By D.B. Hirsch
April 15, 2015 8:30 am - NewsBehavingBadly.com
Kroger Stores say a squirt gun that shoots water is a safety hazard. But carrying a gun that fires bullets is okay in their stores. NO, REALLY. Find out how to protest this nonsense (about the bullet thing) at Moms Demand Action – Groceries Not Guns. Open thread below….…
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
whatthe46 April 15th, 2015 at 9:35 am
so, let me get this straight. they are more concerned about a “slip and fall” than a hole in someones head, crime scene tape, brain matter on fruit, blood contamination, etc., etc. gotcha.
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Yes, because we know licensed adults are ALWAYS pulling their weapons and firing indiscriminately around the store, just because. Yep, happens at least 12 times a day, in every store in America.
whatthe46 April 15th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
It appeared, from your post, that you expected such occurrences to happen with the same frequency as a kid deploying a squirt gun. I was just illustrating the unlikelyhood of it, through a bit of ridiculous juxtaposition to the actual probability.
Suzanne McFly April 15th, 2015 at 9:53 am
I hope this new “freedom” they are allowing to occur in their stores is hurting their wallets.
Red Eye Robot April 15th, 2015 at 10:11 am
Kroger stock is up $31 a share since april 15 2014, Kroger beat earnings estimates, Profits up 23% http://www.wsj.com/articles/kroger-profit-rises-23-outlook-beats-views-1425565050.
Suzanne McFly April 15th, 2015 at 10:29 am
So I would interpret this to mean that in the locations of Kroger stores, there are people with more money than brains.
arc99 April 15th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Costco has a no firearms policy. They are doing quite well.
I am not a clueless right winger so I doubt that either Kroger or Costco’s financial success is due to their firearms policies.
I will leave that wholly unsubstantiated conclusion to you and the rest of the right wingers as you continue your standard practice of holding opinions with no intelligent rational, factual argument to support your claims.
Red Eye Robot April 15th, 2015 at 11:54 am
I’m sorry, did you get all that from my reply? You are aware for the last year the gun grabbers have been waging a boycott and social media campaign that expresses the exact sentiment Susanne expressed. My post merely pointed out it has been wholly unsuccessful. I made no claims that Kroger’s gun policy is the cause of their success. The only thing I can state for sure is that the number of people who are bothered by Kroger’s gun policy is so infinitesimally small that it has had zero effect on Kroger’s bottom line. You may now return to seeing things in my posts that I didn’t write.
Obewon April 15th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Since 4/10/15 Kroger is falling like a rock loosing 5%! Select “1 W” or “1 M” for a reality check debunking Robot’s WND & Breitbart faux news stories, http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/KR:US/chart
Moms demand action in everytown via RW Bible Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2015/04/14/bloomberg-backed-gun-control-group-upping-ante-to-end-open-carry-at-kroger/
Red Eye Robot April 15th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
Falling like a rock! from $44.20 a share april 15 2014 to $74.23 at 2:51 PM today
Obewon April 15th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Fur reals? Today you & Kroger got shot dead on the Wall Street aisle.
KR:US73.9100 USD1.3100 1.74%
anothertoothpick April 15th, 2015 at 10:40 am
Getting ready to pick up some milk for the kids?
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Let’s think this out. A kid with a squirt gun is most likely going to “fire” it, getting water on the floor. A child doesn’t have the restraint to refrain from utilizing the squirt gun in the store. An adult, LEGALLY carrying a firearm will only use it in the highly unlikely event that his life or the life of another person is being threatened. Seems to me that this is a common sense issue. A child with a squirt gun will most likely create a wet floor hazard, while a CCW will only fire to save a life, which has a low probability of coming to pass. Moms Deman Action is all about overreacting to a non-existent “threat” of people deciding to turn the deli into the O.K. Corral. In other words, they LOVE to generate irrational fear and incite panic.
Bunya April 15th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Why does someone need a loaded firearm in a grocery store, and what did people do before guns were allowed in public places? Does Kroger request to see their license and proof of sanity before a gun owner enters their store?
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
Someone doesn’t NEED a firearm, until he needs it. That need might arise in a grocery store, at a gas station, in a restaurant or even at one’s home. It would be awfully inconvenient to need one and not have it. As far as Kroger asking to see anything, I don’t think they’re required by any laws, to do that.
Bunya April 15th, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Let’s say an argument breaks out in the store between two hotheads. One has a loaded firearm and the other is armed with only a bag of broccoli. Who stands a better chance of getting out of the store alive?
Or better yet, what if two people are standing in the checkout line. the man reaches into his pocket for his wallet and accidentally discharges his gun (it could happen), hitting and killing the woman behind him? Nobody actually anticipates an accident occurring, but having a loaded weapon at one’s disposal increases the chances of the accident turning into a fatality.
illinoisboy1977 April 19th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
In those instances, you prosecute the dangerous or reckless individual. You don’t punish someone by taking away his rights, BEFORE he’s done anything wrong. That’s not how the law is supposed to work. You have to be able to PROVE that someone is unfit to carry a gun, before you can take the right away.
whatthe46 April 19th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
yeah, we’ll just wait until they go off the deep end and murder a dozen people or so.
illinoisboy1977 April 19th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
So, you’re okay with denying people their rights, absent any criminal activity on their part, simply because you think someone, somewhere may decide to kill people? Sorry, but that doesn’t make any sense. Criminals only reveal themselves to be criminal, by committing a criminal act. That’s the nature of cause and effect.
Bunya April 20th, 2015 at 11:35 am
How can one prove a person who was deemed sane when he purchased his weapon, somebody one day won’t go mad? Having a lethal weapon at one’s disposal, sure makes it mighty convenient to use it. And once somebody is shot dead, that’s it. They’re are no “do overs”.
illinoisboy1977 April 20th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
The law isn’t about preventing people from being harmed. It’s about punishing those who have done harm. It’s designed to be more reactionary, than preventative. The Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement has no obligation to keep you safe. Their obligation is to pursue those who have already done you harm. The only one responsible for keeping you safe, is you.
That being said, the law gives us the option to arm ourselves against possible harm. We, as citizens are expected to act responsibly with that power. If someone does not, he is punished in accordance with the law. Someone may be hurt or dead by that time, but that’s not the fault of the law or any policy. It’s ONLY the fault of the shooter, by his irresponsible or criminal acts. I wish we lived in a world where guns were unnecessary, but we don’t. Until the crime rate drops to zero, I’ll maintain my ability to protect my family and my property.
Bunya April 20th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Yes, we are expected to act responsibly, but that doesn’t mean anyone follows the rules. For example, if a sign says “no turn on red” and a motorist sees nobody in sight, so he turns on red, it’s no big deal because nobody is killed. Until firearms become a bit more difficult to use, we all are sitting ducks, waiting for some crazy person to go on a shooting spree.
If you want to have a gun in your house, more power to you. If you leave your gun lying around and someone gets their hands on it, shoots and kills somebody, their death will be on your hands. Even if your gun is stolen, you still bear the guilt of knowing your firearm was used in a fatality.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 11:02 am
I’m not a sitting duck. Sitting ducks don’t fight back. If someone wants to target me, he’d better kill me with the first shot. Otherwise, I’m taking him with me.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Of course YOU’RE not a sitting duck. You have your fully loaded killing device ready to use however you wish. But those of us who don’t own or carry guns are sitting ducks, just waiting for some gun nut to go psychotic and take us out.
Sure, the killer will be arrested and jailed (and maybe get out in 5 years). Big deal. I’d be dead. How does that help those I’ve left behind?
If you want a gun, keep in in your home so only your family members are killed. Don’t take them out in public.
Warman1138 April 15th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
And how does anybody tell if it isn’t some nutter getting into position to go off the deep end. Paranoia is a prime factor in mental illness and what’s more paranoid than carrying a loaded firearm everywhere.
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
You confuse preparation with paranoia. People don’t carry guns because they think something WILL happen. They carry IN CASE something does. You can’t honestly tell me you don’t know the difference.
Warman1138 April 15th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
If you have to carry a gun everywhere in case something happens, that’s paranoia and that’s the difference.
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Once again, your definition of paranoia is incorrect. Arming oneself against possible attack is not paranoia. Stating that there is definitely going to be an attack, with no evidence to support your declaration, is a sign of paranoia.
Warman1138 April 15th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
And what is more scary, an armed stranger in public or an unarmed one? ( there will be no more responses after this so you can have the last word )
illinoisboy1977 April 15th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Okay, final word: “Scary” is subjective and completely irrelevant. The right to defend oneself, as well as others, against a possible threat, has been found to be Constitutionally protected and guaranteed. Businesses have the right to allow people to remain armed, in their establishments.
Even if a threat never presents itself, the existant right of an individual to maintain a state of readiness, for such an eventuality, far outweighs the perceived right of an individual to “feel” secure in public.
whatthe46 April 19th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
“…LEGALLY carrying a firearm will only use it in the highly unlikely event that his life or the life of another person is being threatened.” how are we suppose to know they aren’t nuts?
illinoisboy1977 April 19th, 2015 at 10:20 pm
How are you supposed to know they ARE?
Warman1138 April 15th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
Kroger has gone totally mindless.
allison1050 April 15th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
It’s southern isn’t it?
Warman1138 April 15th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
allison1050 April 15th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
I think so I’d have to check on it but it just sounds like another southern dumb idea doesn’t it?
allison1050 April 15th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Well, I guess they don’t want a customer to slip on a wet floor.
rg9rts April 16th, 2015 at 7:03 am
Survive the sand storm?
allison1050 April 16th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Hey There!! It was horrible especially for allergies. When I had to go out I had to wear a mask but thank goodness it ended in the wee hours yesterday am, the silence awaken me. How’ve you been?