Report: Darren Wilson’s Key Witness Lied, Was Nowhere Near The Shooting
A crucial witness in the grand jury on whether to indict Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson, wasn’t truthful. What we’re saying here is, she’s a big fat liar. Her story was fabricated.
With a trail of dubious postings on social media and documented lies previously told to the police, one has to wonder why they put her on the stand.
[su_center_ad]Sandra McElroy’s testimony has been embraced by those defending the officer, and according to The Smoking Gun, she fabricated her eyewitness account of the altercation between Wilson and unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9.
“Witness 40,” identified as 45-year-old Sandra McElroy, has a documented history of racist remarks, criminal behavior, and mental illness, Gawker reports.
However, unlike Dorian Johnson, “Witness 40” was nowhere near Canfield Drive on the Saturday afternoon Brown was shot to death.
The Smoking Gun reports:
…McElroy did not provide police with a contemporaneous account of the Brown-Wilson confrontation, which she claimed to have watched unfold in front of her as she stood on a nearby sidewalk smoking a cigarette.
Instead, McElroy (seen at left) waited four weeks after the shooting to contact cops. By the time she gave St. Louis police a statement on September 11, a general outline of Wilson’s version of the shooting had already appeared in the press. McElroy’s account of the confrontation dovetailed with Wilson’s reported recollection of the incident.
In the weeks after Brown’s shooting–but before she contacted police–McElroy used her Facebook account to comment on the case. On August 15, she “liked’ a Facebook comment reporting that Johnson had admitted that he and Brown stole cigars before the confrontation with Wilson. On August 17, a Facebook commenter wrote that Johnson and others should be arrested for inciting riots and giving false statements to police in connection with their claims that Brown had his hands up when shot by Wilson. “The report and autopsy are in so YES they were false,” McElroy wrote of the “hands-up” claims. This appears to be an odd comment from someone who claims to have been present during the shooting. In response to the posting of a news report about a rally in support of Wilson, McElroy wrote on August 17, “Prayers, support God Bless Officer Wilson.”
She commented on a September 12 story which reported that Ferguson city officials had yet to meet with Brown’s family, “But haven’t you heard the news, There great great great grandpa may or may not have been owned by one of our great great great grandpas 200 yrs ago.”
On September 13th, she posted a graphic on a pro-Wilson Facebook page which included Brown laying dead in the street.
The words typed over the image read, “Michael Brown already received justice. So please, stop asking for it.”
McElroy provided the federal investigators with an account that neatly tracked with Wilson’s version of the fatal confrontation. She claimed to have seen Brown and Johnson walking in the street before Wilson encountered them while seated in his patrol car. She said that the duo shoved the cruiser’s door closed as Wilson sought to exit the vehicle, then watched as Brown leaned into the car and began raining punches on the cop. McElroy claimed that she heard gunfire from inside the car, which prompted Brown and Johnson to speed off. As Brown ran, McElroy said, he pulled up his sagging pants, from which “his rear end was hanging out.”
But instead of continuing to flee, Brown stopped and turned around to face Wilson, McElroy said. The unarmed teenager, she recalled, gave Wilson a “What are you going to do about it look,” and then “bent down in a football position…and began to charge at the officer.” Brown, she added, “looked like he was on something.” As Brown rushed Wilson, McElroy said, the cop began firing. The “grunting” teenager, McElroy recalled, was hit with a volley of shots, the last of which drove Brown “face first” into the roadway.
“I know what I seen,” she told investigators who were skeptical of her allegations. “I know you don’t believe me.”
When asked what she was doing in Ferguson–which is about 30 miles north of her home–McElroy explained that she was planning to “pop in” on a former high school classmate she had not seen in 26 years. Saddled with an incorrect address and no cell phone, McElroy claimed that she pulled over to smoke a cigarette and seek directions from a black man standing under a tree. In short order, the violent confrontation between Brown and Wilson purportedly played out in front of McElroy.
Despite an abundance of red flags, state prosecutors put McElroy in front of the Ferguson grand jury the day after her meeting with the federal officials. After the 12-member panel listened to a tape of her interview conducted at the FBI office, McElroy appeared and, under oath, regaled the jurors with her eyewitness claims.
According to her grand jury testimony, she was diagnosed as bipolar when she was 16, but she has not taken her meds for for about 25 years.
She’s a piece of work.
McElroy’s YouTube page is also filled with a variety of anti-Barack Obama videos, including a clip purporting to show Michelle Obama admitting that the president was born in Kenya. Over the past year, McElroy has subscribed to three channels devoted to mystery and real crime shows, as well as a “We Are Darren Wilson” video channel.
McElroy has rarely used her Twitter account, though she did post a message in late-October in response to a news report that several Ferguson drug cases had to be dropped because Darren Wilson failed to show up for court hearings. “drug thug will be arrested again who cares,” wrote McElroy.
Her inaugural tweet came in October 2013 in reply to an Obama swipe posted by Senator Ted Cruz. “Keep fighting, I am a government employee on furlough and I say keep it shut down. NO obama care please don’t stop,” McElroy tweeted to the Texas Republican.
In her journal, McElroy wrote in the days after Michael Brown’s killing, “Well Im gonna take my random drive to Florisant. Need to understand the Black race better so I stop calling Blacks Niggers and Start calling them People.”
Its not the first time she’s lied in court.
McElroy’s devotion to the truth—lacking during her appearances before the Ferguson grand jury—was also absent in early-2007 when she fabricated a bizarre story in the wake of the rescue of Shawn Hornbeck, a St. Louis boy who had been held captive for more than four years by Michael Devlin, a resident of Kirkwood, a city just outside St. Louis.
McElroy, who also lived in Kirkwood, told KMOV-TV that she had known Devlin for 20 years. She also claimed to have gone to the police months after the child’s October 2002 disappearance to report that she had seen Devlin with Hornbeck. The police, McElroy said, checked out her tip and determined that the boy with Devlin was not Hornbeck.
In the face of McElroy’s allegations, the Kirkwood Police Department fired back at her. Cops reported that they investigated her claim and determined that “we have no record of any contact with Mrs. McElroy in regards to Shawn Hornbeck.” The police statement concluded, “We have found that this story is a complete fabrication.”
The Smoking Gun reached out to McElroy for comment several times to no avail.
Check out The Smoking Gun’s detailed report here.
H/T: LL’s Mod God @Mea_Mark with thanks. [su_csky_ad]
MIAtheistGal December 16th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
This woman sure us a piece if work, and the prosecutor who put her lying ass on the stand is no better.
HauteTrue ModelChic Barbie Mat December 16th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
THE ASSISTANT DA GAVE THE JURORS AND OLD LAW AS WELL AND DIDN’T GIVE THE UPDATED VERSION UNTIL IT THE JURORS WERE ABOUT T0 DELIBERATE. THE LAW WAS FROM 1985 AND THE SUPREME COURT RENDERED IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 12:15 am
he’s a seasoned d.a., he knew better this was no mistake.
Pilotshark December 17th, 2014 at 10:45 am
and to think how it is told, that any DA or Prosecutor could indite a Ham sandwich, but this one couldn’t even get the bread out of the bag.
SMH
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 11:18 am
you hit the nail on the head. he didn’t want an indictment in the first place.
Tommy6860 December 16th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
This is so sad! :'( :'( :'(
Can this racist POS be tried for perjury? Can this case be reopened?
MIAtheistGal December 16th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Ooh, I didn’t even think of the perjury implications. She should be tried for,perjury for sure!
HauteTrue ModelChic Barbie Mat December 16th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
YES THE CASE CAN BE REOPENED. HE NEVER WENT T0 TRIAL. THEY JUST DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE… BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT EVIDENCE WAS SUPPRESSED BY THE PROSECUTOR.
ChrisVosburg December 16th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
Right there, just to the left of the “a” key, there ya go.
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:40 pm
http://www.spaceg.com/multimedia/collection/meme%20responses/likes%20-%20truckload.jpg
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 12:14 am
the evidence is there and the prosecutor had it to get the indictment, he chose not to fight for it. only enough evidence is need for probable cause to go to a jury. in a trial is where you get (supposedly) all the evidence. the d.a.’s office also gave unconstituional instructions to the GJ.
edmeyer_able December 16th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
Are you calling rr a racist piece of sh^t?
Red Eye Robot December 16th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
face it, you guys lost, Brown fought with a cop and was killed because of it. In a month or 2 the DOJ will quietly announce they aren’t going to prosecute Wilson just like they did with George Zimmerman
Anomaly 100 December 16th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
How do you know this? The witness lied her ass off.
Bob Cronos December 16th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
So did a couple dozen other “witnesses”…
Anomaly 100 December 16th, 2014 at 7:40 pm
Ummm…did they testify to the grand jury?
Bob Cronos December 17th, 2014 at 12:48 am
Don’t know exactly how many obvious liars testified, but it was more than just Sandra McElroy….
“CNN’s examination of thousands of pages of grand jury documents turned up several examples of testimony that came with little to no credibility. Here’s a look at some examples:” —
” thousands of pages of grand jury documents shows that untrustworthy testimony came from some witnesses on both sides.” — http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/14/justice/ferguson-witnesses-credibility/
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 1:12 am
i wouldn’t suggest that the witnesses that were actually THERE lied, they just saw events differently, this b’tch wasn’t even there, she made sh’t up. THERE’S a BIG difference. if you don’t see that then you are chosing to be ignorant. pathetic. so, you search for a reason to excuse her racist, lying behavior. no surprises there!
Anomaly 100 December 17th, 2014 at 6:44 am
This ‘lady’ was the key witness. They should have vetted all of them. There’s problem in the grand jury process and it needs to be fixed. McCulloch should have recused himself from the beginning.
Bob Cronos December 18th, 2014 at 1:39 am
The Grand Jury is designed to vet the witnesses and the evidence to see if there’s a case…In this case, there wasn’t…
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 1:28 am
in bob’s and faux news’ opinion, if they all saw the exact same thing, they must be lying, so the prosecutor didn’t put them up before the GJ. the ones who saw events differently, but still DIDN’T lie, were called liars is my guess. that’s something for a trial jury to figure out. not the GJ.
raincheck December 16th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
“face it, you guys lost”
Is this some kind of a f*cking game to you?
arc99 December 16th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
face it. anyone who condones lying to a grand jury is beneath contempt.
if you are wondering who I am referring to, find a mirror and take a good look.
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
You’re much too kind. I suggest him finding a mirror, breaking it, slashing his throat.
Red Eye Robot December 18th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Clown
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
We guys didn’t lose. America lost, justice lost, injustice won and racism won.
Bob Cronos December 16th, 2014 at 6:43 pm
And who is pushing the racism in this shooting? Racism is just about the only card the liberals have left…
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
Well, it started by Wilson pulling the the trigger. Now there is some push-back.
Bob Cronos December 17th, 2014 at 1:07 am
Actually, it started when Brown reached into the cop’s car instead of moving to the sidewalk… But don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of your lefty racist perception of the world…
mea_mark December 17th, 2014 at 8:48 am
Was that before or after Wilson hit him with the car door? A Trial needs to determine who started the altercation.
Bob Cronos December 18th, 2014 at 12:45 am
If he had followed the cops instructions there wouldn’t have been an altercation and everyone would have walked away……
trees December 21st, 2014 at 5:56 pm
The officer instructed Brown to walk on the sidewalk and Brown approached the officers car and assaulted the officer through the window of the patrol car, initiating the altercation. Or, is it your opinion that the officer initiated the events by assaulting Brown, from a seated position and through the window of his own patrol car?
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 7:30 pm
Learn to read.
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 12:09 am
you must enjoy living in the twilight zone.
Bob Cronos December 17th, 2014 at 1:43 am
Thankfully I don’t live in the black and white one…
eyelashviper December 16th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Your statement is a very sad commentary about you. “You guys lost”…no, Justice lost, and a corrupt system continues on.
This entire GJ was a complete sham, and we all should be disgusted with such mis use of our “justice” system.
neworleans878 December 16th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
“You guys lost”
The R.W media money hate machine and the 1% gleefully rub their hands together with this demonstration of how successfully they’ve divided the nation.
apogee2perogee December 16th, 2014 at 3:07 pm
Not only do you swallow the propaganda whole, but you wave pom poms as if it were a team sport. Pitiful.
HauteTrue ModelChic Barbie Mat December 16th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
N0 HE DIDNT FIGHT WITH THE C0PS… THE C0P HIT HIM WITH HIS CAR D00R AND BR0WN DEFENDED HIMSELF…. HE CAN BE TRIED AGAIN. THERE IS N0 D0UBLE JE0PARDY ATTACHED, BECAUSE IT NEVER MADE IT T0 TRIAL. BUT WHEN NEW EVIDENCE IS UNC0VERED, WHICH THERE IS A VIDE0 0F HIM WITNESSING HIS HANDS UP, WILS0N CAN BE CHARGED… F0R TH0SE WH0 D0NT UNDERSTAND LAW…. THE FACT THAT THE GRAND JURY DIDNT INDICT WILS0N D0ESNT MEAN HE IS INN0CENT, JUST LIKE IWTH ZIMMERMAN. IT JUST MEANS THERE WAS N0T EN0UGH EVIDENCE PRESENT. THERE ARE MANY CRIMINALS WH0 D0NT GET INDICTED, BUT WE KN0W THEY ARE GUILTY AND WHEN EVIDENCE IS UNC0VERED, THEY GET INDICTED AND CHARGED F0R THEIR CRIME…
tiredoftea December 16th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
Whoa there, caps lock, turn it off!
Hirightnow December 16th, 2014 at 4:58 pm
Well, at least he didn’t use any exclamation marks….
Jones December 16th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
Her/his history is all caps lock. People who caps all the time are sometimes vision impaired and find it easier to read. I have known some.
tiredoftea December 16th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
Good to know, thanks! But, DAMN!!!
Hirightnow December 16th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Some people also have fubar PCs/Macs….
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
yeah, but, those words appear to run into each other, that’s harder to read.
Jones December 16th, 2014 at 5:43 pm
It is harder for someone with good vision who isn’t used to it. Bigger is better if your vision is impaired.
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 6:55 pm
ok. then suggest they hit the tab button twice. s/
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 6:56 pm
by the way, i’m blind as a bat without corrective lenses. lol
allison1050 December 16th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
And I’m 1 of them who is vision impaired.
Laura December 16th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Thanks. I didn’t know that.
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:48 pm
Thank you for that.
allison1050 December 16th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
I for 1 am vision impaired. Thank You
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
All lower case is better than all caps. Think e e cummings.
Red Eye Robot December 17th, 2014 at 11:59 am
I know, Brown had just come from church where he was leading a prayer vigil for the girls kidnapped by Boko Harum in Kenya and was shot in the back with his hands in the air, a package of skittles in one hand and an iced tea in the other shouting I can’t breathe
OldLefty December 16th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
Face it, We The People lost.
We don’t know what happened because the prosecutor represented the police instead of Michael Brown like he was supposed to do.
Red Eye Robot December 17th, 2014 at 12:39 pm
blah blah blah more talking points from lefty blogs
OldLefty December 17th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
As opposed to talking points from rightie blogs?
Red Eye Robot December 18th, 2014 at 11:21 am
as opposed to over 700 hours of grand jury testimony
OldLefty December 18th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
That was deemed improper by most legal experts.
No cross, no judge and while normally one would say, no one representing the officer, in this case the prosecutor acted like like the defense, and there was no one representing ‘The People’.
William December 16th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Red Eye racist is a happy man
Red Eye Robot December 17th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Oh you called me a racist! I’m meltinggggggggggggg! Did your mother raise any children who weren’t enervated dullards?
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Who’s “you guys”? Aren’t you also American? We all lost.
Red Eye Robot December 17th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
“You Guys” used this false narrative that brown was an innocent victim in order to distract voters during an election. and then “You Guys” burned Ferguson down for “Justice” Now that the election is over the agitators have all gone home and left a destroyed town to clean up the mess “You Guys” made.
FrankenPC . December 17th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Oh. So, you’re racist by definition. I applaud your honesty.
Lindsncal December 19th, 2014 at 11:48 pm
You’re absolutely right.
Brown wasn’t innocent. He was a jaywalker and we all know how dangerous they are. Only a thug would jaywalk in bright daylight.
It should always be a capital offense.
And…selling a cigarette for a dollar. There isn’t much that’s more deserving of death.
And the deaf and mute guy who didn’t obey a cop and was shot. If someone can’t hear or speak, if found out in public, should immediately be made an example of what happens to those like him.
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
I’ll bet Zimmerman is your hero you misguided POS.
Red Eye Robot December 17th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
hero or not you guys tied to make it something it wasn’t. In the process you showed yourselves to be truly despicable. And in the end even the obama administration justice department could find no grounds to prosecute Zimmerman. the fact that after all that you still bitterly cling to this false narrative makes you either fascist or a dupe
Kim Serrahn December 16th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
And we’re suppose to be surprised about this………..
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
The Grand Jury was scammed by a corrupt prosecutor with an agenda. What do we do now?
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
Yeah? What can we legally do?
Hirightnow December 16th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
Crap! You HAD to say “legally”…..
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
I guess that rules out stringing somebody up by their nuts.
Hirightnow December 16th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
Oh…you’re one of those soft-hearted types, I see.
raincheck December 16th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
lol
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:50 pm
Yeah, legally. We’re not conservatives.
ChrisVosburg December 16th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
A while ago, PBS put up a handy guide, sort of a scorecard, I guess, on some key points of contention and what the various witnesses said about them. I went and had another look after reading Raw Story’s piece, and I was surprised at first to note that “witness #40” isn’t even included in the list.
Then again, I think, perhaps it’s because her story is on its face so clearly a fabrication, and PBS in compiling its scorecard simply assumed it was just background noise and as such, was ignored by the jurors.
But now I’m pissed at McCullough again, because it’s obvious that it never should have been included in the blizzard of testimony in the first place, and the only reason for doing so is to cloud the issue beyond recognition.
Bastard.
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
What I don’t get is, why didn’t the grand jury just decide there was too much info for them to sort through and turn it over to a real trial and jury to deal with? To me, that seems like the obvious thing to do. Did Bob McCulloch give instructions to the grand jury that they weren’t to do something like that?
ChrisVosburg December 16th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
Same here. Typically, a Grand Jury Prosecutor will name the charge he’s seeking and then present evidence to convince jurors that yes, it oughta go to trial with that charge.
That seems to have been absent here, and the witness #40 situation is merely the most recent instance of McCullough’s attempts to obstruct justice.
Jerk.
trees December 21st, 2014 at 5:34 pm
What’s a “real”jury, one that agrees with you? You’re not interested in justice and truth, you’re interested in hanging a cop. That much is clear…
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 5:37 pm
A real jury is what you get at a real trial. A grand jury isn’t supposed to determine guilt or innocence. They failed to do their job because of poor(criminal) instructions from the prosecutor.
trees December 21st, 2014 at 5:48 pm
And a real grand jury is one that determines whether a trial is warranted, or not. In this case the grand jury heard all of the evidence, even the “witnesses” who lied in the opposite to the one presented here at LL. They examined everything and determined that the officers account was factual, that Mike Brown assaulted an officer, and lost his life as a result. It didn’t have to happen, Mike Brown could have complied with the officer instead of engaging in criminal behavior. It would be interesting to reverse the racial roles and see the opinions expressed if Mike Brown had been white and Darren Wilson black…
This narrative that Wilson shot Brown because Brown is African-American is bogus, and you know it.
mea_mark December 21st, 2014 at 7:32 pm
Now you’re just trolling.
OldLefty December 21st, 2014 at 5:40 pm
A “real” jury is one which is exposed to both sides (with discovery), prosecution AND defense, cross examination of witnesses, and a judge ruling on the validity of evidence,
GreatLakeSailor December 16th, 2014 at 5:54 pm
PBS does the public a disservice by burying a lying “witness” and thus clear evidence of a corrupt DA covering for a murderer. One might argue PBS didn’t intend that to be the effect, but it is. And since PBS became the Petroleum Broadcasting Syndicate, I really don’t believe it was an unintended effect.
apogee2perogee December 16th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Someone should investigate her electronic records, cellphone, pc, etc. and find out if there is evidence to show her REAL location at the time. Something a REAL prosecutor might have done had this gone to trial.
Smalldeer December 16th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
They already have: Her car doesn’t appear on surveillance video. The location of an exit she claimed to have used from a parking lot does not exist—except on Google maps. Witness was describing her alleged vantage point from Google maps, not her own person experience. She further admits that her descriptions of events were informed by online readings. As the Smoking Gun explained, according to her, her memory is impaired but also that of her partner. She claimed to have two witnesses to corroborate aspects of her account but when FBI asked for their names she explained that they would be useless. After she realized that the FBI had conducted independent research of her online activity, the witness admitted to using the n-word 6 times online.
Anomaly 100 December 16th, 2014 at 4:22 pm
A totally reliable witness!
trees December 21st, 2014 at 12:10 am
Actually, all of the witnesses and all of the testimony was admitted….including the lies of those who would persecute a cop solely on the basis of his race.
If you were really interested in justice you would be compelled to admit that Michael Brown died because of his own criminal behavior.
Anomaly 100 December 21st, 2014 at 9:16 am
Wrong again but at least you’re consistent.
trees December 21st, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Attacking a police officer, attempting to disarm an officer thereby acquiring his weapon, resisting and charging, these actions will get you killed, and no, it’s not murder when the offender is killed…..
An officer of the law is empowered to use letal force in such a circumstance.
Anomaly 100 December 21st, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Except ‘witness 40’ lied. Did you forget that part?
OldLefty December 21st, 2014 at 5:46 pm
Attacking a police officer, attempting to disarm an officer thereby acquiring his weapon,
_______
We don’t know if any of that happened.
That is the problem with the botched proceedings from the police and a prosecutor who acts like the defense attorney.
William December 16th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
The unusually long deliberation should have been a clue.
Al Simmons December 16th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Never let a lie get in the way of a good story.
Candide Thirtythree December 16th, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Is she the one hannity was all gung ho about? Just like he was with Cliven Bundy?
GreatLakeSailor December 16th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Yup
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
What does this mean? Does it mean the Grand Jury can be performed again? How does that work?
tiredoftea December 16th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
A Federal grand jury can be called. Another county grand jury can be called by state and county officials. No jeopardy has attached to Wilson.
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
So, to get this to actually work, we’d probably need to threaten the state and county officials who called the first one with collusion. Or, convince the Fed AG to call one?
tiredoftea December 16th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
I don’t know about threaten, but clearly the pressure of continuing local and national protests, coupled to the federal civil rights investigation might be enough to call another grand jury.
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Well, legally threaten. Ethics violations are happening all over the damn place.
tiredoftea December 16th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
OK, I’m with you, there!
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
HA HA!!
FrankenPC . December 16th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
I was practically laughing as I wrote that FYI.
rejectrepublicanlies December 16th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
What’s just as sickening is that FACEBOOK allowed an image of a dead body and other racist comments to be posted on their pages. They have strict guidelines prohibiting hate speech. They also prohibit images of corpses, violence, body parts, etc. Right Wingers are violent and unstable.
AAASuperPatriot December 16th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
This is why there needed to be a trial. A good defence lawyer would have debunked her.
And she needs to be charged.
Hirightnow December 16th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Daniel?
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 6:53 pm
but, the defense attorney would have put her on the stand since she’s siding with them, its the prosecutor, who, knowing all the evidence and the fact that her account wouldn’t hold water is the one who would have deunked her statements. right? why put a defense witness before a GJ when all you need is probable cause. her lying acct only favored the defense not the prosecutor.
GreatLakeSailor December 16th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
“Witness 40” I thought that was cheap malt liquor they sold at the KwikyMart wedged between the trailer park and the Baptist Church!
Edit: Sales slogan – Mmmm, Testify!
eyelashviper December 16th, 2014 at 5:52 pm
The stuff in a box with a train on the front? Good for starting the BBQ grill…
GreatLakeSailor December 16th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
If I had more motivation, I’d ‘shop-in “witness” in place of “magnum” and add a double-wide and a steeple in the background on the label.
http://www.11points.com/images/40oz/magnum.jpg
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
putting her on was prosecutorial misconduct at its finest. he should be disbarred since he can’t be prosecuted himself. this is a defense witness and should have been on the stand with her lies so that a d.a. prosecuting this case and seeking justice, could tear her ass and non-account to shreads. any defense attorney representing this murderer, who’s worth his fate in gold, would have never put her on and this prosecutor knew it. this is far from over.
allison1050 December 16th, 2014 at 7:08 pm
The people need to get up off of their collective azz and vote the prosecutor out of office.
mea_mark December 16th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
At this point they need to demand his resignation and the feds need to go after him. At the very least they should be able to get him on prosecutorial misconduct.
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
he already refused to leave the case, so he won’t resign. but, yes the feds should go after him for misconduct. that’s for damn sure.
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
I only get to vote in Utah. I vote that the prosecutor be federally prosecuted.
granpa.usthai December 16th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
this was the collaborating witness the ‘prosecutor’ had mentioned before the grand jury?
Sy Colepath December 16th, 2014 at 8:30 pm
Hmmm – She sort of resembles Sarah Palin in a trailer trash kinda way.
tracey marie December 16th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
she is mentally ill, they knew it and used her to further their agenda.
searambler December 16th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
So she’s EXACTLY like Sarah Palin…
Jack E Raynbeau December 17th, 2014 at 12:01 am
Not exactly. She doesn’t command huge fees to speak. Not yet.
trees December 21st, 2014 at 5:30 pm
Agenda? Please elaborate, explain this “agenda”
tracey marie December 21st, 2014 at 7:39 pm
no
Foundryman December 16th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Everyone who think foxnews and hannity will make a retraction and disavow this witness, raise their hands….
(Hannity had her on twice)
Uh Huh…i thought so….nobody!
Kenneth Henderson December 16th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
The saying “The lunatics are running the asylum, while the criminals control the courts” applies in this case.
searambler December 16th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
“With a trail of dubious postings on social media and documented lies previously told to the police, one has to wonder why they put her on the stand.”
Because she supported Wilson, and there was no cross-examination.
whatthe46 December 16th, 2014 at 11:40 pm
ding ding ding ding to the fk’n DING!
Jack E Raynbeau December 16th, 2014 at 11:38 pm
Now the cheese becomes a little more binding.
perc2100 December 17th, 2014 at 11:32 am
It’s disheartening that news websites did more thorough investigating/vetting of witnesses than prosecutors who are supposed to be serving the people’s best interests.
Sloppy investigating and case-handling is NOT in the people’s best interests
whatthe46 December 17th, 2014 at 11:46 am
agreed. by the way, i’m a grown woman and that picture is scary.
perc2100 December 17th, 2014 at 11:53 am
Ha; it’s a pic of Peter Jackson from Comic-Con several years ago that I “clownified.” Sorry for freaking you out
crc3 December 17th, 2014 at 12:39 pm
She needs to be arrested then jailed for perjury. The prosecutor needs to be disbarred and jailed. The governor needs to face consequences for not appointing a new prosecutor. Of course…without question…Darren Wilson needs to face a real trial with real jurors and judge then spend at least 25 years in prison for killing MB…
burqa December 20th, 2014 at 3:29 am
How about those who said Brown had his hands up and was surrendering when he was shot in the back?
They get a pass?
Should we be inconsistent?
crc3 December 21st, 2014 at 12:16 am
Anyone who lied or hid evidence needs to be dealt with accordingly….
FatRat December 17th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
(Disbar and imprison the prosecutor.)
New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that “a grand jury would ‘indict a ham sandwich,’ if that’s what you wanted.”
burqa December 20th, 2014 at 3:35 am
What indictment?
In this case such an impressionable grand jury didn’t indict either a ham sandwich or the cop because of an abundance of eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence indicated one was not called for.
Nibbling around the edges and ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence is illogical and unreasonable.
Just because we may not want all that evidence to add up as it does, and just because our emotions wish all that evidence was different, it isn’t.
FatRat December 20th, 2014 at 8:21 am
Yes the Grand Jury was impressionable, they trusted the prosecutor. Prosecution used a defunct law that you can shoot a fleeing person. Later on they casually mentioned they should not worry about that law that unconstitutional law. No mention of it being unconstitutional as hell, just that it didn’t “comply”.
Prosecutor admitted that witnesses were lying. (“Early on I decided that anyone who claimed to have witnessed anything would be presented to the grand jury,” said McCulloch, who convened the grand jury in August. “Clearly some were not telling the truth,” he said.)
Prosecutors job isn’t to defend the officer, is there enough information to go to trial! That is a low bar to limbo under. I stand by my statement, the prosecutor should be disbarred and imprisoned.
Booya Bible December 17th, 2014 at 4:28 pm
There needs to be a civil trial. The prosecutor already threw the indictment (which should bring criminal charges his way as well) but only in a court of law will we have all evidence weighed.
burqa December 20th, 2014 at 3:07 am
Yeah, she’s a big fat liar. She’s the one who tampered with the crime scene, real sneaky-like so no one saw her planting the blood inside the po-lice car and along the street. She managed to slip those stolen cigars in Brown’s pocket, too, without anyone noticing. She photo-shopped the store video, too. Then, without anyone noticing, she altered Brown’s corpse.
Come now.
The liars we should be angriest with are the ones who said Brown was minding his own business when a cop came up behind him and shot him in the back and kept on shooting him when his hands were up, trying to surrender. That was the big fat lie that caused people to riot and got settled in many people’s minds to where they refused to believe anything other than this was a case of a racist white cop shooting a black kid for no reason whatsoever.
Brown robbed the store, the video shows the arrogant, belligerent, entitled attitude he had that day.
That same attitude was evident in him walking down the middle of the street and in the way he dealt with the cop, after committing the robbery.
Brown continued to break the law when he attacked the cop in his car, refused to obey a lawful order to stop, and fled. He turned and charged to attack the cop again and lost his life because he acted out the attitude I described above.
We were lied to when we were told Michael Brown was shot from behind in the back.
We were lied to when we were told his hands were up in surrender.
We were lied to and the race card was played cynically to take advantage of those sensitive to that issue.
Because of those lies, division among us increased. Those lies brought about rage, rancor and hatred. Those lies intensified a situation that was already bad. A great deal of destruction took place because of those lies. Innocent people had their businesses destroyed and lives horribly affected. Jobs needed in that community disappeared. The authors of those lies need to be held accountable, first. It’s time to stop giving them a pass.
The lies of this woman did not have the results of the ones referred to, above. It doesn’t let her off the hook, but a sense of proportion is called for.
trees December 21st, 2014 at 12:12 pm
I respect you Burqa, we have argued in the past and we have vehemently disagreed on differing topics, but I will acknowledge your ability to reason and communicate. It would seem that we agree on this matter, and I find the greater tragedy to be the aftermath of the events in Ferguson. It is disturbing to see people and groups using this confrontation between Wilson and Brown as a political tool to rile up violence and animosity. Those who fight for social justice do their cause great harm when they lose the truth in pursuit of their goals.
burqa January 7th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
Thank you so much for your positive comments. You are too kind.
There is a temptation to always disagree with those we often disagree with and it seems to me to be better to find agreement where we can and to say so.
When we have a case of police brutality and the evidence indicates such a thing, then we should naturally oppose it. But we should not decide beforehand that every case fits into a preconceived box.
In this case, the fact that this woman lied in no way rebuts the testimony of many others and the physical forensic evidence that demonstrate that lies coming out of this were the basis for a lot of needless destruction and division among us.
Booya Bible January 5th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Complete non sequitur.
Isiah Abraham December 20th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
I have a a couple of questions that maybe someone can help me out with so that I can understand what is going on here: Was she the only eye witness for Mr. Wilson that backed up his story? Or were there other eye witnesses who corroborated his story?
Secondly, if there were other eye witnesses, then why is she said to be the “key witness?”
Thirdly. did the forensic evidence back up or corroborate Mr. Wilson’s story?
Fourthly, was she the only eye witness who told a falsehood? Or were there others who with false claims?
Fifthly, if there were others with false claims, then why are they not mentioned as a group?