7:14 am

            District Of Columbia Et Al. V. Heller made it clear it is an individual right.

        • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 7:18 am

          50% of UK home invasions are hot burglaries but only 10% of US homes.

          Studies of criminals show they are less willing (68%) to burglarize an occupied home in US because someone there could be armed.

          • Obewon December 16th, 2014 at 7:29 am

            U.S. Murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 – the latest year for which detailed statistics are available – there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.

            32,163 in the USA were killed by guns in 2010 and another 70,000+ are shot each costing $174 Billion. FBI/CDC Guns shoot 22-43 times more friends and family in the USA than any intruder e.g. this articles Open Carry TX and OCTC gun nuts double murder momicide.

          • tracey marie December 16th, 2014 at 7:53 am

            what studies, some gun group

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 8:59 am

            And a study by an anti gun group would carry weight like the everytown study on school shootings that included after hours shootings, gang related shootings, accidental discharges by school resource officers, and suicides is legitimate?
            While technically correct they are disingenuous at best.

            As with anyone with an agenda you have to dig a bit sometimes.

            Guns in the home do deter crime, according to a new study done for the U.S. Department of Justice by James Wright.

            Wright, a professor of sociology at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, surveyed more than 1,800 inmates, all convicted of felonies, in 10 state prisons across the nation. He found that 80 percent reported that burglars avoid houses when people are home because ”they fear getting shot during the crime.”


          • tracey marie December 16th, 2014 at 11:37 am

            so there is no study, got it

          • amongoose December 16th, 2014 at 12:11 pm


      • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:12 am

        “Need”? Don’t know. I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.

        • fahvel December 12th, 2014 at 12:53 pm

          are you really that much of a coward? Why live where you need a cop or a gun stuffed into your pants – sad sad man, eh?

          • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

            Yup, I’m not “Billy bad-ass” like you, I’d need a gun to go against someone trying to do me or my loved ones harm. Good to know that you’ve found Utopia where there has never been an attempted crime against an innocent person. As for me, I live in reality.

          • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:11 am

            what happened to you in your life? do you have an experience?

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:30 am

            Yes, I have. I am also a believer in the Constitution of these United States. So, you go head and live in denial, I choose reality. I wear a seatbelt, not because I expect to have an accident, I wear a helmet when riding my motorcycle, not because I expect to smash my head open. No need to worry about me and my sidearm unless you wish to do me harm.

          • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 2:24 pm

            Coward, me? You are the one scared sh*tless by an inanimate object, that’s cowardly.

          • DD December 12th, 2014 at 7:33 pm

            It’s not the inanimate object we’re afraid of, it’s the animate idiots holding them. We don’t want gun control on the gun but on the person owning the gun. We don’t want background checks on the gun, but the person who wants to own the gun. You are a fool if you think it is the gun that scares us. It’s you and those like you and this crazy ass woman who own the guns that we worry about. So please stop with the car analogies already.

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:25 am

            Yeah, well, it’s the armed criminals that scare me. You and those like you lose and will always lose because we have a Constitutional amendment on our side, so deal with your fears, you will always lose the argument, thank God. Merry Christmas.

      • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:13 am

        Why do you need car insurance?

        • TJ MC December 12th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

          You think you need a gun like you need car insurance?

          • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 2:17 pm

            My point is, why be without either if I can legally do so, I plan on never needing either but would feel pretty stupid if I did and didn’t have it.

          • whatthe46 December 12th, 2014 at 11:40 pm

            yeah. well so did they and 2 are dead, 3 children are w/o their mother and this nut case is going to prison for life. guess the 2 dead don’t have to worry about feeling stupid any longer eh?

          • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 9:42 am

            Yup and if he had been armed she might be the dead one. Find a way to disarm the criminals first then we’ll see.

          • ted December 13th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

            Then maybe gun owners should be required to have insurance to cover the costs for the thousands of people injured or killed by negligent “responsible gun owners”, huh?

          • ted December 13th, 2014 at 10:51 pm

            Then maybe gun owners should be required to have insurance to cover the costs for the thousands of people injured or killed by negligent “responsible gun owners”, huh?

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 10:04 am

            I’m sure many do, it’s called homeowners insurance. By the way, please share your source for the “thousands” of people injured or killed by negligent “responsible gun owners” or, as I suspect, are these just more of your uninformed “feelings”.

          • ted December 14th, 2014 at 11:06 am

            Why? Are you too stupid to Google it yourself? Well, here ya go Jethro:
            In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.

            Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American
            soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the
            U.S. in an average two-year period

            From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.

            Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.

            People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from
            unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.

            A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8%
            of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.

          • Steve Harmon December 14th, 2014 at 11:38 am

            Yup, that’s me, too stupid. Now lets get to some more “facts”. As many as 200,000 women use a firearm each year to defend themselves from sexual attacks, even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self defense, citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1527 to 606), every year as many as 500,000 defend themselves with a firearm while away from home, State which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggrivated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%. See, we both have “facts”, so what? How many of the civilians that you mention having died from gunshots (in the thousands as you mentioned) were criminals? How will you disarm those that possess guns illegally? Whine all you want, libidiot, you anti-gunners will never win and us “tin foil hat wearing, beer belly, blah blah blah, Patriotic Americans will not be disarmed, as long as we follow the law, and that pisses elitist losers like you off to no end, ha ha ha, we win, you lose.

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:10 am

      Why? You really trust the Govt with that info? How does that stop those that aren’t law abiding? Why not just subject every American to a mandatory “detailed psychological work up”? 92, on average, per day killed in auto accidents, what would you have the Govt do about that?

  32. Obewon December 11th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    Darwinism is rapidly eliminating the 22 to 43 times more families and friends shot by gun owners than any intruder. No wonder gun owning households plummeted from 51% in the 1970’s to 29% in 2008.

  33. fahvel December 11th, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    texas should use a rusty needle.

  34. Carol Saia December 11th, 2014 at 10:02 pm

    Was Veronica an abused child? Adults who feel powerless and vulnerable have had emotional, physical or sexual abuse in their backgrounds. Child abuse causes brain damage. see or on fb.

    • whatthe46 December 11th, 2014 at 11:44 pm

      are you looking to defend what she did with an excuse by “possible abuse?”

      • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:07 am

        not defend, just trying to figure out why would someone do that. its in my nature to analyse and I’ve been studying child abuse and it’s affects. Some people are able to heal, some repeat, and some go postal.

    • CoCo December 12th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

      Maybe. Or maybe she was just an asshole.

      • Carol Saia December 13th, 2014 at 1:09 am

        I don’t think we are born assholes. We are turned that way by bad/uneducated/cruel parenting-society.

  35. dick_sakwrinkle December 12th, 2014 at 7:16 am

    Stupid bad guys with guns. Assholes…every one of ’em

  36. Luke Atmahcok December 12th, 2014 at 8:19 am

    So was she the “good guy with a gun”? I’m confused here.

    • Steve Harmon December 12th, 2014 at 11:02 am

      Nope, just another loon that shouldn’t been near a gun. Two dead vs the 92, on average, that died in auto accidents on that day. Ban all “assault” autos? That leaves 270,000,000 guns that didn’t, unlawfully, shoot someone that day, what’s your point?

      • viva_democracy December 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

        Except, those were auto ACCIDENTS, as opposed to some ammosexual purposely shooting and killing her family. A gun was made for the end result of killing, not an automobile. #Fail

        • Steve Harmon December 13th, 2014 at 4:46 pm

          Tell me, what difference do you think that means to their loved ones that had to bury them. Pretty lame response on your part, don’t you think? My 15+ guns have never killed anyone, do you think I should sue the manufacturer because, in your mind,all they were made for was killing? Should I suffer some legal penalty if all I use some of mine is for target shooting? No, Automobiles aren’t made for killing, yet they do at a much higher rate than guns, do you not care about that? Your name implies that you approve of democracy, why?

        • Luke Atmahcok December 18th, 2014 at 8:26 am

          Can you drive a gun to work? To the store? To take your kids to school? No. Some people need cars to get from point A to point B. People don’t really need guns. That said, I’m not against people owning guns. I just want the pieces put in place to make sure, to the best that we can, that the wrong people don’t end up owning guns.

  37. amongoose December 12th, 2014 at 9:00 am

    And illegal carry proponents in Chicago murder hundreds a year.

    • mugatu December 13th, 2014 at 1:28 pm

      Yep if you are a convicted felon on parole you can drive 3 hours to Indiana get a trunk full of guns without worrying about a background check, yours is the typical ignorant comment.

      • amongoose December 13th, 2014 at 1:37 pm

        From a licensed dealer, or from the trunk of the car of an illegal seller?

        • viva_democracy December 13th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

          Indiana has some of the loosest gun laws out there. Mugatu is correct. Plus, ONLY the city of Chicago has the strict gun laws, not the entire state of Illinois.

          • amongoose December 13th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

            They still, by federal law require a background check for a FFL dealer to sell one. If they are selling to felons, or without a background check the laws are on the books to prosecute them. If they are selling to straw buyers who resell them that as well is illegal, prosecute them. When weapons are picked up from criminals they can be traced back to the selling dealer as all weapons shipped to them have their serial numbers recorded.

          • Obewon December 13th, 2014 at 11:15 pm

            “Online gun sales” from many states negate “by federal law require a background check” private sellers at Gun shows also defeat your feigned, or real ignorance. Did learn what you typed from faux newscasters or a Limbaughtomy from Lush Rimjob?

          • amongoose December 13th, 2014 at 11:45 pm

            Which states do not?
            All online gun purchases must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Dealer, who will complete the transfer according to all the laws of your state.
            As it is interstate commerce it must follow federal law which requires a background check for the sale.

            I made no mention of private sellers, only dealers.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 12:26 am

            Rhetorically: how uninformed are you? A: More than a dozen states sell guns online without background checks.

            FBI>35% to 40% of guns are bought in the USA annually without background checks via the “Private sellers” ‘gunshow loophole’ plus about 1/4 sold by “the 2% of FFL dealers” who illegally sell guns without background checks in states, requiring background checks.

    • viva_democracy December 13th, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      Except, wasn’t this lady supposed to be, “a good guy/girl with a gun”? Hmmmmm.

  38. noprops December 12th, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Yep, seems to be something about these open carry gun nuts that really sets them aside from the normal gun owner and user ….

  39. ted December 13th, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    As usual, guns don’t kill people, WHACK JOB IDIOTS WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE!

  40. jsutton December 14th, 2014 at 12:18 am

    She needed to express herself – unfortunately a gun was handy.

  41. charles johnston December 14th, 2014 at 11:45 am

    The tone of the article is clear. “C.J. Grisham, leader of Open Carry Texas, will surely deny that she was a member of his extremist group of gun toting miscreants, but there are screen shots which have circulated which will counter any denials by him and I’ll be happy to tweet them out, because I’m nice like that.”
    Wording like that does not convey news, only opinion.

  42. Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

    Why do just 16 states require Background checks today on handgun sales? “->16 states and Washington, D.C., already (require Background checks) for all handgun sales. In these states.

    A: the NRA supports and arms terrorists by negating background checks and other gun laws that “Rearm Convicted Felons” at the state level!

    Everyone knows federal law also prohibits Felons from owning guns & ammo too! But the NRA rearms these domestic terrorists in many states.

    • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      What laws are those?

      • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 5:56 pm

        Lol. D’oh! “How the NRA Works to Rearm Criminals” including Felons convicted of murder and manslaughter. Next-up: OCT wants guns in prison for double-homicide murdering member.

        • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 7:24 pm

          So anyone committing a felony should lose their right to own a firearm permanently?
          If there is no chance of someone convicted of a crime of ever being able to in essence become a full citizen again why what would be their incentive to want to change their lives?
          In my opinion a second firearms offense, especially one resulting in harm, they should never be allowed out again, but that’s just my opinion. Recidivism of released criminals accounts for most crimes. But permanent incarceration is another can of worms.

          A gun allowed in a prison for a felon?
          Please explain that one. Googling it showed an open carry advocate being arrested, but no mention of anyone trying to obtain permission for a felon in prison to have a gun. That would be in violation of a lot of state and federal laws.

          Open carry, I think is silly, it is easier to disarm them. Prefer concealed carry as the bad guys don’t know who is armed.
          A survey of prisoners showed that over half were did not do home invasions of occupied dwellings due to someone at home might have a gun.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 8:03 pm

            Felons can’t vote either. But hey you could’ve petitioned Guber Jeb Bush personally on One day per year to be one of 180 brought before the FL gov for a pardon. Prerequisite is proof of your ‘biblical conversion, bible studies as evidence of your redemption.’ All others need not apply.

            Felons forfeit their right to vote, or to possess guns just like any dishonorably discharged veterans, those under judicial restraining orders, adjudicated mental defectives, those on DHS, FBI or ATF watchlists, or non-citizens. None of whom can legally possess guns or ammo, just like convicted felons!

          • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 8:31 pm

            So are you saying they should never have a chance to have their rights restored?
            And actually non citizens here legally can by recent court decision posses firearms.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 8:40 pm

            Do you know what a pardon is? Hint Cheney’s Chief of Staff Scooter Libby never got a pardon, and is also barred from VOTING or guns & ammo too!

            Felons could have “petitioned Guber Jeb Bush personally on One day per year to be one of 180 brought before the FL gov for a pardon”

          • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 8:55 pm



            There, answeree your question, now please answer mine.
            Should a convicted felon ever be allowed to have his rights removed from conviction restored?

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 9:19 pm

            Do you have a reputable Pulitzer Prize winning source? E.g. Reuters, NYT, WaPo, LA Times. Guns.bozos isn’t even close to reputable or accurate. ” “Ironically,” Gottlieb explained “-404 no working Link.

          • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 9:30 pm

            Case 1:14-cv-00333-JMS-RLP Document 37 Filed 09/17/14 Page 1 of 18 PageID #: 229

            Could say the same about your sources, that everytown study counted 3 accidental discharges, 19 gang related and after school shootings, and 6 suicides in their totals.
            One more time, please answer.
            Should felons upon completion of sentence be allowed to petition for return of their rights?

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 10:14 pm

            I Answered 3+ times: Felons can’t have guns, nor can they opencarry in Krogers while buying diapers for paranoids to soil.

            If you are not a citizen you cannot own a firearm unless permanently immigrating into the U.S. or in possession of a hunting license legally issued in the U.S. Also you must have been a resident of your state for at least 90 days.

          • amongoose December 14th, 2014 at 11:03 pm

            That’s what the decision said permanent legal alien residents.
            And no you never answered whether you thought they deserved a second chance.
            Been interesting trying to have a conversation with you.
            have a nice day.

          • Obewon December 14th, 2014 at 11:42 pm

            Nobody intelligent gives a convicted murderer and manslaughter a Gun or Ammo unless they’ve been pardoned.

            That’s why the NRA stupidly advocates for a murderers gunshot air rights through your head, by an already convicted killer

          • whatthe46 December 15th, 2014 at 12:17 am

            you’re right. no one intelligent would. however, this jackass, outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour did. all murderers. he gave them full pardons. one such disturbing murder was that of Gatlin. he walked into the trailer where his estranged wife, Tammy Ellis Gatlin, lived and shot her in the head. The woman’s friend, Randy Walker, survived a gunshot to the head.

  43. Ellen H. December 30th, 2014 at 3:24 pm

    Too bad there wasn’t a good guy with a gun to stop the bad guy with the gun.

  44. illinoisboy1977 January 2nd, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    She wasn’t mentally ill. She was evil. I hope they fast-track her execution.