Marco Rubio’s Alternative To Obamacare Signs Up 42 People
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Marco Rubio set up Florida Health Choices, which is totally putting President Obama to shame.
Taxpayers had to initially fork over $900,000, and Rubio’s brainiac health care alternative garnered an entire 30 sign ups.
That’s in contrast to the 1.6 million sign ups for Obamacare in Florida.
Without offering subsidies, the fantastic, stick-it-to-the-poor, alternative helped all of these people:
With the open enrollment period over on Feb. 15, the numbers are in. A total of 42 consumers enrolled for health care plans this year and another nine people obtained other insurance coverage on the state marketplace. Their total premiums: $253,170.
The state has spent $2.4 million to run the program, despite signing up fewer than 50 Floridians, said Rose Naff, CEO of the state exchange.
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illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:09 am
Sorry, but if Obamacare was so great, they wouldn’t have felt the need to make it “mandatory”, with penalties and everything. I will continue to rail against it, on that principle, alone. NO ONE tells me what to do with MY money.
Hirightnow February 26th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Thanks for paying my ER bill.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:34 am
I haven’t, because I haven’t had a hospital stay, ever. I get my once-a-year checkup, then keep my ass as far from the quack’s office as possible.
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:47 am
I haven’t, because I haven’t had a hospital stay, ever
born at home eh?
Homeschooled as well?
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
I wasn’t liable for any hospital stays in infancy. My parents were. I’ll re-state that, to only cover my adult life.
Budda February 26th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
No man is an”island”. You are part of this society, so pay your dues, otherwise go live off the grid in Armpit Alaska or whereever.
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
My “dues” are not to pour money into yet another useless and wasteful bureaucracy. I don’t “owe” the crooks… um… I mean, “elected officials”, another DIME of my HARD-EARNED money. If they think all this “gimme” crap is a great idea, let THEM pay for it. I like to actually enjoy the fruits of MY labors.
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 3:39 am
You pay taxes don’t you so you DID pay Hirightnow’s ER bill. ;o))
Larry Schmitt February 27th, 2015 at 9:02 am
Even for a for profit hospital, because they write off unpaid bills on their taxes.
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Ya got that right.
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:40 pm
That wouldn’t be the case, if the government kept its nose out of healthcare. 🙂
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Sorry but if Obamacare is so bad why do you need to lie about it?
“NO ONE tells me what to do with MY money.”
Troll fail level historical.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:32 am
I have no problem paying into social security or even into a healthcare plan, if it’s going to be fair and equitable. But, there are people who CAN’T afford coverage, because they don’t qualify for any kind of assistance. I would encourage them, if they can’t afford the policy, to not pay the penalty, either. If the government is going to mandate the purchase of ANYTHING, they should guarantee its affordability for EVERYONE. Otherwise, a LOT of civil disobedience is in order.
I, personally don’t have to worry about it, because my employer decided to cover the increased costs and kept my end of things the same. But, I have a friend who lost his insurance, because he couldn’t afford the higher EVERYTHING and didn’t qualify for assistance. He just filed his taxes and paid what he owed, minus the penalty. He added a note, telling them that he has no intention of paying the penalty and that they should just hold their breath until he changes his mind. Good for him.
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 11:41 am
So when your friend shows up at the county emergency room, can the taxpayers in your state decide not to pay his bill?
Personally, I would support a formal opt-out of the requirement to have health insurance. That same legislation would also specifically prohibit anyone who has opted out, from claiming medical expenses in any bankruptcy filing.
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:46 am
I couldn’t have said it better. The right complains about the poor getting “free stuff”. When there exists legislation to mandate insurance and more importantly legislation that prevents deadbeats from sticking working people with an ER visit for an ingrown toenail, they whine even louder.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Not at all. I just believe that they should have the choice. Not a mandate. If they choose not to contribute, they’re on the hook for whatever expenses they incur. For me, it’s a matter of personal choice AND personal responsibility.
William February 26th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
they’re on the hook for whatever expenses they incur.
You might want to go look up a legal term/slang called “Judgment proof”. If a person has no assets then there is no collection. It’s the same scenario that mandates car insurance so that the slug who rear ended your new car can’t just shrug his shoulders and say “sorry no money”.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
If they can exempt student loans, they can exempt medical bills. Just wait until the individual has something worth selling, then have an auction. Or, wait until he has a job and garnish his wages.
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
So all of that administrative overhead cost for the government that would not be necessary if people simply obtained health insurance.
I fail to see how that makes any sense.
And student loans are not exempt from bankruptcy discharge. Requirements are stricter but those loans can be discharged.
William February 26th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
“Just wait until the individual has something worth selling, then have an auction. Or, wait until he has a job and garnish his wages.”
So that’s your plan?
That’s you alternative to health insurance? Make medical care non dischargeable and WAIT until the debtor has some money. Well THAT would certainly compel the subject to get off the dole and get a job eh? Are there any other industries that should be granted non dischargeable status while you’re on the subject?
Really? Did you read what you wrote before you clicked?
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
Once again, if it works for the student loan industry, it’ll work here, too. If you see a difference in motivation, please point it out. A debt is a debt.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:55 am
I have no problem with that. If you can be on the hook for student loan debt, you can be on the hook for medical bills. People SHOULD be made to cover their debts.
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:42 am
If the government is going to mandate the purchase of ANYTHING, they should guarantee its affordability for EVERYONE. Otherwise, a LOT of civil disobedience is in order.
You mean like car insurance?
But I digress.
“But, I have a friend who lost his insurance, because he couldn’t afford the higher EVERYTHING and didn’t qualify for assistance
My right wing bullsh!t meter goes off whenever I see “I have a friend who, I know a guy who, or this was this one guy”. Stuff like that.
Stick to facts please.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Well, since I know the guy and this is what happened, it’s a fact. 🙂
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 11:29 am
The penalty is less than any annual insurance premium. When the penalty is less than the actual cost of participation, I hardly see how it is a motivating factor. People are signing up because they want and need insurance.
Before the ACA, YOUR money was being used to pay for emergency room visits by people with no insurance.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:39 am
That’s the hospital’s fault for treating beyond “lifesaving care”. If someone who’s uninsured goes to the hospital and his/her life isn’t in immediate danger, the hospital isn’t required to provide treatment. Boot ’em.
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Simple registration and triage at the ER can cost well over a grand. A physician has to see someone before booting em. So who pays for that? Taxpayers..
A broken leg does not typically put someone in an immediately life-threatening situation. So someone who has refused to get health insurance because it jeopardizes their freedom, shows up at the ER with a compound fracture and the hospital can refuse to do anything?
In the overall scheme of things, I can live with that, as long as taxpayers are not on the hook for the bill to diagnose the fracture.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 11:51 am
A compound fracture would be considered life-threatening, because the bone is protruding from the body. However, I’m glad you mentioned the price of admission and triage. I’ve never witnessed any triage, that’s worth what hospitals are allowed to charge. That’s the first step the government could take, to lower the price of healthcare. Enforce price-gouging laws against overcharging medical facilities. Don’t let them get away with charging $60 for a box of Kleenex, $10 for a SINGLE tablet of Tylenol, $80 for a 6ft section of oxygen tube. Make the hospitals charge FAIR prices and the price of insurance will become affordable.
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:55 am
That’s the first step the government could take, to lower the price of healthcare. Enforce price-gouging laws against overcharging
So you’re all for strict government regulation and oversight of the health care industry?
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
If they’re going to mandate participation, I am.
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Neither you nor I are physicians (I assume), so your characterization of a compound fracture aside, who pays for the treatment of someone who has deliberately refused to obtain health insurance?
ER triage requires instant decisions on matters that are literally life and death. My wife worked in a northern California trauma center for years beside physicians who had 30 seconds to determine if the gunshot wound or the traffic accident vicitm was in more immediate danger. Regardless of what you have personally witnessed, ER triage is worth every penny in a environment where every decision has to be the correct decision or someone might die.
illinoisboy1977 February 26th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
Sorry, but I don’t see an overhead vs. bill-rate ratio that justifies a thousand dollars per assessment.
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
After having worked in ER’s what you personally didn’t see no one cares about but when it’s your dumbass you’ll want even the housekeeper to know that you’re there.
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
It doesn’t cost thousands of dollars an hour to keep the lights on. The prices are WAAAYYY overinflated.
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley February 26th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
But what about the beloved free market????
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
When you mandate someone participate, you’ve already obliterated the free market principle.
olcurmudgeon February 26th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
Now youvwant price contrils? LOL
rigjt wingers will say anything!
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:53 am
Exactly. If someone is suicidal, as a cop I had to deliver them to the ER, get them evaluated, stay with them if they were deemed dangerous, acquire paperwork to have them committed from a justice, and possibly drive them to the cracker factory. It would cost thousands before it’s all said and done. It’s the law. If the subject had no money or insurance it came straight from the taxpayers pocket.
fahvel February 27th, 2015 at 7:54 am
sure thing ahole – if he aint gonna die, dump him on the corner. You are not just an idiotic 6 year old but and evil one too.
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
People don’t have a “right” to free healthcare. It’s a business and, as such, should be non-compulsory.
Jeffrey Samuels February 26th, 2015 at 1:48 pm
so I guess you don’t have any insurance and will be passing your own medical bills off to the taxpayer by showing up at emergency rooms to get medical care?
Good choice. I guess that puts you firmly in the camp of the takers, right? Do you also have Snap?
illinoisboy1977 February 28th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
I have insurance, I just don’t think the government has any business telling people they HAVE to buy it. Not, unless they want to GUARANTEE its affordability for ALL people.
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 3:30 am
How old are you?
fahvel February 27th, 2015 at 7:53 am
6 going on seven – when he’s seven they will let him play in the street.
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
Tom Gonza February 27th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
So you don’t mind you taxes going to pay for those who don’t pay their med bills? The R’s invented it as a way to make up for that!
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 1:44 pm
Go on ahead nobody here really cares if you do. ;o))
Warman1138 February 26th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Rubio the insurance salesman with a failure so big that no one can make a capital letter L big enough for the loser.
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:19 am
They let this guy set up a “program”?
Larry Schmitt February 27th, 2015 at 9:39 am
Because our nation was founded in 1956. (the date the motto was adopted)
William February 27th, 2015 at 10:46 am
Red Eye Robot February 26th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Funny how the punishment by the most feared civilian agency of the US GOVT. (IRS) works to motivate people.
NW10 February 26th, 2015 at 11:36 am
William February 26th, 2015 at 11:36 am
Oh here we go with the IRS tax thing faithfully regurgitated from one of the right wing media faithful
Ok, let me post this again. It’s an explanation geared to your level, and narrated by one of the most revered, respected and intelligent people on a popular Fox show.
Tom Gonza February 27th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
Also it was meant to help pay for those who dont pay for medical so the tax payers wont have to pay for them 100%. The R’s invented the penalty to counter Hilary-Care back in the day!
arc99 February 26th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Funny how some people are stupid enough to believe that a penalty will “force” people to buy a service which costs 10 times or more the cost of paying the penalty.
Mike February 26th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
The penalty is $90 this year…not much of a motivating factor, I’m guessing people want healthcare.
What else ya got…???
NW10 February 26th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Obewon February 26th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Rubio hates ObaCare so much he covered his entire family with ACA HC insurance, reducing federal deficits $1.5 T+ per CBO! No wonder 31 M HC.gov & state exchang buyers
jybarz February 26th, 2015 at 11:57 am
What a stupid, stupid man Rubio is and Republicans! After nearly 6y they still can’t understand, or more likely refuse to understand, that millions of people need healthcare and Obamacare is the answer even if it’s not as perfect as many want it to be like a single payer. Coming up with such a very extravagant scheme just amplifies how stupid he and Republicans really are. Oh Sh!t! My head hurts.
Mike February 26th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Get ready for Fox to tell you how great this alternative is working in 3,2,1….
labman57 February 26th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
How many of the enrollees are friends and family of Marco Rubio?
Tom Gonza February 27th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
All of them and MR paid them for it!
allison1050 February 27th, 2015 at 3:28 am
Sooo, when are the talking heads and print so called media going to ask Rubio about this nonsense?