March 19, 2015 9:00 am -

article-mesa2-0318[su_r_sky_ad]Excuse The Doc for editorializing, but if we had a press that was concerned with accuracy as opposed to fearmongering, this homicidal cretin would be called a “domestic terrorist.” Maybe the “Skin Head” eyebrow tattoos are just not jihadi-ish enough, if you catch my drift…

A gunman opened fire inside a motel room in the Phoenix suburb of Mesa on Wednesday, killing a man and wounding two women before shooting three more people as he sought to elude an exhaustive manhunt that ended in his capture, police said.

Officers using a stun gun subdued the suspected gunman at a vacant condominium where he had taken refuge, some four hours after the initial shooting, Mesa police spokesman Esteban Flores told reporters.

“At this time we believe he is responsible for each and every one of these shootings,” Flores said. Police said the motive for the rampage was still unclear but that the initial gunfire erupted following an argument at the motel.

“Everything else seemed to be random at that point,” Flores said. “We believe his motive at the other locations was robbery and carjackings and just trying to get away.”

Local NBC affiliate 12 News showed the man being led out of the residential complex in a white full-body suit, his wrists shackled, and taken to a local hospital.

“That is something investigators use if they’re going to be protecting his clothing for evidence,” Flores said of the suit.

The suspected gunman was not publicly named by authorities, but the Arizona Republic newspaper identified him as Ryan Elliot Giroux, citing a Mesa police source. A hospital official confirmed to Reuters that Giroux was treated at Banner Desert Medical Center in Mesa on Wednesday and released into police custody.

Anti-hate group the Southern Poverty Law Center, citing a retired Mesa police detective, identified Giroux, 41, as a member of skinhead and white supremacist groups who had served prison time for burglary and marijuana possession and attempted aggravated assault.


D.B. Hirsch
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

66 responses to Call Him What He Is: A Domestic Terrorist

  1. Budda March 19th, 2015 at 9:37 am

    Terrorist? Maybe. Stupid,a$$hole outlaw? Definately.

    • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      shooting at 5 people, asked the ones that lived if they felt terror?

      • Budda March 19th, 2015 at 8:43 pm

        I feel terror watching some people drive….that doesn’t make them terrorists.

        I think the term is getting over used, IMO

  2. illinoisboy1977 March 19th, 2015 at 10:18 am

    The label of “terrorist” would be dependent upon his motivation for the shooting. A “terrorist” is one who uses violence to further his own political views by causing death and instilling fear among an opposing group of people. We don’t yet know the complete circumstances of the shootings.

    • Khary A March 19th, 2015 at 10:41 am

      HE is a NAZI, there is no other way to describe them as other than terrorists. Perhaps it that they don’t seek to instill terror in you and your kind but make no mistake they sure as hell wish to in at least mine and others. defending these miscreants as otherwise is a myopic view on the nature of the nazi influence.

      • illinoisboy1977 March 19th, 2015 at 11:11 am

        I don’t disagree with that assessment, other than to point out that beliefs don’t make you a terrorist. Acting on them does. Until all the circumstances and motivations are known, we don’t know if this was a terrorist act, or a violent crime. Either way, he’s never going to walk amongst decent people again.

    • arc99 March 19th, 2015 at 10:47 am

      I think the point of the article is that our media and our culture does not hesitate to label someone as a terrorist if their name happens to have an Ali or Muhammad in the name and we don’t bother to know the complete circumstances.

      Why should we treat an American born caucasian any differently?

      Furthermore, why is it that even after the facts are known, caucasian Americans are never referred to as terrorists when in fact that is exactly what they are, even according to your definition. I have never heard the murderer of Dr. George Tiller referred to as a terrorist, despite the fact that his murder was to prevent him from performing abortions.

      Here is another case from Pittsburgh in 2009. Not once is the man called a terrorist. That is the point of the article. There is an inherent bias that prevents American caucasians from being called terrorists.

      A gunman wearing a bulletproof vest and “lying in wait” opened fire on officers responding to a domestic disturbance call Saturday, killing three of them and turning a quiet Pittsburgh street into a battlefield, police said.

      Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn’t clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.

      • illinoisboy1977 March 19th, 2015 at 11:12 am

        There are certain criteria for labeling someone a terrorist. The current administration holds tightly to the criteria, as evidenced by the Fort Hood “workplace violence”.

        • arc99 March 19th, 2015 at 11:50 am

          The critics of the administration also hold tightly to their own criteria as noted in my previous post.

          • fahvel March 19th, 2015 at 12:49 pm

            I think what they hold tightly is what’s beyond the sphincter.

      • granpa.usthai March 20th, 2015 at 1:31 am

        just because the general media is biased doesn’t mean the individual has to be.
        A WHITE Racist Caucasian Terrorist.
        (emphasis on the .).

    • fahvel March 19th, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      you might see and understand more if you used a straw with a bigger diameter to view the world at large.

  3. William March 19th, 2015 at 11:28 am

    Domestic Terrorist, well regulated militia. Hey c’mon aren’t we being a little picky here? Picking the fly-sh!t out of the pepper as it were?

    • Candide Thirtythree March 19th, 2015 at 5:22 pm

      hahaha! I love that saying, I am going to have to tell hubby that one, he has a treasure trove of those witticisms and amusing bon mots.

  4. Herb Sarge Phelps March 19th, 2015 at 11:37 am

    I Live about 2 miles from where this happened. Yes people were terrorized and it was obvious he was likely to kill anyone in his path. It was restrictive, scary, and agonizing. Now what is terrorism about?

  5. fahvel March 19th, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    I can think of one fine way to remove the head tats – you are welcome to borrow our old guillotine.

    • bpollen March 20th, 2015 at 3:11 am

      You got all the cool toys…

  6. trees March 19th, 2015 at 1:03 pm


    • FightingFromTheLeft March 19th, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Oh Trees,
      So many places I could go….
      If you have tattoos stating ‘SKIN HEAD’ where your eyebrows used to be, you are trying to inspire terrorism.
      No, I’m sure he killed that person in the motel to inspire freedom of expression.
      When you shoot random people, you are inspiring terrorism.

      noun: terrorism
      the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

      And what is Islamic Terrorism? You mean ISIL or whatever? They are no more Islamic than your right wing psycho who attacks an abortion clinic is Christian. I can say that this terrorist group has very little to do with the actual teachings of the Quran and I challenge you to show proof that it does.

      • trees March 19th, 2015 at 2:43 pm

        noun: terrorism
        the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

        The use of violence in the pursuit of political aims.

        Police said the motive for the rampage was still unclear but that the initial gunfire erupted following an argument at the motel.

        And you believe his motivation for these crimes was political? Did he shout “Allah Akbar”? What political statement did he give for his motivation, what political exhortation did he make at the time of his arrest?

        And I don’t think that definition is entirely accurate, especially within the context that the majority of Americans define it.

        Most Americans consider terrorism to be religiously based, you know, religious terrorism?

        It would seem that author of this post is attempting to conflate the two.

        • FightingFromTheLeft March 19th, 2015 at 3:33 pm

          SkinHead. The political motivation is pretty clear. White Power.
          Since when do we define words or terms based on popular opinion? Terrorism has always been defined by which side of the fence you’re on. I’d imagine its quite terrific when drones come dropping bombs, but I admit I wouldn’t actually know…unlike most Americans.

          • Candide Thirtythree March 19th, 2015 at 5:19 pm

            Exactly, if a skinhead wants to move up in the ranks then they have to impress the higher-ups and that is the definition of political.

        • Candide Thirtythree March 19th, 2015 at 5:17 pm

          Political motive does NOT mean politics as in who is running for congress or dog catcher.

          It means political as in you have to be part of the IN group, the group that you are trying to impress to get a job or move up in the ranks.

          “Getting a teaching job is almost as political as getting a job in the mafia!”

          “It’s still not as political as the bus driving jobs!”

          That was an actual conversation in the teacher’s lounge at the school where I did my internship. Scary, no?

          Anyway, a skinhead organization is every bit as political as the mafia or the republican party.

        • granpa.usthai March 20th, 2015 at 1:20 am

          his tattoos ARE his political statement.
          WHITE Racist = TERRORIST.

      • trees March 19th, 2015 at 2:51 pm

        They are no more Islamic than your right wing psycho who attacks an abortion clinic is Christian.

        I think they, ISIL/ISIS/Boko Haram, would disagree with you. The command from them is to convert to Islam, or die. So, how do we know if they’re representative of the religion, Islam?

        Do we examine the history of Islam, it’s founder, his teachings and actions/activities, and it’s beginning’s, it’s origins? Do we use documents written during the course of it’s history?

        How are we going to define Islam? What is the lens we’ll use to bring it into a sharp focus?

        • Bunya March 19th, 2015 at 3:16 pm

          “The command from them is to convert to Islam, or die.”
          Perhaps you should read the Qur’an before you state, with complete authority, what’s in it. I’m guessing you know as much about the Qur’an as you do about the bible (which is very, very little).
          I could ask you the same … How do we know if those who kill doctors and bomb clinics are representative of the religion, Christianity?
          Do we examine the history of Christianity, it’s founders, their teachings and actions, activities, and it’s/their beginnings, it’s/their origins? Which of the over 100,000 versions of the bible written during the course of it’s history, do we use?

          • trees March 19th, 2015 at 8:55 pm


          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 10:23 pm

            Perhaps you should read the Qur’an before you state, with complete authority, what’s in it. I’m guessing you know as much about the Qur’an as you do about the bible (which is very, very little).

            Qur’an:9:5 – “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

            Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

            Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

            Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

            Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

            Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

            I think the text is clear.

          • arc99 March 20th, 2015 at 11:07 pm

            There is no person on earth less qualified to tell us what the text of the Koran means, than someone who is not Muslim.

            Using your approach, if I ever have the need to obtain a more complete understanding of Judaism, I will consult a Hindu priest.

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 11:47 pm

            There is no person on earth less qualified to tell us what the text of the Koran means, than someone who is not Muslim.

            1) The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 claimed to be Muslim, the terrorists who are beheading people, and burning people alive, also claim Islam as their religion.

            2) I posted Islamic texts

            3) Either the texts support the actions of the Islamic terrorists, or they don’t.

            Read them and think for yourself, ask yourself this question, “do I find exhortations to commit violence in these Islamic passages?”

            A couple of posts above this one I posted a rather lengthy series of Qur’anic verses, a simple search on the origins and history of Islam, as well as a biography of Mohammed should bring it all into focus…..

            If it makes you uncomfortable, I can understand that. It makes a lot of people uncomfortable to find out what the motivation behind Islamic radicalism is….

          • arc99 March 21st, 2015 at 12:19 am

            Psalms 137-9 celebrates infanticide so using your logic why would it be unfair to portray infanticide as a core tenet of Judeo-Christian beliefs?

            Ultimately you are certainly free to dislike or fear or hate or have whatever negative opinion you choose about a religion practiced by billions of people around the world.

            But please know that I personally am disgusted by the religious bigotry that parades around as concern for national security. When the simple act of building a house of worship which happens to be a mosque is seen as a threat, it is quite clear to me that I want no part of this anti Muslim hysteria.

            Aside from my own conscience, the only verses I need to understand the proper place of Islam in the United States of America, are Article 6 and Amendment 1 of the US Constitution.

          • trees March 21st, 2015 at 1:56 am


            Thursday, July 16, 2009

            Yes, But What About Psalm 137?

            In addressing C.S. Lewis’ comments about the imprecatory psalms, we dealt primarily with generalizations. But the comment about bashing in the heads of Babylonian infants in Psalm 137:9 demands our attention.

            First of all, we should note again that the psalmist’s maledictions are never merely personal. The psalmist in 137 is bemoaning the injustices committed against Israel by Edom and Babylon.

            The historical context is most likely the fall of Jerusalem at the hands of the Babylonians in the early 6th century BC, during which time the Edomites availed themselves of Judah’s weakened condition and further violated its citizens – their distant cousins. The prophecy of Obadiah is directed against Edom for this particularly heinous atrocity and callous aggression (cf. Jer.49:7-22; Isa.34:5-17).

            You’ll note the similarlity between these prophetic declarations and the psalmist’s prayer. Obadiah, for instance, declares, “As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.” The Psalmist in 137, now in reference to Babylon (cf. Hab.2:4-20; Jer.50-51; Isa.13; 21:1-10; 47), writes, “happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us,” v.8. If in this the psalmist is accussed of sin, let it be acknowledged that it is because he celebrates the justice of God in His righteous judgment against the cruel destroyer. And v.9, of course, must be read in its immediate context. It is applying and particularizing the principle articulated v.8. As they have dashed our children to the ground, so let the avenger (who, as it turns out, will be the Medo-Persians) dash their infants!

            It was a common, grisly practice in ancient warfare (see 2Ki.8:12; Hos.10:14; 13:16; Nah.3:10; Lk.19:44).

            Sadly, it is not unknown in modern times either; during WWII at Bromberg, it was observed that the S.S. would “take the Jewish children by their feet and break their heads by striking them against the wall…”
            In fact, it is prophesied by Isaiah that such fate would fall upon the Babylonians themselves, who committed such violence: Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished. See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children. Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians’ pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah.

            As they have done to others, so it will be done to them. And again, it would appear that the psalmist in 137 is celebrating or anticipating God’s coming justice against the Babylonians – gruesome as it is! This makes us uncomfortable. Can we really celebrate such brutal justice? But here we might recall (again) that heaven itself calls the church to similarly celebrate the terrible retribution that falls against “Babylon the Great,” the violent oppressor of the saints, in Revelation 18:1-19:3. Justice will have been thereby established on the earth.

            Justice here does not necessarily pertain to the question of the relative guilt or innocence of the infants. In Scripture it is assumed that infants are not morally culpable agents (e.g., Isa.7:16). Rather, this judgment is conceived as coming against the Babylonian aggressors. We might note that God has destroyed the life of infants elsewhere in judgment directed against the parents, most famously in the case of David (2Sam.12:13-15). We might also note the death of the firstborn in Egypt by God’s mysterious agent, “the Destroyer,” as judgment against Pharaoh’s obstinance.

            Of course, as Scripture makes clear, the sons are not imputed with their father’s guilt, nor vice versa (Ez.18:20). So the children are not considered guilty for their father’s atrocities. However, the scriptures also say: “[God] does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.” In other words, there are divinely instituted consequences for sins which affect generations (though God here sets limits on their impact, by His mercy, whereas His grace abounds to thousands of generations). My sin and its detrimental impact cannot be neatly confined to my own life. So, the infant in David’s case is not held as culpable for his father’s sins, but he is to some extent punished for them. More directly, David is punished through his child’s illness and death.

            Even so, it is asked, how is this fair? Here we must go back to the biblical framework for human history: creation and fall. The wages of sin is death, and so all die because, in Adam, “all sinned,” even those who did not sin by actually breaking the commandment (Rom.5:12-14). Throughout the course of our lives, our actual transgressions bear witness against us concerning our damnable condition. But we are under curse from the moment we’re conceived. As David wrote, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me,” Ps.51:5. It is the tragic reality of “Adam’s helpless race.” And as a result, “in Adam, all die,” (1Co.15:22). The judgment that befell us in our forefather was death – a death graciously prolonged in the case of many, allowing some of us an entire life-time in God’s patience and grace. Nevertheless the whole human race is on death row. No one gets out of here alive. Moreover, none of us can demand that we are given first breath upon birth – not to mention God’s continual care for us within the womb (e.g., Ps.139:13-14). We live by mercy alone, and we will die by justice.

            All this to say that it is not unjust for God to bring the infant’s life to an end, according to his purposes in judgment and providence, any more so than bringing the octogenarian’s life to an end in a tragic car accident.

            Lastly, we must be careful to maintain the distinctions Scripture maintains. If it is in fact just that the evil that I have perpetrated against others be exacted against me (in one form or another), it is not necessarily just for someone to enact it. When the Medes came against Babylon, and dashed their infants’ heads against the ground, though they unwittingly carried out God’s judgment against the Babylonians, they themselves acted wickedly – just as the Babylonian’s and Assyrian’s violence against the infants of Israel and Judah were, in and of themselves, unjust, and yet the vehicle of God’s just judgment against His own people (e.g., Hos.13:16).

            Once again, the cross stands as the ultimate illustration of this principle. Jesus’ unjust condemnation and crucifixion – for which those agents who were responsible are held culpable by God – was in fact the foreordained means (e.g, Ac.2:23; 4:27-28) of God’s righteous accomplishment of His saving purposes (Ro.3:25-26). Moreover, even if the retributive principle can be justly applied by the hands of men, it obviously does not follow that I am the one to enact it. Lex talionis was established not to justify revenge or excerbate violence through endless retaliation, but rather to delimit retribution in Israel’s courts, and to undercut personal vengenence. God alone is the avenger in Scripture, and we look ultimately to him to establish justice for us.

            In summary, we cannot read Psalm 137:9 as a justification for infanticide. But we would do well, in response to this psalm and others like it, to remember that it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. It is always wrong to take human life without justifiable cause. But God has justifiable cause against us! And as the Judge, He sovereignly determines how justice will be executed. This ought to humble us, and yield repentance. Rather than assigning blame, or seeking (in vain) to unravel God’s myterious providence, Jesus tells us in light of similar tragedies, “unless you repent, you too will all perish,” (Lk.13:1-5).

          • trees March 21st, 2015 at 2:23 am

            But please know that I personally am disgusted by the religious bigotry that parades around as concern for national security.

            You’re implying that the identification of those who claim acts of barbarity, by their own admission of Islam as being the source material from which they draw upon, is somehow bigoted.

            Have I claimed that all Muslims are terrorists?

            I have not.

            I understand your concern.

            You’re concern is that somehow those Muslims who don’t identify with Islamic radicalism will be insulted, or offended, but if you truly oppose the violent narrative then you will be neither offended, or insulted, any more than I am by those who profess to be Christian, and who are clearly not.

            There have been countless attempts to slander Christianity by other left wing commentators on this site, a phenomena that has not gone unnoticed by others…..

            Hitler was a Christian, being one example of this.

            Hitler was not a Christian, and yet it is asserted here often that he was….

            And yes, it is tiring work trying to correct the half-truths and outright falsehoods that are constantly being trotted out by those who post here regularly, but I am not offended, nor insulted….

            For the truth stands in opposition to the lie, and the truth needs no defender, it merely needs to be proclaimed.

          • Bunya March 21st, 2015 at 8:40 pm

            “The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 claimed to be Muslim.”

            LOL! And Adolph Hitler, who tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of Jews, claimed to be Christian. What’s your point?

        • OldLefty March 19th, 2015 at 3:22 pm

          I think they, ISIL/ISIS/Boko Haram, would disagree with you.


          So would the Nazis and Klan who called THEMSELVES Christians.

          The Documents and their interpretations and fishy translations.
          Don’t forget that we don’t have that with Christianity since there is much disagreement about what gospels were in, which were out and translations unreliable there as well.

          The most dangerous view of all is the “My voodoo good, your voodoo bad.”

          • Bunya March 20th, 2015 at 1:20 pm

            LOL! I ask you for proof and you post something from a right wing rag. Nice. Haha. I should’ve known. You know nothing about the bible, so I don’t expect you to know anything about the Qur’an.
            By the way, it’s your duty as a “Christian” to kill those heretic Muslims, as it instructs in Ezekiel 33:8 and Romans 13:4. Perhaps you should get right on that, if you want to make the “rapture” and all.

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 3:07 pm

            By the way, it’s your duty as a “Christian” to kill those heretic Muslims, as it instructs in Ezekiel 33:8 and Romans 13:4

            ??? Romans 4 says it’s my “Christian duty” to kill heretics? It does? Really?

            Let’s take a look and see if what you’ve said is true…

            1)Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

            2)Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

            3)For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4) for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.

            5)Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

            6)For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.

            7)Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

            8)Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

            9)For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

            10)Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

            11)Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.

            12)The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

            13)Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.

            14)But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

            Looks to me like it says to be obedient to the civil authorities, for they are appointed by God to be in authority, insofar as they are just, and the ones charged with keeping peace…..if you read it in context you will discover that it is an instruction on how to live within a society.

            What’s interesting is this, the Nazi skin head in this OP is violation of Romans 13, and the civil authorities will deal with him justly……

            Cool, huh?

          • Bunya March 20th, 2015 at 4:08 pm

            Great. Now which of the over 100,000 different interpretations of the bible did you get that from? The King James version? The New International version? The New Living Translation version? The New King James version? The English Standard version? The Holman Christian Standard Bible? The New American Standard bible? Etc., etc, etc.
            Here’s mine from the English Standard version:
            “If I say to the wicked, O wicked one, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked person shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.” Ezekiel 33:8
            How about this one from the King James version:
            “For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”
            Here’s a little fun fact. There is only ONE Qur’an. Only ONE interpretation, and only ONE God. Cool, huh?

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 10:16 pm

            Here’s a little fun fact. There is only ONE Qur’an. Only ONE interpretation, and only ONE God. Cool, huh?

            So, if there is only one interpretation, then, ISIS/ISIL/Boko Haram/ etc..etc.. must have the correct interpretation, correct? They own, read, and interpret the Qur’an and believe themselves to be faithful to it’s teachings. If there is only one interpretation, your words, then they cannot have a wrong understanding. To interpret is to understand, like right now, for example. You are interpreting the words I’ve written, and understand that your previous statement is either nonsensical, or supports my assertion that the Islamic terrorists are adhering to their beliefs…..

          • Bunya March 21st, 2015 at 4:59 pm

            ISIS, ISIL and Boko Haram are NOT religions, so whatever you’re interpreting is pure nonsense. If you’d read the Qur’an, you’ll notice it mirrors the old testament. That’s why I can point out just as much violence in the bible as you can in the Qur’an.

            And here’s a little fun fact. More about Jesus is written in the Qur’an than in the bible. Besides, you’re supposed to belong to the “religion of love” and you’re one of the most hate-filled people posting here. Maybe it’s time for you to give up your three gods and worship only one. It’s a lot easier.

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 10:34 pm

            Bukhari :V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.'”
            Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
            Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
            Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
            Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
            Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
            Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
            Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'”
            Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
            Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
            Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
            Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
            Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
            Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.'”
            Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'”
            Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”
            Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
            Qur’an 9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
            Qur’an 8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
            Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.” Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'”
            Qur’an 8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
            Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
            Qur’an 48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”
            Qur’an 48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
            Qur’an 47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
            Qur’an 47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”
            Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”
            Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'” [Qur’an 8:39]
            Qur’an 9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”
            Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
            Qur’an 5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”
            Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
            Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”
            Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”
            Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”
            Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”
            Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”
            Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”
            Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'”
            Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'”
            Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'”
            Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”
            Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'”
            Muslim: C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.'”
            Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'”
            Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'”
            Bukhari: V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”
            Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”
            Qur’an 2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
            Qur’an 2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”
            Qur’an 2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”
            Qur’an 2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?'”
            Ishaq:280 “The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah’s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.”

          • Bunya March 21st, 2015 at 5:06 pm

            Very good! You know how to copy and paste! Now, can you tell me what you’ve just posted? I don’t think so, because you have your own interpretation for whatever Holy Book you read that isn’t the bible. That’s pretty sad. Why not try posting the parts about loving your neighbor and forgiving transgressions. Did you know the Qur’an teaches that murder is pure evil? Of course not.

            You know, I used to be just like you. I hated everything not christian. I found it takes much more energy to hate than to love. Maybe that’s you’re problem. You’re stressing yourself into a heart attack, hating everybody.

    • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 7:46 pm

      “He’s a criminal, most likely a career criminal, but regardless…” you sound like you want to give him a hug. you’re likely satisfied that his life was spared yet you defend the actions of cops when they kill unarmed black males that don’t have criminal records at all.

      • trees March 19th, 2015 at 8:35 pm

        you defend the actions of cops when they kill unarmed black males that don’t have criminal records at all.

        10. Ferguson Market Surveillance Video

        At approximately 11:53 a.m. on August 9, 2014, about ten minutes prior to the shooting, Brown and Witness 101 went to Ferguson Market, a nearby convenience store. Surveillance video shows Brown stealing several packages of cigarillos and then forcefully shoving the store clerk who tried to stop him from leaving the store without paying. Evidence of this theft and assault likely would be admissible by the defense in a prosecution of Wilson because it is relevant to show Brown’s state of mind at or near the time of the shooting, and arguably corroborates Wilson’s self-defense claim.

        You should read the DOJ report. Yes, I defend the action Darrel Wilson took in his altercation with Michael Brown. The DOJ report also found that officer Wilson acted appropriately. Have you ever bothered to read that report? Were you able to understand it?

        you sound like you want to give him a hug.

        I called him a criminal. How do you go from me calling him a criminal to, I probably wanted to hug him? Is that because you hug the criminals in your neighborhood? In my world we don’t hug criminals, just trying to figure out what goes on in yours…..

        • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 9:05 pm

          cherry pick all you want. you are a racist and you should just admit it. brown never killed anyone, never spent time in prison, never assaulted wilson (and the DOJ can only investigate and come to a conclusion based on what limited info they had given months of cover ups so fk that). did the 12 yr old have a criminal record? did any of the young men and teens and kids, spend time in prison? did any of them go on a fk’n shooting spree before they were murdered? had any of them been arrested or convicted for any violent crime? was the black guy in walmart a convicted felon? the answer to those questions are a profound NO! was the black male walking in the stairwell of his own building commiting a criminal act before being shot down? NO! wilson the racist bastard, didn’t even know about the store incident. and it wasn’t the first time he assaulted someone while driving in his patrol car in the same manner that he attacked brown. a black man was just murdered for holding a screw driver while standing in his door way. another 20 y/o university student was just beaten down yesterday by cops, who posed no threat nor did he have a weapon on him. but you seem to suggest, no, you are suggesting that this guy is not all that bad and the police acted with reason. but, you are happy when they kill unarmed black males that posed no threat to anyone. and never question why they don’t use non-leathal tactics. so, yes, you would love to give this twisted b’tch a hug.

          • trees March 19th, 2015 at 9:40 pm

            did the 12 yr old have a criminal record

            Michael Brown was 18, not 12

          • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 10:15 pm

            you FOOL! TAMIR wasn’t 18 he was a child. a 12 y/o child!!!! and so what brown was 18, he was still a teen and he wasn’t anywhere near the criminal and racist and evil POS this bastard IS! it was only because of the color of their skin the are dead. not because they were common criminals who went on crime sprees or killing sprees. SIMPLY because they were blessed with beautful brown skin! if attempting to justify their murder helps you sleep at night, then i won’t argue with you. GOT IT! you are a hopeless hypocrite and bigot and racist. you and the rest of the racist/bigot and faux b.s. news (choke) want to make brown out to be some evil thug criminal to justify your acceptance of his murder. stealing does not a death warrant MAKE! if brown had a criminal record like this POS, that would be one thing to consider, not his death, but his life style. but, this maggots record is all over the place and you are being defensive.

          • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 10:18 pm

            brown was also enrolled in college, something this inbred bastard never did. also, if you want to harp on so what he was about to go to college, he’s still this “awful” criminal who stole some cigars, then dude, wake the fk up. there are men in some of the best universities who are rapist and murderers. some even get into medical school i.e., the craigs list killer. bet you forgot about that huh? you cheezy little parasite!!!!!

          • trees March 19th, 2015 at 10:36 pm

            Michael Brown wasn’t shot for stealing the cigars, he was shot for attacking a cop, not once, but twice.

          • whatthe46 March 19th, 2015 at 10:47 pm

            keep on harping on brown. ’cause that’s all you have. a lame ass excuse to murder a black kid. cigars vs. 3 time felon on a rampage who’s outright racist. yeah, you would. and he NEVER ATTACKED NO COP let alone twice.

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 12:23 am

            Twice, in one day….

            The second attack was what resulted in his death.

          • rg9rts March 20th, 2015 at 5:13 am

            Don’t waste you time with this idiot

          • trees March 19th, 2015 at 9:43 pm

            you are suggesting that this guy is not all that bad

            I called him a criminal.

        • dave-dr-gonzo March 20th, 2015 at 8:58 am

          You are ignoring a number of expert examinations of the store video that showed Michael Brown _paying_ for the tobacco products, not stealing them.

          Funny how you have to play the “let’s hijack the thread by lying about Michael Brown!” card. Poorly.

          • trees March 20th, 2015 at 2:31 pm

            Really? You’re going to try and claim that Michael Brown paid for those cigarillo’s???

            We have clear video showing the robbery, we have clear video showing the store owner confronting the robber, and we have clear video showing a belligerent Michael Brown assaulting the store owner. We have an official record of the theft in the form of a call from the store owner to the police department. We have evidence of the call being radioed out to the police who were patrolling at the time, and we have the call on the radio from officer Wilson that he was stopped with suspects…..but don’t take my word for it, read the report that the DOJ wrote……

            The encounter between Wilson and Brown took place over an approximately two-minute period of time at about noon on August 9, 2014. Wilson was on duty and driving his department-issued Chevy Tahoe SUV westbound on Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri when he saw Brown and his friend, Witness 101,2
            walking eastbound in the middle of the street. Brown and Witness 101 had just come from Ferguson Market and Liquor (“Ferguson Market”), a nearby convenience store, where, at approximately 11:53 a.m., Brown stole several packages of cigarillos. As captured on the store’s surveillance video, when the store clerk tried to stop Brown, Brown used his physical size to stand over him and forcefully shove him away. As a result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a “stealing in progress.” The dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 10

    • granpa.usthai March 20th, 2015 at 1:14 am

      are we to believe that 1200 like Klansmen at Bundy’s FAILED overthrow of the US Government in Nevada was a chance meeting of various WHITE Racist ?
      ideological foundation?

    • rg9rts March 20th, 2015 at 5:12 am

      A real pillar of YOUR community

      • dave-dr-gonzo March 20th, 2015 at 9:02 am

        Trees, like so many other kloset klansmen seems really tetchy about the race stuff. Lord forbid that any good aryan be correctly labeled a terrorist.

        • rg9rts March 20th, 2015 at 9:13 am

          We have a third musketeer

        • rg9rts March 20th, 2015 at 9:15 am

          Steve Dodson

        • trees March 20th, 2015 at 2:20 pm

          I like to be accurate. The problem I have with “the race stuff”, is the activism/pot stirring, incitement of looting, harming of others. You, Dave, would seem to be “OK” with the harming of people whose only crime happened to be in the same neighborhood when the demagogue’s started preaching from their pulpit’s of hate and racial unrest….

          Maybe you don’t think it’s a big deal when people lose their small businesses because of looting and rioting that was all based on a lie.

          Nothing makes you happier than when a cop loses his career, right?

          Why don’t you tell us all about “hands up, don’t shoot”, and it’s aftermath.

        • Bunya March 20th, 2015 at 2:59 pm

          Please! “not racist” Trees has informed us time and again he’s NOT racist! So don’t even suggest it!!!
          He simply feels that the lives of those of the darker persuasion, don’t matter as much as the rights of a trigger-happy cop.

    • dave-dr-gonzo March 20th, 2015 at 9:02 am

      “An act of terrorism is premeditated.”

      Not always. An act of terrorism is opportunistic. And this was an opportunistic act.

      Moreover, criminality and terrorism are not mutually exclusive, as former AG Michael Mukasey said.

      And this tattooed racist thug fits the definition of domestic terrorist.

      • trees March 20th, 2015 at 2:05 pm

        That’s fine, we’ll call him a Neo-Nazi terrorist and we’ll cause Islamic terrorism, terrorism too….

        I’m good with that.

  7. No way out March 19th, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    gold old white wing loon

  8. granpa.usthai March 20th, 2015 at 1:33 am

    Doc is calling it right.