[su_upd]Gunmen Kill 12 In Paris At Satirical Newspaper
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A huge manhunt is under way in Paris after three masked and hooded gunmen armed with Kalashnikovs and a rocket-launcher stormed the offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo this morning, killing 12 people – including two policemen – before escaping in a hijacked car.
One of the men was captured on video shouting “Allah!” as four shots rang out. Two assailants were then seen calmly leaving the scene.
A police union official said the assailants remained at liberty and there were fears of further attacks.
Charlie Hebdo is well known for courting controversy with satirical attacks on political and religious leaders and has published numerous cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad. The last tweet on its account mocked Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the militant Islamic State, which has taken control of large swathes of Iraq and Syria.
The Guardian reports that some of the dead have been identified by media sources:
Four of the Charlie Hebdo journalists believed to have been killed in today’s attack have been named by French media.
They are the magazine’s editor and cartoonist, Stéphane Charbonnier, known as Charb; and three other cartoonists: Cabu, Georges Wolinski and Bernard Verlhac, known as Tignous. The Guardian is awaiting official confirmation of these names.
Also from The Guardian:
Press Association reports that Charlie Hebdo’s editor-in-chief, Gérard Biard, escaped the attack because he was in London:
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John_St_John January 7th, 2015 at 10:04 am
The freaks with firearms are not just confined to the United States. We just have a greater percentage of them it seems like.
Wayout January 7th, 2015 at 10:06 am
So when was the last time someone here was shot because of free speech?
Foundryman January 7th, 2015 at 10:51 am
May 4, 1970
dave-dr-gonzo January 7th, 2015 at 11:05 am
Not the last time, but among the most notable. And since we know he’s oh-so-grateful for being set straight, don’t hesitate to add, “You’re welcome!” anytime you correct Wayoff.
Pilotshark January 7th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvg4n8Txgdc
Foundryman January 7th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
I’m a lifer Ohioian, I was 16 in ’70… I wasn’t there but I remember that day like it was yesterday.
I love that song…
John_St_John January 7th, 2015 at 11:07 am
2009 in the person of Dr. George Tiller. Who is joined in death with Dr. David Gunn, Dr. John Britton, James Barrett, Shannon Lowney, Lee Ann Nichols, Robert Sanderson, Dr. Barnett Slepian. All killed because they believed in freedom of speech and freedom from over bearing religious authorities and their hyper religious sycophants telling women how to act and what they can and cannot do with their bodies.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
I believe that the overwhelming majority of Christians condemn these killings just as the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemn the Paris killings.
John_St_John January 7th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
But that is not the nexus of the question that brought about my response. The question was who has been killed for expressing their freedom of speech with a firearm in the United States? I responded with a very small list in fact, as there are far more names that could be included.
tracey marie January 7th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
nonsense, they still call it a justified murder
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
I mentioned two groups of people. Who does “they” refer to? Christians, Muslims, or both?
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
“I believe that the overwhelming majority of Christians condemn these killings…”
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Sure they did – AFTER they found out that the majority of Americans don’t look favorably upon “pro-life murderers”, and it hurt the “pro-life” movement considerably.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
I have known a lot of Christians in my life, and I have never known anyone who would support murdering an abortion provider. And if someone said that, I and everyone I know would have very strong words for them. I live in PA. I haven’t traveled much in other parts of the country. Maybe things are different in other regions, but around here everyone I know would vote to convict in that scenario.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
“…everyone I know would vote to convict in that scenario.”
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Yes – NOW you would. Now that you know killing doctors is not doing the pro-life movement any good. Did you know in 1994, “Rev” Paul Hill was considered a martyr for killing Dr. Britton and his aide? Many viewed it as “justifiable homicide” and he was hailed as a saint. One priest actually said; “God smiles on those who take a life to save the lives of the ‘unborn.”. What kind of dumbf*ck says something like that?
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
#NAACPBOMBING
tracey marie January 7th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
gabby giffords, NAACP, pp clinics….
OldLefty January 7th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
When those who died in the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church were killed.
Then we had Alan Berg.
Two that jump to mind.
Plus that is the difference when we do not have the Christian or Jewish Republic of… that claims secular instead of scriptural law.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Please clarify Lefty. I know of no islamic country that has secular law.
OldLefty January 7th, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Please clarify Lefty. I know of no islamic country that has secular law.
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That is the point, I think Turkey does.
I think that when governments sanction religion, and govern according to scripture, that give the wackos license.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Thanks for replying so promptly. Yes, Turkey and a few others. I had to google it. I was curious myself. I saw the map, with no names. I’ll get back to you on names.
Funny when I saw Turkey…I have quite a few close friends in Turkey…lol- thank god they are not on here. They’d laugh. They all have a zest for life and are much more aligned to the EU than the middle east. They proudly show their shenagigans on fb videos. They love their food, drink and dancing. 🙂
OldLefty January 7th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
Yep.
I understand that the big controversy there is that some think that Muslims should at LEAST not drink in public during Ramadan. ;-]
Good Night.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 9:50 pm
All my friends reside in Bodrum, on the Aegean sea. The only god they follow is Neptune.
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 6:24 am
Wow.
Do you visit?
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 9:19 pm
sorry, well said…yes it does give the wackos license.
The British government has stated by their best guesstimates that there are over 50,000 extremists in their country alone. Hmmm, that’s more than a few bad apples and that’s just in the UK. And we all know what happens when bad apples are allowed to contaminate the barrel.
Wayout January 7th, 2015 at 10:06 am
Tomorrow there should be 100,000 Parisians on the streets carrying signs with the same cartoon that these evil Muslims were so upset about.
dave-dr-gonzo January 7th, 2015 at 11:05 am
I think you meant to write “extremist, right-wing, Cliven-Bundy-esque, militia members on the far-right fringe of the Muslim faith”, Wayoff.
Hey, you’re welcome!
rational_thinking_one January 7th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
Why are you defending these Muslim extremists? Cliven Bundy never killed anyone. I don’t like they guy or what he stands for, but you look stupid comparing him to these murderers.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
clives militia put women and children on the front line ahead of the douches w/guns
rational_thinking_one January 7th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Ok. I don’t like the dude either. But how is he even being mentioned in the same conversation as this tragic event in France? They have nothing to do with one another. Muslim extremists are horrible people. Nothing Cliven Bundy does or says will change that. Or whether or not Republicans love Cliven. Or the media covers him more.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
It is not so much bundy but his militia that is being called out, why is it ok to point an AR-15 at police and not be arrested and even be hailed as patriots.
Aun Awn January 7th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
I would take libertarian extremists over Islamic extremists any day of the week, you can’t even really compare their type of extremisms
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Glad to know you support the killing of the people who defend you.
tracey marie January 7th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
so is cliven and militia extremists, the only reason no one died is because the GOVERNMENT backed down to prevent a mass shoot out and killing
GreatLakeSailor January 7th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
Just how does Doc Gonzo’s description refinement of these murderers constitute a defense of them?
mea_mark January 7th, 2015 at 10:10 am
Extreme right-wing fundamental muslims sure have tender fee fee’s. They’re like little children, only they have guns and think violence can solve the problems created by their delusions.
Aun Awn January 7th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Saw this on reddit.
Sir Winston Churchill:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”
Still true today.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
You might have had more credibility had you said you saw it on the Onion, yea reddit that’s where I go to get true quotes…../s
OldLefty January 7th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
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And yet it was the Brits who supported the Wahhabs in their fight against the Ottomans for cheaper access to the Persian Gulf.
It was the Brits and the Americans who supported the Muslim Brotherhood over Nasser over nationalization of the Suez Canal.
It was the Brits and the Americans who supported radical Islam in Pakistan over socialist democracy in India.
As Saadat Hasan Manto wrote in, “Letters to Uncle Sam” in the 1950’s, ‘Why not just arm the mullahs directly so that ??’
“If this gang of mullahs is armed in the American style, the Soviet Union that hawks communism and socialism in our
country will have to shut shop….”
Anyone who tried to warn them were called communists.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
“Extreme right-wing fundamental Muslims sure have tender fee fee’s”
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Much like the extreme right-wing fundamentalists who trash gays and trans genders, who bomb clinics and Mosques, terrorize women in crisis and kill doctors. They too, are like little children who have guns and think violence can solve the problems created by their delusions.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 11:25 am
It is my understanding that Charlie Hebdo was not mocking Islam. They were mocking the extremist ideology of ISIS and their ilk. If 100,000 people marched and carried signs with cartoons mocking the Westboro Baptist Church, mainstream Christians would not mind one bit. In fact, many would join the protest. The main difference is that the Westboro Baptists don’t use Kalashnikovs.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
#NAACPBOMBING…….FIFY, no need to thank me.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
“… Charlie Hebdo was not mocking Islam. They were mocking the extremist ideology of ISIS and their ilk.”
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That may be true, but why try to deliberately instigate trouble knowing full well there are unhinged extremists out there just itching for a fight? It’s like poking a sleeping bear with a stick, and then whining when he mauls you.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
So are you saying that cartoonists in the US shouldn’t mock far-right extremists because that might provoke them to assassinate members of the media? It took a long time to catch the Unabomber. Maybe everyone should have just avoided controversial subjects so as not to provoke him. If you are willing to confront American/Christian extremists, then why would you be against the French confronting Arab/Muslim extremists?
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Let’s face it. Christians don’t take their religious beliefs as seriously as Muslims. Everybody knows that, which is why nobody really cares what the Westboro Baptist Church does.
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Now, I’m not against the French confronting Arab/Muslim extremists. I’m against French journalists deliberately poking a hornet’s nest, which is what started this whole fiasco in the first place.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
As I posted else where. I find it abhorrent to mock the icon of any religion. As a former member of the military please don’t ask for anyone to defend your right to do so.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
I’m not mocking any religious icon. I’m saying the French journalist was wrong for deliberately starting trouble by ridiculing the prophet Mohammed, knowing full well that this will send the religious Islamic extremists into a frenzy.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Why has everyone become apologists for Islam? Bunch of pussys.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
I’m not an apologist for Islam. I’m just saying it would have been wiser to let sleeping dog lie. It wasn’t necessary to stir up trouble.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
I hear you.
Is there anything that doesn’t offend Islam? From a womens perspective Islam offend me.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 9:51 pm
I’m not too crazy about their treatment of women either, but I give them credit for being upfront with their beliefs. They think women are nothing but lowly slaves, born and bred only to please men.
Christians, on the other hand, like to sugar-coat their misogyny.
Instead of saying, “men should have control over their women” they say things like, “women should be forced to carry and give birth, regardless if the conception was the result of gang rape or molestation”.
With regard to men cheating on their wives, instead of blaming the man for screwing around on his wife with his 20-year-old secretary, the wife is accused of “not meeting her husband’s needs”, or “she didn’t do enough to make herself desirable to her man”.
Instead of saying, “women are too stupid to be doctors, lawyers and CEO’s”, we’re told, “women should do what they do what God intended for them to do – have babies and keep house”.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
Oh Dear.
I’ll take the sugar coated, over the deadly stoning. Thanks.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
I agree – which is why I tolerate the sugar-coating here in the states, and prefer to stay as far away from Arab countries.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
When my tax dollars goes to supporting, any religious institution, your damn right I’ll express my opinion. They get a free ride. I don’t.
And Political Correctness be damned.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
The internet and modern communications have made Western cultural influences much more prevalent in the Arab/Muslim world. The younger generation has internet access. They see Western movies and media, and they like it. They are breaking with tradition. This is causing a predictable reaction among the traditionalists. Why do they care about our cartoons? Because they don’t want their kids to see that stuff. They are losing the battle against Western cultural influences that appeal to younger Arab Muslims, and they are getting desperate. That’s why they want to shut down Charlie Hebdo.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 8:17 pm
And because it was so important for this journalist to trash the prophet Mohammed, 12 people are dead. Was his little joke worth 12 lives? I don’t think so.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Do you recall the controversial artwork called the “Piss Christ”? It caused quite a controversy some years back. It was a photograph of a small crucifix submerged in a jar of the artist’s urine. Suppose that a small group of fundamentalist Christians had killed the artist and eleven of his fellow artists. Would you say that the artist had provoked this attack? Would you ask whether “his little joke was worth twelve lives”?
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 9:22 pm
I would have been shocked by the sheer hypocrisy of it all. Christians are forever touting their tolerance, patience and understanding. Killing people over a tasteless stunt is stupid – much like murdering doctors because republican Jesus doesn’t like their occupation.
Robert M. Snyder January 7th, 2015 at 9:32 pm
You didn’t answer my question. I would like to know if you hold Christians and Muslims to the same standard. Are radical Muslims and radical Christians equally responsible for their behavior? Or are you making excuses for Muslims that you would not make for Christians? Please provide a direct answer.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
I don’t make excuses for anybody. Personally, I don’t like organized religion and prefer if all of them lived in the real world instead of blaming their bad behavior and acts of terrorism on their imaginary God/Allah.
And yes, radical Muslims and radical Christians are equally responsible for their bad (and idiotic) behavior. The only difference, I think, is that Muslims tend to be more violent and less reasonable. I think it’s best we don’t tease these psychotic religious nutjobs. It’s not good for my health.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Faux news does that on a daily basis. They are protected by the 1st amendment.
So the French aren’t entitled to free speech?
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
The French can say whatever they want, but if they were smart, they’d know their words mat have a catastrophic effect. Case in point, Bill O’Reilly and his nasty, ad nauseum, rants against Dr. Tiller.
Jaz January 7th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Sorry Bunya, being a Canadian, I didn’t really follow that case. I’m pro abortion, either way. We had our own Tiller doctor up here,by the name of Henry Morgantaler, and we have legal abortions here. It was a sad day, when he too, became a victim of ideologist thinking
True Democracy is an uphill battle and it will take victims as it sees fit.
We’ve a long way to go.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Bill O’Relly was forever trashing Dr. Tiller, accusing him of killing babies. Some unstable guy who was convinced that Dr. Tiller was literally killing babies, maybe breaking into hospital nurseries and chopping up newborns, shot the doctor dead in his church.
When it was suggested that O’Reilly may have been a contributing factor to the murder because of his constant barrage of falsehoods directed against the doctor, he couldn’t defend himself enough; “What? Who me? I had nothing to do with this murder! I was in New York and this happened in Kansas! I’m just an innocent talk show host who may have brought up the doctor’s name once in a while”.
Bill O’Reilly is a real asswipe.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
A building that was used by the NAACP was bombed yesterday and it gets no coverage yet if it happened outside a theater it would be covered 24/7 on msm. Anyone else see the irony of the situation.
rational_thinking_one January 7th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
It might have more to do with the fact that 12 people died in France.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
Terrorism on the Black community is marginalized, deaths of Blacks are of little interest to the msm media.
rational_thinking_one January 7th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
C’mon! Are you implying that the Ferguson events, Trayvon Martin, and “I can’t breath” protests didn’t get coverage from MSM?! You are reaching old man.
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
It wasn’t the death of eithe individual that was covered it was the reaction to the protests in Ferguson and the defense of gz that were covered.
This summer a white idiot killed 1 trooper and wounded another in a SELF CONFESSED ATTEMPT TO START A WAR ON POLICE.
A loser with nothing left in his life killed 2 cops in NY and there was 24/7 coverage on fox on how Blacks and Al Sharpton are responsible.
Now do see the double standard or are you going to ignore that it exists?
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
btw Since you choose to hurl insults and hide behind a faceless avi tends to label you as a troll.
tracey marie January 7th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
old man, how about I call you asshole
rational_thinking_one January 7th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
Who knew there was such a liberal love for Muslim terrorists? Comparing the NAACP bombing and Cliven Bundy to this tragic event make you all look desperate to defend the indefensible.
tracey marie January 7th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
lol, says the fraidy kat
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
It’s being reported the the cop laying on the sidewalk that was shot point blank was a Muslim, when will the insanity end!
edmeyer_able January 7th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Msnbc says 1 terrorist dead and 2 in custody.
Bunya January 7th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
I don’t “slut shame”. It’s beneath me. I contend that this journalist KNEW his cartoon would set off the the mentally unstable religious screwballs, perhaps causing mayhem – and he didn’t care.
If you think that killing in the name of an imaginary deity is flaky, then yes, we’re in complete agreement.
Robert M. Snyder January 8th, 2015 at 12:03 am
I don’t “slut shame”.
You just did. Substitute woman for artist, and rapist for terrorist in what you just wrote. You’re basically saying the artists deserved what they got because of their behavior. That’s the essence of slut shaming.
Bunya January 8th, 2015 at 9:43 am
Where did I say anybody deserved to be killed? Do you just make things up as you go along? If so, you should really apply for a job a Fox “News”.
I said this journalist deliberately incited violence and he therefore has blood on his hands.
Bunya January 8th, 2015 at 9:43 am
Where did I say anybody deserved to be killed? Do you just make things up as you go along? If so, you should really apply for a job a Fox “News”.
I said this journalist deliberately incited violence and he therefore has blood on his hands.