NRA Supporters Launch Vicious, Misogynistic Twitter Attack On Gun Reform Leader
When Shannon Watts, the founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, was blocked by the NRA on Twitter yesterday, she tweeted it. It shall come as a surprise to no one ever that that was met with a slew of vicious misogynistic remarks by NRA supporters.
[su_center_ad]Even though the NRA claims Watts is an insignificant threat to their organization, they found it necessary to block her on social media.
The mother of 5 frightens them that much. She’s a beautiful and intelligent woman, so naturally, she’s a threat.
It started with this tweet.
Naturally, that innocuous tweet became a platform to attack the Gun Sense advocate by NRA supporters. The hashtag #ImBlockedByShannonWatts started trending on Twitter.
The alleged human responsible for creating that hashtag is none other than Julie Golob, world shooting champion and author of the book “Shooting While Pregnant.” No, really.
So Ms. Watts is retweeting some vulgar responses to her one tweet.
Oh, this is such a winning strategy.
And this tweet by Katie Pavlich gave the onslaught some legs:
NRA supporters, I have some advice for you. If you want to appear to be female-friendly, don’t call a woman a “Bitch”, a “cunt”, “twat’ or tell her she needs to “get back in the kitchen.”
Include “bimbo” to the list of things not to call a woman.
Ms. Watts isn’t too worried about the vicious attack.
Bring it. Not scared. Won't be bullied. Blocked by the #NRA @MomsDemand #gunsense pic.twitter.com/wsQATfcr2a
— Shannon (@shannonrwatts) December 27, 2014
Big thanks to my pal out there for collecting the tweets. You rock. [su_csky_ad]
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
I can only wish Shannon Watts much success in her campaign to change the minds of those in congress to pass sensible legislation in regulating guns and the nra.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
common sense in a Republican dictated Congress?
not hardly, but thanks for the nice dream at nap time.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Two things would make a big difference, expanded background checks that included on-line sales and expanded gun trafficking enforcement.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 4:37 am
When I order from Buds, or any other retailer online, they will only ship to a licensed dealer. When the firearm arrives at the FFL, THEY run the background check on me before I can take possession of the firearm.
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Ohhhh please. This woman and organization blocks anybody who has a different opinion. All you have to do is go onto any one of their pages and say anything that is pro-gun or offer a different opinion, and you are automatically blocked and your comment deleted.
There is no dialogue with them, and they will openly tell you that they have no intention of dialogue. So this is no surprise. And yes, I have been blocked also.
R.J. Carter December 27th, 2014 at 3:51 pm
I remember the day I got blocked by some guy with E! He was railing on Phil Robertson and how people should be offended with A&E. I commented that it was akin to rationalists being offended by E! for having a show host who billed himself as a psychic.
Which was, of course, him.
So he called me an asshat, blocked me, and took a “victory” lap. 🙂
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Well if you call her the words these fine patriots called her, then yes, you’ll be blocked.
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Nope, dont even call her words. Offer an alternate view, and you are blocked.
I have been hanging around here for a little while now. And you know I have had some “Less then Polite” comments thrown at me. And rarely do you ever see my temper flare up and retaliate in any vicious manner.
Run an experiment, create a profile, go to their facebook and or twitter and post something that is completely “PRO-GUN” and watch what happens. Dont say anything bad, just have a complete opposite opinion. You will see what I am talking about.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
With all due respect, I’ve seen some of your tweets about Ferguson. I’ve also seen your ‘love’ for Moms Demand here on LL comment threads. You are respectful here, but on Twitter, you can be divisive. So can I but I admit it:-)
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
Yes you can, And my tweets about ferguson was in regards to the losers who decided to loot and riot. Show me one tweet, where i said anything negative about anybody who choose to use their first amendment right to protest in a peaceful manner…
And as far as my tweets back to MOMS, yes, after I attempted to engage in dialogue and was told to go fuck off… So yes, Guilty as charged for some of them.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 6:04 pm
When did Shannon Watts tell you to fuck off? I mean, I’m being hit by a gang of trolls right now over this, so if you want to trade hate-tweets, let’s do this thing:-)
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
no reason for you and me to exchange hate tweets. What I can tell you is, that most, not all who I attempted to engage in dialogue, were as nasty as any NRA troll. I can certainly go back and find them, but no reason.
As far as MOMS pages, again, any person who offers a different position or thought process, will be immediately be banned.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
Different thought process, like calling a woman a nasty cunt?
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 8:18 pm
Same thought process that makes someone call a black person a n***er. Same attitude. Same bigotry.
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
And you use less colorful words for right wing conservatives ??
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Sure I do, while cursing is an acceptable behavior for adults, the use of that particular word toward a women is an extraordinary insult and carries a clear intent of viciousness, subjugation and violence. I only respond “colorfully” to those that instigate it, generally by expressing themselves with a delightful stew of arrogance and ignorance.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Different thought process, like calling a woman a nasty c*nt?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
As an example:
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 6:22 pm
Personally, that is uncalled for. We may disagree, but find a way to use your words.
Edited: I mistook this as something else at first, hence my original comment.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 6:44 pm
Bwhaa! We may disagree but I got nothin’ but love for you. I would never talk to you like that.
Pistol-Packing December 27th, 2014 at 8:36 pm
No, you would just remind me that I am always “WRONG” !!! =)
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
MOI?
Pistol-Packing December 28th, 2014 at 7:14 am
VOUS !!! =)
Larry K December 27th, 2014 at 3:56 pm
The offensive language speaks volumes.
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Gee, a Mom with no guns provokes such a horrible response from all those pistol packing patriots! It doesn’t take much, does it?
R.J. Carter December 27th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
She does seem to just target Republicans, though. When she oopsy-accidentally targets a Democrat, she disappears her comments.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Well I can’t explain why but I’ve been blocked from retweeting any of their tweets but I’m not going to go ballistic over it.
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Gee, only righties can do that?
R.J. Carter December 28th, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Nope. But both can (and should) be called on it when they make it obvious.
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Yeah, I can’t get too nuts about this stuff. It seems much ado about nothing.
Sy Colepath December 27th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
To all you gun rights nuts out there:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,…”
“well regulated”;…get it?
R.J. Carter December 27th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
“security of a free State…” from whom?
Sy Colepath December 27th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
Well, the Red Coats, of course. Don’t ya know?
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 6:02 pm
I’m thinking they’ll probably sail up the Missouri in a secret and daring mission to seize Red Lodge Montana. They could set up base camp there and slowly expand out over the years, secretly disguised as Buffalo Hunters in Red Coats. Who could ever guess they were a secret invading Army until – oopsie! -too late.
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
And protection from rebellious slaves who get uppity.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
It’s an amendment open to being amended……get it!
R.J. Carter December 27th, 2014 at 4:42 pm
Stop revealing my novel plot devices before I finish writing it! Grr!
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 4:45 pm
I have a feeling it won’t mean much as some people were surprised at the ending of the movie TITANIC.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 6:10 pm
The big azz unsinkable boat sank! – right out there in the middle of the ocean!!! surprised the hell out of me, ’cause the movie was about the boat and the damn think sunk before the movie finished! (sounds like something Don Rickles would come up with on one of his ‘good’ days).
Hirightnow December 27th, 2014 at 5:48 pm
“R.J. Carter” would be a swell name for the protagonist of an action series of trade paperbacks!
He could be Nick Carter‘s younger, more headstrong nephew!
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
No one is infringing upon your rights if we have background checks, get it?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
No response from Donna, but check all the downvotes….ooohhh
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
She’s about to be banned for supporting Ms. Watts being called a “c*nt.”
I don’t know one Republican personally that would support this kind of talk.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
you’re not one for flashing money at Republicans are you?
Hirightnow December 27th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
Wish us normal (Yes, I called myself “normal”) people could see those downvotes…:(
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:35 pm
many lunatics from ages past considered themselves ‘normal’ – hell, I even heard a rumor years ago that Don Rickles use to have day dreams about being normal.
Hirightnow December 27th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
That hockey puck? Gimme a break!
🙂
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
I’d be offended if I was ever considered “normal” especially after seeing what passes as being normal really means.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
Bwahaha. She just went thru and downvoted everyone else’s comment. Like we wouldn’t know who did it.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 6:03 pm
Not anymore. I applied her ban retroactively, thus magically disappearing her down votes. Neener!
cogitoergodavesum December 28th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
A retroactive ban? Is that like Double Secret Probation?
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Kinda. It removes all the users comments and history from the thread.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:04 pm
evidently not.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
no ones saying you can’t be a member of a well regulated militia. Just that you cannot be legally armed in an UNREGULATED militia. NO infringement there.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Just wondering, was the cop killer in Las Vegas part of that ‘well regulated militia’, or the one in Pa.or the one in NY last week?
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
That just mean showing up with their guns and camo clothes more or less on time for a meeting these days. Well, unless you’re OCT Kory, then it’s a snappy hipster hat, too.
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
Is not infringed, has never been infringed, get that?
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:27 pm
Well regulated meant well armed and trained. It has nothing to do with regulations on firearms themselves. There were NO regulations on firearms during those times.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:32 pm
Well, they only fired one round, then had to be reloaded fairly slowly, they weren’t used by nuts to mow down dozens of people in a mall, school or theater. Sorry, the Framers didn’t know that guns would become weapons of mass death and the fetish objects of gun nuts in the future.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Then I’ll pose the question to you…Just wondering, was the cop killer in Las Vegas part of that ‘well regulated militia’, or the one in Pa.or the one in NY last week?
A militia that is well regulated is one that has control of their members, not everyone can join and those that do are governed or REGULATED as to what they do, where they go and who they fight. It is not a group that comes and goes when they please and who they fight for and against.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Sorry I don’t control thug gang members, I thought you liberals were trying to handle those issues by waving rainbow flags and what not.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Why bother commenting when it has nothing to do with the question?
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
The well regulated militia they had in mind when they wrote the 2nd amendment was for the sole purposes of preventing or putting down any slave revolutions.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker December 28th, 2014 at 7:21 am
That is exactly correct!
And gun nuts conveniently forget that part of our history.
tracey marie December 27th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
gun nuts, they get disgusting when someone dares to say let’s talk about common sense solutions to all the gun deaths. Yet theses same nuts are all for voting restrictions.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
-and dictating the womb arrangement spaces of others.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
Taste of her own medicine? Really? Do you have screen shots of her tweets calling people nasty names, threatening people? I’ll wait right here while you go get them.
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Actually, there are hashtags dedicated to just that.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Hashtags dedicated to finding Watt’s inappropriate tweets? Please, feel free to provide me with an example.
Obewon December 27th, 2014 at 4:59 pm
GOP’s National Racist misogynists Association are scared teeny weenies with no cattle.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
to those IDIOT NAZIS who tempt US with the come and take them if you can-
OK.
– stay ready, ’cause spring storms are on the way.
Obewon December 27th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
I’m guessing you have no idea ‘U.S. gun owners shoot 22-43 more friends & family than any intruder.’-FBI/CDC. And Darwinism is why U.S. gun owner households plummeted from 1970’s 50% to 30% in 2008. The 30% of U.S. Gun owner households commit 2/3 of all American Homicides. Gun nuts are killers.
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
Care to cite this? Because, thats clearly not true. There are approximately 150 million gun owners in this country. You’re talking LIKELIHOOD-thats like you’re 10x more likely to drown in a pool-if you have a pool. Right? Does that mean you WILL drown in a pool? Spinning numbers is for idiots. Sorry.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
Those “numbers” represent actual dead people, people who died unnecessarily, leaving behind grieving family and friends, widows, widowers and orphans.
Obewon December 27th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
You’ve got zip. 1/3 of USA’s households own guns today, but in-fact do commit 2/3+ of all U.S. homicides. That’s why 2/3 of American households aren’t gun owners, or paranoids to dim and afraid to call 911. Share of Homes With Guns 34% in 2012, Shows 4-Decade Decline from 1970’s 49%. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all
Gun Deaths Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot.
Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16547690-just-the-facts-gun-violence-in-america?lite White guys remain the most likely to shoot themselves.
Homicides by weapon:
Handguns comprised 72.5% of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1% were with shotguns; 3.8% were with rifles; 18.5% were with unspecified firearms. 13.3% of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments. 5.8% of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Cite your source or go. Your choice. You’re a female and you support these people calling her a “c*nt”.
Just nasty.
CoCo December 27th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
So much strategery, NRA. Wow. So much.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
I like to call it ‘Good Reichlanders mit government regulated ammo’.
’cause anyone with the slightest explosive training will realize that a bullet is merely a directional explosive device.
Now, the argument is simply reduced to the size of the bullet and where the hell that’s spelled out in the second amendment? Denying the individual US Citizen the right to tote around a Soviet made piece of luggage due to the ‘explosive contents’ is no different than denying them the right to tote around ammo. In a WELL REGULATED MILITIA you don’t have that conflict – in the NRA made up BS of UNREGULATED MILITIAS as the individual sees fit, you do.
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:17 pm
The ‘Well Regulated Militia’ is, by definition, under government control, supervision, and regulated. It fact, the arms are kept in an armory under lock and key.
The rabid NRA types would balk at any of those controls.
raypc800 December 27th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Look at the positive side of this folks. As long as these NRA members are on twitter and posting comments on different sites. They are not playing with their guns! So it is a win for the lady they are bombarding. Mission accomplished right now.
granpa.usthai December 27th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
how you think these gunnuts are having their mommies type for them?
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:27 pm
No, we play with our guns AND play online!!!
raypc800 December 27th, 2014 at 6:30 pm
That explains all of the accidental home shootings I have seen. Oh well at least you are killing your own right. So it is no big deal, then.
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Care to cite them? And, so, you DONT care about human life. The anti gun crowd is far more violent than those who own guns. They have no issues with people accidental gun deaths among NRA members, right? Because, they are less than human, right? You know who else thought like that, spread rhetoric like that-taught a nation to think like that? Joseph Goebbels.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Pure NRA horseshit.
raypc800 December 27th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Issue #1 I am a Veteran and I myself own a weapon. My weapon is in a locked case with a padlock. Inside it has a cable lock that will not allow loading or firing of said weapon. All of my ammunition is stored elsewhere in my house locked up as well.
Issue you #2 you wanted a listing look for yourself
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS488US488&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=accidental%20home%20shootings
Simple Google search brought in over 482,000 hits. The ones that suffer are children of people that have no idea how to secure a weapon. Thus I do not hate guns but I do hate stupid naive people that leave them out for the innocent to get killed with.
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
In that case, I think there should be a combination an IQ test and a background check before allowing anyone to purchase a gun.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Stop trolling our readers.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Oh yeah, he can’t. I forgot to tell you.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:57 pm
Bwhaaa!
joe michael villa December 27th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
Even if that is true are you seriously defending people calling her those names?
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Shannon watts and her cronies always block everyone from social media whenever someone disagrees. Shannon should be more careful throwing stones in her glass house. No matter what the comment is like, if it doesn’t fit their agenda, it will get deleted and the person who posts it gets blocked.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
So you’re condone this hateful, misogynistic, vulgar attack then?
Don’t come back here if you can’t man or woman up enough to show respect.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
I don’t care one way or another about other people’s comments. Those comments are their own to defend. I’m speaking about the fake Shannon watts who wants to come together to find real common sense solutions. You don’t get that by blocking people trying to explain where they stand. Just to find a starting point impossible because big sides are too hard headed to listen. But for me, if both sides are too hard headed to listen, at least I’ll stand with the NRA because at least I can understand their stance.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
You know someone that impersonates Shannon Watts?
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:48 pm
No, no impersonations, she just has two faces
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
That’s not what you stated though. If you think she’s a hypocrite, please explain how – does she have guns but argue against them?
Has she professed to never have blocked someone that disagreed with her?
You consider the NRA and Shannon Watts equals, because that’s how you’re comparing them.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
She’s making it sound like the NRA are running scared because they blocked her. And she doesn’t mention how many people she’s blocked from her own site. I don’t know if this is hypocrisy but omitting truth is as good as lying. And for her hypocrisy, a simple proof is “we just want background checks”, and the popular “we don’t want to take your guns”. But their agenda is an assault weapons ban. I have 10. So she advocates taking my guns then?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:05 pm
Why in hell do you need, or even want, TEN assault weapons? They have no real world use other than mowing down lots of people and should be banned.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
See the real agenda comes out. I own 0 assault weapons. I have 10 semi automatic rifles that are patterned after their military assault weapon counterparts. But to the anti gun people, they are assault weapons because they look like the real thing.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
So TEN semi automatic weapons makes some kind of sense to you. Expecting the zombie invasion?
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
I collect them. Scar 16 and 17, fs2000, ps90, 4 ar-15s, ak47, SKS, Tavor and and ar pistol. Oops, sorry, not 10 I have 12 😉
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
So you’re a liar. Okay, so now we know how you choose to engage in a very real and needed debate.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
I’m not a lair, I still have 10 semi auto rifles. Some groups of people call them “assault weapons” incorrectly, but they’re the same rifles no matter what you call them.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
But you stated I have 10 assault weapons, you did not say I have rifles that people mis-classify. I believe you made a previous statement about lack of disclosure is the same as dishonest – that was you wasn’t it?
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
I don’t know how to reply to that. And maybe that ultimately is some of the anti gun crowd’s confusion. They are not “assault weapons” in the true sense of the term. They are “assault weapons” as most anti gun politicians and anti gun people see them. They are just semi automatic rifles. It just depends on who you speak to if they are called “assault weapons” or not. So are they assault weapons if some people call them that and some people don’t? It’s the same rifle, it’s just a term some people use to describe them. They are no more dangerous that any other semi auto rifle if a madman gets hold of one. If Adam Lanza had used a semi automatic hunting rifle, the same amount of bullets would have been fired in the same amount if time. Just because it was black, named “bushmaster” and had a pistol grip, that didn’t make it more or less deadly.
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
I used to trade comments with a guy that bragged about his guns. Handguns, shotguns, and rifles. Including several ‘AR-15’s, He would NOT admit to owning the cheap conversion kits that make them full auto. Total, at the time, over 40 guns.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 1:27 am
What kind of crazy mass-murderer psycho-killer wannabe needs ten assault rifles?
I hope the police are keeping an eye on you. You’re *this* close from being the next Adam Lanza, no doubt.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 1:46 am
I think liberal policies shut down the old school mental institutions that Adam Lanza would definitely have been confined to. Instead he was given Psych drugs and allowed to live among us. Then when something went wrong, the blame falls on the NRA and all other gun owners who own the same types of guns. I don’t have a scary bushmaster. It’s too low quality garbage for me. A lot of people own ar15s, it’s a common rifle. And btw, if you really check the numbers, you’ll find more people killed with hands and feet than killed by all rifles (including all mass murders). In fact in the VT mass shooting, the shooter used 2 handguns, and one was a .22 caliber handgun that most people scoff at for home defense . He killed more than sandy hook. But in the wrong hands, any gun can be an issue. That guy should have been institutionalized also but alas the same issue.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
What on earth do you need an assault weapon for? Seriously, mental health care sounds like a better choice.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
“she doesn’t mention how many people she’s blocked from her own site. ”
OMFG, read the comments in the post. Do you see what she deals with on a daily basis? Of course they’re banned. Now, explain to me how that’s the same as the NRA blocking her? Did she block them? No, so it’s not the same.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
That’s not the point, they can still block those comments and people, which would happen no matter what. But why block the ones that aren’t insulting and just offer a different point of view…like you did? You think you’re all powerful to stop people from getting their viewpoints heard, but you, like Shannon…failed.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
Like I did on private property? You are not allowed to be disrespectful to others here. Follow the rules or go. It’s a simple process.
Deal with it.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
Where was I disrespectful? One guy told me to go kill myself, another guy to me to f off, and never once did I call anyone any names or say anything like they said to me.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Oh FFS. If a comment is inappropriate then flag it and we’ll get to it as soon as possible. FYI: We also have a Conservative mod who gets the flags.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:49 pm
Thee NRA is run by a bunch of freaks, Mr. LaPeirre is a nasty piece of work, of course all the kickbacks from his gun-manufacturing masters doesn’t hurt and the sheer megalomania of commanding so much attention.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:56 pm
I’ll make a $25 donation in your name. Your welcome.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:03 pm
Very respectfully, f off.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 7:04 pm
Ok $50 you talked me into it. Do you want the free hat or the foam coolie as your free gift?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:07 pm
What in hell is wrong with people like you? Why do you persist in such anti-social behavior? Do you think its somehow manly to wave your guns around? Is it paranoia, feelings of inadequacy?
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
I’m trying to get you a free hat or a coolie. If you wanted the pen all you had to do was ask you didn’t have to insult me.
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
You sound like a bully big brother saying, “Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?”. Does you childishness know no bounds?
Steve Ford December 27th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
No Red… he’s a TYPICAL “I need a gun to prove I’m a “REAL MAN”” type!!! It’s NOT his fault…. his DADDY obviously passed it on to him!!! PENIS ENHANCEMENTS are just SO CUTE!!! And what’s MORE… Jason’s type makes it SO EASY to spot… his type of TROLL is a GREAT THING to have around!!! KEEP ON KEEPIN’ ON Jason! You POOR PITIFUL FOOL!
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:19 pm
OK, I’m sending $100 to MDA. Anyone else here want to donate?
https://momsdemandaction.nationbuilder.com/forms/user_sessions/new
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
The gun and ammo companies are giving them millions for their efforts undermining rational gun laws.
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
Wayne LaPew is a draft dodger with mental problems that has no business owning a gun. Yet he makes millions a year defending the indefensible.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
“I don’t care one way or another about other people’s comments.”
Oh but you should care. You should care a lot. These are NRA supporters. By not saying one word denouncing their comments, you have supported them.
You must be proud.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
So if a subset of a larger group insult and call names, and I’m part of the larger group, but not part of the subset, I need to say I’m sorry? I don’t apologize for things I’m not a part of, and if I called someone a name, I wouldn’t apologize because if I said it I meant it. I don’t buy into the who “if you say something offensive on twitter and too many people see it, you have to delete the tweet and apologize”. But I didn’t call anyone any names and didn’t insult anyone. I got under one guys skin by donating some money to the NRA, but I would have done that anyways. And I chose the tote bag anyways 😛
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
Donating money to an organization that profits off of ignorance?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
Show us the source that proves this and I might believe you. In any event, your tu quoque fails because of the utter, disgusting, nastiness of the comments about her.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
Go on the moms demand action Facebook page, post a pro gun comment respectfully as possible, check back in a half hour and see if it’s still there. And you will be blocked from commenting further.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
And that is equivalent to the incredibly childish and nasty behavior of your crazed NRA supporters?
She is an individual, and somehow I doubt the claim of respectful comments being barred, but the NRA is an organization dedicated to getting as many guns in as many hands as possible with no thought to the deadly consequences.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 7:12 pm
I was respectful maybe they didn’t even bother reading my comment and just banned me by my avatar.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
What a shocker!
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:27 pm
Did she mention she blocked the NRA, and hundreds of thousands of gun owners, previous to this? No? Huh. So, a spin doctor lawyer tells the story you want to hear. Wow-who’d have thought!!! Seriously, the entire anti gun movement is dead. Of the $50 million spent, you managed to get 2-of 37-candidates elected. Dead. Dead. Dead.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
But they got the background check law!!! But….aw… There’s no real way to enforce it….
jasperjava December 27th, 2014 at 6:35 pm
Dead. Dead. Dead. Just like those little children who were massacred, that you don’t give a f#ck about. Just like those kids who are “accidentally” shot in their homes because idiots like you are too irresponsible to own guns.
william reed December 27th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
And, thats where you’re wrong. Because, unlike the anti gun crowd, which wanted MORE gun free zones-I actually lobbied for solutions. I didnt assign blame. Nor did I stand on the backs of 26 dead children. Like Shannon Watts did. Like you do. No, those that do that-people like YOU-are the most vile, evil people ever. You’re ghouls. You ENJOY bloodshed of innocents-it gives you a cause. So, fuck you.
OldLefty December 27th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
unlike the anti gun crowd, which wanted MORE gun free zones-I actually lobbied for solutions. I didnt assign blame.
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That’s what EVERYONE, (including the so called anti-gun crowd).
And the ghouls from the gun crowd certainly DID stand on the backs of 26 dead children.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 7:55 pm
You’re no longer welcome here. Do not tell our readers “fuck you.”
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
But it’s ok for your readers to tell people who don’t like in your liberal test tube to f off or insult them. Or ban them for doing nothing but trying to have a discussion. If you want a page with people just agreeing with you (which is what MDA is doing on their facebook page), what’s the point? Is it just some ego trip to ban people and listen to yourself speak?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
Try to keep up. We haven’t banned anyone who is reasonable. You’re here aren’t you?
So why are you complaining if you haven’t been banned. Feelings of persecution much?
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
You did ban me! It’s just your banning powers don’t mean much on the internet 🙂
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
Oh so you like our site so much that you made another Disqus username?
You’re not welcome here anymore then.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
And what were your “solutions” – arm every teacher, I suppose? {eyeroll}
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Or dead dead dead like all the people killed in drunk driving accidents, yet not everyone who drives a car is accused of being a killer. Or chastised because the car they drive goes to fast and cars don’t need to go 165mph, etc. When car accidents happen, the drivers are blames. No mention of the car. Anything with guns… It’s the gun that caused the problem.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:45 pm
Guns are designed to kill, that is their primary function, cars are designed to transport things. You gun freaks care only about your stupid little killing machines that amplify your power and make you feel powerful, not to mention the anti-government (THEY’RE COMMING FOR OUR GUNS!!!) paranoia.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
What what guns are made for are of no consequence. Hammers aren’t made for murder yet they are used for murder. Cars are made for transportation yet they are misused. The point is, no matter what the object, the people misusing it are the issue.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
Bullshit, the one and only function of a gun is to kill something and there is no equivalent testing for the use of such a deadly device. The NRA insists that any crazy freak can go out and get a gun and unlimited ammo so he can go and mow down as many people as he can. You simply don’t care about the human suffering, some of which could be greatly reduced by having sensible gun laws.
OldLefty December 27th, 2014 at 7:14 pm
What what guns are made for are of no consequence. Hammers aren’t
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Yes, it is.
Piercing flesh is 99% of the purpose of guns, and the guns that people are the most concerned with are designed to kill a lot people in a very short time.
At least with a hammer, the victim has a fighting chance, an one rarely if ever hears of anyone getting maimed or killed because of a hammer accident.
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
Common people say common things. You think you’re so much better than
the NRA and you tell someone to commit suicide. You realize the most
deaths caused by guns are suicides right?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
You are correct, sorry we missed that. It has been a hectic evening.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:11 pm
Just think about NRA board member and gun nut extraordinaire, Ted Nugent. You really think he represent decency? The man who threatened Obama and Clinton, the man who said he would be dead or in jail is Obama was re-elected?
Steve Ford December 28th, 2014 at 6:35 am
And JASON…. HONEY… I don’t think I’m “BETTER THAN THE NRA”… I just KNOW that I’m BETTER than YOU!!! I don’t NEED a “PENIS ENHANCEMENT” to make me feel GOOD about myself!!! Now go play with your little GUN and CUDDLE with it!!!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 6:47 am
Please stop asking people to take themselves out, implied threats are not tolerated. Your comments will be removed.
Steve Ford December 28th, 2014 at 11:56 am
IMPLIED THREATS??? When did I threaten ANYONE???
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Inviting people to kill themselves is an implied threat. I did not ban you – I asked you and several others to dial it back. Threats in any form are in violation of the TOS and they will be deleted. Keep it up and you’ll be banned, regardless of where you stand on the issue.
whatthe46 December 27th, 2014 at 6:58 pm
exactly.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Actually if you drive drunk and kill someone – they do call you a murderer and there are very specific laws on the books to deal with this issue. Auto deaths are in decline and have been for several decades due to extensive regulation and requirements.
However, practically anyone can be a gun owner with no proficiency test. Your comment is simply invalid.
Jason Costa December 27th, 2014 at 6:51 pm
Really? I’m reading on the local news just last night a drunk driver cause an accident that killed several people. He was driving on a suspended license after having been arrested several times for drunk driving.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:52 pm
Blame the good ole boy legislatures that write toothless laws. In too many parts of this country “boys will be boys” is an excuse for all kinds of bad behavior.
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:04 pm
And the NRA, a terrorist organization, lobbies the governments to create loop holes you can drive a semi through in those laws. That’s why they aren’t enforced or rarely enforced, or worse can’t be enforced.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 6:54 pm
And did they refer to him as a great guy? Or will he go to jail? At least twice a week a read about a toddler and a firearm, it’s always “an accident” and no charges are expected – what the fuck do you call that? Some people are too damn stupid to own a gun, period. The fact that no qualifications are required is ridiculous and unacceptable.
Latest car vs gun figures:
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/gun-deaths-versus-car-deaths/?_r=2
Jason December 27th, 2014 at 9:13 pm
He didn’t go to jail 3 times, and finally now maybe he will after he’s killed someone. The point being is that punishing everyone for the actions of some, doesn’t make any sense. Do you think a parent who leaves a gun around and the child dies wants that to happen? That they set out for that to happen? That’s another dispicable thing that moms demand action did, that actively called for parents whose children died from getting shot in accidents to be prosecuted. As if the punishment of losing a child wasn’t enough.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
We’re hoping it will wake some people up and maybe they’ll think twice before their child is next, but guess what …it happens the very next day.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 6:39 pm
You, of course, have a citation to back this up, right? Please show it and while you’re at it show her equivalent comments about the NRA and its backers.
Matt W December 27th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
The NRA is N-ot R-elevant A-nymore. The vast majority of America favors background checks and common sense regulations. When the gun lobby takes your own words and throws them back at you (calling Watts a “clown,” or “not self aware,” terms which more accurately describe the NRA), that means they have no words of their own, no rational or articulate responses. For every gun nut, there are a couple other Americans who, silently, will vote to curb the NRA and the culture it espouses.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker December 27th, 2014 at 7:59 pm
Well said.
I wouldn’t expect anything more from a bunch of paranoid losers who live in fear whilst clinging weapons.
Thom Clark December 27th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
LOL I love it when people use terms like ‘vast majority’, as they have no actual facts to back them up.
Everything they’ve tried to push has been debunked and came back to bite them in the end.
As I said. You folks are an evolutionary dead end.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
Who are “you folks” that you refer to?
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
That would be you and I Stoney.
Breaks my heart. How about you?
Dwendt44 December 27th, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Reliable surveys put those that support background checks at 85-92%. That includes 75% of NRA members.
The Stig December 27th, 2014 at 8:50 pm
Yeah, those numbers you people continue to quote are a complete farce.
How many background checks would have stopped the Sandy Hook shooting? NOT ONE. How many background checks would stop some gang banger from buying a stolen gun from some thug on a corner? NOT ONE. How many background checks would have stopped the Mexican cartel from killing Border Patrol agents with GUNS GIVEN TO THEM BY THE BATF?!?!?!?!
Background checks are a ruse and literally just another way to restrict law abiding citizens from exorcising their goddamn rights.
Before you go on your usual low IQ “HURRR DURR NRA” garbage, I’m NOT a fucking NRA member.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
Perhaps someone might have notice that Adam and his Mon had some issues. If the NRA didn’t ensure that there was such a plethora of guns floating around, the thugs would have so many to steal, but they don’t have to steal them, they can just buy them. The BATF did not give them the guns, they allowed them to move to try to track the gun-running operation that was done by U. S. citizens to make some money. The sting failed when the local DA’s chickened out.
Why are you trying to exorcise your own rights? Are you afraid that you are too possessed by them?
schotts December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Can you link to any poll that specifically mentions universal background checks?
Highly doubt it.
Dwendt44 December 28th, 2014 at 12:19 am
Then you’d be wrong.
A Quinnipiac University poll, highly regarded.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/07/us-usa-guns-poll-idUSBRE9160LW20130207
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/apr/04/lee-leffingwell/lee-leffingwell-says-polls-show-90-percent-america/
schotts December 28th, 2014 at 1:28 am
Neither says “universal background checks”
Thanks for playing.
Dwendt44 December 28th, 2014 at 1:45 am
WOW! nit pick much? Since we already have ‘background checks’ it’s only reasonable to think (you should try it) that they are/were referring to increased background checks which equals ‘universal’ background checks.
schotts December 28th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
Nitpick? Then why not just put UBC in the question?
My guess is you don’t know what all UBC is all about because it’s way beyond just gun sales.
Thom Clark December 31st, 2014 at 8:57 pm
LOL ‘reliable’ is subjective. The ones who CLAIM they are reliable are usually the ones who initiated them in the first place, utilizing tricky word play to get the answer they want.
And the Background Checks that the ‘Majority’ support are already in place. But the twist comes when the Anti-gunners put a little word into the reporting of those results.. a word that wasn’t in the question itself..
A word like ‘Universal’ or ‘Enhanced’
So the people are just agreeing that they support the Background checks that are already in place, never thinking that the Anti-gun agenda will twist it to mean something else.
Matt W December 27th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
(For the people listening, the comment “You folks are an evolutionary dead end,” is an example of what I was saying above. This ought to make us optimistic.)
Thom Clark December 31st, 2014 at 8:53 pm
For the people listening, Matt still remains clueless about the whole situation. Not surprising though.
schotts December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Yeah, except polls don’t reflect that and if it were true, Dems would probably be in charge of Congress.
Derp
Charlie3 December 27th, 2014 at 7:53 pm
In my opinion, calling a woman a c**t is the same as calling a black person a n***er. So, it appears that a lot of pro gun people are misogynistic which is really the same as being racist. The only difference is gender vs. pigmentation.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:10 pm
See what happens when I go away for a few hours…
The lunatic fringe come out of their closets…
And I was hoping for a nice peaceful Saturday evening of sharing music..
oh well…
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
Tommy Gun..
The Clash..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFHEuKkTa5k
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
I love The Clash!
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
Me loves me some Clash too~!
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 8:30 pm
Nice guys, too:-)
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 8:32 pm
You just have to love a one sided article (click bait) thanks for mentioning in this article you can’t comment on MDA’s facebook, twitter or goole+ anything pro gun without it being deleted and you blocked no matter how clean the comment was. Go try it and see.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
If these folks posted on my account, I would block them too.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Don’t miss understand me I certainly don’t agree with any of the name calling after she was blocked by the NRA. But she blocks people daily so don’t be throwing a tantrum when you get blocked.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
So, they’re equals? The NRA and Shannon Watts?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 8:51 pm
The NRA is a national organization to uses its influence to directly interfere with the legal system, blocking appointments, threatening politicians, spreading untruths and generally being irresponsible. This is one citizen that is trying to get others to stand up to this reprehensible group and she is viciously attacked for it. No wonder she blocks such childish and disgusting behavior.
scott December 27th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
“The NRA is a national organization to uses its influence to directly interfere with the legal system, blocking appointments, threatening politicians, spreading untruths and generally being irresponsible.”
And no liberal organization would ever do that, right??
Should we get into the reprehensible things said of Sarah Palin (and her children) by the left?
Your hypocrisy exceeds your gall.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:01 pm
Pics or it didn’t happen.
scott December 27th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Do your own research…
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
I didn’t make the claim, the onus is not on me to prove it.
scott December 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
I didn’t make a claim, I made an accusation. Refute it.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Well you make it so easy. Goodbye.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
Poor, poor Sarah. She pushed her kids into the public view and she deserves almost everything said about her because she is a truly stupid and evil woman. So go check out your own beam.
scott December 27th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
One “man’s” opinion…
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Hardly my opinion only, virtually all rational people would agree, but you RW kooks eat up her juvenile crap.
OldLefty December 27th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
Should we get into the reprehensible things said of Sarah Palin (and her children) by the left?
Your hypoc
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Anywhere close to what they said about the Clintons and THEIR daughter, by the right?
Spare us the phony outrage.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Or the Obama girls.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Them little girls dressed like they’re going to a night club!
Good grief.
The hate that the RW media money hate machine is incredible.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Still want to know who dresses like a modest school girl to go clubbing, just asking.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
What tantrum? I didn’t see a tantrum.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Do you need a tissue?..
Are ya gonna cry about here?
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
I couldn’t help but notice in your comment history how you have voted yourself up,(Favorited) yourself more times than you have favorable up votes from other sources..
Kind of into yourself aren’t you.
John Jones December 27th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
“met with a slew of vicious misinformed remarks by NRA detractors” – Now this line from this article applies to every anti-gun idiot’s comments about the NRA. Enjoy the growing support for the Second Amendment, particularly among African-Americans. You caused it LOL
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:40 pm
So you think the things they posted on her account are acceptable? Are you an NRA supporter? Do these folks speak for you?
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Conservative women on twitter get called worse than that on a daily basis. Are they being attacked by the NRA too? Stop whining you make all of us look like ninnies.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 9:15 pm
Your avi is of a hooded figure and you claim Carla is making you look like a ninny…..lol
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
you need to get your eyes check dear.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Fair enough, upon further observation I’m unable to tell what you actually are…mea culpa.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Cousin It. You look old enough to know who that is. 🙂
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
So it’s OK to do this to other women because people were rude to Conservative women?
We have banned liberals for that kind of talk. We don’t support it. Why do you?
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
When did I say I supported it? I don’t support whining. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
Yet here you are whining about poor, persecuted Sarah Palin.
I’m not whining and I’m not in the kitchen.
Don’t troll our readers. I won’t say that twice.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
I’m not whining, just pointing out hypocrisy. And I won’t say that twice.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:37 pm
You might not have to if you keep this up. We don’t like banning people.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Lol. Sure you do. No worries. Bunch of whiners all saying the same thing isn’t very interesting.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Then why are you here?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Nope. Don’t quit whining about “Poor us, we’re so persecuted” while at the same time we’ve allowed you to comment here. Any right wing site would ban me in a second. Liberal sites would have banned you as well.
Quit complaining.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
Again, I’m not whining or complaining. Simply pointing out hypocrisy. If Ms. Watts doesn’t like to be called mean names on twitter perhaps she should not be on twitter. Unfortunately it goes with the territory and complaining about it just attracts more of it. Conservative women learned that a long time ago. Not complaining, just stating a fact.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
You’re complaining while condoning reprehensible behavior.
Just stating a fact.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
No I am not condoning it. I myself have been called reprehensible names on twitter by lefties who disagree with me. And I ignore them. I don’t even give them the satisfaction of blocking them because they are strange enough to brag about being blocked as if it is a badge of honor!
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
ctmom • 17 minutes ago
“NRA supporters, I have some advice for you. If you want to appear to be female-friendly, don’t call a woman a “Bitch”, a “cunt”, “twat’ or tell her she needs to “get back in the kitchen.”
Does this advice apply to libs who tweet conservative women? I’m thinking Sarah Pain, Michele Bachman, Michelle Malkin. Pretty spicy tweets they receive and no whining.
Sarah Pain (nice Freudian slip there), Michele Bachman, Michelle Malkin are all evil and ignorant women who say the extraordinarily vile and stupid things therefore deserving all of the negative responses they receive.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
ctmom • 17 minutes ago
“NRA supporters, I have some advice for you. If you want to appear to be female-friendly, don’t call a woman a “Bitch”, a “c*nt”, “tw^t’ or tell her she needs to “get back in the kitchen.”
Does this advice apply to libs who tweet conservative women? I’m thinking Sarah Pain, Michele Bachman, Michelle Malkin. Pretty spicy tweets they receive and no whining.
Sarah Pain (nice Freudian slip there), Michele Bachman, Michelle Malkin are all evil and ignorant women who say the extraordinarily vile and stupid things therefore deserving all of the negative responses they receive.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
So people who feel the same way about Shannon Watts are perfectly justified. Thanks for clearing that up.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Except she is not an ignorant, vile, stupid person, except to you gun nut who get all weak in the knees if you think someone’s going to take your precious away from you, even when that’s not even a remote possibility.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
You are entitled to your opinion I suppose. As am I.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
Really? I don’t know where you are hanging out at, but I call bullshit. If you want to make that kind of outlandish claim you will have to back it up.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:49 pm
Come on..
Where is your white pride..
We cant even get a “White Power” shout out from you?
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
John Jones a a link to his facebook page…
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007878408007&sk=friends
It comes as no surprise he has 0 friends..:)
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 8:42 pm
Nothing like a gun thread to bring out heated debate…and attract all kinds of gun nuts.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 8:45 pm
Trust me they love the clicks.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
They are out tonight…
Full moon?
Some even pretend to be ‘black”…
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
Even pretending to be black. see after a little Google search how that part gets deleted
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Huh?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Not you Carla, the person knows what i’m talking about.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:02 pm
Changing your avatar doesnt make you any darker…
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
???????
Explanation, please.
Seriously.
Tin Foil Hat Chick December 27th, 2014 at 8:52 pm
I see that that I made the list. I support gun rights. What we don’t support are people who want to take away our rights bit by bit with small gun control measures repeated over time.
Time and time again history has shown that great tyranny befalls those who can’t defend themselves. Do 6 million Jews and all the Christians living in the middle east right now ring a bell?
History will repeat itself for those who refuse to learn from it.
We have gun laws in place already that prevent violent criminals, felons, mentally ill, and dishonorably discharged veterans from purchasing guns legally.
EVERYONE takes a federal background check when purchasing a firearm.
Strict gun laws only embolden criminals to prey upon law abiding citizens. Prime example is Chicago.
You people can stay as narrow minded as you want and refuse to see others views regarding this issue and consider ALL the facts.
Oh btw Cain didn’t need a gun when he killed Able.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Total, blithering nonsense.
Tin Foil Hat Chick December 27th, 2014 at 8:53 pm
Typical Liberal Retort.. Facts mean nothing. You are so enlightened in your intolerance.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Where are your facts?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
The NY cop killer did not go thru a bc.FACT
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
I can tell by your screed that that is absolutely true of you, still blithering nonsense.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
“History will repeat itself for those who refuse to learn from it.”
Oh you mean like Sandy Hook? Yes, that’s already happened countless times since then.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
And nearly every single one of them in a “gun free zone” where the person KNEW there would be easy targets. So WHY do places still insist in keeping people as easy targets?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:27 pm
That’s right, arm all the teachers, maybe even the kids so’s they can shoot back, that’ll fix em. No problem with a few dozen people balstin their guns everywhere.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
A little crossfire never hurt anyone.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Why are teachers/faculty even prohibited from possessing non-lethal DEFENSIVE items such as pepper spray, batons or stun guns on school grounds? According to the NEA over 1-in-7 public school K-12 teachers are assaulted by students every year. From discussions with several friends that are teachers this number is way low and under reported. It doesn’t even include assaults by parents or former students.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
So, more guns?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Red – reduce the “gun free zones” which also preclude defensive tools.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Maybe some of the huskier boys could have fought back.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:56 pm
But Cain also couldn’t walk into the Navy Yard and start shooting – no, not everyone goes through a background check. Only new guns purchased through a dealer and absolutely no proficiency test is required. That’s asking for trouble.
Tin Foil Hat Chick December 27th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
He actually served in the military and knew how to use a weapon quite well.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
Cain?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
WTF?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
I don’t know. Cain served in the military? I’m assuming she means the Navy Yard shooter, but I am damn tired of trying to interpret comments. Shannon has an impersonator, then she has two faces (I didn’t see that in the picture) Good grief.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:05 pm
You know how Cain was!
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
You sure take up a lot of space to say nothing..
is this a habit of yours?
Tin Foil Hat Chick December 27th, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Is it a habit to be a condescending twat?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:15 pm
You’re not welcome here anymore.
Have a nice New Year.
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:38 am
Oh my. I’m sorry I thought my fellow Liberals were all about tolerance and understanding. Maybe I am was mistaken about my party? Why is it when anyone disagrees with your views you shut them down? That is usually what brutal dictators do. Not those who fight for freedom.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:19 am
You’re comparing moderating comments to being a brutal dictator. Tee hee hee!
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
Oh boy. Can you give me an argument of your own?
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
“NRA supporters, I have some advice for you. If you want to appear to be female-friendly, don’t call a woman a “Bitch”, a “cunt”, “twat’ or tell her she needs to “get back in the kitchen.”
Does this advice apply to libs who tweet conservative women? I’m thinking Sarah Pain, Michele Bachman, Michelle Malkin. Pretty spicy tweets they receive and no whining.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:04 pm
I think not.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
Most definitely. But this isn’t about Sarah Palin.
SargentRock December 27th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
So we should treat them all that way? Or it’s okay to stoop to the same tactics as people you disagree with? Not sure what your point is here.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
You can’t control what anonymous tweeters will say about/to you. If you can’t deal with it, you probably need to find a different forum that doesn’t give you the vapors.
SargentRock December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
I don’t think anywhere anyone said that you can control what people say about you–the actual point being made was if you wanted to attract women to your cause you might not want to say such mysogynistic things. It’s actually right there in that first thing you quoted. Weird that you missed it so completely.
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
But the NRA doesn’t seem to have any trouble attracting women to their cause do they?
SargentRock December 27th, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Okay, now you’re just talking in circles. You missed the point and made a comment about something else completely, I tried to get you back on track, but instead of acknowledging you missed the point you’re going somewhere else now? Take that thing off your head–it’s clouding up your brain I think.
Now, to your new talking point I don’t actually have any idea about the NRA and women’s membership. I’m guessing the percentage of members that are women is less than that of men, but it would just be a guess.
You’d think a quick google search would yield some answers but I have yet to find any. I did find out there are only 4.3 million NRA members (surprisingly low I think), they spend 200 million a year as a lobbying group and Wayne LaPierre makes 895,000 a year to blame violent video games (that aren’t sponsored by the military or weapons manufacturers of course) for gun violence. I could not find anything reliable on what percentage of those 4.3 million are women, though. So I don’t know–and I’d wager neither do you.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
Monsanto-mommy and her group block EVERYONE that sticks up for the 2nd amendment. Hell, I’ve been blocked by 33+ anti-2nd/anti-Constitution FB pages so by her perverted logic I win 🙂
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Are you just gonna come here and cry about it?..
Or are ya gonna man up and do something about it!!
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Already have, kicked 2 more leftists out of office 🙂
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:09 pm
Unfettered access to any kind of weapon of mass death is not sticking up for the 2nd Amendment, it is insanity.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Red – could YOU be any more clueless? Unfettered? WTH are you talking about?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
You can look it up, unrestricted, no limits, just like the NRA wants.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
You might want to look up the word unfettered as you keep using it but it doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means (with apologies to Ignio)
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:16 pm
un·fet·ter
ˌənˈfedər/
verb
past tense: unfettered; past participle: unfettered
release from restraint or inhibition.
“his imagination is unfettered by the laws of logic”
synonyms:unrestrained, unrestricted, unconstrained, uninhibited, free, rampant, unbridled, unchecked, unmufflered, uncontrolled
“the choice between a planned economy and an unfettered market”
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
Explain the federal form that everyone needs to fill out when buying a firearm from an FFL ? Unfettered?
When buying a safety-oriented device (ie, a Supressor) I need to go through more hoops and pay an addition $200 tax stamp PER ITEM for a device that can be purchased over the counter in of all places, the UK.. Unfettered? I think not…
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
The NRA has cut the knees out from under most reasonable restraints via their threatening mode of political influence. The complete removal of any restraints, or fetters, is a goal, as my remark indicated.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
What you deem “reasonable” is by others “infringement”. What reasonable measures do you propose that would 1) not infringe on one’s rights and 2) actually work to reduce violence?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Then some people need a better understanding of reasonable, and public safety is more important than you sense of entitlement.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Millions of firearms legally owned and only a miniscule portion of them are every used in a crime. However there are thousands of defensive firearms uses each year. Sounds like they are contributing towards “public safety”.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Way too many of them are in the hands of folks that should own them. Period. Way too many children are shot and/or killed every day and the number of shootings where small children put their hands on a gun and shoot an adult – are not even tracked. It’s such a preventable thing. There should be an expectation from gun owners to be fully aware of safety processes and storage and the ability to prove proficiency. Call it infringement all day long – it’s just being a good human being.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
How many children drown around home or are poisoned? As part of being a “good human being” shouldn’t you be pushing to ban pools, bathtubs and any household chemical/drug that might take a life? In most cases/incident reports I’ve read you can attribute things to bad parenting and breaking 1 or more of the basic tenants of firearm safety.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
How many of these products are designed to kill?
Apples and oranges.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
neworleans – I guess my trap/skeet shotguns are defective as they have never taken a life of anything other than flying orange clay discs. My handguns are solely designed either for putting holes in paper targets at 10-30 meters or for self-defense. Again these must be defective by your definition.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
a gun is designed to kill. my wife and i enjoy shooting once in a while.
missed my point.
booze is designed to alter feelings.
cars are designed to transport.
guns are designed to kill.
that’s my point.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Drugs, poisons, bathtubs….all heavily regulated. Heavily.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
No problem with legally owned fire arms. But if I’m irresponsible with one, shouldn’t I pay a penalty?
Just like I should if I’m reckless with a car?
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Reduce the numbers of guns, limit the total number that can be purchase in a set period of time, background checks, a federal database, waiting time, required training for starters. Of course, since you paranoid types are totally convinced that gummint’s gonna take yer gunz and herd you into FEMA camps, I can see why that scares you.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Gun ownership has gone up significantly over the last 6+ years and yet violent crime is at historic lows.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Because a good number of shootings are not, or not classified as crimes.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Just like the 2nd Amendment says, Not the NRA.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Not exactly unfettered is it?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Yes, it is.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
So, what well regulated militia do you belong to?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Same one we do… Firearms are kept in good order and well trained (ie, regulated) with them.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
With all respect, what militia is that?
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:14 pm
Adult diapers are available in your size…
Perhaps an XXXL is suitable for your needs..(you seem to be extra moist) this evening.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:17 pm
I was blocked by her group for simply asking if any of them has seen a gun in Kroegers?
That inflammatory question scared Shannon so badly that she blocked me without response. Typical hypocrite.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:20 pm
I suppose you need a tissue too…
Here..
I hate to see a little boy cry…
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
No, but obviously you people are afraid of me and my intellect.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:23 pm
Bwhaaaa!
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
What does Bwhaa mean? It’s the only thing you added to the discussion.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:36 pm
Still Waiting Anomaly… Anything intelligent to add regarding her stating that the “NRA blocked her because they are scared” but yet she does it to thousands of people. What is she afraid of?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
We don’t believe you. What more is there to say?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
You don’t believe she said it?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:22 pm
What is this?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Wow, great minds and all…
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Actually we enjoy the overt display of narcissism..
Tell me again how smart and wonderful you are..
Just for effect.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
I’m just following Shannon”s logic
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
Stop blaming ‘Shannon’ for your short comings..
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
I’m here to respond to her idiotic statement. Do have ANYTHING coherent to say? How do you feel about Guns at Krogers. Anything just to see if you have a pulse.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
Does “Do Have” come in the form of a question?..
Or just a drunken statement from you?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Nothing I see.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:44 pm
I missed the word “you” Most people with a minimum of education could figure out. But it was a little tough for you. It’s a great dodge when you don’t have anything to add.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
You “missed” seems to be something you do a lot of…
For someone of your alleged superior intellect.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
You still have nothing to add.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
You do realize that you wrote, “I bet your Mom wished for a Boy” to yourself, right?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
No, I wrote it to Stoney for avoiding my questions and trying to troll me.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
Wrong again but at least you’re consistent. Your reply went to yourself. Reading is hard.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
So is being polite.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
What do YOU have to add to the conversation? other than deflecting and trolling me.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
I’m not a troll. I’m right where I’m supposed to be. Why are you here, troll?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
Another deflection,
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Repressed childhood aggressions, and stunted emotional development…
Is there anything else you would like to display this evening for all of us to see?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:44 pm
Answer the question if you can.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:46 pm
Guns at Krogers? For what purpose?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:26 pm
Bwahaha. Okay, because so far we’ve seen a great deal of your intellect.
Red Mann December 27th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Delusions of grandeur.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Narcissistic Personality Disorder..:)
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:21 pm
I asked them about focusing on helping to reduce “violence” in our society rather than focusing on a subset of the problem they label “gun violence”. BANNED!
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:22 pm
Gosh Vicdog…
You almost have 250 comments…
Can I follow you when you hit a thousand?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:26 pm
Stoner fancies herself as a cyber-bully…. Her idol must be Shannon “Monsanto” Watts…
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:28 pm
What ever you say princess…
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
Don’t feed the trolls
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Excuse me. You came here to voice an opinion on an article, and that’s fine – you do not however get to refer to regular readers as “trolls”.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
really what do you call what he’s doing, if not trolling?
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:24 pm
Is there some sort of grape vine that alerts people when there’s a gun thread on a liberal blog? It seems that many show up at the same time.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Yep.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:29 pm
Seems they live under the same metaphorical rock..
They do make nice playthings on a Saturday evening…:)
whatthe46 December 27th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
HA!
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Go to any other article on this site and see how many comments they get. trust me their loving this. sit back and enjoy.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Wow. That’s very insightful comment.
I’m a gun owner.
Want an honest debate?
I’m here.
Want to be an a**hole?
Came to the wrong place.
You won’t trash this site.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
shannon stated that the “NRA blocked her because they are scared” but yet she
does it to thousands of people. What is she afraid of?
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Honestly don’t know enough to comment on her blocking comments. Will say that many sites or Face Book pages will block content that they disagree with…both sides.
Very sad when people can’t have honest dialogue.
Curious question…do you support Teflon bullets?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
What exactly is a “teflon bullet” ?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:50 pm
Exactly, It’s a non issue used to deflect from the question at hand.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
That has nothing to do with the question at hand. Why don’t you look at why she is blocking thousands of users. This is after saying the NRA blocked her because they are afraid of her. What is she afraid of?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Wow. A perfectly respectable response and a honest question and that’s how you choose to respond?
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
Dissenting opinions?
Then she’s wrong.
Just like I’ve been banned from Breitbart and The Blaze.
I’ll admit she’s wrong.
Will you?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
Try reading it again, she asked – she did not state.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
The post was removed, Lol
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
I guess you do the same thing as shannon.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Are you talking to yourself? I removed 2 of your comments, you were not banned and you continue to post but let me make this clear. This is a private blog, and you have no 1st amendment rights here. You remember that one too, don’t you? You’re welcome to voice an opinion, but you need to remember it’s an opposing opinion – this is Liberal Land so be respectful or yes you will be banned – justifiably so.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
Carla – and yet you don’t seem to censure Stoney and her comments?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
Exactly, That’s what I was getting at.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Then re-read what I wrote to you. Or look at meadmkr’s response but like Anomaly, I have a short fuse for the occasional visitor that thinks they can raise hell here. This is not your playground and we do not have to allow dissenting opinions. Some sites simply don’t have the manpower to constantly moderate a board and it’s easier to simply ban opposing opinion. I still have a dozen other stories to moderate and try to keep everyone moving in a positive direction – so please stop making my job harder. This is how and why people are banned.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Pointing out your members foul language and name calling is more work for you? Would it be less work for you if they actually behaved properly? So, just to be clear, The boorish behavior is OK but me bringing it up isn’t OK?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
His, and he’s a regular reader. Yes, Stoney needs to dial it back. We appreciate debate but this is not going to become an out of control situation. Comments will not run unchecked here and we do work to protect our readers. This may be your and Vic’s only visit here, but Stoney brings other like minded visitors to the site.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:59 pm
Look at his answers to me. I’m basically begging him to give me ONE statement of substance to discuss. Not one.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:02 pm
Here’s a question for you, were the cop killers in Vegas, Penn. and NY part of your “well regulated militia” that you so diligently protect?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Nobody has answered my question which I posed multiple times and EVERY time it gets deflected. I’m not going to bite and travel down your rabbit hole. Please answer my question if you can.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
what’s your question
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Please read, I’ve posted it about 5 times. It’s way easier than jumping on me for no reason.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
That’s what I thought, you wanted something of substance to discuss and when presented, you turn tail and run
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
shannon stated that the “NRA blocked her because they are scared” but yet she
does it to thousands of people. What is she afraid of?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
She’s afraid of people like you with guns that have no self control now answer my question , were the Vegas Penn and NY cop killers part of the militia that you want to protect and how do you propose to stop people like them?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:05 pm
What question Vic, what is it that you sp desperately need answered?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Please read, I’ve posted it about 5 times.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
Seriously Vic, I still have 30 unread comments to oderate and there are 150 on this post. I don’t have time to read through them all. Ask it, or go.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
You have nothing to offer do you?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
She’s afraid of people like you w/guns that have no self control now answer my question , were the Vegas Penn and NY cop killers part of the militia that you want to protect and how do you propose to stop people like them?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
What makes you think I have no self control?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
That’s deflection dog.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
That’s what I thought, you wanted something of substance to discuss and when presented, you turn tail and run, …like I’m going to search 300 comments.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
Just click on my name! Not that difficult
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Seriously vic you could have typed it 5 times by now. just do a copy and paste if your fingers are that tired.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
She’s afraid of people like you with guns that have no self control now answer my question, were the Vegas Penn and NY cop killers part of the militia that you want to protect and how do you propose to stop people like them?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
You sound as if you have no self control. How have you determined my lack of control? Do you know me?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
I said people like you dog, not you in particular, WOW talk about deflection.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
I’m not Vic but each of the person(s) that committed those crimes broke multiple laws.
1) The Vegas couple had a history of crime and I believe the guy was a convicted felon.
2) Which NY incident? The guy that killed a person with a hammer and then laid in ambush waiting on first responders to a house fire? Or the person with mental health issues that assassinated 2 law enforcement officers ?
3) The PA guy also broke multiple laws.
If you haven’t guessed by now I’m very pro-law enforcement having been raised in a family of cops/military/FD.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:09 pm
I didn’t bother with that question because it’s just a dodge away from the actual question I posed.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
So what should be done to stop future events from happening again since you seem to not want universal BC?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
And you’ve provided no supportive statement either. Make your point, back it up with a link, actual verifiable numbers or theory or just go home.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
I’m asking a question, What link would you like me to post?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:00 pm
The ends shouldn’t justify the means.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
I’ve read the site from time to time and seldom post except when I see people spouting falsehoods and outright fabrications. While I may not agree with many of your views I do try to keep an open mind and try to have a honest, open discussion.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
Ah, but Stoney is one of us. Get over it. Can I come to your home and f*ck with your family?
Naw..And that’s honesty, jar head.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Do you people need to be respectful of me?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
And I’ve never mentioned the 1st amendment. So why did you mention it?
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
This was by Anomaly which I believe is a mod.
OH sure, because Ms. Watts calls woman “c*nts” all the time.
“You’re an awful person.”
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
Is that acceptable to say to you or any other mod?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
Yes, it totally is if it’s from the post, which I wrote.
George Psofimis December 27th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
She got a taste of her own medicine.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
OH sure, because Ms. Watts calls woman “c*nts” all the time.
You’re an awful person.
George Psofimis December 27th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
I was commenting on her being banned, the name calling was completely wrong. I should have been more clear.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Careful now George or one of these hoplophobes will call you an “ammosexual”. It never ceases to amaze me how intolerant hoplophobes are towards law-abiding citizens sticking up for their rights.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
You are so sexy when you use big words..(more than one syllable)…
I bet you want to touch yourself..
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
Do you have anything to say regarding my question?
Have your Mom read it to you so you don’t miss anything.
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:34 pm
Wow..
37 comments and counting…
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 9:41 pm
And you have ZERO comments of substance.
George Psofimis December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Resident troll.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
don’t feed them
StoneyCurtisll December 27th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Now ya got 38..
Keep it up and you might top 100 by the Sabbath..
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
And I do wish you and the NRA get a dose of your own. You fully deserve it.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
perfect example of the kind of repulsive threats directed at gun owners on a daily basis by gun control supporters. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
No more or less than his.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:11 pm
No. Show me one posting, tweet, email or any social media where Watts called someone by a slur, where she threatened or wished for them to die. I’ll be right here when you get back with that proof.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
If she refuses to call out the posts of her followers who do EXACTLY that, then, as the leader, she is just as culpable.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
No. George stated she needs a taste of her own medicine. Not the same thing.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
I was banned from MDA’s FB page simply for asking why they didn’t focus on “violence” in our society and not just a subset of the problem they like to label “gun violence”. I was banned in less than 3 minutes after posting this. In fact I’ve been banned from multiple FB sites for asking the same thing. In fact every regional MDA FB page blocked me as well so they are sharing a blacklist pretty quickly.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Their focus isn’t street-fighting or bodily assault, it’s gun violence. Not that which “they like to label ‘gun violence'” – it’s actual gun violence. And perhaps they’re tired of dealing with people who call actual gun violence anything other than what it is.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
So why don’t the same organizations push for “auto-violence” or “fist violence” or even “hammer violence” ?
They use “gun violence” to trigger an emotional re$ponse to pu$h them agenda.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:43 pm
Wrong.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Carla – while I cannot offer proof Watts as most are either retracted once the heat ramps up. But let me assure you that MDA and MDA members have threatened firearm owners on multiple occasions as well as committed multiple copyright violations. In fact there is/was several postings stating that if any of them saw a person open carrying they would call the police on them (ie, SWATTING) or file a false report that they were brandishing. Most were ultimately deleted after several days.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
Then I’m sure screenshots were grabbed, correct?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
I’m sure if I put at a few calls for them I can get them easily enough. Take a look over at 1MMAGC as I’m sure Heather and company have them on their page.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 11:32 pm
LOL, okay, I’m sure you could.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:22 pm
Sorry, if I see someone carrying a gun in public and I don’t know their intent I’m calling 911 as well. It’s not wrong nor illegal to call because you have a safety concern.
I’m certain there are crazies on every side of the fence, but this behavior is not encouraged or endorsed by MDA.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Its incredibly sad to see how many weak minded people blindly believe and follow someone like the professional liar Shannon Watts. Her recent claim of ” being blocked by the NRA means your winning” is perhaps the most laughable thing she has said all year. By her own metric ” being blocked means your winning”, Pro Gun Groups and their followers have been crushing Shannon and Moms Demand and Everytown since day one, since it is a verifiable FACT that the groups immediately block the posts of ANYONE that dare question the gun grabber dogma.
She’s a hired gun, an attractive, professional PR expert LIAR that lives in a lilly white gated community of mansions and hires ARMED body guards. Its not that she’s Anti Gun, she’s just Anti Gun for whoever she and her puppetmaster Bloomberg dont approve of .
There can be no ” reasonable discussion” , no ” compromise” , no ” working together” until such time as Shannon and other Gun Control Groups cease and desist their numerous lies. What are they afraid of ?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
“There can be no ” reasonable discussion” , no ” compromise” , no ” working together”
You just described the NRA.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
No, I just described the feelings of 100 million American gun owners who are sick and tired of the bigotry, threats, insults, slurs and LIES that are said about them as if they are gospel truth.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
The same bigotry, threats, insults, slurs and LIES you all and THE NRA throw at anyone who doesn’t agree with you that are said as if they are gospel truth.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:58 pm
Not even close mshare, not by a long shot. You do know the difference between a difference of opinion and an outright LIE dont you ? Gun Control Groups have been caught lying time and time again. Sometimes they even proudly and openly admit to their deliberate deception
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
And the NRA has been caught time and time again lying. Don’t tell no, because I have a friend who is a member and actually gets all of the NRA’s racist, to say the least, little memos to everyone with some pretty disturbing and insane LIES, to say the least and then all the other little emails with all the outrage and gun victimhood cards and how to play them. So, don’t bother.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
Sorry mshare, since no one has anyway to verify your ” friend of a friends ” claims, your comment has no purpose. The NRA is ” racist ” huh ? Which is why one of their most popular commentators is a black man, which explains why they publicly supported and fought for Shaneen Allen, the single black mom from Philly who was being railroaded by NJ. But the NRA is “racist” . Your obviously not even bright enough to realize that claiming the race card over every thing under the sun deeply diminishes the actual events of racism.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Oh Wayne LaPierre’s veiled racist remarks are well known. His madness is well documented, too.
Interesting article here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/14/the-madness-of-wayne-lapierre-will-nra-members-suffer-the-consequences/
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Citations?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Please, I’m sure you’ll understand if I don’t take your word for it. Please cite your sources. Feel free to provide links.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
April 2012 interview with NPR, Sarah Brady openly admits that her group is not interested in pressuring the Fed Govt to prosecute the felons who lied on a background check form ( thereby committing another felony) when they tried to buy a firearm. 1989 interview by Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Anti Gun Group Violence Policy Center who openly admitted to deceiving the American Public ” Assault weapons’ menacing
looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully-automatic machine
guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons –anything that looks like a
machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun– can only increase the
chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. “
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:29 pm
http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/intro.htm
Less than 10% of the denials on the NICS check are followed up on and even fewer are prosecuted.
“prosecutions in 2011 were down 35 percent from the previous
administration’s peak in 2004, according to Justice Department data
compiled by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse
University.”
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
Citations?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:41 pm
Sorry friend, Dan won’t be able to get back to you on that.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
I’m a liberal gun owner who believes we need some sort of controls. Does that fit into your world?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
This year for Xmas, we got my youngest son a new holster and a conceal carry training class (with a proficiency component). I cannot believe that asking for this to be required is unreasonable.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
Neither can I.
And I know how you feel about this, Miss Carla.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Amazing how many blindly follow her given her relationship with Monsanto.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
The real question is what are you and the NRA afraid of? Yeah, you and all the NRA hired minions that post on everything, everywhere. It’s you who are afraid. And you who are the fools who have bought, lock, stock and barrel (pun fully intended) the NRA terrorist mission to destroy anyone who has a difference of opinion or opposes you. Do you all look at ISIS and see yourself looking back? You should. That’s you. You’re exactly like them. And you and the NRA are terrorists. Period.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:54 pm
Me. ? Im not afraid of a damn thing. I have no reason to fear anything
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 9:55 pm
Then why be here?
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
Oh, I wasnt aware that one needed to be afraid of something in order to comment here. Sooo. What are you afraid of ?
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:00 pm
No, why are you here? What have you got to say that hasn’t been said a million times before by the NRA. What are you proving?
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Im not speaking for the NRA though, Im speaking for myself, as a critical thinking, logical American, as well as a victim of ” gun crime” twice over, once as the Great Grandson of a murder victim and once from being robbed at gun point as a young man.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
Yeah, right. Oh, boo hoo, I’ve been robbed at gun point, too. I saw a man gun whipped and almost killed. And no one says get rid of guns, totally. Good God, you’d all freak out and shoot police and then some and it’d be Bundy Ranch on roids. But background checks? You can’t conceive of what was once thought about by NRA literally back in the 1930s at the beginning as some sort of common sense? My freaking God, even Wyatt Earp restricted guns from his town. But you SEE EVERYTHING as a threat? You can’t come to some middle ground? You can’t see some “sense” in some potential of keeping guns out of truly freaking crazy or criminal hands? Seriously? That’s gonna kill ya?
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
For knowing absolutely NOTHING about me, my views or my stance on almost any topic, you have just also helpfully proved my earlier point that Gun Control supporters will happily lump any and all gun owners into one group, while decrying the stereotyping of other groups because of the actions of a few.
When did I ever say I see ” everything as a threat ” ? I have been background checked more times than I can count. I have security clearance to be on Military Bases, Nuclear Power Plants, and major Ports. Im authorized to transport tens of thousands of pounds of the nastiest, most toxic, most explosive materials known to man, that could wipe out a small town in a single act.
I am fully supportive of mental health background info being cross checked during a gun purchase, PROVIDED that there are clear avenues of appeal, considering labeling people as “mental cases” is a tried and true tactic to silence political opposition, perfected by the Soviets.
I DO however believe in the Oath I swore, as well as in being prepared for any eventuality
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Ditto. Change names, nouns, etc. Shall we dance?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 9:56 pm
You really know nothing about gun owners. The only time we come out is when we are attacked. usually we like to be left alone and we grant you the same respect.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
B I N G O ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:03 pm
No you don’t. You never grant anyone the same respect. That’s pretty damn clear. THAT I do know about gun owners. No, I take that back. Gun owners is too broad. There are some gun owners out there who do want to see background checks and some sane response. No, you, the NRA, don’t grant the same respect. And you KNOW it.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Clearly you are unaware that the ” overwhelming majority of NRA members support universal background checks” is yet another bold faced lie.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:08 pm
There you have it. I didn’t say NRA. Did I?
Thom Clark December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
Ummm yeah, you did. In the first post on this thread.
The NRA doesn’t hire attack dogs like Bloomburg does.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Again, links or I can only assume you’re lying.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
You know what they say about ASSumptions Carla
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Yes I do, That you cannot back up your claims and that you’re an ass.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:07 pm
Can you tell me what a background check is?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Respect is earned, not given freely. Your labeling of people you do not even know a “terrorist” makes it difficult for others to take you seriously yet alone to show you any respect…
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
love when people talk about background checks and when you ask them to explain they can’t they have to go Google it lol
Thom Clark December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
We already have background checks in place. Your idea of sane is not even close to being sane.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:20 pm
Pffffft. Depends on the state.
Thom Clark December 31st, 2014 at 8:52 pm
pffffffft not as much as Anti-gunners hope people will believe.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
So now we are terrorists! That is unacceptable to say.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
NOT at all. Because you act EXACTLY like terrorists.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
mshare – what actions do law-abiding gun owners commit that causes you to live in fear/terror? You will find that most of us simply want to be left alone to live our lives. How is that instilling terror in others?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
Carrying around a long gun in a grcoery store? You don’t think that many, many people – especially children find this frightening?
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:16 pm
Amen!
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Have you personally ever seen a long gun in a grocery store?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Yes, several times but never at a Krogers – they don’t have any in Kansas City.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
Educations goes a long way towards reducing fear of the unknown in children (and adults).
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
Kids don’t need to see guns in a grocery store or in a place like Target. Period. Education has nothing to do with that.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
So police or armored truck guards shouldn’t be seen in these places either?
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
Is their official job capacity connected with being armed? Yes. Duh.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
Again, invalid. Right or wrong we are taught from childhood that policemen are good – protectors. We assume they have the training and skill to use their weapon and will only do so to protect and keep us safe. Weird Charlie the neighbor guy down the street, he doesn’t get the same consideration.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Not a valid argument. My entire family are gun owners, but I have no idea what the nutjob walking down the frozen aisle has running through their head. You don’t need a gun at Krogers.
whatthe46 December 27th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
i don’t know. how about shooting up schools or movie theatres, etc. as far as i know, 1st graders aren’t a threat to anyone.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
How many of those were legal gun owners?
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
Neither of the shooters involved in those incidents were ” law abiding gun owners”. In fact, they both committed numerous felonies in furtherance of their criminal acts. Interestingly enough, both individuals, as well as nearly every other mass shooter in the Country was suffering severe mental illness, something no one wants to have a serious discussion about since blaming in animate objects is easier
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
Exactly, I wonder what additional law would have made them go, Hmmm.. I better not do this!
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
None has blamed the gun, only the gun owners, which is exactly why we feel there should be more regulation.
whatthe46 December 27th, 2014 at 11:08 pm
regulation is not a part of their vocabulary.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
I’ve never hurt anybody or committed any crimes. So it’s just an odd statement.
mshare December 27th, 2014 at 10:19 pm
No, it’s not. I’ve been called more names than I can think of and people have been threatened because they went against the NRA? Literally threatened with their life? Perhaps not you. But you all pretend it’s all okay, it’s not me…but then there are these threats……? LOOK above. The article we are discussing. WTF?!!!!!!!!
Thom Clark December 27th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
You ignorant buffoons have no clue what real terrorists are
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:04 pm
Anomaly 100 will let this one slide, and without warning.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:12 pm
Of Course
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
Didn’t say you were, said you were acting like one.Comprehension, it’s a thing.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
What does comprehension mean?
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
Yoo hoo! Moderators!!! I point out hypocrisy and get threatened with bandom yet inflammatory rhetoric like calling law abiding gun owners terrorists is A-OK?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:18 pm
see my post (Anomaly 100 will let this one slide, and without warning.)
ctmom December 27th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
What kind of a whacked blog has moderators that insult you, argue with you and threaten to ban you instead of debate? Only in Liberaland I suppose. Geez Louise.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:27 pm
I give zero fucks if you click on the ads or not. Quit trolling.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
yeah I’m the troll.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:31 pm
Yep, you are.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Yes you are. You’re coming to our home and acting in a rude manner.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
That’s okay, we won’t be insulting you anymore.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:32 pm
Moderators? What moderators are shutting you down?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
As you exit Dan just don’t click on any of the ads. only give them this one day of traffic.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
Really?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:15 pm
yeah when you jump on me for calling out a troll and not moding the people calling us terrorists.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:33 pm
There are currently 471 comments on this thread alone, I don’t have time for this crap. You want to visit here once, at Liberal Land – knowing you would be providing an opposing view and you don’t want us to get any “clicks”. Screw you.
VicDog December 27th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
Stay Classy! Lol
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
don’t screw me Carla, how you think you got to 471 comments? us pro gun people sharing on facebook and tell everyone to come comment. and this is just one of my FB post.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
So you sent in a bunch of trolls? How nice but I already assumed that one of the gun humper pages sent you guys here.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
Nope, screw you.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 11:25 pm
yeah act like you have other article with more than 60 comments
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:28 pm
Wow, you are an ass.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
Asses are more useful.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
As I said, funny how gun threads bring out the nuts.
I guess I’m not a real American for wishing for a start to reasonable discussion.
btw…wow…ain’t seen nothing like this here on this normally placid site…
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:39 pm
yeah cause we “gunnuts” are the ones calling people terrorists.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:43 pm
Wait til she runs a story on some nutjob that wants to hang a Nazi flag. That’s a day that will live in infamy.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:01 pm
The left insists that it is wrong to stereotype an entire group of people because of the actions of a few, i.e. Blacks vs Gang Bangers, Muslims vs Terrorists, etc. Yet strangely, they have absolutely NO problem whatsoever with blaming every gun owner in the Country for the actions of the criminally insane. Epic Hypocrisy in action
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
You are such a victim.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:13 pm
Never claimed I was a victim of anything bobrobertson. Why dont you try addressing the rampant hypocrisy instead of changing the subject ?
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:17 pm
We see you and your “open carry” insecure freaks.
They are all NRAcists. Groupthink is what you do.
Bet you never defended yourself once with a gun, but are so scared you sleep with one.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Its a shame we didnt make a bet bobrobertson, cause you would have just lost. I’ve used a firearm in self defense three times, never once needing to fire a shot. Interesting how you prove my earlier point by lumping everyone that owns guns into the ” open carry insecure freaks” like I said, blatant hypocrisy
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:26 pm
But enough about your sister.
Dan Roberts December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
got it, so in typical fashion, you have no actual defense, you have nothing to contribute in a constructive manner, so you resort to insults. Sigh…………………………. so predictable
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:43 pm
All you are is a scared little boy who sees everything as a threat.
Can’t help it if I’m not afraid.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Don’t let it bother you Dan…just another brainless liberal troll.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Obvious troll is obvious…
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Nothing but incoherent blabber…
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
And you came here to say what of value?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
Bob – why so defensive?
BTW, you automatically lose the argument when you call someone a “racist”.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
You should be proud of your racism.
Only conservatives are allowed in the KKK.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:34 pm
Stay on topic bobby…. We aren’t discussing the organization formed by southern Democrats. Well, actually the NRA was involved as they supported gun ownership of minorities to defend themselves. MLK was a strong supporter of the 2nd (and other) amendments…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:38 pm
And that really helped him out.If he ever “open carried” the conservatives would have killed him.
Oh, that’s right, they did.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
Who did bobbio?
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Conservative hero James Earl Ray did.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:44 pm
In both cases, old NRA and old Democrats. The Dixiecrats became the Republican Party and the NRA got LaIPierre and big fat kickbacks from gun manufacturers.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
Interesting that the largest group against the CRA was the Democratic party.
“June 10, 1964, was a dramatic day in the United States Senate. For the
first time in its history, cloture was invoked on a civil rights bill,
ending a record-breaking filibuster by Democrats that had consumed
fifty-seven working days.”
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
I believe that’s what I just said. The old Dems (the Dixiecrats).
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
A DEMOCRATIC president signed the CRA. and he lost the conservative vote forever. Good riddance I say.
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
Name the conservative equivalents of the NAACP and the ACLU, both of which fight for the rights of minorities and are considered liberal.
Hint: There aren’t any.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
The former is a (by definition) racist organization promoting one race over another (as is La Raza) and the latter is something of an oxymoron in that they won’t take up cases dealing with specific amendments.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:00 pm
I can see why you’re conservative.
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
It’s fun watching you try to explain away the fact that liberals are known for fighting for the rights of minorities.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:15 am
The NAACP fights AGAINST racism, and accepts members of all races.
No wonder you don’t like them.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:26 am
Funny how you have to go back 50 years to find racist southern conservative Dixiecrats.
They have all defected to the RepubliKKKan party since then. Or have you not noticed that the old Confederacy are now all-solid right-wing racist KKKonservatives RepubliKKKans now? why do you think they’re called Red States?
And before you bring up Robert Byrd: In 2008 Robert Byrd enthusiastically endorsed a mixed-race Black man for President of the United States.
Your arguments are $hit, and you know it. If you don’t know it, you have more problems than you’re aware of.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
Oh maaaaan….hahahahahahahahaha. There’s one in every crowd. Yo bobbie, your village is looking for you…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Which means you got nothing, and are probably a member. GTK.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
You sound mad bobro?
Todd Walters December 27th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
I find it extremely amusing (and comically hypocritical) that Shannon is making such a big deal about being blocked, when her flagship Facebook page Moms Demand Action blocks anyone who posts anything other than the factless diatribe that MDA subscribes to. I posted a question regarding one of their statements and was polite, respectful and to the point, and immediately found myself blocked. If you’re going to establish an idealogical echo chamber that allows no views but your own, don’t masquerade when your opponent does the same thing.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:40 pm
Too many of these self-styled crusaders live by “do as I say, not as I do”.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Why am I banned from RW sites? Explanation please.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:24 pm
I’m guessing you didn’t sing from the choirbook. I was banned from Breitbart because I told the truth.
Never a good idea on conservative sites.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
She did not make a big deal out of it. she posted a tweet. The response she got was the “big deal making”.
Todd Walters December 27th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
No, she posted THIS:
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:53 pm
??? You mean the tweet that’s shown above in the story?
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
That was the follow up tweet, You know this information is shown above in the article you did not bother to read, right?
Todd Walters December 27th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
Actually I did read it, but since you’re leaping to her defense instead of acknowledging the hypocrisy on both sides, I can only suppose that you’re one of her parrots that can’t think for yourself. If she’s not bothered by it, why did she take the time to create a meme and tout her blocked status? And why does she continue to silence anyone with an opinion other than her own on the MDA page? If you can’t at least acknowledge and discuss other peoples’ views then you’re nothing more than an echo chamber and political zealot. Something we see too much of these days.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
LOL “parrots”
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
I think you missed the point. She never said she was upset about being blocked or even the onslaught of attacks by quite literally awful people – hence the second tweet.
We, here at Liberal Land are outraged at the vile spewed at her. And if the postings she gets her on her site are anything like what I’ve seen here tonight – you bet I’d block them too.
Todd Walters December 27th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
That’s the thing-she’s attempting to martyr herself for being blocked by the NRA when she engages in the same behavior. And you’re correct, the comments that were listed were completely out of line and vile. However, the folks from MDA are not short on insulting and juvenile comments either. You can see plenty of them on the MDA page. But there are comments, like mine and many others, who attempt to engage in a civilized, rational and constructive conversation, and debate the issue as it should be, and we are immediately blocked as well. You can’t have it both ways. It’s sad that we can’t have an honest political discussion these days without resorting to gestapo tactics and name-calling. And I blame both sides. I am a proud supporter of the second amendment and a concealed carry license holder, but that doesn’t mean I’m not capable of rational discussion.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
All the Mom’s Demand Action folks are clueless tools. I haven’t met an anti yet that knew anything about guns or gun safety.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Exactly how many have you met?
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Dozens, including a number of now former “anti-gun” people that were either mugged, concerned for their safety or simply decided they wanted to learn more about firearms.
The worst ones are the upper-echelon of “law enforcement” that are more politician than actual law enforcement.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Wasn’t asking you but the gentlemen making the very broad generalization.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
Maybe Indy was painting with a very broad brush but there are many examples of this including DiFi with her finger on the trigger waving it around the audience and then in a class all by himself – CA State Senator Kevin de Leon and his “ghost gun” tirade.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Perhaps but we’ll never know. It seems he’s only here to agitate and not engage in a discussion. He thinks we just should get used to the disappointment.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:02 am
Maybe but there are many documented examples of people that are on the anti-2nd platform that have demonstrated either zero knowledge of firearms, firearm safety or simply make things up.
Then there is the public display of hypocrisy in that both Bloomberg and Watts have ARMED security that accompanies them everywhere.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 28th, 2014 at 12:40 am
Are Bloomberg and Watts anti-gun?
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
I’d guess there’s at least four of you right here? Are you going to thrill me with all your gun knowledge or are you just going to spew MDA talking points?
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
Wrong.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:56 pm
To my knowledge you have met none of us, and you certainly haven’t attempted to engage anyone here in a meaningful debate – so your point was….
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
Maybe…
marinate in your paranoia…
I’ll get back to ya…
Matt W December 27th, 2014 at 11:36 pm
I’ve shot handguns and rifles on my family farm and with military friends at a range. I support this group in part because I AM familiar with guns. MDA has nothing to do with–nor any responsibility–to “thrill you” with knowledge of guns. That’s not what any of this is about.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:47 pm
“anti” what? Are you under the mistaken impression that people who want better control over who owns guns are “anti” gun? Hmmm.
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:53 pm
Yep. Anti-gunner folks. My Constitution Rights are not subject to your whims and wishes. I suggest you get used to that disappointment.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Sorry, not all those who want better control over who owns guns are anti-gun. Try to contain your cognitive dissonance.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
truth is some people just want better ”control” where bad guys would not be able to buy legal firearm right?
well sad news, it does not work. not at all actually.
word from canada even with strict policy on firearm we still have some mafia and street gang with illegal full auto rifle that roam the street. lot of raid lately
and banning all firearm does not help look at australia.
but something weird happen when everyone has the right to carry and own fully automatic rifle, look at switzerland.
do i think it could work ? yes
but it will be a huge cost, did cost us 2 billion for only 11 million owner, i wonder how much i would be in the us
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:29 pm
How many gun deaths per 1000 in Canada last year?
bruno December 28th, 2014 at 12:00 am
8.31. per 1000 (from index mundi)
can’t compare with firearm on that, because we do not have the right to protect ourself in canada. (AND our police force use pepper spray because they don’t know how to use their service pistol. in quebec the % or requalification (they need to qualify each year to keep on carrying on duty) was really poor, and a lot didn’t do it in years by using a loop hole (basically if they are on duty when the qualification is set they get a free pass)
if someone break in your house you must call the cop, if you touch him you get a criminal record, (even if he tries to kill you or have weapon on him and is dangerous)
we have a case right now where a man (60s) shot warning shot with his 12g because 3 teenager broke into his house armed with bat and knives (late teen if i remember correctly)
every single one of them is getting in trouble.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
You will have to explain your references to other countries, but in the meantime, “bad guys” do not generally roam around shooting up movie theaters and elementary schools. SICK people DO. So MY goal is to keep THEM from getting guns.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
and this is a good thing. we should help the sick people
SoTiredOfPolitics December 28th, 2014 at 12:36 am
We can’t rely on helping sick people, however, as the fix.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 3:07 am
K what is your solution, besides banning certain types of guns, magazine capacity limits, and not limiting the rights of legitimate gun owners? What is the solution? Background checks on all gun owners? Fine, if we accept that concession we also need a concession from your side. Like all states become shall issue, with little to no obstacles to getting a concealed carry permit. Can you accept legal owners to carry unrestricted? I doubt you could, which is proof that the issue is that you and people like you want gun owners to concede more and more of their rights, but you are unwilling to concede anything. And that is the ultimate reason even background checks have a hard time passing into law. Some gun owners would even maybe be willing to accept background checks, but deep down they know that it wouldn’t end there. When the next school shooting happens there would be need for “more” to be done. What would that be, who knows. Whatever some politician makes up in their mind to sound good on paper.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
But the constitution gives us the power to limit your rights or are you against the constitution?
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:33 pm
Um, please show me where the constitution gives you the power to limit rights… The constitution and Bill of Rights is a list of NEGATIVE rights…meaning it does not limit any rights but those of government. Of course you don’t know that because you are a weak-kneed, lefty stooge…
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
Maybe you should try reading the constitution before commenting on it, there was once an assault rifle ban in case you were unaware of it.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:36 pm
And? It was unconstitutional then, as well…
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:37 pm
If it was why didn’t scotus rule that to be so?
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Com’on tommy what’s your response?
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:40 pm
I dont know that it ever made it to a scotus ruling… Nor would I trust modern supremes to interpret the constitution in the way it was intended by the framers…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
So slavery should be legal. Women should not be allowed to vote.
Using original intent, you can’t vote either.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Super sweet strawmen…the constitution was amended and the 3/5 compromise struck…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
You said you want to go back to “original intent”. that’s what the founders agreed on, as well as a “well regulated militia”.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:48 pm
What the framers intended doesn’t need to be interpreted…they wrote specifically of what the 2nd amendment was about. Take a magical journey and crack a book.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
“Well regulated” is not James earl Ray.
Deal with it.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
So a law stood for 10 years w/o the nra challenging tommy…you got nothing.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Considering at the time, it had the approval of the NRA, yes…I believe it was never challenged.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
tomy you got nothing you only use the 2a to hide behind while denying everyone else the power to do something to protect themselves. you hit someone for using strawmen while erecting your own, go away you wont be answered again at least not by me.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:51 pm
What I want doesn’t impinge on your rights… What you want impinges on mine. You want the right to disarm people and destroy the 2nd amendment. You retain no such right. People like you enable tyrants and are enemies to liberty. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
Guns have more rights than schoolchildren.
Guns have more rights than theater goers.
Your right to life? Not so much.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 28th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Ha! So sorry you don’t get to pick & choose when you want the current scotus to rule on issues.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
My other response is why dont you worry about yourself, instead of worrying about what every one else does… Stop trying to run people’s lives and change their behaviors. If they hurt someone they are guilty…if not leave em alone. Stop being a whiney little busy body who wants to mold everyone into your sensibilities…
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
So why are you against the constitution then tommy?
SoTiredOfPolitics December 28th, 2014 at 12:41 am
“If they hurt someone they are guilty…if not leave em alone.”
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Right, because charging them with murder SO brings back the dead kids.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:55 am
Do making more gun laws bring back the dead kids? A background check was done. That gun belonged to Adam Lanzas mother, she went through a background check. She allowed him access to the gun. You want to make a law charging the irresponsible gun owner? Sorry she died. Adam killed himself. So the gun owners that have ar15s must be at fault, they must be banned….
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Are flame throwers legal? Machine guns? Missiles?
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:42 pm
Sweet strawmen…but sure…why not…they can be used responsibly. Machine guns are already available to citizens…
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
tommy you just spouted 3 strawmen of your own.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
I’d also add that the original 10 amendments are not up for rewrite as they were never intended to bestow rights, merely enshrine natural rights of all free people. So no, again, you cannot limit the Bill of Rights.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:37 pm
Gee, and that prohibition thing…hmmm exactly what did they do there -oh they amended the Constitution.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:38 pm
Did prohibition amend the Bill of Rights? No…but at least the people of the time had the respect for rule of law enough to know that an amendment was needed to enforce a prohibition…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:38 pm
Tell me what “well regulated” means to you.
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Same thing as a well regulated machine…one that is in working order… Keep spouting the same tired talking points…
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:40 pm
So we are machines?
Tom Candelaria December 27th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
I’m done responding to your juvenile debating style
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Because you can’t.
You know what a well regulated militia is, and it isn’t Cliven Bundy’s gang.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:46 am
Well regulated is well armed/trained. They didn’t have gun laws back then, at least not as we know them. There were no “regulations” as we think of them. Guns were needed for protection and for gathering food. It was literally a tool just like a wood axe or a hammer. They needed guns for their survival. That’s why saw fit to include it in the bill of rights. And while we do have modern conveniences today that make guns less important (the reason why some people are quick to just give up the right with the old “I’d never have a gun in the house”), that doesn’t mean everyone has to give up the right because some choose not to exercise them.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:04 am
How can firearm ownership be a “natural” right, when firearms were only invented a few centuries ago? Human beings have lived for hundreds of thousands of years without guns. There’s nothing “natural” about them.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:39 am
So something has to have been invented in a certain timeframe to have been protected by the bill of rights? I can see that. Didn’t Diane Fienstein say something stupid about how the protections of he first amendment shouldn’t apply to Internet bloggers because the first amendment only protects legitimate real news “media”. I haven’t heard anymore about it, maybe someone convinced her that she was saying something stupid.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
Adam Lanza knew all about guns and gun safety. A lifetime NRA member.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Really? Where can I verify that claim blobblobbertson?
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Since you can’t correctly type a screen name, I’m guessing that literally everything else is beyond your limited abilities.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 10:53 pm
And he still chose to commit multiple crimes…
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 10:58 pm
He chose nothing, he was incredibly ill.
TapestryMood December 27th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Exactly…!
Independent December 27th, 2014 at 10:59 pm
Imagine my surprise slobberblobbertson, when I did a quick Google search and discovered this HuffPo news article titled, “NRA Confirms Adam Lanza, Nancy Lanza Were Not Members”.
edmeyer_able December 27th, 2014 at 11:00 pm
But the constitution gives us the power to limit your rights, or are you against the constitution?
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 11:19 pm
Not against, just hasn’t read it.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:01 pm
According to the NRA, no members are murderers. And Adam Lanza was a member, they just won’t admit it.
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
He called you a silly name. According to The Conservative Rules of Debating, he won the argument. Better luck next time…
TapestryMood December 27th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
Oscar just told me to let you know about his persona….told him I already did;-)
Did you see this the other night at Pic??
Might come in handy tonight…..lol….
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1566/5713/original.jpg
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:15 pm
Thanks! I’m following the “new” Oscar now and I added that hilarious (and true) graphic to my bookmarks!
Thank you times infinity.
TapestryMood December 27th, 2014 at 11:19 pm
♫Call it an early Birthday present, darlin’ man :-)♫
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:53 pm
Going off private was the best one! 🙂
TapestryMood December 28th, 2014 at 12:01 am
I did it just for you…mwah…Don’t forget to check your gmail now and then, birthday guy! And, Canuck’s and Bar later on..in a bit;-)
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:16 pm
They are still using chemtrails to control their minds. Then there’s the Flouride…
TapestryMood December 27th, 2014 at 11:18 pm
Oh, gawd….the hysteria….mindblowing;-(
Hope you have a good new year!
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:22 pm
I see they got to you. How can we have a good year while a Muslim is running our country?
Why did God let Mitt lose when he was so obviously His choice?
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:24 pm
Thankfully, my sarcasm detector is working. That, and I saw your screen name before going off.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:27 pm
I seen you over at Politico. Crazy damn LIBERAL think we should have rights and stuff.
MagnaDave★★ December 27th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
Dang! You’re on to me!
TapestryMood December 27th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
¯(ツ)/¯There, there…♫The sun will come out tomorrow….♫…;-)
Thomas Cameron December 27th, 2014 at 11:49 pm
Nope. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/nra-confirms-it-has-no-re_n_2972762.html
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 11:14 pm
I do. Your point?
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
Stay smokey my friends. I’m out of here, see you on the other side @disqus_SDJ9pVZ6df:disqus
Thomas Cameron December 27th, 2014 at 10:49 pm
I tried to engage the MDA folks in real conversation on their Facebook page. Once. I was instantly blocked.
So Ms. Watts can kindly pound sand. She’s a hypocrite to the nth degree. Pot, meet kettle.
Anomaly 100 December 27th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Oh FFS. Why are all of you missing the point? What is wrong with you?
whatthe46 December 27th, 2014 at 10:57 pm
the point is he’s avoiding the article. tells you a lot about these kinds of people.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
the point ?
that there was some idiot that called her name, and she took those she wanted to and put them on the internet ?
so a couple idiot make a big organisation look bad ?
the point is, don’t believe what you see on the internet, because anyone can pass anything to prove any point to anyone.
make your own idea by talking to real people and for the love of god. don’t start the conversation with ”we should ban all guns”
try to start on a neutral ground and talk it out, and then make your idea
Thomas Cameron December 27th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
The point is that MDA and their folks are just the other side of the same coin as the extremists who claim the NRA. They both use juvenile methods like blocking people who don’t fill up their echo chamber with the right kind of noise.
Frankly, neither side represents me. I own firearms. I’m a former police officer, passed all kinds of psych exams over the course of many years, so the whole “you gun owners are nut jobs” spew is not applicable. I believe the founders knew what they were doing when they penned the 2nd. Owning firearms is a right.
I think that MDA has some valid concerns, but their methods are, frankly, juvenile. I believe that the NRA does far more good than harm, but that doesn’t mean that I agree 100% with everything they say.
In short, I believe that there is a place for real conversation and maybe even some middle ground. MDA is not interested. They prove it daily by instantly blocking anyone who tries to engage in conversation on their social media page. Apparently, the NRA did the same thing. Juvenile on both sides, and demonstrates – clearly – that neither is really interested in meaningful conversation.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:34 pm
You are a member of a “well regulated militia”.
And who really cares about being blocked by anyone?
The whole Facebook thing is kinda juvenile.
(But keep using them until I sell my stock.)
Thomas Cameron December 27th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
You know nothing of police work, Bob. The “well regulated militia” verbiage clearly talked about citizens who could come to the aid of the country, not police, not soldiers. There is ample evidence that is what the founders had in mind. I know it doesn’t fit your view of things, and that you’ll probably stoop to more insults with your next post. You’ve demonstrated that you’re just another extremist. I have no interest in playing with you tonight, sorry.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:51 pm
Yes, Benjamin Franklin was a militia member, they kept guns locked up until they went to protect against Indians, and the British, and using flintlocks.
Original intent and all.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 11:56 pm
So should the 1st then not be limited to parchment and quill or are you trying to make a different point?
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:00 am
Franklin ran something like 18 newspapers, so there was this thing called a printing press.
And even the first amendment has limits, like inciting violence, advocating the overthrow of the govt, liable, slander, and other such LIMITS.
No rights are absolute, except the rights of guns according to the NRA.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:24 am
Is not the commission of a crime using a firearm a crime? We already have background checks for new firearm purchases. Look at Washington states new law and the “unintended consequences” where a museum had to divest of historical firearms due to the law.
Let me make this clear, we need better enforcement of EXISTING laws and not just new, unenforceable or knee-jerk legislation however well intended it may be. We need better mental heath care and a system that holds organizations accountable for letting folks slip through the cracks once in the system.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:23 am
Right, the government has drones, but this guy is going to save us from tyranny with an armed takeover of the government.
Guest December 27th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Came back to leave this for Carla .They Promised Us Peace if we Gave up Our Guns http://disq.us/8li7sc
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
No one said anything about giving up guns. Typical NRA all or nothing argument.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
what do you propose ? cause from all the news feed all we can read is, let’s bans handgun and ar-15.
this is pretty much taking guns maybe not all but a lot of firearm that have been bought legally and that have helped to feed american family.
i do agree something need to be done,
like keeping an eye on our kids so they don’t become mindless idiot that do stupid stuff and risk becoming street criminal.
also i do agree that we need to teach our kids and people how to be safe on an everyday basis
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:19 pm
Something needs to be done?
Clearly you are not a TRUE NRAmerican.
There’s nothing wrong with America more guns won’t solve!
Guns in jail, guns in psych wards, all things the NRA supports.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
lol
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 11:13 pm
Carla clearly hates America.
Ignore her.
/s
mrsgunka December 27th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
🙂
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
Hey Mrs G, I hope you had a wonderful holiday.
mrsgunka December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 am
It was very quiet. The holidays are difficult with 2 empty chairs this year. The boys will be here next week so we will celebrate then. I bet yours was great with the baby having her first one! That’s what it is all about!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 5:43 am
I was thinking of you over the holiday, knowing it would be tough. I am sure you’re looking forward to their arrival. Yes, the baby’s first xmas was a success. Mostly in the beginning he just wanted to eat the paper, but then he got the gist of it.
mrsgunka December 28th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
So cute! He is getting so big.
neworleans878 December 27th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Glad to see you, mrs.
mrsgunka December 28th, 2014 at 1:00 am
Thanks! Been trying to get caught up but it is wild tonight. Needless to say, gun topics bring the nuts out of the woodwork.
I had over 100 guns in my house for over 30 years and never shot one of them. No desire to or a reason. Have zero now and it doesn’t bother me at all. I’m not about to start arming myself at at 75!
MrG taught hunter education for over 30 years and I can guarantee you he would have never passed some of the people I have been reading here tonight. They don’t sound responsible to
own a gun. Before the dementia set in, he was getting very upset with the NRA and their compulsion to sell guns to everyone. It was asking for trouble!
When the NRA started it was all about safety. They started gun safety classes and being qualified to be an owner. You respected a gun, handled it safely and kept it locked up to prevent accidents. When you put a gun in your hand, it was only made to kill. It wasn’t an ornament on your belt or over your shoulder.
Somewhere greed and macho took over reality. He would have been the most outspoken person to what has taken place in recent years! The NRA rewarded him with a lifetime membership years ago for his dedication to hunter education. He never tolerated nonsense when it came to gun ownership. Accidental hunting deaths went from 20 -30 per year, down to 0-2 after hunter education was required to get a hunting license. He was 100% behind background checks for ownership. Too many crazy people out there that should never own a gun.
He was a highly educated Aerospace and Electrical Engineer and the top System Analyst at Lockheed – a real rocket scientist.
He had no tolerance for stupidity in space or on the range. Gun ownership was a privilege for those who knew what they were doing.
neworleans878 December 28th, 2014 at 4:49 am
real gentlemen like your husband are rare these days. te saludo.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
I needed that laugh.
mrsgunka December 28th, 2014 at 1:03 am
So did we! It’s been a very frustrating night for you. You did good!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 5:28 am
I was pretty sure my frustration was starting to show. LOL.
strangeknight1 December 27th, 2014 at 11:08 pm
Ummm… Judging by the land slide elections, it is very evident that the Pro Second Amendment Community is large and strong. And from what I read MDA has encourage calling in false man with a gun reports, like the guy did at the Beavercreek Walmart. Talked about killing anyone with guns. Tried to encourage kids to get thier hands on thier parents guns and bring them to schools. So far anti gun groups have shown the type of hostility that causes one to want to carry a gun. And for those that say the NRA does not matter….again, look at how this last election turned out.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 27th, 2014 at 11:10 pm
“From what I read” – which means, “I read on Drudge …” And are you under the completely deluded impression that the election results are some sort of affirmation of the NRA??? Really???
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:29 am
It’s more an affirmation of how insignificant the MDA push was to make gun control an issue. Luckily they got the background check law to hang their hat on. And that isn’t significant because most people won’t bother to follow it.
Carla Akins December 27th, 2014 at 11:11 pm
No they have not encouraged false reportings, they did not encourage kids to take guns out of their homes (how hard is it to understand a 30 second commercial)
The last election has nothing to do with the NRA, as I recall Washington passed gun legislation.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:12 pm
Well he just said they do, and I bet he heard it on the radio. And like witness 40, people on the radio never lie.
Aaron Poche December 28th, 2014 at 12:05 am
Yes they did. It’s still on YouTube.
Recent surveys have shown Americans think protecting rights is more important than banning things.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:11 pm
Are you seriously afraid of being “attacked” by someone who is not carrying a gun?
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:47 am
Do you know how many people get beat with bats during robberies? A lot. Firearms used by trained people are equalizers.
tiredoftea December 27th, 2014 at 11:17 pm
As long as they have voters like you.
bruno December 27th, 2014 at 11:48 pm
lol made a couple simple post, polite, without putting any oil on fire. all got deleted and im blocked. thank you to moms demand action.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:42 am
Welcome to the club.
meadmkr December 27th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
Amazing that YouTube hasn’t taken down the so-called PSA from Rejina Sincic even though it encourages minors to commit multiple felonies and puts teachers and others at risk. This is the epitome of stupidity as well as the venom that law-abiding citizens face from those that wish to control other’s lives.
bobrobertson December 27th, 2014 at 11:55 pm
Now you hate free speech.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:05 am
Nice try bobby, but since you brought up limiting a right I’ll say shouldn’t we limit said speech that leads to breaking laws or possibly misuse of a tool ? After all the “PSA” ENCOURAGES impressionable youth to steal from their parents and break multiple laws.
A person should be responsible and held accountable for their words and deeds.
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:08 am
what PSA are you talking about?
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:10 am
Search youtube for Rejina Sincic.
Even the school where the video was shot has disavowed the video. I suspect that they did so to minimize any possible legal action if a minor takes Rejina’s “advice”.
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:14 am
Says it’s “private”. Maybe you have a link?
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:15 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIa4NkQXm8Y
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:18 am
To most people this is a lock your guns up message. I mean, how does this encourage gun violence?
You are reaching.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:26 am
Taking a firearm from the parent’s room, out of the house, to school and giving it to a teacher ?
NO checks to see if it is loaded.
How fast would the school be on lockdown and worse yet how many firearms would be aimed that that child as they are taken into custody.
We teach OUR children to NOT handle a firearm except under adult supervision and to observe all of the rules of gun safety. If they were every to find an unsecured gun they go to get an adult and NOT touch it.
Telling a kid to take a potentially loaded firearm to school is the epitome of stupidity and irresponsibility.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:18 am
No it does nothing of the sort. Firstly it shows a competely irrational fear of guns. And secondly it makes it seem ok to steal a gun and bring it to school. Guns were always locked at my house growing up, but I always knew where the key was. I respected all guns and never even pointed cap guns at other kids, just imaginary bad guys. And when I grew up, we didn’t have school shootings like we do today. I don’t rememebr there was even a consideration of being afraid of guns. Maybe a nuclear bomb, but not a gun. What changed? More abnormal people being allowed to live freely in society while drugged up instead of institutionalized. That’s one thing I see. Crime and gangs have always been around, but gangs usually kill each other which is still mostly the case. Theres also the “me” generation that have a serious entitlement issue. If they can have exactly what they want they have a fit of anger and kill. They were never taught to cope. We had bullies when I grew up, we didn’t kill them. We either fought them back, ignored them as best we could, or took the bullying and shut out mouth. There was no option to kill someone.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:39 am
Not surprised that you didn’t understand the point of this PSA. You don’t strike me as a very thoughtful fellow.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:42 am
Jasper – remember that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
You seeming know little about firearm safety or law enforcement. Looking at it from a real-world perspective you come up with a different view of the misguided PSA.
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:45 am
Sure this PSA tells kids to commit several felonies. Very irresponsible of the person who made it. Gun Control advocates even said it was a shitty move.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:07 am
The psa showed a student taking a gun to a school. Am I missing the point? That he committed a felony? That some kid somewhere would watch this and think this was a good idea? The point is that if kids can get hurt mimicking watching tv shows like jackass, they can definitely mimick this.
Aaron Poche December 28th, 2014 at 12:02 am
Anyone that’s ever questioned anything on the moms demand action social media pages knows they immediately block/ban any dissenting viewpoint.
bruno December 28th, 2014 at 12:02 am
yup just got one hahaha
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:04 am
Ever notice that when both Bloomberg and Watts go out in public they are surrounded by armed guards? But they both seemingly, by their words and actions, don’t want the peons to be able to defend themselves.
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:06 am
A lot of R/W wackos out there want to kill people they disagree with.
Ask the Secret Service.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:08 am
Exactly how many attempts on their life were made?
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 12:11 am
YES! They should wait until AFTER an attempt is made because that always works out well.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 am
So the average citizen should also be able to carry a means to defend themselves, especially if they don’t have the financial means to hire bodyguards right?
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:15 am
Who wants to kill you?
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:18 am
Both of the would-be muggers that tried it. One got a face full of pepper spray and the other one wet themselves when I drew my duty-weapon on them.
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:43 am
Um lets see how many criminals mugged, robbed, raped, and tried to murder someone in the last hour?
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 12:24 am
It.s because the “average” citizen can carry a gun that they must take precautions. Are you saying that they should not be allowed to protect themselves while the average citizen should be able to?
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 am
They don’t release that info, but more threats are made against Obama than any other president. How many fence jumpers have there been?
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 am
Source?
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:15 am
News.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 12:09 am
You noticed that prominent officials have security. Very astute observation!
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:14 am
Is it not hypocritical to have firearms protecting themselves but they would prevent the average citizen from the same opportunity?
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 12:23 am
Who is “taking your guns away?” What legislation was passed that does so? What legislation is currently under consideration that would do so? If there is any, what chance does that legislation have of passing and being ruled constitutional?
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:31 am
Look at CA/CT/MD’s “approved” gun list as an example of “gun control” run amok.
Firearms that were legal to own are now prohibited in these states at the whim of some bureaucrat. Allowing the federal government the same level of power is unwise and insane.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:03 am
The approved handgun list in California isnt unwise or insane. There was a gun I was going to buy with aluminum grips and I was prevented from buying it and instead had to buy the same gun with the wood grips. I was lucky that the list kept me from buying the unsafe aluminum grip gun. I could have cut my hand and got a very bad infection!
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:42 am
Why is it that rich liberals who want guns out of the hands of the peasants are able to pay for ARMED body guards?
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 1:57 am
I’m guessing because they are rich. Whose guns have they taken away? Be specific.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:04 am
Uh ? Dumb analogy. Geez.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 1:58 am
The assault weapons ban that lasted 10 years. It prevented people from buying any, and that’s as good as “taking them away”. Diane Fienstein just tried to pass another ban not that long ago. She failed but she tried. See the reason gun owners support the NRA is that we know that if there wasn’t an NRA, we pretty much have a complete gun ban. If no one was there to stop some politicians, gun owners would be sunk. The Brady campaign pushed hard in the 1980s for a handgun ban. This was before heller and McDonald obviously but they were already trying. I’m sure if there was no NRA most people would have no guns. Of course criminals would still have some of the ones floating around.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 2:03 am
So, no-one is taking anyone’s guns away.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 2:23 am
No, with the NRA and other gun rights groups fighting for us, guns will not be taken away.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 2:33 am
Then why all the hysteria?
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 3:11 am
There’s no hysteria. I came here wondering why Shannon Watts was surprised the NRA blocked her when she’s pretty much blocked anyone who ever made a comment that was remotely pro gun rights.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 3:25 am
I was referring to the right-wing hysteria about people coming to take their guns when no-one is.
As to her blocking people, I can only assume that it’s her site and she can do what she wants.
Jay Cee December 28th, 2014 at 3:40 am
Yeah she can block away, and so can the NRA. But if she thinks it’s because of fear they’re blocking, they are mistaken. Well maybe the fear of being nagged. Sort of like they kept nagging businesses until they get their way. They seem more like the bullies sometimes.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 3:50 am
I have to be completely honest and admit that I didn’t read the article. But, I guess that we could agree that it’s a contentious issue and both sides employ questionable tactics. Which, I guess, is part of the problem. Every issue gets divided into “sides” and both seem determined to win at any cost.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:05 am
Meadmrk, poor analogy. Yes, there are folks supporting tougher gun control laws such as Background checks. Those views are not mutually exclusive from having security guards. Grow-up.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:04 am
Meadmrk, poor analogy.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:11 am
You could stop by and say hello you know….we don’t bite
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 4:26 am
I would like to do that. Thanks!
But, the problem is, you have gone private and I used to follow you there. I did have it bookmarked but lost all my bookmarks when Linux decided, against my wishes, to erase everything before installing itself. If you feel comfortable giving me the link, I will bookmark it again. If you do post it, I will let you know that I have it and you can then edit it out.
Hope you had a nice Christmas!
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:31 am
You were at Season’s Greetings to all/ marliesplace. you even / which is why I know you know the site…
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 4:45 am
I must have followed someone there and didn’t notice where I was. I just follow people now and join in and/or upvote comments. Since the demise of HP, I haven’t found a place that I specifically go to comment on a regular basis. I used to go to RS but they have become somewhat HP-like lately..
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:47 am
banned me
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 4:56 am
RS did? That’s one of the reasons I don’t post there much and why I made the HP reference. They banned a lot of good people.
In asking them why, I was told that they can ban people simply for criticizing
the articles. I couldn’t believe that but, apparently, it’s in their TOS.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 5:10 am
New Old Gnu said to say hello…and to tell you this is his home…
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Thanks!
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 6:08 am
allison 1050 is here too
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Gina from Rio too
Tanz December 28th, 2014 at 6:04 pm
Good points, Dave!
That *still* doesn’t explain why RS banned my husband’s IP (my husband and I have different ISP’s) when he never criticized them once. They’re creepy at RS.
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Someone, I can’t remember who, told me that they had been banned from a site that they had never even visited. So maybe both cases were some sort of a glitch?
I have very mixed feelings about RS. Ironically, right after I decided that I should spend more time there, they changed the format to a more tabloid style and banned some people for no good reasons. I went to bat for A2P and contacted the main moderator there. Although she was very polite and maybe somewhat understanding, she just couldn’t seem to admit that he had been banned unfairly, much less, reinstate him. Although, to be fair, she said that he would have to contact them directly before they would consider reinstating him which I can understand. A2P, understandably, wasn’t willing to do that.
RS, to me, has become too much like HP for my tastes. Too many “controversial” headlines and stories seemingly designed only to get clicks. But, like the old HP, there are still some good people posting there so I check in, maybe read and/or comment on a story of two, and see what everyone is saying.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:33 am
http://www.marliesplace.com/?page_id=2476
MagnaDave★★ December 28th, 2014 at 4:41 am
Thanks! Got it! I’m heading out but I will stop there soon. Take care, rg and thanks for inviting me. Say hi to Monsta for me!
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:48 am
Lally will be so happy…only two other regular guys there
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 5:11 am
Fear no trolls…I’m a mod here too
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:01 am
Meadmrk, poor analogy. Bloomberg and Watts are supporting tougher gun control laws such as Background checks. Those views are not mutually exclusive from having security guards. Grow-up.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 9:26 am
I bet they all passed background checks. I wonder how many of the trolls here today posting would fail? Maybe that is why they are against background checks, they are mentally unstable and they know it.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:58 am
BINGO!! The real reason they don’t want BG checks is because there is something about them, that would disqualify them from buying a gun….
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:41 am
Sadly that has become the common theme for most Liberals. Our party has been hijacked and they don’t even know it.
Fenix Izgawd December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 am
Matt W. You are a retard, the NRA is relevant, and with the help of the NRA this election (2014) we wiped the MDA and all the Democrats ass up from a major beat down. Most of America does not want background checks and common sense laws, Because these laws are lies, and ways to track and a check list for gun grabbers to know whom to go after, if they ever try to over turn the Second Amendment! They will be taking my guns only out of my cold dead hands! People like you and the MDA are sick in the head, and need to be removed from MY country! This is a country that build on the blood of people that laid down their lives to keep it free and to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. Pansies like you and the MDA need to realize they are fighting an uphill battle, just a couple of weeks ago people disobeyed that stupid I594 law, and this is just the start these laws are not legal, because the 2nd Amendment trumps all other laws! deal with it or leave this country! Long Live the NRA!!!!
bobrobertson December 28th, 2014 at 12:20 am
Definitely sane.
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 12:57 am
You are an idiot.
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:40 am
Oh I see another instance of being intolerant to the views of others. Shame on you for not standing with your values of tolerance for all.
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 1:55 am
If I were intolerant, I would have bounced his idiotic remark rather than replied to it.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 9:24 am
You should have been intolerant. It is OK to be intolerant of trolls, they’re not human.
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 10:46 am
Yeah, but they’re fun to poke at.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:16 am
As long as you’re having fun …
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 3:22 am
Fenix Izgawd wants to deport anyone who doesn’t agree with him, and you’re accusing tiredoftea of intolerance?
With you fascists, anyone who disagrees with your disgusting views is somehow “intolerant”, as if we’re obliged to tolerate ignorance and stupidity.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 7:57 am
Watch your tone here please. You come to Liberaland with the name “Intolerant Liberal,” a site where we allow you to voice opposing views. And you’re acting like a jerk to our readers. I realize that you’re an angry little feller because Obummer might grab your guns any second, but back off and stop trolling.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 1:55 am
Fenix, uh, you are wrong. In Washington State, the NRA put forth millions of dollars to defeat a proposed initiative that would put forth tougher gun laws such as mandatory background checks on private gun sales. The pro gun control law won overwhelmingly and the NRA got their ass kicked. Also, CA same thing. Your ‘spin’ on who is winning is just fatuous statements. Moreover, NRA fought very hard to Defeat Vivek Murthy as Obama’s Surgeon General be he won his nomination. Keep drinking that NRA marketing Kool-Aid and calling folks ‘commies’ or ‘pansies’ who support tougher gun laws but that is NOT working too well for the NRA.
Fenix Izgawd December 28th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
California is becoming a shale issues state! People in Washington State, have been misinformed and lied to with that bill (I594) and it will not stand the test of time. As for the loses this last election, there were more in the win column then the loss column. Bloomberg wasted a lot of money and didn’t get as much as he was hoping for! But I am sure you will bring some lame made up numbers like those uptight bitches in MDA!
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Fenix, continue the mis-information that the NRA is so known for. The fact of the matter is that the NRA marketing machine tried everything they could, everything, and even supported another Initiative in order to confuse the voters but they failed big time. Other states are now looking at Washington state as a model state for tougher gun control laws. You really need to read the article from the Wall Street Journal about 3 weeks back because they are a conservative outfit and even they wrote that the NRA lost some important political issues this time around. And, the latest lost by the NRA to try and block President Obama’s nominee for the USA Surgeon General blew-up in their face. Keep drinking that NRA Kool-Aid because I fully understand it makes your unstable self feel safe. LOL
Fenix Izgawd January 2nd, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Now who has drank the Kool-Aid!? You believe mainstream media and not the winds of truth around you. Maybe because you live in a state where the people have also drank the Kool-Aid! Californian is waking up then in time your pitiful state will too!
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:10 am
moron
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:54 am
‘YAWN’
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
why the heck can’t I down vote people, reminds me of facebook
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
You can downvote, you just can’t see it. It does calculate when you sort the comments by “Best”. There is a lot of discussion on Disqus about bringing viewable downvote.
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 12:30 am
Hi. Rob from Canada here, just wanted to pop in and let you all know that we Canadians are appalled and mortified by this bigot, “shannon watts”. What a distasteful hate monger, I dont know how you put up with that sort of nonsense. Good for you for blocking out this horrible, irredeemable, worthless lump of trash. Its good to see people standing up to bullies like her.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:34 am
You don’t speak for all Canadians, so don’t pretend that you do.
Canadians favor gun control by wide margins.
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 12:37 am
Canadians favor freedom from oppressive bigots far more.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:38 am
So when and where are you moving? ;o)
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:37 am
So why did they dump the long gun registry ?
Oh that’s right, 1) it did zero to deter crime and 2) was millions over budget.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:40 am
Politics.
Doesn’t make it right.
meadmkr December 28th, 2014 at 12:43 am
see point 1) and then read it again…
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 1:03 am
Educate yourself, sycophant.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?lpekoeub268b8af
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 12:42 am
Never mind that we have a conservative majority federal government with over 65% of the house seats held by pro-rights MP’s. Even our liberal’s put forth pro-gun legislation that would make these simpering idiots loose their minds.
SoTiredOfPolitics December 28th, 2014 at 12:45 am
“bigot”??
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 12:50 am
It’s called “projection” in psychology.
Little Bobby here accuses others of the sins that he’s guilty of.
Pathetic case.
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 1:00 am
I can produce a cornucopia of relevant examples that prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt that shannon watts and her supporters are bigots, no different then the pro-segregation degenerates who preceded them, you on the other hand, can produce nothing.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 1:48 am
Robert Gerhardt, prove it ! How am I a bigot ? Waiting….
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:31 pm
you ate all the donuts with red white and blue guns and sneered at the donuts without any guns. bigot
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Still waiting for a factual response …..
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:20 am
source? You certainly have to upvote yourself don’t cha? ;o) if not who would?;o))
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:50 am
Thanks to race baiters, criminals can whip out the victim card instead of taking responsibility for the fact they break the law and infringe upon the rights of law abiding citizens.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:30 am
When was the last time anyone infringed on your rights?
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 12:59 am
Yes, someone who bases their interpretations and reactions to others solely on preconceived notions with no link to quantifiable fact – Bigot
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 1:47 am
Robert Gerhardt, that describes you to a ‘t’.
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 12:55 am
Ohhhh, you’re Rob the crack addict, got it.
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 1:01 am
cinnamon bun addict maybe…
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 1:46 am
Robert Gerhardt, the NRA is a marketing machine with the only objective is to help the gun industry sell more guns for bigger profits. Your comments above are just stupid.
Wayne Morgan December 28th, 2014 at 2:13 am
You should learn the history of the NRA
http://www.politisite.com/2013/03/19/black-conservatives-discuss-how-the-nra-was-created-to-protect-freed-slaves-from-the-kkk-youtube/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9RABZq5IoaQ
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:31 am
Oh, I fully understand the history of the NRA. I also know 30 years ago they supported mandatory background checks but now oppose those laws. To me, the NRA leadership are a bunch of cowards and the tide is turning against the organization. They spent millions to defeat Initiative 594 in Washington State and got their #ss handed to them. It passed by a large margin. Other states are now taking up the same legislation to support gun control laws.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 7:52 am
Hey, if I call your wife a “c*nt* is that OK with you? Because you’re supporting other people calling this woman vile names.
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
this is a good shot, nice aim
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
hahaha, see what I did there ‘shot’. god im funny.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:27 am
‘We Canadians”? Really?
Did you get bullied by her?…. you poor poor little man.
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
haha, I highly doubt the truth in any of his words. give him a swirly please.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
You shouldn’t “up-vote” yourself so often… it could cause blindness… or grow hair on your palm..
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
bobby just got a wedgie for lying
how come I can’t down vote little bobby?
he hacked your board, disallowing down votes on his comment
ip banned for life if you hack, then I call on the red queen if you do it again.
IntolerantLiberal December 28th, 2014 at 1:53 am
I find it absolutely appalling that “americans” who call for the tolerance of others have no tolerance for those who do not share their opinions. Prime example of fascism if their ever was one.
jasperjava December 28th, 2014 at 3:44 am
That describes the right-wingers here who want to see liberals deported, or wish death on those who disagree with them. (see comment by dirtybluefl above).
It’s the Right who traffic in death threats. Fascism is (and always has been) a right-wing phenomenon.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
I admin a page where we do nothing but collect threats of violence and wishing for the deaths of our children from anti-gun zealots.
Sadly neither side of this debate has a monopoly on insanity.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 6:44 am
Did you have to create that new account after being banned earlier this evening or were you just tired of posting under the TFHC avatar?
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:13 am
“americans” should have read “Americans” and have you taken the time to use the dictionary to discover the definition of the word “fascism”?
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:18 am
You’re operating under two accounts. That’s not allowed.
Have a nice New Year though…
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:30 am
snap!
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:22 am
🙂
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:09 am
NRA just got their ass kicked in Washington state on trying to defeat a gun control initiative. Other states are now looking to copy the legislation from Washington State.
“In the only state where a gun issue was directly on a ballot this week, Washington residents passed Initiative 594, the measure that will require criminal background checks on all firearms sales and transfers in the state, including at gun shows and on the Internet. The proposal, more commonly referred to as “I-594,” gained 60% of voter support, according to the NBC News Election Unit.”
Scar December 28th, 2014 at 8:31 am
The wording of the bill says “anything that uses gunpowder”
Which means things like the flare guns people have on their boats, and certain construction equipment, like concrete nail guns. Both of those will now require background checks before they can be bought, or given to someone else, lest they become criminals in the eye of that law.
Corey Yates December 28th, 2014 at 8:37 am
you poor baby
Scar December 28th, 2014 at 8:42 am
I don’t live in Washington, my state just passed a bill to allow suppressors while hunting, but those that do live there are now faced with this.
I just hope places like Lowe’s and Home Depot and the coastal marinas have FFLs on hand to run those background checks on those items I mentioned.
Corey Yates December 28th, 2014 at 8:43 am
I am sorry did you say something to me, like I value your opinion?
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 10:21 am
If you don’t live in that state, why are you so FREAKED out?
I’m sure the people that have a need for “nail-guns” or “flare guns” will manage, without much difficulties… hopefully now you can get some sleep…
Scar December 28th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Who said I was freaked out? It’s mostly unenforceable anyways, many county sheriffs have said they won’t enforce the new law.
I’m sure the average boater and construction worker will manage just fine, too, when they realize they need to fill out a form 4473 to buy/transfer those items before they take the family out on the lake or ocean or go build a new building.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 11:29 am
Good ! The NRA marketing machine tried your ‘spin’ on this and it did not work. That being said, the NRA’s brand has been hurt a lot and they are losing on issues now. They recently fought hard against the newly appointed U.S. Surgeon General of the United States and they lost on that one too. There extreme views have lost credibility for many Americans.
whatthe46 December 28th, 2014 at 3:42 am
apparently you seem to not understand you have mental issues. and you own a gun. paranoid lunatic.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:08 am
Penis substitute.. probably has a pickup too.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:07 am
Moron
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 4:10 am
Like teabaggers the NRA slime and filth settles to the bottom of the barrel..
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
You do know that TEA in the Tea party is, Taxed enough already right? Why get mad at people who are tired of the feds taxing the shit out of them?
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
sorry, you’re way off topic, sarah
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:36 am
So this sort of vicious name calling and nastiness is completely permissible, but polite debate from those who disagree is not.
Roger that.
(moved this post to the appropriate comment)
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am
I’m going to go with yes, I agree with the sentiment and this is Liberal Land but mostly because it’s not directed at an indiviual – you recognize the difference, right?
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:54 am
Absolutely. So making nasty comments about anti-gunners is fine as long as it is all encompassing? Or are only those who rabidly slant liberal (or agree with you as an admin) allowed to denigrate and insult?
I support gay marriage and drug decriminalization. Does that mean I get to make disgusting comments now?
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
The comment is far from disgusting – try reading the tweets Ms Watts received. If you don’t like it here, you are free to go to a more gun-friendly site
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
If you don’t like your hypocrisy and lack of integrity exposed then block me or ban me. Maybe banning someone who is dragging your nonsense into the light will cause you to later reflect on why you felt it necessary to stifle someone who is being courteous and polite, and only asking for some measured moderation instead of selective based on partisanship.
Don’t look now, but your status as an ideologue is showing.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
Kiss my ass. *edit
Sorry, kiss my ass you self righteous buffoon.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
Your self righteous zealotry is more than showing, it is over bearing.
rg9rts December 28th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Get a life Mark and move to the appropriate forum
Robert Gerhardt December 28th, 2014 at 4:28 am
Anyone want to hear about the REAL “shannon watts”?
http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/06/05/moms-demand-action-shannon-watts-the-plastic-gardener/
neworleans878 December 28th, 2014 at 5:10 am
I’ll concede to her hypocrisy if your concede to this larger hypocrisy:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/there-is-some-irony-nra-built-huge-gun-owner-database-without-members-consent/
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
thank you for asking, I couldn’t give a good god darn about what you think the ‘real’ Shannon is….
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 6:36 am
MDA has blocked pro 2nd amendment folks, including me, for quite some time now from Facebook comments, etc.. Shannon Troughton “Watts”, is a fraud. She’s a high powered public relations professional who uses a pseudonym to con her constituents. A far cry from the “stay at home mom” she purports to be to her bleating followers.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:07 am
Umm, now connect the dots to the article sweet thing.
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 10:36 am
Ummm…. the article starts with the NRA blocking Trautman from their Twitter feed. My comment starts with 2nd amendment supporters being blocked from her feed, facebook page, etc. If you need me to explain it further to you, just let me know, honey.
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
crucible arms is a saltine cracker that has no salt and has turned to crumbs. hahaha, points and laughs as he brushes the crumbs away.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:27 am
Well maybe you’re too old to realize that millions of people work from home now days….insert eye roll here okay old man.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:31 am
Yeah, thanks for that. I work from home at my computer.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:35 am
Back in my day if I could have I would have but couldn’t figure out how to do that nursing stuff home home.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:43 am
The grass is always greener on the other side. Sometimes I wish I worked at a regular jerb.
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 10:42 am
Big difference between working from home and being a “stay at home mom”. The persona she projects is a homemaker that woke up one morning enraged by Sandy Hook. In fact, she’s a high powered PR executive bought and paid for by Bloomberg.
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
so you keep saying without siting references, buddy. the NRA has bought half of congress and all of your angels
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
You do know that a mother can also work at home, RIGHT?
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 10:40 am
She portrays herself as a stay at home mom. In reality she was a high powered PR executive with WellPoint Health, GE Healthcare, and even evil chemical giant Monsanto. This is no average ordinary mother of five who just coincidentally freaked out over the Sandy Hook shootings.
Um Cara December 28th, 2014 at 10:54 am
This is no average ordinary mother of five who just coincidentally freaked out over the Sandy Hook shootings.
I’m not sure why a mother who is/has been a successful professional is a ‘fraud’ for then working on gun control stuff. You seem more articulate and more capable of writing coherent sentences than most of the folks who have hopped over to the site for this thread.
Could you explain why any of that matters and why it merits more attention from you than the horrible abuse she has received?
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 11:06 am
She positions herself as a stay at home mom to garner support. She’s being disingenuous and manipulative. As a Public Relations professional, she understands that being “just a mommy” sells with her target audience. It’s manufactured. She’s bought and paid for by the Bloomberg campaign. As for her being “horribly abused”, it’s nothing in comparison to the abuses she wants heaped on law abiding citizens acting within their rights. She’s not against illegal guns, she’s against all guns. There’s a huge difference.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am
“She’s bought and paid for by the Bloomberg campaign”
And you know this because?
Old Jarhead December 28th, 2014 at 11:15 am
http://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-spend-more-than-50-million-on-gun-control-group-2014-4
The Bloomberg MAIG and the Moms Demand Action formed the group Everytown. Before the merger, MDA finances were at best minimal.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:18 am
It is not hidden. Bloomberg’s Everytown finances MDA.
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 11:21 am
Do your homework. “And this week, Bloomberg and Watts announced a new organization, Everytown for Gun Safety, and a $50 million plan to hold anti-safety politicians accountable in this year’s elections… with far greater investments possible down the line.” Bloomberg is financing Troughton “Watts”.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:50 am
After – Bloomberg donated to her cause after she began the group and as she started to get a following. The same as any activist. And she is a stay at home, she doesn’t hold a job outside the home – particularly before she started MDA – how would you like for her to refer to herself?
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
you’re terrible at homework, crutch. and you just received a wedgie and a swirlie for lying twice.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:36 am
So if she is now a stay at home mom, you want her to say she is not? Why would you want that, so you can then call her a liar? You have an agenda also and your disingenuousness is duly noted.
Um Cara December 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am
As a Public Relations professional, she understands that being “just a mommy” sells with her target audience. It’s manufactured.
I’ve had the pleasure to work with some amazing women who achieved great success. Many of them were mothers. A couple worked from home.
It never would have entered my head to consider them ‘frauds’ for being mothers & working from home. I’m not aware of any specific ‘stay at home mom’ criteria that caps a woman’s professional success level in order for her to claim the title. But it’s not something I have ever thought about one way or the other – so perhaps I missed it.
Could you point me to the source you are using for your personal definition of ‘stay at home mom’?
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 11:59 am
ok crutch, stop lying. liars deserve wedgies and swirlies. unless they torture people, than it’s off with their head.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 10:55 am
Yeah I agree, everyone should be more callous about the massacre of 20 kids and 6 adults in 5 minutes.
Did you hear about the lawsuit? I still don’t understand the legal theory that it navigates to avoid liability exemption Bush signed into law in 2005.
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 11:05 am
The conversation isn’t about Sandy Hook, it’s about Shannon “Watts” Troughton. You do what she does, try and change the subject rather than dealing with the facts of the matter at hand, her identity and deception. Nice try.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 11:08 am
I can read. “.. mother of five who just coincidentally freaked out over the Sandy Hook shootings.”
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am
Actually, this post is about the horrific replies she received on social media after her tweet – but don’t strain yourself.
Crucible Arms December 28th, 2014 at 11:16 am
The article is about Twitter, this conversation is about Shannon “Watts” Troughton. But you didn’t “strain yourself” by taking the time to understand the context of the thread now did you? It’s easier to, once again, try and change the subject.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:30 am
Trust me, it’s no strain.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 11:22 am
I think Crucible Arms is having his own private conversation in his head then forgetting what he said.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Why are you being so rude and insulting to people?
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:29 am
Really? This is what you call insulting? What about the things they called and said to Shannon? That’s okay with you?
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
STOP IT with your self righteousness!!
I may get deleted but here it goes… OH.. Never mind, it’s not worth it
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Further bad news for ya hon, a person can be a stay at home mom/father AND and work from home..my mother worked and at times was a stay at home mom, what I don’t understand is why that’s so difficult for you to accept. I bet you’re like most, that you’ve never ever even read the 2nd Amendment (notice the capital A) in its entirety. Read it and come back and we’ll talk about what you’ve gotten from it, try using Google to begin your research.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:24 am
Ok. People are getting banned on here for being a troll and then here you are being insulting to this man for choosing to comment on the subject. Very rude indeed.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am
If you don’t like the way things are here, you are free to leave at any time.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:35 am
Just to be clear, are the “way things are here” to mean vicious personal attacks by ideologues are completely acceptable…as long as they match the ideology of the page?
I just want to be sure I understand.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am
What was vicious? Did you mean sarcastic instead possibly? Lighten up why don’t cha Mark you’ll last longer okay.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Do you find:
“Like teabaggers the NRA slime and filth settles to the bottom of the barrel.”
or the various allusions to sexuality, penis size and socio-economic status to be in good fun?
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am
But, but Mark have you read the other commnts? Just wondering.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Oh yes. I have been in this debate for years now, and have seen some extraordinarily disgusting behavior from both sides. It doesn’t surprise me anymore. What does continue to surprise (and amaze) me every day however, is how blindly partisan so many are, and how they manufacture outrage at things individuals ideologically opposed to them do, while ignoring the same behavior from those similarly inclined in their beliefs.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am
Allow me to ask this of you Mark, how would you feel about being referred to as “bleating followers”? By the way, gunz are a penis extension for too many so called men who feel that they have to define themselves with the number of gunz, cars, motorcycles they own and therefore think of themselves as inadequate in that department but sadly continue to define themselves in this unfortunate way.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
See? You just did it. It appears that far too many of you are unable to carry on this conversation without it devolving into ridiculous name calling and childish mud-slinging.
Read my comments. Find the insults. You will be looking for a while I promise.
As far as your question about the “bleating followers,” I would dismiss it (and the person making the comment) as too lost in partisan intransigence to communicate with effectively. I have had anti-gun activists tell me that they hoped my kids got shot. How does that sound to you? How would you feel about that? That doesn’t mean that I believe that all of you feel that way. It was just a comment by an obviously disturbed and angry person who I dismissed as such.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Since you of course know nothing of my education or work history Mark then let’s just stop for a quick sec and give it (the part about “See? You just did it”) stuff just a bit of thought then…..
Source your claim of anti-gun activists telling you that crap about your kids then I’ll believe you Mark if not then you’re just making a statement that’s not really believable.
Before I let you go do you realize that we’ve had what’s commonly referred to as a conversation? Just thought I’d point that tidbit out as 1 of the “far too many of you” people. I’ve been reading since age 4 and you stand out like a sore thumb Mark. And Dismissed! lol ;o)
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am
Thank you mea.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:36 am
Sarah, maybe you’re too young to realize that quite a few people commenting are of a more shall I say “mature” age than possibly you? If I know that people are working from home surely Crucible does so I’m wondering why you don’t know and why you would take pretend offense? A couple of mods had no issue with it. ;o)) Thanks anyway Sarah and have a Happy New Year.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:39 am
I’m 37 and a veteran of the US Army. I’ve been around the world and have seen things you could only imagine. Drop your condescending tone please.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 11:45 am
I’m old enough to be your mother my dear and if that’s really a photo of Crucible then he is old enough to be your dad. I don’t need your resume just like you really don’t need mine. but a lot of us have been in the military and have traveled the world also. You have no idea what I have seen through my work or volunteering young lady and believe me when I tell you that YOU can’t imagine what I have seen let alone dealt with. Don’t ever think that you can lecture me Sarah ’cause it’s not going to work alright? As long as you understand that you and I will get along just fine.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 6:40 am
Refrain from asking people to wrap their car around a tree or you will be banned. It’s clear to see why others have deleted your comments and prevented you from posting more of the same. The irony here is very sweet indeed.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 9:16 am
I don’t drive a car so I felt safe to ban him.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 9:16 am
You must be rested. 🙂
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 9:18 am
Just finishing my first cup of coffee. Went to bed last night real early around 7:30.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 9:19 am
Good for you. It appears we’ll need your reinforcement this morning.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 7:50 am
Note: We are dealing with an influx of trolls who were sent here from a Gun Humper Facebook page. Apparently, the majority are in support of calling a woman vile names.
Keep the comments clean or they will be removed. We’re all up in this thread and our readers will not be abused.
Thanks!
Matt W December 29th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
I noticed that most of these commenters were evidently spending their time posting angrily to an online news site during the going-out hours on Saturday night. So it’s sad in other ways, too.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:09 am
You upvoted yourself 3x’s? ‘k
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:14 am
He’s lonely.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:15 am
chuckles and of course you’re right. ;o)
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:17 am
That poor thang!
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:23 am
chuckles! I almost spit my coffee out you bad thang!
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:29 am
On a different note, how was your Christmas?
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:31 am
Ate, Ate ‘n then ate more and how was yours?
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:32 am
The same. Then the next day, I ate some more. It’s like I can’t stop now.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 8:33 am
What the heck, we gotta do it at least twice a year!!
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 8:44 am
I’m not sure but I *think* at some point I’m supposed to stop eating…
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 9:06 am
Bwahaha. Somebody downvoted your comment – a foodie perhaps?
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 9:07 am
According to “Intolerant Liberal” I am just like Hitler, so if he lived during the present time, I’m sure he’d get downvoted too.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am
So this sort of vicious name calling and nastiness is completely permissible, but polite debate from those who disagree is not.
Roger that.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:12 am
Huh? He’s lonely is hardly vicious name calling, and since his post has been deleted I’m not sure you have any idea what he said.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:17 am
I may have replied to the wrong comment. I was replying to rg9rts:
“Like teabaggers the NRA slime and filth settles to the bottom of the barrel..”
Any comment on that?
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
If I had written what I was thinking, that would be another matter.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
Lucky for me, I read Anomaly. 😉
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
“Lonely” is a vicious word?
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am
They’ve already block several people who do not agree with them even if they were being civil. I find it seriously narrow minded.
Tom Guy December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
nope, just the name callers. open your mind.
Lynn D. Lisk December 28th, 2014 at 8:44 am
By her logic she fears little old me for merely pointing out CDC stats that refute her narrative.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 8:56 am
Thanks to NRA lobbying, the CDC is not allowed to collect significant data on shootings. They can only use what appears in hospital reports and death certificates. And just a side note – where does it say she’s fears you or the NRA?
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:08 am
Because she claims that the NRA fears her because they blocked her, it is inferred that she fears gun rights supporters because she blocks them.
Does that make sense?
JP2012 December 28th, 2014 at 11:11 am
Sense is not required here, just emotion and regurgitation.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Is this is your explanation as to why you are here then? Just wondering.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Claim or ask? And what does that have to do with the CDC comment? Nowhere does she claim or infer that she fears the NRA or its horrible supporters – as a matter of fact I believe the follow-up tweet states “Bring it on”.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:30 am
Carla, please stop with the partisan nonsense. My comment was clearly in regards to your question:
“And just a side note – where does it say she’s fears you or the NRA?”
What does it take to become an admin here? Just a dedication to hypocrisy and deliberate obstinance? I am being civil, and yet you are refusing to discuss your own questions?
Is this sort of how you block people who you don’t agree with, but allow those you do agree with to call others “slime” or “filth?”
How do you square that with any integrity?
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am
I read this article last night but chose not to comment until I saw how the mods handled everything. People who do not agree are insulted and then banned if the person does the same. Shame.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Now that’s certainly not true Sarah, you’re still here.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Well…….
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:25 pm
smiles
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:59 am
I am trying to moderate 900 comments and reply in a civil yet concise manner. I have not blocked you or deleted any of your posts. You’ll have to excuse the curt manner but I don’t have the time. This story is about the horrific social media postings received by a woman, a mother committed to a cause for a safer world.
You and many of your like-minded friends seem to be overlooking this fact. Is this kind of attack on an individual okay with you? Because I have not once seen you decry this behavior, only cast aspersions about her intentions, honesty and financial backing. So you’ll have to forgive me if I skip the integrity question.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Then you aren’t looking Carla. I have made multiple posts, some addressed to you, specifically commenting on the nastiness of the comments. My integrity is fully intact thank you.
You however appear to be selectively enforcing board rules by using some sort of internal compass and a reliance on how closely the offender matches up with your particular belief system.
Again, you are the one that asked the question. I answered it. You appear to be ignoring it. Most likely because it doesn’t match up with your ideology.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
I may have time to reply to my own comments sometime Wednesday afternoon – he post must be vetted, I cannot review my replies nor spend time framing answer. We lean left – we want reasonable regulations on firearms so children can live. In many aspects, it’s if you’re not with us you’re against us. I don’t care what you think of me – I have many priorities what you think of my integrity is not one.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I wouldn’t worry about my opinion on your integrity either.
I would however worry about the reality of its lack.
“it’s if you’re not with us you’re against us.”
This sums up quite nicely what is wrong with politics in this country, and why your sides position on firearms has been largely relegated to a vocal, but largely inconsequential minority.
I am more than willing to discuss ideas to reduce gun violence. You are more interested in “us vs them” political theater and demonizing your supposed opposition. Integrity and ethics be damned, we have an agenda to run!
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 12:36 pm
STFU….. Now… go whine about that! You are clearly being disrespectful… Just because you didn’t use the “C” word like the rest of your group does, doesn’t mean you are being civil
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:23 am
No but the FBI crime stats can tell you how many gun related incidences ares, killing, etc.. BTW.. It has 0 deaths for the city of Newtown when the Sandy Hook incident went down.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Guess what? Guns can be bought elsewhere…ever think of that?
Like the airline employee in Atlanta, who ran a ring of gun runners to NYC, with guns bought cheaply in GA, and sold for a lot in areas with some actual gun control.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:36 am
OH and they can be 3D printed now.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
Isn’t that something and knowing that the gunnutz don’t want them sold! lol
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Which was kinda my point.
mynameisjohn December 28th, 2014 at 9:00 am
Ever think that it wasn’t the substance of your arguments that got you blocked, but maybe the fact that you wish death upon others?
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 9:14 am
That will be me, thank you very much. Oh, I don’t drive a car, I drive a truck, and you’re banned just because.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
hahaha
Pistol-Packing December 28th, 2014 at 9:25 am
to many comments to go through, But I can clearly see, I am not the only one who has been blocked by MDA, for merely suggesting something that may be opposite of the cheer leaders…
ohhhh well, time to make the coffee
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 9:31 am
Evidently not, but most of these folks make their own case for being banned. Still not an excuse for the behavior we see from adults.
Pistol-Packing December 28th, 2014 at 9:42 am
Totally being honest. Create a profile, go say just one thing positive about firearms, and see for yourself. I promise, you wont be disappointed.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:06 am
The same as I have been on sites like Breitbart, which is why I no longer try – but not the point of this post.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 10:00 am
Great post.
I had no idea the anti-common sense gun regulation crowd were so hateful toward women, nor so vulgar as to reduce women to angry insults about their genitals.
If it wasn’t so offensive, it would be hilarious.
I have to admit, I’ve never felt the contempt they have for women and their vajayjays.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 10:04 am
You mean she blocks people like you, the same way I am going to block you? Well, that is what you are supposed to do with neanderthal blockheads, block them.
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 10:08 am
Oh lookie, it’s another man calling a woman a bitch and a twat.
You’re not welcome here anymore.
William December 28th, 2014 at 10:21 am
Such true ‘Murican heroes (from the safety of their keyboards of course)
tiredoftea December 28th, 2014 at 10:24 am
Or, in large groups of like minded simpletons.
William December 28th, 2014 at 10:19 am
So let’s see if I got this. NRA sheep are attacking a woman who leads an anti gun group. yet…YET, these same folks faithfully send their membership dues to an organization whose board includes a pedophile, and convicted poacher who crapped his pants to avoid military service (Nugent), AND an airport bathroom Romeo (Larry Craig).
Then of course there’s Ollie North.
So you were expecting what?
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:20 am
I’m just curious as to why you assume that everyone that got mad at the woman is a NRA member. Maybe they are just supporters of the 2nd Amendment.
arc99 December 28th, 2014 at 11:29 am
My question then would be why do these “supporters of the 2nd Amendment” worship a draft dodging pedophile like Ted Nugent but resort to vile name-calling against a woman who is doing nothing other than exercising her 1st amendment rights.
I am a gun owner and about as liberal as it gets. I think the same canbe said about William and as gun owners we want absolutely nothing to do with the either the NRA or the vulgar firearms fetishists who resort to such language
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:31 am
Who said they worship Ted? He’s nuts.
arc99 December 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am
the complete absence of any criticism of Nugent’s past on any pro-gun board.
denial that he did in fact dodge the draft or have sex with underage girls.
his prominence in NRA sponsored shows and appearances with Republican politicians.
your denial withstanding, your opinion about Nugent is not the majority view among 2nd amendment advocacy groups
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:35 am
Clinton dodged the draft and fooled around on his wife and got some chick to blow him in the white house while he stuffed cigars in her vag. He’s well revered.
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:34 am
Yet he’s on the NRA board of directors. If by “nuts” you mean mentally unstable, then why does he have a gun, much less many guns?
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am
I cannot stand Nugent and wish the NRA would distance themselves from him.
Nothing else really to add.
As far as your question about name calling, the same happens from the anti-gun activists as well. I am the admin of a page that is literally nothing but threats of violence from anti-gun activists. However, I am intelligent enough to realize that this type of sociopathic behavior is not indicative of the typical anti-gun activist.
The same is happening here. Cherry picked comments in an attempt to demonize the subject, which is quite clearly the hypocrisy of Shannon Watts, a bought and paid for PR executive.
arc99 December 28th, 2014 at 11:35 am
and the NRA is a bought and paid for PR organization.so I fail to see how Ms Watts is doing anything differently than the NRA.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Indeed you do fail to see it.
When the NRA markets themselves as a Stay at home mommy, then you would be correct.
arc99 December 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am
I am already correct and you fail to see it but thanks for demonstrating why this liberal gun owner wants absolutely nothing to do with the NRA or its apologists.
even “reasonable” arguments like yours must rely on denigrating someone’s integrity instead of debating the issue at hand.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Whose integrity am I denigrating? Shannon Watts? Absolutely! Not only does she lack integrity, but it is easily proven, which was the point of this hashtag to begin with. However, that is being overlooked out of partisan zealotry in a need to demonize those calling her out.
If you believe that these comments demonstrate the beliefs of a typical gun rights advocate, then following that logic I am to believe that the typical anti-gun advocate wishes death on our families, because I have an entire page of those sorts of comments collected.
You are relying on manufactured outrage so that you can overlook the hypocrisy and outright disingenuous stance taken by Watts.
arc99 December 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am
“manufactured outrage”?
you mean like the paranoid fantasies of the UN confiscating guns?
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am
No. That would also be manufactured outrage.
It would also be a completely different topic, which seems to be a pretty common thread here, right along with deflection and cognitive dissonance.
You are ignoring the point of the hashtag because it demonstrates exactly how much of a disingenuous shill Shannon Watts is. The only way you can ignore it is by demonizing the people using it. The only way to demonize the people using it is to use cherry picked comments by the worst possible examples you can find and whipping up some outrage. This allows you to dismiss the entire point.
Echo chambers must be fun to live in.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 11:34 am
I am a long time gun owner also and I am against the NRA as well.
They have become lobbyist for the weapon manufactures which endangering our rights by endorsing nuts like Ted and ignoring common scene solutions.
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:37 am
Thanks Sam, I feel the same way. If the second amendment ever gets changed/repealed it won’t be because of some liberal. It will be because there is no quarter given or even dialog offered to come together and figure out a way to stop this bloodshed.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:06 am
Interesting that you completely ignore the point of the hashtag…which was that she is being hypocritical (nothing new there) by claiming to be “winning” because she was blocked…at the same time as blocking tens if not hundreds of thousands of posters on her page.
You really don’t see the irony in that?
As far as cherry picking nasty comments by nasty people…every argument has them on both sides of a debate. I am the admin of a page that is literally nothing more than threats of violence from anti-gun folks. Does that mean that anti-gun folks are violent sociopaths? Well no, of course not. Not anymore than some disgusting comments from gun rights supporters make us all misogynists.
I know logic isn’t really a valued subject in these typed of places, but maybe intellectual honesty is?
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:09 am
The NRA used to be an organization that was concerned with gun safety, and taught classes, encouraging responsible gun ownership, until the gun makers needed a big mouthpiece to encourage the sale of moar gunz, bigger gunz, all by spawning a fear of boogie men coming to take their steely rods away, and more boogie men invading their homes, etc….
Now the NRA is little more than a conveyance system to spread terror among the ill informed ammosexuals who can’t even go to the bathroom without feeling that cold steel rod attached to their person.
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William December 28th, 2014 at 11:14 am
I was a member. I used to enjoy the American Rifle magazine. When the NRA went from being a group of sportsmen to a lobby group they abandoned a lot of their ideals. I guess I’m in good company.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am
The only Bush that has a hit of integrity.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
And I wish him a speedy recovery.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
What’s up Stoney ,
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:19 am
They quite literally still do all of the above.
It seems you have allowed your partisanship to overtake your researching ability.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:23 am
Wanting sensible gun control is hardly “partisanship”, and the NRA has fought every sensible law that exists, including forbidding the CDC from gathering info on gun deaths, and here in Florida, making a LAW that forbids pediatricians from discussing the presence of weapons in the homes where small children reside.
Your blindness is duly noted regarding this very ugly organization.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:26 am
“Wanting sensible gun control is hardly “partisanship””
Correct.
However, claiming that the NRA is no longer “concerned with gun safety, and taught classes, encouraging responsible gun ownership” is hyper-partisan nonsense. They still do both of the these.
Reread your post. Seriously, take a step back and reread it. Then ask yourself if there is anything reasonable or civil about it, or if it is just a partisan rant.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
The NRA is more like a terrorist organization than any that sponsors “safety”…and you have the audacity to call anyone partisan?
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Yes. Read your posts and then read my posts. Attempt to do it with objectivity. Then ask yourself who is the partisan zealot.
I will give you a hint: it is the person referring to those with whom they disagree as “terrorists.”
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:43 am
No,I disagree with many people and organizations, but I stand by my statement that the NRA is more like a terrorist organization…they do spread fear, hatred, and terror.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 11:44 am
The NRA may not be a terrorist organization
,But they protect the rights for terrorist and criminals to purchase guns easily. Most gun shows are cash and carry with used guns and no back ground check.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
Then go their favorite websites and spread the word about sensible gun control and come back and tell us about the response you get.
JP2012 December 28th, 2014 at 11:10 am
So Monsanto Mommy tries to play the victim card against the NRA, gets called on the hypocrisy since her group bans everyone with a dissenting opinion, then plays the “war on women” victim card.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:16 am
One of the very serious symptons of acute ammosexualism is gun-arrea, and there seem to be a few here with said affliction.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:17 am
The main reason “gun humpers” are so afraid of background checks, is because they can’t answer no to the questions, like “are you addicted to drugs?” “have you ever been arrested for spousal abuse.. etc.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:18 am
The Brady Bill makes everyone go through a background check when they purchases a firearm from a dealer. It goes through the FBI Database. Have you ever bought a firearm for home protection?
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:19 am
I sure have… why do you ask?
JP2012 December 28th, 2014 at 11:20 am
Talk about hypocrisy, the advocate for more background checks has their profile settings at “private.” What are you afraid of? Are you a sexual predator, child pornographer?
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:21 am
No, but we have encountered vicious trolls who have stalked, and attempted to find our real identities…
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:27 am
You mean like JP2012?
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:28 am
There are a few here who do seem rather nasty…
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:26 am
“What are you afraid of? Are you a sexual predator, child pornographer?” Hahahaha
I guess if I was, it would have shown up on the back ground check, now wouldn’t it? I have NOTHING to fear from the authorities..
Did you have fun posting that crap? Pathetic little man
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:26 am
What does internet privacy have to so with purchasing a firearm? (I can’t wait for this answer)
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:31 am
“Are you a sexual predator,”
Funny that you mention that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Please, please tell me you found JP2012 arrest record.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Jp2012, your comments are just STUIPD. Your code words might work on a pro-NRA site but not here. Grow-up.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Why are you attacking this man?
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Are you seriously THAT stupid?
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am
OK why are you attacking me? DO you always insult people who ask legitimate questions?
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 1:37 pm
I have a question for you Sarah do you always upvote yourself?
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
21 comments in it’s history..
Wanna bet all of them are here, within the last 24 hours?…
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
uhuh no way Stoney ’cause I had scrolled over her avi hours ago. 😉
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 5:03 pm
so the bets off?….;)
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
yep 😉
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am
Really getting tired of your self-righteous indignation yet you say nothing of the horrible things said to Shannon, you’re some kind of gal.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am
I have no doubt. Most people hate having their blatant hypocrisy waved around in front of them.
The things said to Watts were disgusting. Unfortunately that is the nature of internet debate and anonymity. Would you care to see some of the death threats and wishes for violence to my children from Anti-Gun activists? Does that have any more bearing on the subject or lump them together as well? Or is it simply cherry picking nasty comments in order to demonize the whole?
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Carla Akins, amen. I noticed Sarah Bowles has stated NOTHING about the awful and rude things written to Shannon at all !
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am
He said something really dumb and now you are asking a dumb question, legitimate maybe, but dumb.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Because his code words are inflammatory and stupid. I hope I answered your question.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am
You’re done.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am
thank you.
Mark Morrison December 28th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Yet the insults from those who believe as you do remain.
Interesting. Or hypocritical. Maybe a bit of both.
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 11:42 am
Must have hit a nerve
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am
Maybe he was asking for a friend…
raincheck December 28th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
😉
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Why are there only 48 stars on your flag avatar?
Is this some sort of message?
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Actually it only has 36 stars. I wonder what alternate reality he is from?
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:20 am
If only that applied to all gun sales.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:30 am
Criminals will not go through legit means to get a gun. The guy that shot the two NYPD officers used a stolen hand gun with the serial number shaved off.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:31 am
PRIVATE gun sales go on everywhere, with no questions asked, just the right amount of cash.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:32 am
So what. That is no different that me selling you my dresser.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:34 am
If you believe that, then you are truly deluded.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am
Believe what? I”ve purchased several firearms to include AR15’s. They are really fun to shoot too. Not so much kick back like a shot gun. I’ve had to fill out MANY FBI background check forms. It asks a lot of questions regarding your background and then it is cross checked with the FBI database.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
But not the right questions, which is why the Navy Yard shooter was able to purchase his gun.
anothertoothpick December 28th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
AR15?
Isn’t that the same kind of weapon that the Lanza kid used on his mother? Shot her in the head.
On his way to slaughtering school kids.
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Because no one ever walked into a school and killed 20 kids with a dresser.
See?
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:44 am
No but a man did walk into a school and hit a girl in the head with the claw part of a hammer. Guns are not the problem. It’s the people who decided that it will be the tool they use in their destruction. Hell buddy from sandy hook could have blown the entire school up by messing with the natural gas intake to the building if it had one.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:46 am
But was he able to kill 20 of them, in under 5 minutes?
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:52 am
“No but a man did walk into a school and hit a girl in the head with the claw part of a hammer”
Really? You want to go with that as your way of diverting from the fact that a person shot 20 little kids?
Seriously?
Oh do continue.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
She can’t. I didn’t mean to ban her, my hand twitched. It was an accidental banning.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
lol
Beaugrand_RTMC December 28th, 2014 at 12:40 pm
ONE person committing a murder does not negate the THOUSANDS of murders committed with guns. What an incredibly silly thing to say. You just weakened your argument and made yourself look stupid.
mrsgunka December 28th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
More stupid!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Your dresser has the ability to commit mass killings?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Is it a six drawer or a ten drawer? It may need time to reload. LOL
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Now that made me laugh~!..
Thank you!
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
It is truly a foolish choice of weaponry. Unless IKEA has come up with automatic drawer closings … XD
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 11:32 am
Sarah, which all the more proves America needs tougher gun control laws such as Washington State just passed requiring background checks on even private gun sales.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:33 am
You can tighten the laws all day long but I’m telling you it will not matter. Not since people figured out how to 3D print weapons.
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:44 am
So you think we should do nothing? That makes no sense at all.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am
Responsible gun owners already know how to handle firearms and they also teach their children what the gun is capable of and why it is not a toy.
Mental illness played a huge role in every major shooting that happened. Probably all were on anti depressants. Have you read the side affects to those things?
anothertoothpick December 28th, 2014 at 11:55 am
There is no such thing as a “responsible” gun owner; there are only human guns owners. And any human can at times be responsible or irresponsible, careful or careless, calm or angry, sober or drunk.
To assume that there is such a thing as a human who is responsible 100 percent of the time is just a foolish myth.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Right On~!
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Too bad there are so many irresponsible gun owners out there. Guns are routinely left out while loaded where anyone can pick them up. These ‘accidents’ happen all the time.
Foundryman December 28th, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Which is why they are not “accidents”…An accident is when you fall off a ladder, it’s not an accident when your 3 year old shoots your 4 year old through the head with the gun they found….
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
So I guess when a kid accidentally falls into a pool, or drinks poison from under the sink, that’s not an accident either?
OldLefty December 28th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Get back to us when the purpose of the pool or poison is to kill many people in a very short time.
Plus, the home owner’s insurance would go up with the pool, so let’s have gun owner’s insurance and let the market sort it out.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
It’s called negligence actually. As a grown up, you are suppose to be aware of such dangers, especially ones that are considered deadly. Leaving poison under a sink would be a stupid thing to do, just like leaving a loaded weapon in reach of the same kid.
Foundryman December 28th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Well, actually, they would not be accidents either if the “responsible” adult were to leave them where a child can get to them.
Sort of like the open carry group who would call it an “accident” if they would drop or discharge a round and hit someone else in the oreo aisle….
The fact is, there are no gun accidents, no accidental shootings, no accidental deaths, each event is deliberate, since guns are designed to do only one thing. To use one of Wayne’s anecdotes, It’s certainly not the guns fault is it?
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Invalid argument. Cars, pools poison all these things are very heavily regulated and as such these numbers have dramatically dropped. On second thought, you just made my point for me.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
High Five~!
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Key words…(So I guess)…
That,s what happens when “you guess”..
William December 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am
“Mental illness played a huge role in every major shooting that happened. Probably all were on anti depressants. Have you read the side affects to those things”
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
It’s like debating with an anti-vaxxer.
Foundryman December 28th, 2014 at 12:28 pm
There are no responsible gun owners as long as they go around supporting idiots to walk around endangering others with loaded guns across their backs.
It’s impossible for you or anyone to call themselves “responsible” if they are so paranoid and scared they think they have to sleep with a gun next to them.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
“Responsible gun owners already know how to handle firearms…”
Just for shits and giggles, I googled cops son shoot self and guess what popped up?
http://myfox8.com/2014/08/06/off-duty-police-officer-accidentally-shoots-himself-3-year-old-son/
and this one
http://www.wflx.com/story/13036153/nc-toddler-accidentally-shoots-himself-with-police-officers-gun
and this one
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/04/17181047-4-year-old-son-of-michigan-sheriffs-deputy-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-himself?lite
That was just the top three and they’re all officer’s weapons. Aren’t they suppose to be responsible gun owners? Just sayin’.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am
You are obviously oblivious to the fact that other countries in the world with firm gun control do not have the kind of death and injury rate that the US has…it can be done.
Sarah Bowles December 28th, 2014 at 11:50 am
I’m not concerned about other countries. I’m concerned about what happens in my country.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:50 am
FACTS MATTER.
Obewon December 28th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
The 34% of US households owning guns commit 2/3+ of all American homicides and suicides.
Reducing gun ownership through buybacks and background checks on all guns and ammo sold saves lives by eliminating 2/3 of Homicides and suicides: “Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59%, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65% in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/
fahvel December 28th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
yours is the kind of chauvinism that will keep the world at war forever – not only dense but you, without even knowing it, may be an evil person – “don’t care”, what a horrid attitude.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
“I’m not concerned about other countries”..
This comes as no surprise.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Eyelashviper, check out some facts: https://www.facebook.com/UnbiasedAmerica/photos/a.130184327167571.1073741828.123061011213236/299579676894701/?type=1&theater
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Meaningless statistics are up over 1.5% this month over last months meaningless statistics.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I just love a meme that’s made to look like something that really isn’t and then presented as fact. Now my day is complete.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Ever see this one?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Well, there’s your problem right there in the lower left hand corner. Fox is not a channel I watch, unless it’s a clip on The Daily Show.
Foundryman December 28th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
I see what they did there….That must be why FoxNews is such s great place to get information…
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:26 am
Yes, it is a common occurrence on the Moms Demand and Everytown facebook page.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 8:35 am
I really wouldn’t know. I don’t do Facebook. Tried it, but it’s like a bog. You can get sucked down into the muck if you’re not careful.
OldLefty December 28th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
FACTS??????
Some nameless facebook page with a useless graph…
sure, sure,.
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:23 am
Yes. Anyone with 30 minutes and a program called EXCEL can easily re-create the graph for themselves.
Now instead of just foo-fooing it because it doesn’t line up with a list of cherry picked countries, we could actually learn something more interesting: Culture has a bigger impact on the crime rate than the number of firearms owned in a country.
It seems my original link only shows the image. Here’s the facebook link that also shows the authors sources for the data. http://www.facebook.com/UnbiasedAmerica/photos/a.130184327167571.1073741828.123061011213236/299579676894701/?type=1&theater
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Sarah, just wrong. Your logic is fallacious and 3rd grade … it begs the question, why have any laws at all if ‘some’ folks will break them. Again, your logic is flawed.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
And with no record of who owns what of the 300 million guns in private hands, now do you propose to determine who owned that gun in the first place? All one has to do is show up in court and say I’ve never seen that gun in my life. You can’t prove otherwise because you have no proof one ever owned it. Your court case swirls down the toilet bowl. Here is how the Washington State law works: Law Abiding Citizen A takes Law Abiding Citizen B to an FFL, pays a fee for a background check on Law Abiding Citizen B. Now, Criminal A sells a gun to Criminal B on the street, no questions asked!
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
David, your non sequitur example is embarrassing. You see no holes in your logic ? Again, let me try this again: No one is claiming that Mandatory Background checks will work 100%. No one. Your argument is specious and 3rd grade logic. We could apply your fallacious logic and then ask the question why have any laws at all. For example, based on your logic, why have speed laws because some ‘bad guys’ will speed ? Why have laws against robbing a bank because some ‘bad guys’ will do it anyway ? If you put forth your logic in a traditional Classical Logic course in College, you would receive a ‘F’ grade. Again, it’s a non sequitur you put forth and typical of the NRA minions.
btw: Background Checks on purchasing guns do work regardless of the NRA Marketing lies and the lies put forth by their gun-crazy minions.
“Since February 28, 1994, the Brady law has blocked more than 2.1 million gun purchases, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is 343 purchases blocked every day. More than one million of those attempted purchases were by felons. Another 291,000 denials were to domestic abusers. And, 118,000 gun sales to fugitives were blocked thanks to background checks
Obewon December 28th, 2014 at 11:49 am
Wrong again, The gun that killed both officers came from Arrowhead Pawn Shop, in Jonesboro, Ga. The gun nut used the weapon to shoot his girl friend in MD on Saturday preceding his murder spree.
As recently as 2010, Arrowhead was the leading out-of-state source of guns recovered by the New York Police Department in crimes. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/nyregion/tracing-the-gun-used-to-kill-2-new-york-city-police-officers.html?_r=0
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am
Sarah is fact aversive….
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:57 am
You have been caught in a lie…perhaps you should think before posting such sad and erroneous talking points.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
No, he purchased in just north of Atlanta in a pawn shop.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
No he didn’t. The pawn shop is an FFL required by federal law to perform a NICS check. The pawn shop is the last recorded sale on a Form 4473, a background check, back in 1996. (That is how the authorities know where it was last sold) He also had a prior felony committed with a stolen firearm. With his criminal record, wouldn’t it be better to ask why the POS was still walking the streets? Quit trying to absolve people of any personal responsibility for their actions. This guy was a ticking bomb, and nobody…the courts, his own family did nothing….
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
In no way was I try to absolve anyone. He clearly had a death wish along with a long criminal history. I appreciate the corrected information but dial back the accusations.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Sarah, again, your 3rd grade logic is embarrassing. Based on your logic, then why should we have any laws such as HWY speed limits if the ‘bad guys’ are just going to break them.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
The “all or nothing argument” is quite the popular straw-man argument, isn’t it? That’s not what she is saying at all.
Background checks have not been shown to stop criminals. It is popular notion that is driving the current trend to demand background checks. Heck, even the cops don’t believe they work. Nothing but another bureaucratic paperwork exercise and more revenue for the government.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Have you any data to back up your assertion that criminal background checks do not work?
Anything other than anecdotal evidence? (“cops say” doesn’t count).
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:19 am
I could show you this poll:
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/press-releases/6188461-PoliceOne-com-Releases-Survey-of-15-000-Law-Enforcement-Professionals-about-U-S-Gun-Control-Policies
Or you could just ask your local sherriff or officer on the street.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
My2bits,the troll who hides behind a fake name. Anyway, you are now simply making things up and lying. Regardless of your lies and the NRA Marketing lies, Background checks do work.
“Since February 28, 1994, the Brady law has blocked more than 2.1 million gun purchases, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is 343 purchases blocked every day. More than one million of those attempted purchases were by felons. Another 291,000 denials were to domestic abusers. And, 118,000 gun sales to fugitives were blocked thanks to background checks.”
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:17 am
And those blocked purchases are….????? Seeing as someone who was busted 20 years ago with a couple ounces of marijuana can end up on the ‘denial’ list, wouldn’t you think it a good idea to understand why?
Here in Oregon, at the begging of summer the Governor instructed the Oregon State Police (OSP) to follow up every denial. In the first 2.5 months, there were 37,600 background checks ran. Of that number, about 300 were denied. About 20% were because the purchaser had data in their file close to that of a criminal. Most of the rest were either dismissed, or a quick talk, or a citation issued (slap on the wrist). In all there were 8 arrests in total (no word on actual convictions). Yes, that works out to about 0.02% of actually “stopped” criminals. I’d think there are better uses of the police time and money in stopping criminals than this.
Mark Travers December 29th, 2014 at 12:31 am
My2Bits, stay on topic. And, as I reported above, Background checks do work.
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:35 am
LOL. apparently “Stay on topic” for you means to just nod and agree with everything you say.
Mark Travers December 29th, 2014 at 12:38 am
If that makes you feel better, than go on believing it.
FrancisMcManus December 28th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Closing the loopholes in background check law would be a good first step.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 11:56 am
I have bought several and you can walk into any gun show in Texas and many states and pay cash and walk out with any used gun you choose,
No questioned ask.
No background check,
You can then sale it for Cash to anyone if you wanted to,,
no question asked
No background check,
Unless you are a licensed dealer there is No receipt and no oversight on private sales equired
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:59 am
I live in Florida, and in most any flea market, any day of the week, guns are available for “private” sales.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
wow, !!!
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
And if you sold it across state lines, you are breaking the law already. You are breaking the law and can go to jail..
And if you sell it to a felon, you are breaking the law and can go to jail.
And if you are buying multiple firearms to turn them around for profit (to private citizens ok to have firearms, OR prohibited persons) you are breaking the law and can go to jail.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:25 pm
“And if you sold it across state lines, you are breaking the law already”..
Not True..
” And if you are buying multiple firearms to turn them around for profit
(to private citizens ok to have firearms, you are
breaking the law and can go to jail’..
This statement is also..
Not True.
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:11 am
Really? I live in Oregon. If I sold a gun to someone in ANY other state, I could not legally hand deliver it, and they could not come to my state and legally pick it up and take it back. If the ATF found out about it, I would be arrested and sent to jail.
Straw-purchasing, or operating a gun-business without an FFL will also earn a visit from the ATF and a trip to jail. I’d suggest looking up the laws at the ATF.
Sam December 28th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
Thousands do it every day with no way to trace.
how many cars are sold without registering and tidal transfers to trace if needed ?
Gun shows makes it easy for honest people to buy guns no questions ask by buying used cash and carry sales.
.Gun shows loopholes also makes it easy criminals and terrorist to buy guns with no questions ask by buying used guns cash and carry sales.
Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition?
YES
!. Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
2.Is a fugitive from justice;
3.Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
4.Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
5.Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
6.Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
7.Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;
8.Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from
harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such
intimate partner; or
9.Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
10.Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.
11.A person who is under indictment or information for a crime
punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm.
Thats the laws but Gun shows loopholes makes it possible for anyone to walk in and buy and sale used guns with no questions ask,,
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Sarah Bowles, you are using the NRA marketing talking points and you are just wrong like they are. Guns sales via private means are not covered.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
She probably is employed by a NRA marketing group ’cause she knows that she’s left out all of private sales.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
And so? It’s still illegal to sell to a prohibited person. It’s still illegal to sell or loan a firearm that will be used in a crime. Maybe if people focused on the illegal activities and the criminals instead of the people who DON”T want to commit crimes, the crime rate could continue to trend down even faster. Why is that so hard to understand?
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
So just those foolish enough to leave them loaded, lying around and unsecured. Over 100K people are denied each year – and that’s with the poorly scripted check. These are folks that shouldn’t own guns, unless you want some jackass leaving his loaded weapons around your kids.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
My2Bits’, not sure why you are using a fake name to post your comments. To me, sort of a coward thing to do. Anyway, your fallacious logic of the solution is an ‘either/or’ proposition is poor. Requiring mandatory background checks for gun buyers is supported by 94% of Americans polled in the latest Gallup poll. Republicans in this poll supported mandatory background checks by 92%. Based on your logic, there should be no laws at all !
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:08 am
LOL, so first try to attack me and call me a coward, and then call my logic fallacious? Anyway…
At no point do I take the extreme stance that we should have no laws. on the other hand, I don’t think we need laws to cover every single thing we do, or support laws that place the burden on citizens and not criminals.
Mark Travers December 29th, 2014 at 12:29 am
My2Bits, folks who hide behind a fake name, have little credibility with me and many others. Again, your statement is fatuous … your statement above could apply to all laws. Geez.
fahvel December 28th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
do you use your gun to prop against the door or do you sleep with it in your hand? Any maroon who thinks or says it’s for protection of their home is either delusional or just plain stupid.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 11:41 am
To all the trolls here attacking this woman, saying they stand for sensible rights, etc….
What have you done to make the NRA a responsible organization, what have you done to stop the insanity demonstrated by the Right To Carry dolts who love to parade through family restaurants, grocery stores, city streets, carrying automatic rifles….????????
Until you address the egregious behavior by gunbots and the gun makers…you have no credibility, here or elsewhere.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
What has any gun-control advocate done for sensible rights, other than to propose to take them away from a group they don’t want to understand? And if you don’t even take the 5 minutes to understand the difference between an automatic rifle, and the firearms available to the citizens of this country, you’re the one with no credibility and the one trying to change something you don’t even understand.
Oh, NRA and NSSF has CONTINUED to directly do more for ‘gun safety’ then everytown or mayors against illegal guns, or Shannon Watts.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
Excuse me, where did she state take them away?
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
Isn’t that the end goal of a true gun-control advocate? That in the absence of “ban them all”, to make gun ownership so onerous, so expensive, so socially repulsive as to be a virtual ban? That the means justify the ends? Read some of eyelashvipers other comments, here and in other gun-control threads if you want to see what I mean. Or for a real eye full, visit Coalition to Stop Gun Violences facebook page.
On a side note: I personally don’t think there is a lot to gain from open carry. But at the same time, I find it very offensive to try and lump open carry people in with the same group as common criminals. I thought society did away with the whole “that person LOOKS scary, so we need to pass laws and call the police to control them” back in the 50’s and 60’s.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
No, I don’t find that to be true at all. Most of the readers here are gun owners themselves. There are those looking to ban guns – there are also those out there trying to ban birth control. Neither is going to happen. Expecting people to exhibit a reasonable proficiency and an ability to be a responsible gun owner is not an over the top expectation or goal.
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:04 am
Perhaps I’ve been spending too much time discussing with the more ‘progressive’ gun-control advocates who will say “I support the 2nd amendment, but…” and then lead into a long list of wants and demands that are all but short of a total ban of all firearms.
There are those Moms Demand members I’ve seen comment that they see this a a cultural war. That they know the Kroger boycotts over open-carry won’t stop one robbery, homicide, suicide, etc. But it does give them the opportunity to make even responsible gun-ownership appear irresponsible in order to try and sway public opinion their way.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 5:09 am
You will never convince me that some yahoo wandering around Kroger makes me safer. Too many irresponsible, attention seeking idiots are allowed to own firearms. There is no reason to carry a slung across your back while grocery shopping. Those that feel compelled to act in such a manner are particularly suspect.
If you wish to carry a gun off your private property you should have to be able to prove you know how to clean and keep in proper order, have the ability to secure it against use by a thief or child and display a proper degree of proficiency. Those unwilling or unable to do so, shouldn’t have one.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
You are so full of nonsense, and your first comment is a fine example. If you think that I am a “gun grabber” as you apparently see those of use who are for serious gun control, then you need meds for your delusional state. I learned to shoot a rifle when I was nine, and do not fear guns, just the zealots who cannot face life without having one attached, or close by.
But continue on, maybe you can convince someone of something with such babble.
Graham Shevlin December 28th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
You know, the Slippery Slope fallacy doesn’t gain any credibility by constant repetition.
churchboy January 14th, 2015 at 2:40 am
Open carrying should be common place like it used to be. People wouldn’t be so scared of it. Personally, as a tactical advantage, I don’t want my enemy to see where or what I’m carrying, but I still open carry as an act of protest to tyrannical gun laws. To remind those pricks that people like me are still here and still dangerous if tread on. Just because a rattlesnake is sleeping doesn’t mean you should step on him. You’re still gonna get bit.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:02 pm
“What has any gun-control advocate done for sensible rights, other than
to propose to take them away from a group they don’t want to understand?”…
Yeah mean like banning 20-30 round or more magazines?
You can still have your AK or AR with a 10 round non detachable mags.
Of course you rifle my not look as ‘cool’ with a short mag, but if you cant hit your target with 10 shots, maybe you dont need a rifle to begin with.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Yes, like banning 20-30 round magazines. I’ve seen the arbitrary limits go from 20 to 15 to 10 and now 7 in New York. See the trend here? And the effect on crime? zero. Remember the number one use of a gun death in the US is suicide. How would a magazine limit reduce that?
sgthwjack December 28th, 2014 at 11:51 am
“…support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
Without regard to race, gender, political labels, or any other artificial distinction, no discrimination. Live and let live, or not, your choice. Choose wisely.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
Stay on topic please.
sgthwjack December 28th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Sorry to interrupt your “food fight” with the basic truth of the matter. ‘Bye
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
You did not offer any truth, just some rambling. bye
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
What does that mean exactly? “food fight”?
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
Did someone say FOOD?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
The Sarge over there seems to think we would just throw food about all willy nilly like! The nerve!
Anomaly 100 December 28th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
Throw food? Don’t be silly. Ooo, I’m gonna go make a sammich. This conversation has made me hongry.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
I’m going to make some Chicken Noodle soup! Yum!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Sorry, I don’t read paranoid cryptic. Guess we’ll never know.
sgthwjack December 28th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
A typically spontaneous and disorderly outbreak in which food is thrown for amusement, especially across a cafeteria room, as a form of chaotic collective behavior. Typically by juveniles, of whatever age. In this instance the “food” is verbal.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 2:03 pm
Your sentence makes no sense then. This isn’t a spontaneous and disorderly discussion, now is it? Then you use a little ad hominem “typically by juveniles”, not really because many people have thrown food for various reasons and some even being that of a tradition like Spain. So, again … exactly what are you trying to say?
Foundryman December 28th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
What does that mean exactly? “Choose wisely”?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
So if I choose to keep the cake and throw the veggies, is that wise? LMAO!
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
It means “post stupid sh*t, then run away”
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
She gets upset about the NRA blocking her from their twitter feed?
REALLY?
She and her group block every single person that they don’t agree with from posting to their organizations Facebook page within a few minutes of the persons first post.
Poor baby.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Why do you want to post there?
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
To try to educate the ignorant masses that follow this person, her groups, and the groups she supports.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
“To try to educate the ignorant masses that follow this person”. How benevolent of you. Educating people to your way of thinking. You’re such a humanitarian.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Don’t ya love the use of “ignorant masses”, whom he feels obliged to “educate”.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
Well he must be right..he has (after all), FLAGS in his avatar. That unto itself makes him an expert.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
And an eagle….
Know who else used an eagle for symbolism?..
Starts with an N and ends whit an I..:)
Graham Shevlin December 28th, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Here’s an idea; how about starting from the premise that people who disagree with you are actually not ignorant, they just have a different viewpoint. You might actually find the dialogue a lot more constructive.
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 6:11 pm
You are correct. Those that are anti-gun may not be ignorant. They may just be misinformed. I should have said “ignorant/misinformed masses”.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
Have your tried Breitbart’s site?
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 1:24 pm
How many of your comments did they block?
One, or more?
Or are you just whining for someone else?
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
They delete every post that doesn’t agree with their point of view and block anyone that dares to oppose their point of view from posting again.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:32 pm
You already said that in your previous comment..
I asked you a simple question..
One apparently you are unwilling to answer.
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Oh. Too complicated for you? They delete ONE post as soon as it is seen and then block you immediately. They cannot delete more than one post since you cannot make more than one post before you are banned. EVERYONE that disagrees with them is blocked.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
That’s a great non answer..
You reiterate you comment for the third time..
Yet fail to address my question to you.
Care to take another swing at it?
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Just because you seem to not comprehend written English does not mean I have not answered your question.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
That’s 4 times now you dodge the question I asked.
You are beginning to bore me.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
I didn’t dodge, I posted my actual debate with Shannon Watts. I opened my first Twitter account last night only to find Shannon had somehow PRE-banned a non-existing account!
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 6:28 pm
It’s an IP address that is banned. You logged in and obviously went to her page. Twitter blocked you. Don’t you know how these sites servers work or that your computer has an IP address so that even attempting to set up a guest profile doesn’t change your IP address? So, don’t get all freaked out.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
So she banned your account based on your ISP address…
See, making new names under new accounts, still go back to your ISP address..
You can try to hide..or you can attempt to make a new persona..
But in the end it all points back to you.( and your internet address).
Smarter people than you know how to get around that..
I’ll let those smarter people do what they do, (persistent trolling) and leave it up to you how to figure it out.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
Actually, it’s your lack of comprehension. How many comments did you post that were blocked. One or more? You have written “They delete one as soon as it is seen …” is not an answer to that particular question.
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Oh, my bad.
ONE POST (per anti-gun FB page).
I (and anyone else that disagrees) post ONE time and they delete and ban as soon as any mod sees it.
ONE POST (per anti-gun FB page).
Are you purposely not understanding? If ANYONE (me included) makes a single post not in agreement with their anti-gun philosophy, it is deleted and the person is banned immediately.
ONE POST.
Better?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
It would be the actual answer to the actual question posed by Stoney. So, aside from the unnecessary Caps, and the added superfluous information added that I did not ask for, yeah it’s better.
As for purposely not understanding, that’s an assumption you’ve made without regard to your own lack of communication skills or writing skills, for that matter. He asked you a direct question, multiple times and it was your failure to understand that seemed willful. Glad I could help you understand it!
Now, isn’t that better?
David Morton December 28th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
Yup. So what? They don’t like you so they ban you
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Care to share your post/comment that was “banned” from Ms. Watt’s site?
Feel free to take your time…
And remember, your comment history is available on Google, Disqus, Facebook, Twitter and any other outlet you might choose to use..
Everything you post on social media, despite your best attempts, is available for anyone to see.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
I have the one that Shannon banned me over back during the Starbucks escapade:
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 8:09 pm
I can’t post what got me banned because that was over 6 months ago and I do not remember exactly what I posted. I can tell you that it was nothing but facts; not rude, mean, or anything like that. Just facts.
If you think you can find my post (or ANY pro-gun post) on Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America’s FB page have a nut and try.
Tommycat December 28th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
I actually made two posts before Everytown blocked me. Two on Moms as well. They are quick there. I was even in a nice friendly debate with another poster. Somehow even a friendly debate was too much for them.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
So…..your problem is that you are not able to post an opinion on a site you don’t like that is owned by a woman you dislike.
Really?
You view her opinion as flawed, yet you are desperately and venomously trying to post things there.
Is that pretty much correct?
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
No.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
OK then please enlighten us, as to the real purpose of your noble quest.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:54 pm
He wont even answer the question I asked..
I simply wanted to know if he was, or how many comments of his were blocked on Ms. Watts site..
Maybe he is trying to be honest buy not answering..(willing to bet he never tried to post any comment there)..
And just wants something to complain about.
William December 28th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
He seems quite frustrated. There’s a LOT of people in the world who have blogs/sites that I disagree with. I don’t feel the need to “educate” them. I think having an all consuming desire to do so would be analogous to stalking.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
And that’s why I dont go to “those sites”..:)
William December 28th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
Amazing. Um..and uh look Stoney, I’m not trying to tell you how to live, but when you’re done playing with his brain, please put it back, then wash up. You don’t know where that thing has been.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
I hear ya brother…
Sometimes having a little fun involves getting your hands dirty~!
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 3:17 pm
And your point?
David Morton December 28th, 2014 at 4:18 pm
I block gun people all the time. What I do is usually check their profile and their tweets/posts and if they are totally nuts, I block them. Most of the gun people are threatening and dangerous and they escalate and stalk others. That is why you are so easily blocked.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
Did they use abusive language? Look at the tweets, with language like that … what does one expect? Where in her tweet does she use offensive language or that’s she’s upset by being blocked? It seems more like she finds it funny they’re so afraid of her.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 11:56 pm
The tweets in this article? I could agree with.
But I’ve also seen plenty of “can you show me where that statistic came from?”, or something along the lines of “but the FBI statistics show that since 1993, ‘gun violence’ homicides are down 50%” also get people banned as well.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 8:38 am
Well, I couldn’t say. I don’t know how they run their page. I don’t use twitter or Facebook. I will check someone’s link, but I don’t use the application for myself. Like I said in the thread to someone else, Facebook is like a bog, if you aren’t careful …you can get sucked down into the muck. I prefer not to get into muck if I can actively avoid it.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Who said she was upset?
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Fox news maybe?
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Shannon Watts winning? What’s this say about the tens of thousands (Maybe even hundreds) of blocked pro-2nd amendment followers on her facebook and twitted pages?
I’m one of those blocked people. Why? After I saw one of their ‘statistics’ (for states with handgun background checks, 38% fewer women are shot by intimate partners) I asked where the graphs or data was because I wanted to see how that number was derived (I’m an engineer). Result? comment deleted, and I was banned in about 20 minutes.
Shannon Watts winning? Maybe this is how it worked when she was an executive PR officer promoting GMO’s at Monsanto. But not me.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
So attacking her with threats and foul names is just fine with you then? Because that’s how your comment reads.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
But when liberals call Dana Loesch a “bible humping whore” and “hope she gets shot in the c^&t with one of her own guns..” that’s okay? This is a two way street and I can cherry pick comments too.
Graham Shevlin December 28th, 2014 at 4:44 pm
“both sides do it” is not a response you would accept from one of your children if they misbehaved, so don’t insult our intelligence by trying it here.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
These are not children, they are adults. I was pointing out that I could write an opposing article using nasty quotes and Tweets from the left. If that insults your intelligence, then so be it…
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Absolutely not, and as offensive as I find Ms Loesch not a single moderator here would tolerate that kind of post. You can attack the policies or the statement made (like in the case of Liz Lauten) but the stuff sent to Shannon Watts is tolerated by no reasonable adult.
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
No, it isn’t. But neither is trying to make all gun owners look like they are of the same cloth, which is a constant theme that I see with Everytown: multiple times during their boycotts of stores over Open Carry, they have posted pictures of criminals in the middle of a robbery, and then tried to make it look as if ALL open carry people (regardless of reason) are the same type of people, and any one of them, at any moment could start shooting people.
Or how about Coalition to Stop Gun Violence? Visit the facebook page for awhile, and the posts mentioned in this article will soon look pretty tame.
churchboy January 14th, 2015 at 2:34 am
The number one murder weapon is a blunt object, usually a hammer. Weapons of opportunity for crimes of passion. Not guns. Guns usually stop attacks like that but they don’t show those stories. I’ve been in situations where I needed a gun and didn’t have one. I ended up leaving trails of my own blood everywhere. Never again. I can fight too, but when there’s a knife involved you will almost always get cut, black belt or not.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
” Maybe this is how it worked when she was an executive PR officer promoting GMO’s at Monsanto.”
What is that suppose to mean? Oh, right. Throw out some chum and hope someone bites? sigh. Try a better argument. Try using some reasoned words. But just by observing your throwaway comment at the end … I highly doubt you were engaging people in a tempered and reasoned way. Sorry, but that’s my take on it.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
So it’s the job at Monsanto that bothers you about Ms. Watts?..
Or is it her ability as a female with strong public relations capability that has you all wadded up?
Or are you just here to whine about having your comments blocked on a site where your opinion/comments are not welcome?
My2Bits December 28th, 2014 at 11:50 pm
And it doesn’t bother you that your now accepting her word as the truth? It’s been her career to try and convince the public that she or the corporation she is representing knows best. She knows how to push her ‘products’. Why is it that she doesn’t make any public appearances, or the interviews she gives are so carefully scripted? Because she wants to control the message.
David Morton December 28th, 2014 at 4:13 pm
The statistic is fact. Just because you feel that we should bend over backwards to educate you doesn’t make the fact untrue.
She is winning. We are winning!
Fist_of_Doom December 28th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
You guys are not winning.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
But you guys sure are whining….
Fist_of_Doom December 30th, 2014 at 8:26 pm
Not but when we are blocked for stating facts and blocked for it…then she whines we call a turd a turd.
whatthe46 December 30th, 2014 at 8:47 pm
gun sense! how about the 2 y/o that shot and killed his mother? no comment?
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:03 am
Dumb mother. Should of not let her son get into her purse. What about these deaths: by smoking (160,000 deaths in a year), drunk driving (one to two per hour), malpractice by doctors and health care (100,000 to 200,000 and maybe more a year. What about that? Lets ban all smokers in and out of the house. Just ban all smokes period. Drunk driving…lets ban cars that go over the speed limits, hold more than four people…so there would be less deaths, and ban alcohol. Now, lets get rid of doctors and hospitals and nursing homes. No comment?
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:29 am
Dumb mother. She should of never let her son touch her purse. I teach my kids not to touch or handle a firearm. She should of known better. Now, that I know you only read the mass media news, here is some news that might enlighten you (all facts can be found on CDC, MADD, and search engines)
Smoking deaths: 159,000. So lets do a full out right ban on all cigarettes. Why isn’t there any “smoking sense?”
Drunk Driving Deaths: 10,000. So lets ban cars and alcohol. Why isn’t there any “alcohol sense?”
Car accident deaths: 35,000. Why are cars designed to go over the speed limit? Why are these death traps designed to hold up 8+ more people? If we limit cars to holding 2 people, deaths would go down? Why isn’t there any “car sense?”
Death by Malpractice: 100,000 to 200,00 and maybe 400,000. So lets ban Doctors, Hospitals, Nursing Homes, etc? Lets limit people visits to the doctor and hospitals. This would decrease the deaths. Firearm related deaths are not even in the top ten: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6208a8.htm Any comment? Nope.
My2Bits December 29th, 2014 at 12:50 am
A fact? Prove it.
Wait, let me save you some time. It doesn’t exist, except on a computer someplace in the files of Mayors Against Illegal Guns (source of quote). But if you do dig, you will find a graph showing the 38%, but also some more interesting info:
Like it was for only one year (2010). How do you establish a trend with only one year of data?
It excluded New York State. But the data is out there and can be found. What happens when you add it in (assuming the numbers in the graph are real)? Well, it doesn’t change much the difference between the handgun background/non-background check states. But there are WAY more non-gun homicides in New York than other states. Making the non-gun difference much larger (i.e. more intimate partner homicides committed with non-guns in states with handgun background checks).
Oh, but there’s more! The Y-axis (crimes per female citizen in this case) are per 1,000,000. The standard is to use 100,000. So why use the million mark? Because that was the only way to get a whole number to show on the graph. i.e. the actually numbers are very very small.
So not only is there no trend established and missing data, but the “38%” is akin to measuring the difference between the thickness of your shin hairs.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 2:29 pm
Background Checks on purchasing guns do work regardless of the NRA Marketing lies and the lies put forth by their gun-crazy minions.
“Since February 28, 1994, the Brady law has blocked more than 2.1 million gun purchases, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is 343 purchases blocked every day. More than one million of those attempted purchases were by felons. Another 291,000 denials were to domestic abusers. And, 118,000 gun sales to fugitives were blocked thanks to background checks.”
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
Yes, you are right. Now research the dismal prosecution rate. Lying on a Form 4473 is a federal felony.http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/biden-to-nra-we-dont-have-the-time-to-prosecute-people-who-lie-on-background-checks/
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
The Daily Caller…(snickers).
Tucker Carlson’s web page is your source?
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Exactly. Tucker Carlson … the guy who got the boot from CNN and other news outfits and now is a side-kick on Faux News.
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Of course I am right on this issue … facts don’t lie. Now you are bringing up another issue, which is the prosecution rate. America needs to address that issue as well. But, the point is, that the NRA’s marketing machines LYING message that Background checks don’t work is flawed, period.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:54 pm
Your link to the Daily caller doesn’t do any ‘research’, it list one year 2010 were there were 22 prosecutions for form 4473 violations..
I wonder what the rate of prosecution under previous DOJ administrations was prior to 2009.
Wanna do your research and bet it was even lower?
Mark Travers December 28th, 2014 at 3:57 pm
Hi Stoney Curtisll, I just looked at that very outdated research report that David Mette put forth. How embarrassing … same sort of crap the NRA tried in Washington State with mis-information.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
No need for formality…
You can just call me Stoney..;)
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
The letter points to a study conducted by Syracuse University that found
a 30 percent decline in prosecutions compared with the peak year of the
Bush presidency. In 2004, there were 11,015 prosecutions, but data
shows that by the final year of President Obama’s first term in 2012,
just 7,774 cases were prosecuted.
Read On ABC News Radio: http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/gop-blasts-obama-administration-on-enforcement-of-gun-laws.html#ixzz3NEFnYOPy
David Morton December 28th, 2014 at 4:10 pm
You guys constantly make stuff up. I don’t even bother correcting you anymore. You aren’t worth the time…
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 5:53 pm
And Moms Demanding Action and Every Town don’t? They listed one of the Boston bombers as a “victim”…and then tried to blame it on Slate!
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
Well..
I guess the “gun grabbing” (Obama) administration needs to get with the program..
One would think prosecuting criminal gun buying attempts would be a priority…(short of some conspiracy).
I have to ask, is the old black and white photo on your Facebook your dad?.
There is a striking resemblance if so…
My dad way also Navy WWll vet.
A navy Corpsman, (medic to the marines) battle of Leyte Gulf, Salomon islands Guadalcanal…
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Yes, that is my father RIP. USS Hunt destroyer, Master Chief..South Pacific theater also…witnessed the Marianas Turkey Shoot. Many thanks to your father for saving lives!
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
Our pops where hero’s~!
I miss mine, he would have been 92 years old in September.
There is no arguing about that.
High five to his service~!
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
Obama is waiting for his third term before he starts grabbing everybodies guns. Good thing these gun nuts don’t know Obama is going to run for a third term yet.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 6:01 pm
He’s not running for a third term, he’s writing an executive order and making himself Emperor. Come on!
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
Awesome, Obama, Emperor of America. He will be known for the rest of time as the one man who was able to take away all the guns and bring peace to Earth. He will be the next Messiah.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 6:34 pm
< has third term vote ready to cast..:)
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
Try the FBI’s website ’cause at least a much more accepted site David versus dailycaller’s.
David Mette December 28th, 2014 at 6:29 pm
It falls under DOJ not FBI..and “The GOP members also ask Attorney General Eric Holder for records of DOJ
prosecutions for federal firearms violations over the past 11 years.
Read On ABC News Radio: http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/gop-blasts-obama-administration-on-enforcement-of-gun-laws.html#ixzz3NEpNdbHM
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Again, look at the FBI’s site or at least try to David.
Mike Larrazzo December 28th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
referring to Julie Golob as an “alleged human” is perfectly ok. Nothing misogynistic about that.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
Mike Larrazzo has a Facebook link on his profile page..
Here are a list of his Favorites.
Bane666Au, Anti-Feminism, MGTOW – Men Going Their Own Way, Male feminists are pussies..
Mike seems to have issues with women.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
Wow. This guy has some serious issues with women.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 3:28 pm
It does indeed seem to be so.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
I just would like to know how someone raises a kid to turn out like that? Raised to harbor hate in one’s heart is not good parenting or one really damaged kid.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
Serious issues, perhaps with reality….
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 3:17 pm
*giggle*
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Like the Santa Barbara shooter whose name has already faded away.
Mike Larrazzo December 30th, 2014 at 8:58 pm
YOU STALKER
Mike Larrazzo December 30th, 2014 at 9:03 pm
I’m flattered that you looked into my background. Means I struck a nerve.
AnthonyLook December 28th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
Shannon Watts not only out shines any Republican female token shill out there; she’s running circles around the NRA. Smart, pretty, confident; quite inspirational.
Fist_of_Doom December 28th, 2014 at 5:07 pm
She is not. She even has body guards who carry firearms around her. Also, she has lied about other women on a public forum and never apologized for it.
AnthonyLook December 28th, 2014 at 5:19 pm
The Shannon Watts “Lying” campaign that you and your NRA ilk are advancing against her is such propaganda.
Fist_of_Doom December 30th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
As a gun owner, I dislike the NRA.
Carla Akins December 28th, 2014 at 5:59 pm
Links, or are we just supposed to take your word for all this?
Krabtastic December 28th, 2014 at 9:49 pm
Here are 3 images about her security. Her “protection for me but not for thee” hypocrisy is well documented. Then she made the ultimate hypocrite faux pas when she tweeted that NRA nonsense after she’d blocked just about everyone in the free world. I guess the oxygen is getting pretty low in her self-made echo chamber.
This is the article where Shannon tries to tie Dana and Magpul to Newtown. These are HER words…SHE wrote the column. How is Magpul even remotely responsible? Is Coors or Ford to blame when a drunk plows down a family of five in a mini-van? I guess the GunSense crew love their cars and beer too much to call for them to be regulated more, right? Go after the guns because they don’t care about them and it makes them look like their doing something while they do nothing. They clearly only care about SOME of the children.
http://tiny.cc/zrylrx
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 4:28 am
So law enforcement and professionals? Those vetted, with significant psychological testing and background checks? Do you see the irony?
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 10:07 am
Actually, no, I don’t. Their training and vetting doesn’t exclude them from making mistakes or behaving badly. In addition, not all the training and vetting in the world will create a duty to protect my family and me. I don’t have the funds to employ armed security for each of my family members 24/7 and we have no special relationship with the police department so they have no duty to protect us either. The police only have a duty to protect the public at large, not individual citizens. Their duty is to solve crimes and catch criminals. For the sake of argument, lets say they did have the duty to protect me. That duty won’t create the ability to protect me. I can’t be the only one that sees they tend to show up just in time to clean up the mess. In most cases, like Sandy hook, their job was done for them. The crime was solved in red all over that school and Lanza wasn’t on the run.
Don’t take my word for it. Check out the court cases and police articles for yourself then ask yourself why you continue to trust the govt for something they have no duty to perform and historically failed to provide:
https://bitly.com/bundles/o_2r35sfkifh/h
“Do you believe that you are forbidden to protect yourself because the police are better qualified to protect you, because they know what they are doing but you’re a rank amateur? Put aside that this is equivalent to believing that only concert pianists may play the piano and only professional athletes may play sports. What exactly are these special qualities possessed only by the police and beyond the rest of us mere mortals?”
-Jeffrey R. Snyder
Fist_of_Doom December 30th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
Use google and you will find the proof.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
So does Rudy Giuliani….I’ve met him and his bodyguards.
ChiGurh18 December 28th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Win all she want on Twitter, gun support is at an all-time high. Got face mushed by Krogers, no federal universal check, no where in the vicinity of ever getting any type of AWB on the table, Senate taken over by pro-2A zealots, Colorado D-recalled, very little compliance in Colorado and Washington new gun control laws, more and more judges striking down gun control laws as unconstitutional; so, explain to me why I should about someone who essentially is the same as any other corporate PR manager, but with way less money and less support than the gun lobby? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller….
David Morton December 28th, 2014 at 4:08 pm
So then why are you here frettin bout’it???
mea_mark December 28th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Isn’t it obvious. He’s here to work on his writing skills. Practice makes perfect.
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 4:33 pm
lets give him some pointers…(maybe not)…;)
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Little hope of improvement, save your energy.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Who says people who want some gun control are anti gun or anti Second Amendment? The Brady Bill was in effect for like ten years and all the gloom and doom warnings from the NRA back then didn’t happen. We still had guns. No one came for my Tech Nine or my H&K 223. I still bought ammo for them, shot them at the range. Hunting is big up here. We have open carry, but no one does it. It’s really kind of foolish. Most of the people I know have their CC’s.
We don’t feel the need to carry firearms while food shopping or dining out with our family and friends. Maybe you should be asking your local elected officials what they plan on doing to make your area safer? I would want that before wanting the need to openly carry a loaded firearm at my local Olive Garden, if I were to eat there. Just my opinion.
Fist_of_Doom December 28th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
“Shall not be infringed.” What does that mean to you?
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 5:10 pm
No rights are without limits, despite what inane thoughts whirl around in your cranium.
Tommycat December 28th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
Actually, the right does not have limits. What you may do WITH that right is limited. As an example that is often used, free speech does not allow you to yell “fire” in a crowded movie theatre. They do not force you to cut your vocal cords to prevent you from doing so, but your actions with the right can be limited. Likewise we can have unlimited rights to keep and bear arms, however how we USE that right can be limited. For instance murder is not protected by the Second Amendment. That is an action that may use the arms, but the arms are not prohibited. Does that make sense?
Fist_of_Doom December 30th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
This right is clearly stated. Privleges have limits
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 5:27 pm
In a well regulated militia … what does that mean to you?
NunyaBusiness December 28th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
The founders considered all able bodied males (not currently in jail) over the age of 14 to be “the militia”. Also, back then, “well regulated” meant that their equipment was in working order. So I would say that it meant every person over the age of 14 not in jail has the right to own working weapons.
Many of the cannons used by the Continental Army were privately owned.
Privately owned cannons, the most powerful land weapon of that
time, would be equal to a M1A2 Abrams or 155mm Howitzer today.
Most of our ships of war were privately owned (almost 800 privately owned ships vs the actual Navy total of 64) with commissions or Letters of Marque to operate on behalf of the Continental Congress.
A ship, such as a a privateer, would be the equivalent of a destroyer or even a battleship today.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
Here you go. It’s got some fairly good info on what was going on with the Founders and the debates surrounding the Second Amendment and militia’s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22
Tommycat December 28th, 2014 at 11:22 pm
Interesting to note that in that section you linked to, the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms is NOT connected to the militia. Are you going to change your opinion on that now that the link YOU POSTED says that the right is not connected to the militia?
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 7:48 am
Um, if you want to interject, at least stay on point with the original conversation. What a term meant. The Second Amendment indeed states the exact words “in a well regulated militia.” Do you not know that? You can also scroll up and read the entire reference page. There were major debates as this country formed. Absolutely fascinating philosophical debates that would be the “framework” in which to build a better society.
I don’t know what you think my opinion is. I live in Maine. I’ve owned guns. Don’t have a problem with my neighbor’s AR-15. He also doesn’t feel the need to carry it around while grocery shopping. I loved my Tech Nine, my .380, and my H&K 223 (It was a very pretty) but couldn’t really shoot it. It had more kick and always jumped me. No sense in shooting a rifle you aren’t comfy shooting. As for “changing my opinion”, I don’t know what you think my position is, therefor I can not answer that. Oh, and you really, really don’t need to shout at me. I think I’ve been really polite. Thanks.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 9:11 am
It’s called emphasis.
I’ll say I have my doubts about you owning an H&K 223. But whatever. I’ve seen enough people who have no idea about guns claim to own them… And some actual gun owners who really have no idea about their own guns. So whatever. The H&K’s I’ve shot did not “jump” but then I’ve also had military experience firing several different firearms in the past. The FN-FAL was the one that did the jumping. Though that’s to be expected with a 7.62 NATO round as opposed to the dinky .223 CAL.
You made it a point to mention well regulated militia after a person noted “Shall not be infringed.” So therefore my comment is perfectly in line with the conversation(unless you were throwing out a red herring, then your comment had no value in the conversation). Your position appears to have been that “Shall Not Be Infringed” was connected to the militia. So, now that the section you pointed to are you going to change your response to something with a point?
As for the Open Carry demonstrators, they are openly carrying what the law allows them to carry. Texas law right now only allows open carry of rifles. They would rather carry handguns, but the law does not allow that. It’s a remnant of Jim Crow era laws, meant to keep blacks from having firearms. Once Texas has open carry, those people will disappear. Personally I don’t like open carry, but that’s my preference. Of course since I rarely carry at all who am I to decide what’s best for someone else.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 9:31 am
It isn’t emphasis. It’s considered yelling, really. This is emphasis. It’s common knowledge that caps is yelling. As for your doubts of my gun ownership, seems like an immediate go to the second one is confronted with someone who has no issue with gun control that actually owns guns. I weighed 90 pounds and it hurt to shoot. I’ve never shot a shotgun, they intimidate me. I stick with what I can shoot accurately. It was also heavy for me. That happens when you’re only 5’3″. I prefer handguns. I loved my tech nine. Again, you’re interjecting into a conversation and that is how the Second Amendment in written. Do you really think that they Framer’s had any intentions of disarming people or that I would be behind it? If anyone lacks a point, it’s you. You interrupted a conversation, then ask me to change my opinion and now I lack a point?
You have yourself a lovely day.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 10:53 am
Have you seen me use bold lettering? I haven’t put that much time in to commenting to use bold. So I emphasize with capitalizing the words. If I were yelling, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS!!! <— note the added exclamation points for being REALLY loud.
No, I doubt your gun ownership because you stated that a .223 kicked too much. Future reference: a heavier firearm with a tiny bullet doesn't kick as much. My girlfriend loves her shotgun(and is actually a much better shot than I am) and she can handle that kick. She's 5' even and right around the same weight. She has no problems at all firing her AR which is lighter than the H&K 223(depending on the actual model since there is no model 223 there are some that are more like the FN FAL which is why I mentioned that one, though the .223 versions have next to no kick at all).
I know how the Second is written, and it does not say, "in a well regulated militia." So your initial point was a red herring designed to drive the conversation away from the "Shall not be infringed"
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 11:00 am
You should try reading the Second Amendment. It indeed states In a well regulated Milita. Wow. I don’t care what your girlfriend likes to shoot, really. The rounds were a .223 and I didn’t like the gun. Period. You may want to think about the caps thing, really.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 11:07 am
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Who needs to re-read? It does not state “in” a well regulated militia. It states, “A well regulated militia” Note: no “in” before that.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 11:15 am
Ok, but you just stated it wasn’t in there at all. So …again, you are injecting yourself into a conversation that wasn’t even between us. The point, which I will attempt to explain to you, is that people like to just pick the “shall not be infringed” yet ignore “well regulated militia”. And at no time did I ever say people should give up their rights to keep and bear arms. So, again, what’s your point?
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Because the “Well Regulated Militia” clause can be left off without affecting the remainder of the sentence. It states the reasoning behind the right, but not a limitation on the right. And the SCOTUS agrees with that interpretation. When you added “in” to the beginning of that clause it changed the clause fundamentally. It goes from a reason for the right to a requirement.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
I will deny it. I bought a Tech-9 back in the 90’s, and the H&K. I did not like the H&K and my boyfriend used it. It’s a beautiful gun, but not something I enjoyed shooting. The Tech-9 nine had a little kick up and to the left, easy to counter and lighter weight. Not everyone is a fan of the H&K. That’s your evidence? BAAHAAHAAA!!! My sons father loved Bushmaster, so what? In fact, my boyfriend at the time split his nose when the recoil of his rifle popped up and the scope nailed him. Of course he was laying down while sighting it in, I’m not good with a rifle and never have been. I live in Maine dear. We don’t tend to have issues with guns.
This isn’t my page, so I can’t block you nor would I. I don’t really care if you believe me or not. I also owned a little .22. After reading that drivel you wrote, critical thinking isn’t what I would consider yourself. Really.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Oops, “Guest” had to go away and will have to live with his doubts…
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
LOL! I don’t get that. Because I didn’t like the H&K, I didn’t own one? Wow. I actually bought the Tech-9 because I live in the woods. You don’t really have to aim if somebody comes into your bedroom at night. Just point and spray.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Delightful little cherub had a Facebook link. He can’t imagine I would own both because it was the 90’s and he was probably still just a wiggly worm in his Dad’s sack. He’s also in the military and his page is completely filled with military weaponry. The hilarity.
XD
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 9:26 am
A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
Who has the right to keep and eat food in this sentence?
Can that food only be used for breakfast?
If the founders wanted only the militia to have arms, they would have stated “the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
Nathan S. December 28th, 2014 at 8:27 pm
The rules of grammar, what do they mean to you? (in the context of the 2nd Amendment, not your actual comment)
Fist_of_Doom December 30th, 2014 at 8:23 pm
A comma seperates the two. Militias are regulated. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
Pistol-Packing December 28th, 2014 at 7:44 pm
It is a personal choice of when and where you carry. At least you are given the option to exercise that decision. Here in the Great Peoples republic of New Jermany, we have no option.
As far as your comment: “We don’t feel the need to carry firearms while food shopping or dining out with our family and friends.”, hopefully that is a time that you never need it, versus having it when you do.
Mainah December 28th, 2014 at 8:05 pm
I didn’t vote for the law, actually. I don’t want some untrained yahoo pulling out his gun in the middle of the grocery store and getting me and my kids shot. As for “hopefully that is a time that you never need it”? Give me a break.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 1:38 am
There have been people who were unprepared… He’s saying he hopes you never need it and not have it. I’m quite the same way. I hope I never ever have need of it. Honestly most gun owners I know would rather go to their graves never having needed to pull the trigger. Who really wants to kill someone? I certainly don’t. But I’d rather it be the criminal than myself or a loved one that ends up dead.
And I rarely carry. Normally when I do it’s when I’m in the woods where giving up my wallet won’t satisfy the animal in question.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Yeah, like that guy who was killed by the Bundy rejects in Walmart as he attempted to pull his weapon……exactly the scenario NO one wants.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Well, that’s my point. If someone wants to protect their home, great. If you transport receipt bags, in the car … I can see that. But going out to dinner? A movie? Everyone likes to say what they would have done, but that’s a whole lot of shoulda, would, coulda and didn’t.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
I don’t even carry my cell phone into restaurants since it’s ugly and distracting and can wait until I’m finished dining. The shoot out at the Golden Corral cannot end well!
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Now that is funny!
StoneyCurtisll December 28th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
That is about number 7 of the all time run on sentences I have seen in the last year…
Give me a period, or give me death~!
Pistol-Packing December 28th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
take 3 . . . and call me in the morning
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 3:36 pm
She’s vying for the Hemingway opening sentence contest only she doesn’t know who he is or that he shot his head off.
eyelashviper December 28th, 2014 at 4:49 pm
With a name like ChiGurh, we all fall down in fear of your mighty abilities, especially in the written word,………..
ChiGurh18 December 28th, 2014 at 8:07 pm
Thank you all for the fascinating comments. Society is the best theater.
Dwayne Hinton December 28th, 2014 at 11:37 pm
good thing there were 4 people with concealed weapons in that theater in aurora, when a mass shooter showed up.
oh wait…. not a one of them did anything.
tell me again – what use are you?
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 7:01 pm
The theater that murderer(i refuse to give recognition to the murderer by naming them) shot up was a gun free zone, actually. Anyone who had a permit was not allowed to carry there.
Fist_of_Doom December 28th, 2014 at 5:05 pm
And I am blocked by her. See is a fraud and a fake. Also, there is nothing beautiful about her.
allison1050 December 28th, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Try Breitbart’s site.
jdenitto1966 December 29th, 2014 at 1:58 am
I worked with a doctor who treated people with neurological disorders. One of the signs is the unaligned facial features, especially around the eyes. This woman, from her photo, clearly has this. For what its worth.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 3:35 pm
Are you talking about Michelle Bachmann or the Quitta from Wasilla? Talk about unaligned!
William December 29th, 2014 at 5:22 pm
” clearly has this. For what its worth”
It’s worth precisely what a long distance diagnosis from a non Physician scrutinizing a photograph is worth.
BTW, based upon your avatar, I think you have dysentery.
Bob Smiton December 28th, 2014 at 6:06 pm
From the article:
“NRA supporters, I have some advice for you. If you want to appear to be female-friendly, don’t call a woman a “Bitch”, a “cunt”, “twat’ or tell her she needs to “get back in the kitchen.”
“Include “bimbo” to the list of things not to call a woman.”
Maybe you failed to realize this but that was a woman who made that comment and many of the other comments using those words were also woman so while I don’t agree with cussing someone out to get your point across, you may want to actually read into things a bit more before disparaging all NRA supporters for the actions of a few people who may or may not be NRA members and may or may not be women.
Dwayne Hinton December 28th, 2014 at 11:36 pm
the NRA are nothing but gun-maker-lobbyists, and that’s all the big wigs there have been for a long time.
what kind of person supports those greed-demons?
Bob Smiton December 29th, 2014 at 12:04 am
That is your “opinion” though not one based in fact. I prefer to stick to the facts so if you are interested in a conversation that actually extends beyond your own personal beliefs then I am open for further discussion.
allison1050 December 29th, 2014 at 5:30 am
Don’t you know how to check a corporation’s porfolio?
Bob Smiton December 29th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
The question is do you? The NRA is supported by some 5+ million members. What you are referring to is likely what they call the Institute for Legislative Action and the Political Victory Fund which are entirely separate organizations.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 1:23 am
Actually, if they were really for the gun manufacturers lobby, they would be pushing support for Universal Background Checks. Because as it is the gun manufacturers lose money to the second hand sales. UBC’s would drive more people to buy at the store, and increase new firearm sales.
Besides, that group already HAS their own lobby group. The NSSF…
Nathan S. December 29th, 2014 at 2:25 am
“Because as it is the gun manufacturers lose money to the second hand sales.”
It is hard to see the forest for the trees when one believes in the bogeyman that is the NRA.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 4:24 am
Yet, the current background checks deny approximately 1115K sales each year.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 9:19 am
Numbers are closer to 90k per year, and most of those are due to people with similar names. That’s why there are so few prosecutions on it. It is a felony for a prohibited person to attempt to purchase a firearm. Tell me: if out of those million, only 50 or so are prosecuted, what did they stop? Usually it’s some paperwork error that caused people to be denied.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 4:23 am
Nowhere in that statement does it state it came from a man, that was your assumption or is it just your lack of comprehension skills. It stands as a valid statement – if NRA supporters (no gender assigned) want to appear more female friendly…… If you don’t want to be lumped in with these offensive people, perhaps you should decry their behavior to them instead of worrying about parsing the wording of this article.
Nathan S. December 29th, 2014 at 4:35 am
“If you don’t want to be lumped in with these offensive people,”
Perhaps I missed your ‘decrying’ of another mod’s offensive language. There are a lot of comments here
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 am
Another mod on this site called someone a cunt, bitch or threatened to kill them? Where?
Nathan S. December 29th, 2014 at 5:17 am
“..Comprehension, it’s a thing.”
I said “another mod’s offensive language”, not that another mod called anyone anything.
I doubt you are so blind as to not see abusive language, you have called out people on both sides for abusive language. I imagine that can be a complete grind and frustrating to no end. But to not see another mod’s? It is featured, front and center, so to speak.
allison1050 December 29th, 2014 at 5:27 am
You still didn’t answer the question that was asked of you, why didn’t you just answer?
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 6:15 am
You mean Anomaly’s note to the readers? The author of this piece? Please, it in no way rises to the level of offensive except the very thin skinned. When you see someone on this site threaten use language like that used to address Ms Watts – you’ll have a complaint.,
CatInCT December 29th, 2014 at 6:51 am
I’ve been called far worse by the gun grabbers. I have had Ms. Watts supporters wish death upon me. All for standing up for my own freedom to exercise a Constitutional right. As far as the NRA, as an organization, is concerned, I don’t think they have ever claimed to want “discussion” with gun control pushers. On the other hand, gun control pushers repeatedly claim that they are not pushing gun cintrol and want “discussion”. However, they do not allow any discussion. Gun rights people who make any attempt at discussion, no matter how polite, are immediately blocked on FB or Twitter. At least Twitter has free speech, so that someone may publicly call them out on their hypocrisy and lies.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 6:52 am
Pics or it didn’t happen.
Bob Smiton December 29th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
It is absolutely insinuated and the fact remains that most of those comments were made by women from what I read and I am sorry but I’ll not stand in the way of one woman calling another woman any of those names. In addition to that, those are not all NRA supporters. They are gun owners, some are NRA members and others are not but you go right ahead and make assumptions. It had absolutely nothing to do with the NRA other than Mrs Shannon Watts herself sticking their name into the mix to stir up yet more hate like she has proven to be ever so good at.
Tommycat December 28th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
Interestingly enough, even though I used no vile names nor personal insults, simply asking a few questions got me banned from their Facebook page within minutes. I wouldn’t doubt that one of her admins blocked the NRA when they posted on her page.
Nathan S. December 28th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
It would appear that MDA and Ms. Watts/Troughton consider merely asking a question as attacking and bullying. I was blocked for merely asking a question, no innuendo, names or anything of that nature was included.
I can certainly understand blocking anyone who calls names or is abusive in any way, but it really should make people stop to think when merely asking questions get someone blocked.
anigma December 29th, 2014 at 9:19 am
I was blocked for posting facts that disagree with their made up statistics..
Jeffry Bankston December 28th, 2014 at 9:18 pm
Unwilling to have a discussion I’m sure these stupid sheep liberals will ban me also, liberals think taking guns from law abiding good people is a good thing. well only some one who wants America to fail would disarm its citizens. And here is whats Funny you will never ever ever succeed EVER
Dwayne Hinton December 28th, 2014 at 11:35 pm
name one mass shooter, who WASN’T a law abiding citizen, prior to going on a shooting spree.
then, name ALL the mass shooters who WERE law abiding citizens, prior to going on a shooting spree.
your argument fails.
oh.. and clinton didn’t take anyone’s guns.
obama hasn’t taken anyone’s guns.
but, apparently, you weren’t intelligent to notice when W DID take people’s guns.
what did you do when that happened? posted some QQ? did you even NOTICE when it happened????
you fail at protecting people’s guns as well.
are you this much of a failure at EVERYTHING?
Tommycat December 28th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
Actually, many of us DID find that distasteful, and made comment on that. In fact we still bring up the government seizing weapons during Katrina as an example of WHY we dislike being forced to register. Unlike some, we actually don’t like people who abuse the rights of the people whether they have a D or an R behind their name.
Outlaw Josey Wales December 29th, 2014 at 10:21 am
“name one mass shooter, who WASN’T a law abiding citizen, prior to going on a shooting spree”
That’s actually easy….ALL OF THEM. All mass shooters from the last decade were NOT law abiding citizens. It has been shown that they were ALL on some form of anti-psychotic or anti-depressant. That means that they have mental health issues and should not have had any firearms. . The fact that they did have firearms makes them criminals and their family members as well for providing easy access to firearms to a mentally disturbed individual
“then, name ALL the mass shooters who WERE law abiding citizens, prior to going on a shooting spree”
Again, easy. NONE. See above response.
But is has been shown that most of the recent mass shooters were either registered liberal Democrats themselves or came from a liberal Democrat home.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
LOL….sure Taffy, sure……we all believe they were ‘registered’ Democrats.
You have the Google, why don’t you use it…that strawman argument is so weak, it’s already been debunked numerous times.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Don’t take my word for it though, look at the articles they posted
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/05/robert-farago/national-guard-staff-sgt-joshua-may-chronicles-katrina-gun-grab-mutiny/
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 4:16 am
Because after your comment and name calling why would we want you to stay? Really, you’re an adult?
Jeffry Bankston January 23rd, 2015 at 12:11 am
Oh like you people never engage in name calling in fact the name calling is what I was referencing to. Name calling back is what gun owners are expected to do. The threat to ban is comical Anomaly 100
is a super good human to say things like gunhumper and trolls must have a PHD
Carla Akins January 23rd, 2015 at 6:32 am
How nice that you agree.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 12:13 am
Also, way to foster positive communication by calling it a “Gun Humper” facebook page.
Nathan S. December 29th, 2014 at 12:16 am
I think the ‘Fostering Positive Communication’ ship sailed long ago when the first honest question was deleted and the person asking was banned and blocked.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 12:29 am
Actually I was making note of the ADMIN of THIS PAGE talking about keeping the comments clean…
CatInCT December 29th, 2014 at 6:38 am
OMG! Which is funnier Shannon “I block all conflicting opinions” Watts complaining about being blocked ot all of you supporters who have continually referred to law abiding gun owners as “gun hampers”, “ammosexuals” and your endless male genitalia references, complaining about vulgar and vicious attacks! It might be worth noting that millions of good, decent people are villified every day by you and Ms. Watts for no reason whatsoever, except YOU don’t like our lifestyle.Someone as vile and ignorant as Ms. Watts, should stay at home, be a mom and stop attacking other people’s rights. Her despicable supporters verbally abuse others and wish DEATH upon them every single day. Your hypocrisy is priceless.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 6:51 am
It has nothing to do with “lifestyle” and if you think that everyone should be a gun owner, not only are you wrong but a danger to the general public. Asking for reasonable regulations on ownership is not onerous, it is clearly necessary to keep guns out of the hands of toddlers and the mentally ill.
anigma December 29th, 2014 at 9:17 am
I don`t need a regulation to keep a firearm away from children, common sense is all that is required. My grandchildren are comfortable around firearms, they NEVER touch one without an adults permission and supervision, that includes their own air rifles. Fear induced by people afraid of their own shadows, creates a curiosity in children which more often than not creates an unhappy incident. Education reduces that risk, fear increases it and ignorance increases it more so. Sure we can be more like the European countries, ban guns, ban knives, ban baseball bats, and the criminals will still find ways to commit crimes and kill those they choose. Or we could educate ourselves and our children. We were given brains for a reason, time to start using them.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 10:06 am
I am happy that you’re a responsible gun owner, but we both know that is too often not the case.
k0diak314 December 29th, 2014 at 11:02 am
A considerable amount of us are “responsible” but you only hear about the ones who arent. You cant physically force people to store their firearms safely without adequate enforcement. The street level thug who keeps his stolen .357 in his sock drawer is not my responsibility.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 11:47 am
You’re right, I am not worried about responsible gun owners and all the responsible gun owners I know are fine with reasonable regulation and accountability. I am not speaking of criminals in this case, just the stupid.
k0diak314 December 29th, 2014 at 11:56 am
So we should be held responsible for the stupidity of others? The best I can do is ensure whatever I own is secured…What my neighbors do is their own business.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 6:52 pm
Not many, if ANY, in the “lifestyle” want criminals or mentally ill people owning firearms. I’m in favor of better enforcing the laws we have now than adding new ones. Often the gun charges in a robbery/assault are plea bargained out, if they got rid of that, and tacked on the mandatory sentence of criminal firearm use, that might change things around. Violence cannot be regulated, it’s human nature, whether we like it or not. No amount of laws, regulations, weapon bans, etc can get rid of it.
I had a discussion with a nurse at my chiropractor’s office the other day when the doctor and I were discussing our latest purchases; I had just gotten my CCW license and a gun and holster at the time.
She said her boyfriend used to own guns, but she made him get rid of them because she wasn’t comfortable around them. Which is fine, but I’d rather he’d taken her to a beginner’s class, like I did with my mother, and get her familiar with them. Spouses/significant others/family members can sometimes make horrible teachers, and that’s why I chose to take my mom to a class(I didn’t grow up around guns like a lot of others have) rather than me try to teach her.
Then the nurse got to talking about how he’d like to get a gun again. I forget what she said he wanted to get, but the way she was talking, it sounded like he was more looking to play Rambo than anything else. I told her, that as much as I am for law abiding people owning guns, if he wants to play Rambo, get an airsoft rifle/pistol, and leave the real ones to those of us who know what we’re doing.
Common sense tells me that, despite putting the gun away unloaded, I still pull the magazine, if it has one in it, rack the bolt/slide a couple times to make sure it’s still unloaded, then put it in my bag to go to the range. Common sense tells me to do the same thing if I’m showing, or letting someone else handle my firearms. Common sense tells me that if I had children, I’d have bought a safe before I bought any firearms. Lumping responsible gun owners with mass murders and gang bangers is not common sense.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
Rule 1) ALWAYS treat a firearm as if it’s loaded
So many people are shot by firearms that “I didn’t think it was loaded.”
And I’ll be the first to disagree with you. I am of the opinion that if they cannot be trusted with a firearm, they should not be in public without supervision. I think the issue we have is recidivism and part of that can be tied to a person being limited in his prospects after a conviction. Even a minor conviction can have drastic effects on a person’s job prospects. I think the way our prisons are run also has a lot to do with why ex cons come out worse than before. They don’t really reform a person. They just shelter them away from society. That’s fine for someone who is beyond hope, but I am of the opinion that we can reform nearly all persons.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
I am pretty sure you have to allow people to exist in public.
Tommycat December 30th, 2014 at 1:31 am
I have a pretty good example. I actually know of an ex con/felon. He had actually reformed himself and paid his debt to society. He truly learned his lesson and turned his life around. He is a responsible father, and a positive role for his child. His ex wife has made many threats against him and her family has also made non-specific threats about how he might find himself hurt. He got a firearm for protection. It isn’t legal for him to have done so, but then he has connections that legitimate gun owners wouldn’t have.
So, the idea that prohibiting a felon from owning a firearm will stop them from owning a firearm hasn’t exactly worked. And honestly, some felons are better persons than you give them credit for. If you intend to keep them from owning a firearm the only way you are going to do that is to bar them from leaving custody. There are millions of firearms that have been stolen over the years. And frankly, there’s probably more that are being built and imported illegally. Pretending you’re going to stop it with legislation is like pretending that theft went away because you made it a crime. It’s a lock on a glass door.
My feeling is that if we don’t at least offer a way for someone to gain their rights back(these include voting and firearms rights which are stripped from people) they will simply ignore the law anyway. This benefits only the black market. It’s like the stupid war on drugs. It’s a waste of time and money with no tangible results.
Carla Akins December 30th, 2014 at 4:34 am
I have no problem with restoring a felon’s rights – both gun and voting related depending on circumstances. Again, my concern is for th0ose that should never be gun owners. Requiring a firearm safety course, a proficiency exam, at least a written psychological exam and background check. Although the background check needs to be reworked.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 7:58 pm
I did say it MIGHT work, but I can’t see the future.
But you are correct, the prison system is more about getting them out of the way than reform. And convictions do have detrimental effects on those who do want to change. A person caught urinating in public is treated like a child molester in that they must register as a sex offender.
Again, I’ll agree that if someone has demonstrated they can’t be trusted, they shouldn’t own any firearms. But, at the same time, until they demonstrate they can’t be trusted, I’ll try and give someone the benefit of the doubt. Some of the videos I’ve watched on youtube prove you correct.
I work in a place where they don’t allow weapons to be carried, and I am inclined to agree with that; there are some people working there that I wouldn’t trust to hold a plastic fork, much less a gun.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 7:13 pm
Everyone in my family is a gun owner, with the exception of me. I would not be a good gun owner and I know recognize this fact. We gave our youngest son a CCW class with range time and a new holster for Xmas – I’m not anti-gun. I am anti-stupid. Not everyone should be a gun owner and not every gun owner needs to carry their firearm around the grocery store.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 8:15 pm
I just responded to Tommy, but yes, not everyone should have them, but giving them the benefit of the doubt until they prove they can’t be trusted. Employees are usually taught to spot trouble makers in the gun shop, so they know who to sell to.
If you’re talking about open carrying rifles in the grocery store, yeah, I’ll agree with you on that. Conceal carry…depends. If I lived near Ferguson, I definitely would have my conceal carry gun with me at all times.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:24 pm
I am fine with CC but stunned at the fact there are so may states that don’t require any type of proficiency test – seriously? These are the special gun owners, allowed to carry in places others can’t. For $150, an online test and background check – Indiana will give anyone a permit. This does not inspire confidence.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 8:48 pm
I think a lot of that has to do with reciprocity with other states. Obtain an out of state permit to be able to carry in various other states. If I drove down to Florida from Ohio, I’d have to stop at the Georgia border and unload my ccw firearm before I could legally travel through Georgia. Unless I get an out of state permit from Florida, or another state. If I get Florida’s, I can legally carry in GA and TX, but if I get from IN or PA, then I can carry in GA, TX, PA, and WI. It’s a jumbled mess and I’d love to see all 50 states have reciprocity with each other.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
Hell, I just want them watch the applicant shoot and unload a weapon before issuing a permit.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 9:48 pm
If the applicant can provide documentation of completing the CCW course, I wouldn’t see why they would need to do that. All CCW classes I know of require live fire training before they hand out the certificates. It is also up to the instructor if the person passes the class or not, too. If they think someone needs more training, or isn’t cut out for carrying at all, they have the right to refuse to pass that person.
Ohio just passed their CCW reform, dropping the training from 12 to 8 hours, and we’ll be able to do some of the class work online, should we choose to. Will still need the live fire and certain class work to be done in an actual class, though. I guess some trainers are giving the 8 hour course right now, but the law doesn’t take full effect until April, so the applicant can run into some legal trouble trying to get their license after an 8hr class right now.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 9:54 pm
Oh, I agree. I apologize I wasn’t clear. Indiana doesn’t require any live fire, only passing the online class/test. (and background check) Several of my husband’s co-workers did this last year and they didn’t even own a firearm at the time – or ever. Their plans were to buy one after they had their permit.
Scar December 30th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Vermont, Montana, Wyoming, Alaska, and Arizona are “constitutional carry” states. You don’t need to get a permit, or take any classes, or get any extra background checks besides the one you get when you buy a gun.
I can see your point on the showing competency of safe handling, but you also don’t hear much about accidental shootings in those states, either.
CatInCT December 30th, 2014 at 5:50 am
Not everyone should own a gun. Ms. Watts and those stupid enough to follow her, definitely should not be anywhere near firearms. You harebrained Progressive parrots are a danger to everyone around you as it is. You shouldn’t be trusted with steak knives, let alone guns. There are already thousands of gun laws, “reasonable regulations” have long since been passed. Law abiding, responsible gun owners follow them. Criminals and irresponsible people never will change. You and Ms. Watts have only one goal, to make gun ownership as difficult and burdensome as possible until you can achieve a total ban. There has not been a single proposal from Bloomberg or his paid mouthpiece Watts that address any ACTUAL problem. You “enlightened” progressives need to stop slurring and stigmatizing those with mental illness. You set treatment back a decade, at least. Millions suffer from some type of mental illness and are no danger to anyone. Most benefit from treatment. There was already so much stigms attached to that treatment before you started equating every person with a mental health issue as a mass murderer.
And, it has everything to do with lifestyle. You all fail to acknowledge or respect the millions of Americans who enjoy self sufficiency, self defense or the sport of competitive shooting.
nancy December 29th, 2014 at 7:43 am
It’s odd. I own a Sig .380. Husband owns a couple of handguns and rifles. Both of us have our carry permits. Not once have either one of us been insulted by the calls for reasonable gun control. But then we don’t consider guns a ‘lifestyle’.
We own our guns. They don’t own us.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 7:52 am
Sweet. Love the .380!
nancy December 29th, 2014 at 7:56 am
It is a nice piece of hardware!
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 8:00 am
I had a .25 revolver. Hated it. The weight just didn’t feel right.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:24 am
Ah, the voice of reason. Thank you.
k0diak314 December 29th, 2014 at 10:59 am
Ive never been “insulted” either…I just find it ironic that they preach peaceful “dialog” in one breath and wish for people to “die from their own firearms” in another. I have a folder here on my computer with hundreds of screen shots of so called anti-gun crusaders calling for blood.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Where on this thread or anywhere on this site did someone threaten anyone or wish them dead. It’s like painting all Christians as creationists.
k0diak314 December 29th, 2014 at 11:54 am
I didnt say here in my original post. Most of them are on FB under national anti-gun groups pages. CSGV, MDA etc…I added one example but I have dozens more. And yes I know a lot of the comments from our side of the fence are just as bad if not worse…Its the nature of the beast.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 7:59 am
You’re missing the point. One really shouldn’t use a broad brush to paint with. Do people say outrageous stuff? Yes. Yes they do. Do all people who belong to a group say outrageous stuff? No. No they don’t. Ammosexual is a term that really has nothing to do with anything perverted. Like saying a guy is metrosexual. It just means he has a more sculpted metropolitan look. So, a guy who walks around with say … a Rambo-escue look is ammosexual. Why not look to the people who aren’t using that type of language and try a dialogue with them. Note the word dialogue.
I think mostly, for me, the fact that this small group is not only being intimidated by a band of people carrying assault rifles, upsets me. That’s why I am following her story now. I have no problem with protest, but I do when it comes to bullying. Words and protests are simply that. Stalking a group with assault rifles in a ready stance? Not cool.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 11:34 am
The irony is really thick here… In an article specifically painting “NRA Supporters” as vile and misogynistic, by using a few comments(many of which came from women) to pain them all with. Many of the sites I belong to including the “gun humper” site “Anomaly 100” referred to specifically state that hateful comments towards Ms Watts and other anti-gun personalities are not permitted on their page. This, despite the fact that many on her and other gun control sites regularly use derogatory and insulting language to those of us who actually enjoy gun ownership.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
Well, I’ve never been on her site. Do you have some screen shots? Did they say you were a c*nt? If they did, then that was really wrong. I don’t have an issue with dialogue, but I won’t tolerate being trashed.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Look at the “Featured Comment” on this site. Are you saying you have no issue with calling people “Gun Humper?”
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Honestly, I don’t really know. I didn’t really pay attention to it. I would have to say I tend to react more to the profanity laced insults and death threats. Maybe I’m getting desensitized and shouldn’t. I appreciate the reality check. I enjoyed my guns. I loved target practice. My summer job as a kid was pulling targets at the range. I can’t hunt only because I can’t sit still in the woods. I have great respect for hunters and for expert marksmanship. I guess what I don’t have respect for are the people who use them as if they were some sort of accessory, instead of the respect a firearm requires. I guess it is a disrespectful term because I would like to believe there are more respectful gun owners than some of the more rather “extremist” groups. I guess when I see people stalking a group of Mom’s with long guns and sitting in a ready stance outside a store where they are holding a meeting painted a picture in my head. Then I see language like that, and I would have to say that makes it difficult to see humper the same. I could see how it would be upsetting to someone else though. I live in Maine and so I don’t have a dog in that fight with MDA. We voted on Open Carry and it passed. I didn’t want it, but that’s what the people wanted, so ok. I wound up following the MDA story because it seemed like bullying and intimidation of a group that wants to keep guns out of grocery stores. Doesn’t seem like a very big threat to me. I think what would make me nervous is having someone whip out a gun at a grocery store/convenience store to help save the day and shoot me or my kids. There are just some places that really don’t require firearms.
No one is coming to take the guns away. It didn’t happen when the Brady Bill was signed in, and I know they can’t take them away over not having them in a store. What is so wrong with conceal carry?
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 3:50 pm
As far as that goes, disrespectful language is disrespectful language. You can hardly claim the high moral ground when you attempt to demean those who believe differently than you.
Here in AZ, we have “Constitutional Carry”
That allows people to carry either open or concealed however they wish without having to put your name on a list. For many having their name on a list is what bothers them. For some it’s that their state’s requirements are so onerous that it is an effective ban(Illinois/New York). The Open Carry Texas crowd that you see with the AR-15’s and all going to grocery stores, it is about the silliness of the law that says it’s okay to carry the rifle, but not okay to carry a handgun. It’s them exercising their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.
Personally, I rarely carry. When I do, it’s because I’m hiking in the woods and, while I like to think my negotiating skills are pretty decent, I have yet to negotiate with a bear or other wild animal. It’s hard enough negotiating with my own dogs 😀 In those circumstances, I’d rather openly carry, as it is significantly easier to draw and fire. I certainly don’t want to be lifting shirt layers trying to get to a firearm as a bear is coming at me(yes we have bears in AZ Mexican Grey Wolves too).
How often have you been in a grocery store or convenience store and the store was being robbed? In fact the only people I know of who pulled their firearms during an armed robbery never had to fire a shot. How much better would you feel about a police officer responding and emptying his magazine at a bad guy and hitting you or a loved one. It’s been known to happen. In fact armed citizens have not been known to injure another person while in the act of self defense. There was a study conducted in Miami Dade that showed 0 innocent bystanders hit. Most likely because the one behind the gun is responsible for every bullet fired(if he’s not a cop). If I fire at a bad guy, and miss and hit you, I am liable for your injuries or death. If I kill you or a family member, I get slapped with manslaughter.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Look, I would love to respond but my kids are back. You took the time to create a dialogue and I will do the same. Oh, but you can leave out the whole “moral high ground” comment. I never claimed to be on a moral high ground, just stated what my personal boundaries are. After all, morality is subjective.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
Not talking about you claiming the moral high ground. Actually, I respect you for having a generally respectful dialogue with me. More that this site and it’s mod who felt they should have the moral high ground…
Sorry if it appeared I was accusing you of hypocrisy.
Mainah December 29th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Thanks. I appreciate it. I didn’t know AZ had bears. I thought it was desert? Anyways, my boy is chomping at the bit to use the computer. Winter break and all. I do have some views on the police officer scenario but he’s going to explode. He earned his grades and that’s our deal. This site isn’t bad, really. People will discuss opposing views with you and you may find that you have stuff in common.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Actually if you check my link, I have a blog that kinda goes into a lot of what is in AZ, some of it isn’t what you would think. For instance we actually have more shoreline in AZ than California, because of all the lakes.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
I believe it was another site, but one of the comments was that MDA actually helped Open Carry Texas’ cause.
By bringing out the absurdity that one can carry a rifle around where its legal, but not a modern handgun. They could open carry the old black powder handguns, but not modern ones.By bringing the issue to light, it helped to get a bill passed to get rid of the ban.
As for the store being robbed, depending on local laws, even if you are conceal carrying, you have a duty to retreat before you are legally allowed to pull your gun. That means that if you can safely get away from the situation, do so.
Tommycat December 29th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
Depends on the state. Some states allow you to intervene to prevent injury or loss of life to another person. Arizona allows you to step in to protect another.
There is no duty to protect others though, and even if you are allowed to carry legally without a permit(as is the case here in AZ) I STRONGLY recommend attending a CCW course anyway. Actually, even if you are not going to carry at all and just want to have a firearm I still recommend it. You get a whole lot of information in the course that a lot of people think they know, but often times are wrong. A good example is this one:
A man breaks into your home while you are there. You shoot him, and he makes it out your back door… Do you leave him there, or drag him back into the house? Amazingly many people think you should drag him back into the house. That’s called tampering with evidence, and what was a good thing will now be used against you.
Also, people need to understand that when they have to shoot someone in their home, or wherever, CALL A LAWYER! Seriously. after you call 911, you should call a lawyer. Let your lawyer do all the talking for you.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
we had a 2 hour session with the lawyer who wrote our state laws for conceal carry in my CCW class. It was quite enlightening.
I was trying to be broad in my statement about pulling one’s gun in a given situation. I know some states will allow pulling your gun and shooting the robber, while other places might throw you in jail for doing it.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
the way your kind refer to sex and make vile sexual comments , yes I do think you hump your gun or at least fondle it often
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:28 pm
you lie
Nathan S. December 29th, 2014 at 10:23 pm
“Ammosexual is a term that really has nothing to do with anything perverted.”
That’s an interesting take on it and one I had not considered before, probably because it is not how it is used by most people nor is it among the top definitions in any search engine. Comparing it to the term metrosexual, or any other -sexual, is also dependent upon the person self identifying with the label. Would you call anyone homo/bi/a/heterosexual if you didn’t, in fact, know that they were? I personally try not to.
Gin1234 December 29th, 2014 at 7:20 pm
You probably think gun nuts is a sexual reference too, don’t you.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:27 pm
so basically you think you have the right and the duty to sound like an inbred uneducated petulant child.
k0diak314 December 29th, 2014 at 10:56 am
Shannon and her ilk have blocked hundreds if not thousands of people on social media….The irony is nauseating. They value “dialog” but after they are shown the facts they stick their heads in the sand and block people they dont agree with.
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 11:58 am
In regards to disrespectful comments made towards Watts, respect goes both ways, must be earned, and she’s done neither. She makes a case against their rights then swiftly blocks them to make it appear that everyone sides with her position. If you’re going to make a case against someone’s rights, you should be prepared to justify that case and she refuses to do that. Furthermore, she barks out how evil guns are then hires men with guns. If I was a follower, I’d wonder why it’s OK for her but not for me. It’s been her position that citizens are far safer waiting for the police but she doesn’t wait for the police. She keeps them in her wallet. As far as her being told to get back in the kitchen, she brought that on herself when she demonized mothers that actually take responsibility for protecting their family. Her defenseless damsel in distress stance/mentality makes women look like they can’t stand on their own thus belong back in the kitchen. As a critical thinking woman and mother, her agenda and hypocrisy offends me. Rather than seeing the need to protect children from govt’s failure to protect anyone, she cries out for thicker GunSense lines in the sand for the freaks to step over. Not all the GunSense in the world will correct bad behavior, deter crime, or see into the future to know who will eventually snap. Her children don’t have to worry about that though because she provides protection for them. You and I…we’re not so lucky and she’d consider us evil for trying.
Go to their Facebook page and see if you can find any opposing comments. If you’re lucky enough to find one, capture it and wait a few minutes. Is it still there? If it is, the admin must be asleep at the wheel. While she stands on her slacktivist soapbox telling everyone else must do and give up for her cause, she gives up and does nothing for her cause. Maybe…just maybe, if she had some real skin in the game she’d be respected. For now, because respect is earned and goes both ways, she’s earned the comments you’re seeing.
At this point, gun owners have a real reason to be angry. We are fed up with giving things up and jumping through hoops for this cause. Truth be told, GunSense is just a new word for what the govt has been trying to do for decades via laws, regulations, bans, and ever expanding background checks that deter nothing and STILL can’t see into the future or stop those that skirt laws. Why do folks keep expecting the govt to do what it has no duty to do and historically failed to do for DECADES? I just don’t get it. GunSense doesn’t want to hear any of that though, right?
If you want to see why gun owners are angry just take a look at this:
http://youtu.be/LtTn45Y9ebc
eyelashviper December 29th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Possibly the worst metaphor ever, and such lack of reasoning, that I cannot stop laughing..
You sad guys with your gun phobias, fear of loss of such, and rampant paranoia…
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 5:29 pm
I tend to laugh at inappropriate times when I misunderstand things, as well. What part of the reasoning did you have trouble comprehending? Was it the part where gun owners were tired of “taking one for the team” while no one else on the team is sacrificing anything? Could it have been gun owners recognizing that the more laws are made the more they’re ignored and it’s leaving folks defenseless? Maybe it was the part where we wonder why it’s only us that recognize cops show up late to the party so why does GunSense want everyone to keep waiting for them? It very well could be that you don’t like being told to stop shirking your duty to protect yourself, or at the very least, stop expecting everyone else to shirk with you. That seems to be a common theme with GunSense. They really do like telling everyone what to do but hate being told what they must do. No matter how many stories about the police showing up late or how words on paper failing to keep an abuser away, their defenseless agenda and pseudo-morally superiority will get in the way of seeing the reality about society. So, please tell me again, what was it that confused you. I think gun owners have spoken quite clearly lately.
eyelashviper December 29th, 2014 at 6:38 pm
And WTF makes you think that I, or others here, who support all kinds of reasonable gun control, do not own guns???
Your jibberish is laughable.
Gin1234 December 29th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
Your need to be defended and to defend are part of your delusion. In 58 years I have never needed the defense of someone with a gun. That is not to say that I will never in my lifetime need to call the police, but your obsession with having to have a gun at all times to defend yourself is funny.
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 10:48 pm
“In 58 years I have never needed the defense of someone with a gun.”
I am happy for you and hope your life stays that way but this is exactly why you’ll never understand because you’ve never been forced to wait for help to come. You’ve got no skin in the game. What gives you the right to determine the how, when, or need to exercise a right? Would you want your rights, desires, or NEEDS determined by those that can’t even respect your basic rights? Rights are not based on need and need not be justified to you or anyone else.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
you have no reason, just sound bites and stupidity
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 10:25 pm
Yet you’ve failed to bring anything but insults. Am I to assume you’re simply unable to defend your position that govt has done an excellent job protecting citizens with their over efficient bureaucracy?
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
Actually, I was asking a similar question back when they were calling
for new laws. They told gun owners to compromise, yet they never said
what THEY were giving up with the new laws.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
They gave their dead children to your kind
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
Oh hon…don’t get it twisted. If it had been for our kind, Lanza would’ve been met with opposition. They were defenseless as a result of gun control legislation/policies that foolishly thought that words on paper would protect someone. The most tragic part of this is that you want them to stay that way. GunSense is a dangerously defenseless mindset. If you want to trust that Lanza would still be stopped by adding more words on paper, go for it but leave my kids out of it. I want them to have a fighting chance…not be in the ground while someone blames everything but failed gun control policies for their death.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Guns do not belong in schools. Period. If it hadn’t been a school it would have been somewhere else, he was sick. But feel free to go comment on the story of the 2 Amendment fan that killed his wife over the weekend. Let us know how guns would’ve fixed that one.
Krabtastic December 29th, 2014 at 11:45 pm
Unlike the domestic dispute that involved 2 individuals that didn’t drag others in the middle, he did choose to drag others in the middle of his nightmare by going to a school where the govt rendered them defenseless through laws and policies. If you truly believe that guns don’t belong there, then don’t soapbox on the deaths that happen there when your desires have been fulfilled. You don’t want guns there and they weren’t there but the policies didn’t make any plans to stop freaks that ignored your wishes and the individuals in the school paid the ultimate price for your wishes. You may have FELT safe that day but they WEREN’T safe that day. Job well done, GunSense. How many more lives is GunSense willing to sacrifice till the govt gets it right? They’ve only been working on it since the 30’s, right? They’re bound to get it right sooner or later. There’s always going to be a little collateral damage while they work out the bugs, right? Are you willing to offer your child’s life for their experiment? You shouldn’t have a problem considering you had no problem allowing those other children being offered up for your wish to “feel” safe rather than actually being safe. GunSense is too busy blaming everyone else for what happens as the result of their policies to see how they’re actually contributing to the problem they’re telling everyone else how to fix. The solution is there…stop pointing fingers and take a hard look in the mirror. Reality is a bitter pill to swallow and just because you refuse to swallow it doesn’t mean it ceases to exist.
Carla Akins December 30th, 2014 at 4:41 am
The odds of my child being shot by an “Adam Lanza” is 1 in 14 million, killed 1 in 7 million. The odds of my child being struck and killed by a random bullet while spending 5 days a week in a building with multiple firearms 1 in 1.3 million. I’ll take my chances – and before you start throwing blame around I’m the one that wants better screening jackass. I don’t want Adam Lanza’s to ever be able to put their hands on a gun. If efforts such as yours that continue to make it possible.
Everybody shouldn’t be able to get a fucking gun.
James December 30th, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Okay, would you please comment on how the gun laws stopped the liberal democrat in California from killing three with a gun and three with a knife? Or for that matter how all of the gun free zones have worked out? Columbine wasn’t a gun free zone? Newtown wasn’t a gun free zone? VA Tech? Navy Shipyard? CO movie theater? ALL gun free zones. So what exactly did your laws fix?
dragontech64 December 30th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
By your logic, we should throw out ALL laws, since making something illegal NEVER completely stops that activity from occurring. So we’ll just leave murder, robbery, drunk driving, fraud, assault, rape, etc as legal? Typical gun nut LACK of logic.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
so using filth instead of intelligence is your right…what children your and your kind are
Greg Starr December 29th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Sadly, you seem to have bought in to Ms. Watts’ (and her financier, Mr. Bloomberg’s) rhetoric. Ms. Watts (formerly a corporate mouthpiece for Monsanto….explain again how she is concerned with public safety?) didn’t speak out against gun ownership until after Sandy Hook….so it wasn’t a concern of hers while inner city minority children are being killed, only when affluent children die.
Her group consistently uses inaccurate data, skewed research, and out-of-date surveys.
When confronted with their errors, her followers go on the attack, threatening the individuals pointing out the errors, their children, trying to contact their employers to get them fired.
She also has followers who feel it is within their “rights” to call the police and lie about law-abiding gun owners who may be carrying in public, in hopes of getting them killed – not arrested – killed.
She has a following of people who seem to believe they know what’s best for the rest of society; that their phobias trump individual rights.
She has yet to explain how stricter gun laws will force criminals to comply. She has yet to offer real solutions for curbing violence. Instead, she strives for media attention on the backs of victims.
The misogynistic attacks are unprofessional and, frankly, miss the mark. She and her followers are much worse: an arrogant, narcissistic demagogue, with a billionaire suggar-daddy – both feeding off well-intentioned, but naive citizens, who may genuinely want to address gun violence (albeit I’m sure many just want something to do to make them feel superior while chatting over coffee), all to keep their names in the media.
Until I see them marching in South Chicago, Watts (oh, the irony!), Detroit, inner city D.C. or any other crime ridden neighborhood – without their armed security detail – they will be nothing more than another bunch of middle and upper-class hypocrites.
Scar December 29th, 2014 at 4:15 pm
CNN covering the 74 school shootings in the 18 months after Sandy Hook. updated 6-19-2014:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/
New York Times talking about assault weapons on 9-12-2014:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?_r=0
I wonder how Watts feels about those articles
Melissa Blank December 29th, 2014 at 4:34 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque: “To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, such behavior does not invalidate the position presented.”
Greg Starr December 29th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
However, purposefully publishing erroneous or skewed statistics does invalidate the position presented, as does the continued failure to present actual solutions (which would require actual research and work, and aren’t as likely to result in media attention. Mental health care, education, parenting: no reporter would cover those topics.). Add to that her group’s refusal to provide transparency into its finances (merging with another Bloomberg-funded group just before a deadline to file financial disclosure documents) and her calls for public safety and “what about the children” ring hollow.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:25 pm
only your kind are posting erroneous and skewed statistics
mari December 30th, 2014 at 12:09 am
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/08/21/aussie-politician-complains-about-u-s-gun-laws-but-gun-crime-in-sydney-is-out-of-control/
dragontech64 December 30th, 2014 at 4:23 am
Breitbart is such a load of lies and BS that when you post them as your ‘proof’ all you’ve proven is that you have drunk the Kool-Aid long and deep.
mari January 16th, 2015 at 1:12 am
better than posting a liberal source like CNN or snopes
dragontech64 January 16th, 2015 at 2:41 am
HAHHA. Snopes, a Liberal source, when they work their asses off to publish the TRUTH no matter if it supports Liberal or Conservative positions. The sad fact is, that conservative talking points are so devoid of facts, truth, honesty or integrity that anything posting the truth looks Liberal to Right Wingnut idiots.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:24 pm
waaa, do you gun humps always post such lame cut/paste babble?
mari December 30th, 2014 at 12:08 am
and by your very comments TM you are indicative of every anti gunner i have ever come across on MDA, Everytown or MAIG… you belittle, and denigrate anyone who does not have the same opinion as yourself.
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
You do realize that the moment that ANYONE doesnt agree with her on her
“pages” they get blocked/banned also.
You drank the Koolaid
OldLefty December 29th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Funny.
I thought you were talking about Sarah Palin.
ShelleysLeg December 29th, 2014 at 4:06 pm
And YOU do realize the NRA blocked her twitter account, NOT the other way around?
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Yes. I can read.
YOU do realize that ANYTIME you dont agree with HER opinion or question it for the matter you get banned/blocked from her “pages” also.
Whats wrong with someone treating her exactly as she treats others?
Nothing?
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:29 pm
nope, when you use your typical filth then you are blocked. Try behaving as a grownup
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 7:34 pm
Do you know the questions I asked, the stuff I posted?
Great job making acusations that I didnt “behave as a grownup”.
Shocked, not even…Kinda quick on the trigger dont you think?
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:41 pm
you make excuses for the language and whine about, of course I will take your word for what you are
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Please.
Read above, point out any excuse or any whining.
All I said was that she deserved what she got, MANY pages just like hers block/ban you the moment you ask questions or offer up a different train of thought. I can easily have a civil conversation, when the same is offered.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:49 pm
lol, and there ya go.
mari December 30th, 2014 at 12:06 am
trouble is Norm you can be polite as anything and still be abused by MDA and their followers…I even got told i had a small penis and I am a female…. I will NOT become a victim just so that anti gunners can dance on my grave like they have others. I will defend my family and my home, especially when the police take at least 20-30 minutes to respond.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:00 pm
The story and the issue at hand is not that they blocked her – or that she blocks them, but the filthy responses she received from NRA supporters.
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 8:02 pm
NRA/Firearms/2A supporters?
Its not like people that support her have nothing but nice things to say.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:10 pm
But calling her those names, death threats – really?
Norm Chaplin December 29th, 2014 at 8:13 pm
Are you saying that the Anti-gun, MDA and other “like” venues dont do the same?
Wishing that gun owners kids get killed with their weapons, Threatening to call the cops on people “open-carrying” in hopes the cops come and shoot them on site?
Its a two way street.
Carla Akins December 29th, 2014 at 8:20 pm
Do they wish your children dead, call you a cunt, threaten to rape you?
As a matter of point, if I see someone walking down the street with a rifle strapped to their back – I’m calling 911. I do not know this person’s intent, nor should I be required to determine the intent. This is why we have law enforcement. There is no way to know if it’s the next Adam Lanza or CJ Grisham but I am not risking my family’s life worrying about hurting some jackass’s feelings.
CatInCT December 30th, 2014 at 6:19 am
I hope that you are pleased with the results of that. Thanks to people like you, at least two innocent people have been killed by police recently while carrying toy guns. Why don’t you explain to John Crawford and Tamir Rice’s families how “sensible” and “reasonable” it is to call 911 every time you think you see a gun. Law enforcement does such a great job in these situations. See how many more deaths of innocent people you can cause.
OldLefty December 30th, 2014 at 6:41 am
Are you auditioning for The Onion?
You sound like gun control advocate posing as a gun nut to make them look foolish.
Carla Akins December 30th, 2014 at 6:50 am
You’re an idiot. the deaths of Rice and Crawford lie directly at the feet of systemic abuse of authority. If you are in fear for your life you should be able to call 911 and have law enforcement respond properly. To say it’s a reasonable expectation is a tremendous understatement.
Keeping guns out the hands of children, the mentally and the too stupid to be responsible has absolutely nothing to do with their deaths. You and your attitude that any and everyone should carry a gun is dangerous to the public at large. JFC, please.
James December 30th, 2014 at 3:04 pm
Meanwhile, on just about every internet forum ever about 2A/gun control you will see comment after comment from gun control Nazis about how 2A supporters are compensating for having small penises. Oh, the irony. Don’t like it? Don’t dish it out.
Carla Akins December 30th, 2014 at 5:28 pm
Right. I’m the must vulgar person here. However, you are fine with condoning the things said to Watts, okay. Nowhere in any of these 1400 comments do you see me call anyone a Nazi or refer to their penis size. These insults are also far from threatening to kill her family or pray she gets raped. There’s truly no comparison. The point was if you think this behavior is okay – you must condone it. They weren’t my words but those of the lovely NRA supporters. I simply made the analogy to put it in context for you. Some find it difficult to put themselves in another’s shoes. My family gun-friendly family is very proud of me and supports reasonable regulations. You’re welcome.
Guest December 29th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Yes. I can read. But whats wrong with someone treating her exactly as she treats others?
Nothing?
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Take your meds and you will realize that talking to yourself can be managed
Kara December 29th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Goodness the level of education of those that support the NRA is abysmal. That is the best way they can think of to get their message across? It’s more like a poster for folks who aren’t intelligent enough to respect a gun.
Greg Starr December 29th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Really? Sweeping generalizations. Would you care to compare educational backgrounds?
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
No, she has better things to do then argue with a gun troll
CatInCT December 30th, 2014 at 6:02 am
Nobody has more respect for guns than NRA supporters. OTH, there is the endless stream of the same tired, juvenile insults and threats directed at every gun owner in the country from busybodies who havd nothing better to do than attack people who have passed all the background checks, obtained all the training, paid all the fees and legally own guns. Thankfully, you are failing because every talking point is a lie. Even after the lies have been debunked, you just keep trotting them out. Maybe you all should get some education, particularly in the difference between journalism and propaganda.
OldLefty December 30th, 2014 at 6:50 am
Nobody has more respect for guns than NRA supporters.
______
See?
Parody again.
As Mike, The Gun Guy, Weisser said;
“Gun owners should marginalize the members of our shooting fraternity who don’t know how to behave, don’t lock up their guns, don’t exercise diligence in selling or giving a gun to someone else. I don’t care what anyone says, there are effective laws that can protect our gun rights while, at the same time, penalize gun owners who commit irresponsible acts.”
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:41 am
You would be surprised who are gun owners. How about that Doctor that carried his firearm into work and saved many lives from the deranged killer? I know of a few nurses that carry all the time. EMTs carry where their work requires them to go into dangerous part of the cities. A lot of those are NRA supporters. If you are about to be raped…what would rather have? A gun, whistle, or your phone?
ChiGurh18 December 29th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
“Anomaly 100 Mod • a day ago
Note: We are dealing with an influx of trolls who were sent here from
a Gun Humper Facebook page. Apparently, the majority are in support of
calling a woman vile names.
Keep the comments clean or they will be removed. We’re all up in this thread and our readers will not be abused.
Thanks!”
This is why society fascinates the hell out of me. Says to keep the comments clean after calling an interest website ‘Gun Humper’. That’s like me saying, “That crazy bitch Shannon Watts sent a bunch of trolls over here. No Ad Hominem attacks please.” Hilarious, this society of ours.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:22 pm
so you are one of those gun hump trolls and are whining
ChiGurh18 December 29th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
…Annnnnd, another one bites the dust.
James December 30th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
So a story about the misogyny and you retaliate with misandry? “Gun Humpers” is exactly the kind of garbage that prevents this “honest discussion about guns” your side claims to want. Go ahead now and tell me how small my penis is, isn’t that the next step in your liberal textbook?
Greg Starr December 29th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
Regarding the much-touted claim of “74 school shootings” since Sandy Hook, as with anything, read the fine print. This number, first dropped into the media circus by the Everytown organization (another Bloomberg-funded group), considers any incident involving the discharge of a fire arm to be a “school shooting”….which is disingenuous, given most people would not conside two criminals shooting at each other on school property on a Sunday evening to be a “school shooting”. But spin is everything nowadays, so it pays to do your own research….much like the statistic that “95% of the public” want stronger background checks. Really? When was the last time 95% of the American public agreed on anything? If you’re going to publish numbers, at least make them credible.
tracey marie December 29th, 2014 at 7:21 pm
are you an ammosexual and angry that your kind are being called out for your abhorrent behavior?
CatInCT December 30th, 2014 at 5:52 am
What sort of sexual deviance causes someone to make inappropriate sexual comments to strangers?
paginger December 30th, 2014 at 10:45 am
the antis are obsessed with penis references
James December 30th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Meanwhile, in your tiny malfunctioning brain you fail to see the hypocrisy in calling someone an “ammosexual” while complaining about the supposed “abhorrent behavior” of SOME 2A supporters. Tell me, do you also tell 2A supporters that they are compensating for having small penises? For some reason you antis are all obsessed about the size of men’s penises….
mari December 30th, 2014 at 12:02 am
is this the same Shannon Watts who blocked and deleted me and the post i put on MDA page about facts and figures of gun control NOT working in Australia???? The same Ms Watts who refused to debate with me about the pros and cons of gun control and even sent me a threatening message hoping i would die by gun shot? Please report the facts, not fear mongering. I and several others have been blocked by Ms Watts and her crowd, for polite factual posts, nothing more and nothing less. Yet everyday i see nasty, murderous comments being thrown at gun owners by MDA members.
Gordon J Davis Jr December 30th, 2014 at 10:32 am
Now lets talk about all the anti-civil rights groups like MDA and Everytown that delete posts and ban people who voice dissenting opinions on their forums.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
paginger December 30th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Meanwhile she blocks anyone that disagrees with her in the slightest. I guess that means they are all winning too? The anti-gunners make reference to men’s penises all day long but that doesn’t make them sexist. Oh the hypocrisy
Chris Infadel Rose December 30th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
I’ve been blocked from her page, Everytown and just about every other anti-gun gun page just for having a differing opinion. I’ve been courteous and never have gotten rude or stooped to name calling and insults. I have tried to have reasonable debates with factual data, but these people and group’s want none of this. These people are hypocrites, they block any opposition and want a echo chamber for sheep to flock in while they spout half truths and misinformation.
So for her to brag that she got banned from a pro gun site like it’s this horrible unthinkable evil done only to her when her and her crew do the same is nothing but a double standard and pure hypocrisy.
James December 30th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
So every time gun control lovers respond to “sensible discussion about guns” by saying that men are compensating for small penises, that’s somehow not sexist? Hmm, seems like a double-standard to me but that’s what liberals are all about…YOU follow THEIR rules, THEY don’t follow THEIR rules.
William December 30th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
I agree. They should leave your penis out of it.
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:35 am
William, you being a former cop, I guess only good cops should have guns?
William December 31st, 2014 at 10:47 am
Hey Skippy, instead of getting all huffy and paranoid because you’re frightened of a woman’s views on gun control, why not check into the many articles about the senseless shootings.
The fundamental difference between me and you and your ilk is that when I took off my weapon, I was still the very same person I was before I put it on.
and yes I believe bad cops should not have guns.
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:30 am
Facts: (all facts can be found on CDC, MADD, and search engines)
Smoking deaths: 159,000. So lets do a full out right ban on all cigarettes. Why isn’t there any “smoking sense?”
Drunk Driving Deaths: 10,000. So lets ban cars and alcohol. Why isn’t there any “alcohol sense?”
Car Accident deaths: 35,000. Why are cars designed to go over the speed
limit? Why are these death traps designed to hold up 8+ more people?
If we limit cars to holding 2 people, deaths would go down? Why isn’t
there any “car sense?”
Death by Malpractice: 100,000 to 200,00 and
maybe 400,000. So lets ban Doctors, Hospitals, Nursing Homes, etc?
Lets limit people visits to the doctor and hospitals. This would
decrease the deaths.
Firearm related deaths are not even in the top
ten: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6208a8.htm
When seconds count, police are minutes away. No “gun sense” will prevent a criminal from getting his/her hands on a firearm.
Fist_of_Doom December 31st, 2014 at 10:34 am
Lets do it for the children: Between 2004 and 2005, an estimated 71,000 children (18 or younger) were seen in EDs each year because of medication overdose (excluding
self-harm, abuse and recreational drug use). Lets have some “legal drug sense” and ban all medicine.
Tyler Ward January 1st, 2015 at 3:05 am
If the NRA blocking Shannon W. is a sign that they are scared of her message, then what does it say about Moms Demand Action, who’s probably blocked 10’s of thousands of people who’ve dissented on their Facebook page???? This is just one of many reasons Moms Demand Action is a joke, and should be considered such. Oh well, if you can spin it, you can win it. That seems to be the strategy that MDA brass are operating under.
Tyler Ward January 1st, 2015 at 2:55 pm
I should also note that I completely disagree with all the people calling sexist names and such, but it’s the internet, so what do you expect? Frankly, the anti-gun people have no moral high ground on this issue, considering that a post that calls us “gun humpers” is a “featured post” on this article….. Irony much? I guess when they call us “ammosexuals” and talk about penis size, that’s ok, right?
Jeffry Bankston March 26th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Oh I forgot To come back and tell you Carla you Obama supports can All lick my nut sack. Can’t even ban bullets Loser’s
Carla Akins March 27th, 2015 at 5:16 am
I will be so glad once you get past 3rd grade and are able to construct a coherent sentence.