By D.B. Hirsch
March 12, 2015 8:00 pm - NewsBehavingBadly.com
A couple in Nevada is seeking a change to state law after being denied a license to raise foster children due to a regulation that bars foster parents from carrying loaded firearms. Brian Wilson and his wife Valerie applied to become foster parents in 2013. They were denied because of their refusal to comply with the…
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
Stupid people, stupid politicians. Guns secured in their home is not enough for these gun fetishists??
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:35 pm
I can’t follow the logic of your post. Who has a gun fetish?
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Sorry, the petitioners and the politician in this article.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
As I said in an earlier post, I grew up with guns. Practically everybody had a gun but nobody — and I mean nobody — I knew had these crazy military-style weapons with the big clips. I don’t remember seeing even a handgun. Those were for cowboys and criminals.
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
I read your posts and respect your position. We are substantially in agreement on personal use and ownership of guns.
arc99 March 12th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
A foster kid who has been through who knows what kind of emotional trauma and/or physical abuse is placed in a home where loaded weapons are just laying around.
What could possibly go wrong?
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 8:25 pm
I don’t see why foster parents can’t have guns. I am not against responsible gun owners who want to protect their family.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Having a gun in the home increases the chance that the foster kids will get shot.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
Not if they’re responsible gun owners. I have one in my house. My cats are totally not shot:-)
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
But, there is no way to determine if these, or any, foster parents are responsible gun owners. “Responsible” gun owners shoot themselves and others at a pretty regular basis.
Why do you have one in your house?
If you have cats and not children, that does help.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
I don’t have children. It is my right to protect myself. I was assaulted in my home years ago, in the worst way a woman can be. I’ve been pretty much a recluse ever since, but this way, at least I can fight back if it ever happens again. Hopefully, I’ll never find out.
Enjoy your evening!:-)
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
I’m not going to second-guess you in a situation like that. I am not dogmatically anti-gun.
And, I’m sorry that happened to you! How horrible.
Enjoy your evening, too.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
whatthe46 March 12th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
but aren’t those children that were killed by guns in their parents home, parents claimed to be responsible too. if they want guns in their homes with their own children that’s their choice, but putting someone elses child at risk doesn’t make sense.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
That’s the thing about “responsible” gun owners. Everybody thinks they are one — until something goes horribly wrong.
That’s why I support “License, register, insure, secure”
Four common-sense requirements to prove someone is a responsible gun owner.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Well, parents need to learn gun safety or not have a gun at all. Gun safes and trigger locks are a thing. It’s a shame that we’re seeing so many ‘parents’ get off of charges after allowing little kids to have access to their weapons.
CHOCOL8MILK March 13th, 2015 at 12:44 am
Still, it never hurts to review gun safety.
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
They can, just locked up. They want that restriction removed.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
That would be a good start. My brother keeps his in a gun safe. Well, he likes his little girl alive so that could be why:-)
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Yes, they are objecting to not be able to wave their guns around while their foster kids are in their home. Kinda close cousins to open carry morons in their parenting techniques.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Well you know how I feel about that already.
tiredoftea March 12th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Yup, no daylight between us there.
Chinese Democracy March 12th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
they want to walk around with a gun everywhere. I assume they want one laying around the house. I personally don’t think the state needs that kind of trouble lol
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:15 pm
I’ll guess that if/when these foster parents’ gun kills a kid, the state will get sued, too.
Chinese Democracy March 13th, 2015 at 12:55 am
yeah thats what I was thinking
Robert M. Snyder March 12th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
A convicted pedophile moved in two doors down from my sister who is a single mom. She bought a gun and got training. Does that make her a bad parent, or a good parent?
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
She’s a responsible gun owner if she got training. I don’t blame her one bit.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
Isn’t a responsible gun owner like a responsible base jumper?
There is an inherent danger they can’t fully protect from?
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
No, it’s totally not like that.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
Isn’t it a little like that? There are too many variables with guns to prevent all accidental deaths.
Anomaly 100 March 12th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
Oh please. I write against irresponsible gun owners almost daily. If I was fortunate enough to be able to have children, I’d put my weapon in a safe. That’s responsible. The other people are just arseholes with guns and I’m all over their case. Because of Open Carry, etc, responsible gun owners’ rights will be in jeopardy.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
>> A convicted pedophile moved in two doors down from my sister who is a single mom. She bought a gun and got training. Does that make her a bad parent, or a good parent?
It depends how she handles the gun. Do her children have access to the gun? In that case, the gun is surely a more acute danger to her children than is the pedophile.
But, I have to ask, how is that gun going to protect her children from the pedophile? A strong lock and close supervision of her children are surely more effective.
Robert M. Snyder March 12th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
Pedophiles usually do their dirty work when a child is isolated, so your question is very apt. I don’t see her that often and have not discussed it with her.
Speaking only for myself, I could see two possible scenarios:
1.) Knock on the man’s door, show him the weapon, and tell him what will happen if he ever messes with my kids.
2.) If anything ever does happen, shoot his balls off.
I can’t tell you how many time I wished that I had been the one who caught Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. He would have had faucet marks on his face, believe me.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
I suppose that would be effective with some pedophiles. It seems like others can’t control themselves.
But, that is not a viable strategy for me. I honestly don’t think I could shoot anyone.
Robert M. Snyder March 12th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
Yeah, I’m not sure I could either, unless they were threatening an innocent person’s life and needed to be stopped. I got beat up and harassed in high school and never fought back, even though I was a big kid and a (not very good) wrestler. What gets me angry is seeing others being harassed or threatened. If I ever saw a child being raped, I guess my first instinct would be to remove the child from the situation and get help for them. But if someone else were already doing that, I’m pretty sure that my instinct would be to go after the attacker. It seems like a primal instinct.
Foundryman March 12th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
The reality is, there are very few people who are stable and responsible as well as experienced enough in this country that should be trusted with loaded weapons. Very few, most don’t even know how to change lanes in heavy traffic. We can’t do to much to prevent them from possessing firearms, but when we can and there are laws in place to regulate them, like this article states, we owe it to ourselves and our children to keep those laws intact.
There is no need to be so paranoid that you put loaded firearms within sight or reach of traumatized foster kids and expect nothing could happen. Just by fighting this law, this couple have shown they should not be foster care parents, they are not responsible enough.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
Even though I grew up in the gun culture, I won’t have one in my home. The increased danger is not worth the very small chance that having the gun will help me.
Foundryman March 12th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
I grew up with guns too. I still have them under lock and key and haven’t loaded or shot them in years. I don’t want to sell them because, well I wouldn’t know if they would ever be used to hurt someone or not. It’s better just to keep them right where they are at.
For the overwhelming majority of us, there is no reason to live with so much fear and worry that we think we will be attacked at any moment, we simply will not be. Most police don’t even fire their weapon in defense in their entire career. Concealed carry, open carry are really stupid ideas promoted by paranoid fear mongers.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
If you have them locked-up, I’m cool with it.
I think locking up guns is the #1 measure for reducing gun deaths. If I could only pass one gun safety law, that would be it.
Chinese Democracy March 12th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
I grew up with guns too. I got one for Christmas. Its locked up at the shooting range. I personally think its safer there than in a drawer by my bed.
Benji0804 March 12th, 2015 at 9:57 pm
That”s why you buy a gun safe!!!
Chinese Democracy March 13th, 2015 at 12:58 am
I don’t use it around the house. So I leave it there. Not sure if you could get everyone to use a gun safe
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
I absolutely, utterly have no problem if a gun is locked up at a shooting range. But I assume a gun safe is good, too It seems like the company that makes those “kryptonite” bike locks could make a strong trigger lock, too.
Chinese Democracy March 13th, 2015 at 12:56 am
now if we could just get the nutballs to use it
thule March 12th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
The reality is, there are very few people who are stable and responsible as well as experienced enough in this country that should be trusted with freedom. Very few, most don’t even know how to change lanes in heavy traffic. We can’t do to much to prevent them from wanting freedom, but when we can and there is the Constitution in place to limit government, we owe it to ourselves and our children to keep the Constitution intact.
There is no need to be so paranoid that you put freedom sight or reach of traumatized foster kids and expect nothing could happen. Just by fighting this law, this couple have shown they should not be foster care parents, they are not responsible enough… with freedom.
Fixed it for you.
What if we said the same things about freedom of the press?
Freedom to protect ones self is a natural law that does not requires explanation. I have noticed that this web site only posts articles were a gun accidentally injures or kills someone, but never, ever covers articles where a firearm protects someone. A little bit one sided. Why not be a bit more rational?
Foundryman March 12th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Sorry, but guns don’t equal freedom. I know people who are freer than you will ever be, who never touched a gun. There is no such thing as “accidental injuries” when a gun is involved. If you are truly responsible and law abiding with your weapon, you would be the only one ever to handle it. It’s no accident when someone does, and it would be no accident if you shot yourself with it, true responsibility dictates that.
Spirit of America March 13th, 2015 at 7:59 am
“There is no such thing as “accidental injuries” when a gun is involved.”
There are accidents regardless of the object… replace gun with car, or tub, or scissors, or anything. Accidents do happen, even with guns.
Foundryman March 13th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
No, they don’t. When someone is shot the weapon has done exactly what it was designed to do no matter what led up to the firing. A car was designed to transport, not run over a group of school kids, a tub was designed to bathe not drown.
You simply cannot point a gun and pull the trigger and shoot someone then say it was an accident. It’s like putting your wet finger in a electrical outlet and get electrocuted, then says..oops that was accident, sorry, that dog don’t bark.
It’s no accident when a three year old finds mommy’s gun in her purse and shoots her with it. It’s no accident when a gun safety instructor picks a gun up then blows his finger off when he pulls the trigger. They are totally, complete irresponsible negligence, if they were licensed, they would lose it, pay a fine and go to jail.
Spirit of America March 13th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
“You simply cannot point a gun and pull the trigger and shoot someone then say it was an accident.”
I never said that scenario was an accident.
Let us take your example of:
“It’s no accident when a three year old finds mommy’s gun in her purse and shoots her with it.”
Dad/mom/3 year old just came in from a trip… as they are crossing the door, dad grabs his chest and falls to his knees saying he thinks he’s having a heart attack. Mom puts her purse & child down on couch, goes to dad, then picks up phone and calls 911…. while the 3 yo reaches in and grabs revolver and it goes off.
Yes, that is an accident.
Accidents happen with guns as well as any other object, period. The law calls some shootings as accident, the press does and most people do.
Foundryman March 13th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
No, no accident there, the gun should always be secured when the child is around. The mother shown complete disregard for the safety of her family by having the gun in her purse.
Spirit of America March 13th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
The law, press, and vast majority of people disagree w/you, as I do.
arc99 March 12th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
As soon as you can provide a link or two where a conservative site posts positive articles about gun control, we can discuss your question in more detail.
Spirit of America March 12th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
So until some other site does something right, this site shouldn’t?
Now, that being said, I was picking on your logic, not on this site.
Thule, this is a LEFT site, trying to get out a LEFT message, not a hard-news or neutral site. And doesn’t claim to be either. To debate/discuss the articles is one thing, but to complain that a left site posts left articles and that it isn’t right misses the reason for this site. And like arc99 said, show the same for a right site doing equal & balanced article posting.
jasperjava March 12th, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Whenever a right-winger uses the word “freedom”, I’m reminded of the slogan in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four:
“Freedom is Slavery”.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
I’d like the freedom to not get accidentally shot by the gun nut who lives in the apartment below me.
Chinese Democracy March 12th, 2015 at 9:51 pm
rational? In what other country are there more gun deaths? So what is the rational thing to do? heh
I have a feeling you don’t want to be rational
Candide Thirtythree March 12th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
All the articles have the ends of the sentences cut off, is it just my screen or are other people seeing the same?
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
Same problem here.
whatthe46 March 12th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
yeah. not all of them but some of them, including this one.
Candide Thirtythree March 12th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Yea, I have since seen a few where it wasn’t cut off, I tried changing my resolution and font size but the whole page changes, not just that column.
Foundryman March 12th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Mine is just fine…*knocking on wood*
Candide Thirtythree March 12th, 2015 at 9:17 pm
OK thanks, I have no idea what is going on with mine. I will mess with it later and see if I can fix it.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Are you reading the articles on a laptop or small screen?
Lots of web designers have huge, fantastic monitors and don’t realize there pages look bad on laptops.
Candide Thirtythree March 15th, 2015 at 9:20 am
No, I am reading it on a 40 inch monitor, I haven’t tried it on any of the laptops or tablets or phones.
What I am seeing is the column on the right overlapping the main column and obscuring just a word or a couple of letters at the end of some of the sentences.
mea_mark March 15th, 2015 at 9:35 am
I think it has something to do with your system and how you have it configured.
Candide Thirtythree March 15th, 2015 at 9:51 am
I thought so too but I have tried everything I know to do so far. I thought it might be because it is not an actual computer monitor but a Samsung Smart TV. Apparently it is not smart enough to adjust its own setting though hahaha!
I haven’t seen any of the overlapped articles today and it seems to have just been the longer articles that looked that way in the past couple weeks. I haven’t finished reading today, might still run across one or two LOL!
mea_mark March 15th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Sometimes the repost articles act funny. If it is just those stories, it is some minor conflict in configuration settings. You could try resizing the window or changing font size, if it’s much of a nuisance.
Candide Thirtythree March 15th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
StoneyCurtisll March 12th, 2015 at 9:19 pm
I get the same thing…
Candide Thirtythree March 15th, 2015 at 9:53 am
Hey Stoney, did you ever figure out what was going on with this? I haven’t seen any today but I haven’t read all the articles yet today.
StoneyCurtisll March 15th, 2015 at 10:09 am
What ever it is seems to be beyond my control..
I have tried changing setting and magnification, to no avail.
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
I am not anti-gun, even though they are not for me. As a meat-eater, I can’t morally object to hunting. And, I think some people genuinely need them for self-protection.
But, I’m still for common sense gun safety laws.
I think “license, register, insure, secure” would save a lot of lives while not preventing responsible people from owning guns. It’s modeled after car ownership and, goodness knows, we have no shortage of cars.
Benji0804 March 12th, 2015 at 9:57 pm
I grew up in foster care and most of the one’s that owned guns were and still are good responsible people and the first time I learned to use a gun was in foster care.
Despite what some think guns were locked and in a gun safe not all gun owners are
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
If the guns were in a gun safe, I’m OK with it.
It it fair to say that many foster kids are emotionally troubled? The last thing they need is access to loaded guns.
But, I think this is true for all kids! If you have kids, lock up the guns!
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
We have had two rage shootings here in Portland, recently — one at a mall and one at a school.
In both cases, the shooter used a gun that was left unsecured by a “responsible” gun owner. (one a room mate, the other a brother.)
If those guns had been in gun safes, it’s likely these shootings wouldn’t have happened.
Ronald L March 12th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
Here is the dirty secret the gun and ammo industry don’t want you to know:
guns suck for self-defense.
Unless you are walking around with your gun locked, loaded… and _aimed_, the bad guy will get the drop on you.
Spirit of America March 12th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
AAASuperPatriot March 12th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
I lived in hard-core gang territory for several years and never had a gun. They just aren’t effective self-protection. Heck, the bad guys even got the cops, sometimes. And they had vests on and were trained shooters.
Spirit of America March 12th, 2015 at 11:39 pm
How many times were you held up?
My brother used to visit my cousin 2-3 times a week to take her shopping/whatever who lived in a high-crime area and he carried and it saved his life twice. Guns were in the hands of the criminal both times.
My view is it is up to the individual. It works for some, doesn’t for others.
rg9rts March 13th, 2015 at 8:04 am
They need the foster money to buy ammo