Military Showdown With Iran?
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If their military commanders act stupidly, the nuclear deal could and should be off.
In a stepped-up response to Iranian backing of Shiite rebels in Yemen, the Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is steaming toward the waters off Yemen to beef up security and join other American ships that are prepared to intercept any Iranian vessels carrying weapons to the Houthi rebels.
The deployment comes after a U.N. Security Council resolution approved last week imposed an arms embargo on leaders of the Iranian-backed Shiite Houthi rebels. The resolution passed in a 14-0 vote with Russia abstaining.
Navy officials said Monday that the Roosevelt was moving through the Arabian Sea. A massive ship that carries F/A-18 fighter jets, the Roosevelt is seen more of a deterrent and show of force in the region.
The U.S. Navy has been beefing up its presence in the Gulf of Aden and the southern Arabian Sea in response to reports that a convoy of about eight Iranian ships is heading toward Yemen and possibly carrying arms for the Houthis. Navy officials said there are about nine U.S. warships in the region, including cruisers and destroyers carrying teams that can board and search other vessels.
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Buford2k11 April 21st, 2015 at 9:33 am
Do the republicans get the war they so wanted? if this is so, then so it ends our Democracy as we know it…
Anomaly 100 April 21st, 2015 at 9:37 am
Oh boy, another war could be looming! Gotta admire the GOP’s bloodlust. They are consistent at least.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:03 pm
Making stuff up, are we? Who ordered the navy to intercept the Iranian vessels?
A) I did
B) Hillary Clinton did
C) you did
D) nobody did
E) Barack Obama did
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:06 pm
The Navy was ordered to intercept the Iranian vessels? Really? How do you know what their orders are?
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:14 pm
I got that from this website.
Dwendt44 April 21st, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Or maybe the Pentagon ordered the ship into the area. the president doesn’t run the military on a day by day basis.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:35 pm
Well, that would be embarrassing, wouldn’t it?
“Mr President, I took the liberty of making a command decision that could lead to a war, while you were out golfing.”
Obama, “you did what??”
Lol….
Dwendt44 April 21st, 2015 at 1:51 pm
You ignorance extends to military matters I see.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:48 am
…la, la la, la -just remembering the 6 week Iraq kake walk.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:49 am
now, watch this drive!
DieselJohnson April 22nd, 2015 at 7:32 am
Stranger things have happened these past few months.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:11 pm
Whether the President gives the order or not, he’s the commander-in-chief and is therefore the one who’s ultimately responsible for all U.S. military activity. When you’re the man in charge, you’re accountable for the actions of those you command. Ignorance of those actions is no defense, it’s an admission of gross ineptitude.
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 2:11 pm
No one said Obama was ignorant of these actions. You are delusional.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Did I say he was? No. I said that if he tried to claim he was, it would be no defense. So, how am I delusional, exactly?
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 2:31 pm
“Ignorance of those actions is no defense”
Yes, you did say he was. You are such a bad liar.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:56 pm
You intimated that the President isn’t involved in the day-to-day movement of ships. My statement meant that IF he’s ignorant of those movements, that would be no defense; not that he IS ignorant of those movements. Nice try, though. I also like how you resort to name-calling people, with whom you disagree. Really grown-up, there!
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 3:03 pm
Specifically where did I intimate that the president isn’t involved in the day to day movement of ships? Please quote me directly, word for word, or admit you are a liar.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Apologies. It wasn’t you who said it, it was Dwendt44. Still I wasn’t saying that the President IS ignorant of the situation, I was saying that IF he was ignorant of the situation, that would be no defense.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:45 am
I’ll Abu Ghraib that! -and raise you Beirut Bomb.
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:15 pm
“In a stepped-up response to Iranian backing of Shiite rebels in Yemen, the Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is steaming toward the waters off Yemen to beef up security and join other American ships that are prepared to intercept any Iranian vessels carrying weapons to the Houthi rebels”
“They know president Obama is weak. They’re exploiting this weakness”
“Weakness is letting the world know that you will not take military action, after saying that you would.”
It’s not everyday we see a right wing Fox-sheep contradict himself in one thread.
Congratulations.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 2:22 pm
No Contradiction
Obama has demonstrated weakness, in words and deeds.
Iran is acting without fear.
Let’s see who blinks.
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:27 pm
You stated to the effect that the President is weak, and the Iranians would act with impunity then you stated that The President sent a carrier into the area to intercept weapons laden vessels. Which is it?
Having actually served aboard an aircraft carrier (three years aboard the (USS John F. Kennedy), I can tell you with complete confidence that sending an aircraft carrier into an area is not a sign of weakness.
When you make up your mind please let us know.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Tell you what, when the Obama camp figures out what the policy is concerning Iran and the arms embargo with Yemen you get back to me, mkay???
William April 21st, 2015 at 8:56 pm
but back in Washington, officials can’t seem to agree on why.
and what officials would that be?
William April 21st, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Yeah, so you can cut and paste. That still doesn’t explain your contradiction.
IE your assertion that the President is weak on Iran, yet a carrier task force is shadowing an Iranian arms convoy.
Face it. In your overwhelming zeal to project your Obama derangement syndrome , you stepped in your own sh!t…again.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:09 pm
He’s weak because he’s all bluster.
He’s got ships in an apparent blockade, but rather than state that he will block Iran, his state department spokesman says….
????
Meanwhile…..
Obama is so weak he can’t even declare that the Navy is there to enforce the arms embargo…..
William April 21st, 2015 at 9:32 pm
The President doesn’t need to declare anything, and it’s actually good that he doesn’t. That’s basic military tactics 101. Imagine how the right wing media machine would have f^cked up the Bin Laden mission, had they been privy to it.
I’ll tell you what. My gut, and my twenty years in the Navy tell me that this task force has actual tacticians dealing with this issue.
I’m going to go with what the President, the joint chiefs and Cinc-med have planned.
You can keep listening to, cutting and pasting your Fox fed right wing media outlets, their “theories”, and of course your own *snicker* extensive expertise in blue water operations.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 9:28 pm
PENTAGON
Officials giving mixed messages on why US aircraft carrier shadowing Iranian convoy
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From the Fox filter
Isn’t that what they SHOULD be doing?
Why should they telegraph?
Meanwhile;
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/20/politics/iran-united-states-warships-monitoring/
As opposed to 2008?
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Yeah, being indecisive is a brilliant strategy……
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 9:48 pm
There is no indecision at all.
That is just in the fantasies of Right Wing World.
“The warships are being deployed to monitor ships traveling from Iran that could be trafficking arms to Houthi rebels in Yemen, U.S. officials told CNN, saying the move was also meant to reassure allies in the region.
“By having American sea power in the region, we have created options for ourselves,” said Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren.
That’s pretty clear, but what military people say to other military people and what diplomats say to other diplomats are often very different, and that is also pretty standard.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:54 pm
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 10:14 pm
So you think it would be useful to telegraph our military intentions to the world?
I knew you were stupid, but you have definitely proved it.
Your virulent, all-consuming hate will be your downfall.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 10:22 pm
So what?
That’s the way State talks.
That’s why nobody but Fox reports it like that.
It’s normal, standard procedure.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 10:24 pm
That’s the way diplomats talk.
That’s why Fox is the only one makes an issue of it, for the spin.
It’s pretty standard.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 10:39 pm
And Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, said the Roosevelt is there to assure the waterways are open. But, he added: “They have moved to that area in response to the deteriorating security situation in Yemen. Many have asked me whether or not they are there because of the Iranian ship convoy or flotilla that is also in the area. That is certainly one of the factors.”
The Roosevelt also brings to the situation off Yemen a strong command and control function that could help coordinate any efforts by the other U.S. Navy ships. Carriers don’t routinely carry search and seizure teams, and generally would play no role in any interdiction, other than to be a strong show of U.S. military might.
So what?
And good night
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:41 am
worked well in Romney’s 2012 projected landslide – until the people re-elected POTUS Obama in record time!
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Obama has demonstrated weakness, in words and deeds.
________
No, he has not.
Reagan did.
BushCheney did.
Iran is acting without fear.
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Iran is acting like EVERYONE expects them to act in regions where they have Shia, just as they expect the saudis to do regarding THEIR “sphere of influence’.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:38 am
does Iran not blinking first because they get blown out of the water before they have time to back off count?
not necessarily an act of war, could be an accident like an airliner being shot down by mistake.
Guess the weakest POTUS in our nation’s history (Ronald Reagan) was so weak he was too chicken to respond?
by your words
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:34 am
ONLY the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces has the ability to tell an aircraft carrier where to go.
off topic, but CHINA is turning out 1 about every 3 months now.
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 10:51 am
Why would Iran risk the possibility of having the sanctions removed? Something is fishy.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Iran knows the red line is empty rhetoric.
They will not stop their nuclear weapons program.
The Republicans have zero to do with Iran’s deception.
Iran has religious and longstanding cultural reasons for wanting nuclear weapons. Iran wants to vaporize the nation of Israel.
The Iranians are experts in deception.
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:17 pm
How do you know what Iran knows? Perhaps an extended period of enhanced interrogation will loosen your lips and we will find out everything you know about Iran.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:24 pm
Or, you could listen to the Iranians themselves. They have stated their intentions on numerous occasions….
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:26 pm
Specifically where did the Iranians say they know the red line is empty rhetoric?
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Are you saying that Obama backed up his red line statement with action?
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Here the right winger fails to take personal responsibility for his own words.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Empty rhetoric,
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Specifically where did the Iranians say they know the red line is empty rhetoric?
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 5:38 pm
The red line was to get Syria to abandon its chemical weapons.
Mission accomplished. Next.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:30 am
what’s your definition of ‘action’?
(BTW – you still haven’t gotten an up vote from me yet)
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 6:10 pm
So when President Obama talks about a “red line” on Syria’s chemical weapons, that’s just empty rhetoric, despite the resounding success of the policy.
But Iran’s repeated bluster about destroying Israel is NOT empty rhetoric, despite the fact that they will never have the means to accomplish this.
Your logic is faulty, and distorted by your irrational hate and fear.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 1:25 pm
This has been going on since Reagan armed them.
EVERYBODY wants nuclear weapons especially since we BushCheney made clear that THAT is the only way to be assured of NOT getting attacked.
The civil war in Yemen began in 2004.
One of the biggest problems with America’s Mideast policy in recent years has been that, from Saudi Arabia to Pakistan to Egypt, the governments the United States supports preside over populations that hate the U.S. …. Not so with the Iranian people.
[The Iranians are experts in deception.]
How do you know???
Have you ever tried to deal with them, since selling them weapons??
Is that why Haliburton AND Reagan did??
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:27 am
I’m still thinking Reagan traded nuclear warheads with Iran.
If you look at the changes in attitude that took place in the entire region during that time period …
adds up to NUCLEAR to me.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 1:50 pm
“Iran knows the red line is empty rhetoric.”
Really? You know this for a fact? Post your source please.
.
“Iran wants to vaporize the nation of Israel.”
Last I heard, Netanyahu was crying for us to take care of Iran.
.
If we end up going to war, I hope you’re prepared to enlist, or at least have your kids enlist. I’m sure they wouldn’t want to be left out of the Armageddon you so desperately want.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Mkay, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Empty_rhetoric
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:57 pm
That’s not a source that says Iran knows anything.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:02 pm
You seem to be a little slow on the uptake. Let me put it this way; did Iran tell you the red line was empty rhetoric? Because I can’t find anything he said about that.
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And I wish to rephrase my last statement. It should have said; “…of the Armageddon YOU APPEAR to so desperately want.” After all, I wouldn’t want to be perceived as a liar – like some right wingers on this site.
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:07 pm
They will not stop their nuclear weapons program.
Well lets see here. Now who sold Iran nuclear technology?
Oh right.
https://youtu.be/-lD3KzN1wPU
Please continue bagger.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:23 am
why should they halt what they want?
who better to decide than themselves?
do you want me to tell you what you want?
like it or not?
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:25 pm
They know president Obama is weak. They’re exploiting this weakness
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Obama is not weak, You are lying. Shame on you. What kind of American lies about his own president? A patriotic American would never consider it, a traitor would not hesitate.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:31 pm
A patriotic American tells the truth, even when it sucks to do so. I wish I could say Obama is a strong leader who knows what he’s doing….
And not just me, a lot of people wish they could do this.
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 1:34 pm
You are no patriotic American. You are a right wing traitor.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:21 am
I’m giving you an up vote for HONESTY too.
(and trees still doesn’t have one)
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 1:43 pm
A “patriotic American” is defined as anyone who agrees with me?
Seems like you guys questioned the patriotism of ANYONE who warned BushCheney what would happen when they blew up Iraq.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 1:50 pm
I think you’ve got the definition wrong, let’s check with our authority……
Apparently, a “patriot” is anyone who agrees with the character calling themself, “republicans are Evil”…..
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 1:59 pm
I guess it’s mutual between you two.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 3:26 pm
I am a patriotic American.
I have absolutely no problem saying President Obama is a strong leader who knows what he is doing.
I wish I could say that American conservatives are loyal patriots who will put aside partisan differences to do what is best for the country instead of engaging in hypocritical condemnation of the President for purely political purposes. And not just me, a lot of people wish they could do this.
Your immediate deflection away from the fact that he accomplished what his predecessor could not (bin Laden) simply underlines the inherent intellectual dishonesty of your post.
President Bush had 8 years to get bin Laden and failed to do so. Was he a weak leader who did not know what he was doing? ISIS has been a threat for less than two years but you already pass judgement on President Obama.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 3:39 pm
The intelligence that was gathered that led to the capture of Bin Laden was cultivated under which administration? How did Obama find out where Bin Laden was hiding? Was it the intelligence policies and intelligence gathering of the Bush administration, and the continuation of these policies that led to the capture of Bin Laden, or did Obama achieve this accomplishment on his own, independently and in spite of the best efforts of the previous administration??
I am a patriotic American.
Do you say the same of Bush?
Is it president Bush in your vocabulary, or is it just Bush?
William April 21st, 2015 at 3:53 pm
” Was it the intelligence policies and intelligence gathering of the Bush administration, and the continuation of these policies that led to the capture of Bin Laden, or did Obama achieve this accomplishment on his own, independently and in spite of the best efforts of the previous administration??”
“I don’t know where he is, I don’t spend that much time on it”
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha.
https://youtu.be/4PGmnz5Ow-o
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 4:01 pm
The intelligence that was gathered that led to the capture of Bin Laden was cultivated under which administration?
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In 2006, the CIA actually closed its unit dedicated to finding bin Laden, though agents said tracking him remained a high priority.
And they did NOT get useful information from torture.
The Bush administration was not interested;
Barnes said Bush told him that capturing bin Laden is “not a top priority use of American resources.”
“Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really
indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest
with you.”
– GW Bush,2006.
I think they were never going to allow him to get in the way of their 1990’s plan to invade Iraq.
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Bush was never legitimately elected. I refuse to use the title of the office he stole through fraud.
He was not a strong leader. He was an incredibly weak leader. He damaged the US military, he wasted thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, he ruined the reputation of the United States with his torture policy, he alienated our allies and emboldened our enemies. He squandered the good will that the entire world had for us after 9/11 with his reckless warmongering.
You just think he’s a strong leader because he killed a lot of innocent brown people.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:19 am
you get another up vote for HONESTY.
(trees still has NONE)
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 5:18 pm
Did you even read my post where I said
“”President Bush had 8 years to get bin Laden and failed to do so.””
That should answer your question about my references to the former President.
If is fascinating how you critics of President Obama insist he take responsibility for what happens on his watch but when America achieves an undeniable victory, you tie yourselves into knots trying to argue that he deserves little or no credit.
Your conjecture about what intelligence was available at what point is meaningless noise. The President takes the credit or the blame for what happens on his watch.
Bin Laden was killed two and a half years after Mr. Obama was inaugurated. Mr. Bush had 7 years to accomplish the mention and failed. Mr. Obama got it done in less than three years. You are welcome to your partisan unsubstantiated conjecture. I will base my opinions on the facts available to us. The current President succeeded, the previous President did not given more than twice the time.
Was President Bush a strong leader? His policies produced a catastrophe where we incurred 35,000+ military casualties and over $1trillion in taxpayer dollars for weapons that did not exist. Certainly not a record to be proud of.
By the way, is President Obama in your vocabulary, or is it just Obama? Pretty hypocritical of you to snark about the comments of other people when you are guilty of the same type of comments.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 5:30 pm
I have referred to him as “president Obama” repeatedly, and if you’ve read my posts then you’ve surely seen this. If you’re looking for examples where I’ve omitted the title of president, you’ll find them. Yes, for the sake of convenience I have dropped the formal title of “president”, and I’ve done it consistently, whether referring to Bush, or Obama…..
bpollen April 21st, 2015 at 3:48 pm
So, by your definition, you are liar. Unless you can show where you get your SCOOP about the mindset of the Iranian power structure.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 4:09 pm
So, by your definition, you are liar. Unless you can show where you get your SCOOP about the mindset of the Iranian power structure.
lol…..I see where the other day you were discussing symbolism in regards to the flag, glad to be of help with that….
You’re making great progress. You now understand symbolism as it relates to the flag. That’s fantastic, good for you.
Now concentrate, if Obama makes a rhetorical statement wherein he pledges to take action, and if he then fails to take the action that he’s pledged, he has….
A) failed, demonstrating weakness
B) failed, demonstrating strength
Extra credit question, “Do you think that Iran is able to see and understand world events?
bpollen April 21st, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Again, you are sidestepping the question. WHERE is your scoop? Where is your inside line to the Iranian hierarchy? You infer, and then claim it’s fact. Snide comments don’t support your position. You don’t even know what the guy closest to you is thinking, yet you know just how the Iranian government perceives things? Wait… are you Jeanne Dixon?
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 5:24 pm
Now concentrate, if Obama makes a rhetorical statement wherein he pledges to take action, and if he then fails to take the action that he’s pledged, he has….
A) failed, demonstrating weakness
B) failed, demonstrating strength
Extra credit question, “Do you think that Iran is able to see and understand world events?”
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The flaw in the logic is that there is no failure.
What, exactly are you calling “failure”??
*Extra credit question, Do you think that Obama’s critics on the right are able to see and understand world events?
bpollen April 22nd, 2015 at 3:17 am
OK, you admit you don’t have proof. So, it can be INFERRED that you are blowing smoke. How’s my education coming? You don’t present evidence for your assertions, but you do get condescending and then come back with “but what about Scarecrow’s brain?” Now concentrate:
Where is your proof? Failure to provide support for your contention is, by default, admitting that you have nothing. Did I go too fast?
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 4:58 pm
The “truth” is that you’re a racist bigot, and nothing President Obama does will ever satisfy you.
Even the killing of bin Laden. You even try to suggest that it was Dubya who was the hero? Why? Because he’s white?
Dubya made it clear he didn’t care about bin Laden, and said so in so many words. He disbanded the CIA unit that was tasked to find him.
President Obama refocused the mission and made it a priority. That’s why the Abbotabad operation succeeded.
But you would rather stab your eyes out with shards of glass than give any credit to a Black man.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 5:05 pm
I guess when ya got nothin you play the race card.
Awesome job JJ, well done.
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Got you pegged, haven’t I.
Your arguments have been completely refuted by myself and others. The accusation of racism is merely an attempt to understand your irrational motivations. I’m glad I’m close to the mark.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 7:34 pm
You’re clearly a legend in your own mind.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:12 am
and a whole lot of other LL citizens
oh lookie, I just gave jj an up vote for being HONEST.
you didn’t get one though.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 5:22 pm
I guess when ya got nothin you play the race card.
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I don’t know if that is the race card or not, but sometimes that IS the only difference that explains the difference in treatment.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:10 am
like you said – a patriot will tell the truth.
kinda JEALOUS that an Hawaiian is the better of GW and any other Republican POTUS, eh?
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 6:08 am
… tells the truth
well, that scratches the REPUBLIKON Party off the Patriotic list!
I can say Obama is a strong leader.
So strong in fact, that Mad Vlad took a few steps backwards.
So strong that Osama bin Laden hasn’t said one word against America, or made one single threat since May 2, 2011.
So strong that GM was kept from going under even with the entire RepubliKon Party fighting against him every step of the way.
Dwendt44 April 21st, 2015 at 1:57 pm
‘Weak’ as defined by right wing nut jobs means a person doesn’t attack with everything they’ve got at the slightest problem or disagreement.
Trying for negotiations and treaties instead of starting a war is a sign of weakness to them.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 2:04 pm
Weakness is letting the world know that you will not take military action, after saying that you would.
For instance, http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/20/world/meast/syria-unrest/
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 2:06 pm
You still have not answered me question.
Specifically where did the Iranians say they know the red line is empty rhetoric?
trees April 21st, 2015 at 2:09 pm
The answer is self evident to anyone who understands the definition of “empty rhetoric”
Republicans_are_Evil April 21st, 2015 at 2:10 pm
It’s so self evident, you can’t answer my question. Very telling.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Very good. You know the definition of “red line” and “rhetorical”. Now, back to your statement, “Iran knows the red line is empty rhetoric”. We’d just like to know as to where you received your information that, “IRAN KNOWS THE RED LINE IS EMPTY RHETORIC”.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 2:51 pm
The answer is self evident to anyone who understands the definition of “empty rhetoric”
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How is that different from what they say about EVERY POTUS???
Red line?
Where? Syria??
Assad disarmed without a shout fired.
August 31, 2013
Syria:
Putin rubbishes chemical attack claims
• Russian president goes on offensive
against Obama
Sept 4, 2013
– Putin says Russia could support strike on Syria
Sept 5, 2013 Fearful of a U.S. Strike, Defectors Flee the Syrian Army
Sept 5, 2013
UK has new Syria chemical evidence
Sept 7, 2013
Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, has said that “a clear and strong
response” must be delivered on the use of chemical weapons in Syria
Sept 7, 2013
EU: All info on Syria gas attack points to Assad
Sept 9, 2013;
Kerry says Syria can avoid military strikes if Assad gives up chemical weapons
Sept 9, 2013;
Now Russia urges Syria to hand over its chemical weapons after Kerry gave Assad a week to give them up
Sept. 9, 2013
Syria ‘Welcomed’ Russian Proposal to Destroy Its Chemical Weapons
Sept 10, 2013
Reuters
Putin and Obama discussed idea of putting Syrian chemical weapons under international control on sidelines of G20 last week.
Declared Syrian chemical weapon stockpile now completely destroyed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/08/18/declared-syrian-chemical-weapon-stockpile-now-completely-destroyed/
Meanwhile, funny how, Netanyahu Says Obama Got Syria Right
19 MAY 22, 2014 10:36 PM EDT
By Jeffrey Goldberg
bpollen April 21st, 2015 at 4:03 pm
Saying it was “self-evident” means you INFERRED it. Not that you have anything to support it. An inference is a deduction, not a fact. Please, support your position with facts if you are able. I personally think it is self-evident that force should be the LAST choice, and you disagree. So, with “self-evident” and a quarter, you could make a phone call. You could also make it without “self-evident,” of course.
craig7120 April 21st, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Gays, Iranians, Iraqis, who else is on your death list?
You’re quite the man, eager for us to kill, not you though, ever served? Killing is what you’re advocating so Iran doesn’t get nuclear military action, right?
Killing is strength?
It’s the weakest action taken. Being a biblical advocate you sure represent the books darkest chapters exceptionally well. Sad, when all you have is contempt for person who is trying negotiations, because he doesn’t strike your enemy, btw why is an Iranian your enemy? Have you a personal story of an Iranian who has done you wrong that you want death showered down on a nation? Please share
Missed ya on a thread when one of your own was advocating killing gays. Gay Iranians must be the scariest thought in your life.
so much anger in your life, hug a puppy
Try atheism again, the christian thing seems to have stopped working, unless you’re in it for the money, than I totally get why you’re a christian.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 4:17 pm
Projection is strong in you, young Jedi
craig7120 April 21st, 2015 at 7:10 pm
Call it anything you like
I’ve spent 7/8 years reading your replys and opinions, one thing I’m sure about is your support of war and torture is consistent. It’s such an underlying theme of yours I’m just surprised you don’t admit it and be proud of your position. Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians is the ultimate war. You spent the Bush years defending war, you spent the Obama years hawking war. Your slant is obviously towards a holy war, don’t matter who starts it, you just want it, that’s just a fact.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 7:20 pm
Very well said. Bravo!
trees April 21st, 2015 at 7:28 pm
I supported our president and country during the Bush administration. As far as, “I spent years hawking war during the Obama administration”…. can you post some of my old posts, refresh my memory? You see, I don’t ever recall “hawking war”, I have been a strong proponent of national security/national defense, but never someone who cheered for a war like some people cheer a sporting event. It’s a pretty callous portrayal, and honestly until today, I’d have thought it beneath you. I thought you were better than that.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 10:53 pm
Oh that’s rich! You’re not hawking war? Not you. You’re just a regular old pacifist, aren’t you?
Let me refresh your memory:
“Iran knows the red line is empty rhetoric.”
Something you have yet to prove (note the words,”Iran KNOWS”.
“They will not stop their nuclear weapons program.”
A great Trees assumption, but I guess that’s good enough reason, for you, to bomb them.
“Iran has religious and longstanding cultural reasons for wanting nuclear weapons. Iran wants to vaporize the nation of Israel.”
Another great trees assumption. In case you haven’t noticed, this longstanding cultural war has been going on for centuries. NOW you want us to get involved. Well then, go ahead. I’ll buy your plane ticket to Iran.
“The Iranians are experts in deception.”
I had no idea you were proficient in middle-eastern affairs. Is your knowledge of Iranian/American relations as vast as your knowledge of the Qur’an and/or the bible?
I must admit, you’re certainly no expert at deception. Although you go to great lengths to disguise it, your hatred of Muslims and your ambition to have them forever obliterated shows through.
jasperjava April 22nd, 2015 at 3:14 am
I think it has been obvious for a long time that you are pro-war. You seen to have an almost orgasmic lust for the prospect of killing innocent people.
This is how you come across, and it has been evident for years. Do you really have so little self-awareness?
craig7120 April 22nd, 2015 at 9:09 am
In your head you might vision yourself a dove during a dem administration, but anyone who has read your opinions can’t come away thinking you’re a give peace a chance guy.
We had this debate before about Irans desire to acquire nuclear technology, if I was Iran I would not let ANY country dictate to me on how to best defend my borders. You on the other hand said while every nation has a right of protection a nuclear Iran was not an option. That statement speaks for itself, no other options are available for negotiations. So you put your finger on the trigger and say I dare you?
Mr Bush blew up the Middle East, with your support, which left Iran & Saudi a vacuum border of war orphans, an oppressed society of young men with no direction other than what the mullahs tell them. But your arrogance thinks threatening a country with more war and killing will some how convince a society to listen to an aggressor?
There’s an uprising happening that W didn’t single handily manifest but boy did he ever give it a turbo boost, we would do well to let that fire burn itself out without our influence or fingerprints on any triggers.
Mr Obama is sitting down with other nations to negotiate a deal and you use words like “weak” to describe his motives, sure you’re entitled to your opinion but I’m standing in front of you to remind you that you was wrong about your support and judgement for a president that got it terribly wrong. Forgive me for not being terribly impressed with your judgements on sitting presidents.
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Syria’s abandonment of its chemical weapons was a resounding success of Obama’s foreign policy.
Just because you didn’t salivate at the sight of mutilated bodies of brown people, doesn’t mean the objective wasn’t reached.
You’re a creepy kind of “Christian”. You never seem happy unless there are lots and lots of bloody corpses laying around.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:58 am
and not 1 American would be held hostage when Reagan was POTUS either!
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 1:38 pm
That’s what WE said about Reagan.
He DID give the Iranians everything they wanted, AND inadvertently created al Qaeda, AND taught Osama bin Ladin that THEY can bring down a super power.
And…
“We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier. He is ready
to wage cold wars but unprepared to fight hot wars. This was proven in Beirut when the Marines fled after two explosions, showing they can run in less than twenty-four hours.”
Osama bin Ladin
“Bandar bin Sultan: This is ironic. In the mid-’80s, if you remember, we and the United – Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He [Osama bin Laden] came to thank me for my efforts to bring the
Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists. Isn’t it ironic?”
Then… Bush delivered Iran into the ever loving arms of Iran.
As far as weakness, Obama has a long way to go to cath up to these guys.
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:03 pm
“They know president Obama is weak. They’re exploiting this weakness”
Yeah just ask Osama Bin Laden.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 2:06 pm
Or ISIS, you know, those junior varsity guys….
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:20 pm
WTF are you taking about?
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:55 am
what do you expect from a bunch of guys created by GW’s miserable failures in Iraq?
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:54 am
and that would never ever happen with a WHITE boy RepubliKKKon in the White House?
ExPFCWintergreen April 21st, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Americans, especially of the Right-Wing Nutjob variety, famously over-estimate the coherence and centralization of power in illiberal regimes like Iran. The fact is that Iranian foreign policy is always torn between two — and sometimes three — rival power centers: the Supreme Council and the presidency (and sometimes the military, especially the Basij). Support for Shi’a militias like the Houthi rebels in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon is typically the goal of the military wing, so it’s very likely that the military, in coordination with those in the presidency who moved on the nuclear deal, are trying to reassure the Supreme Council of their commitment to Iranian regional goals and are trying to demonstrate they weren’t cowed into submission by the USA by escalating their support to fighters in Yemen. It’s a risky strategy — as we can see — but one that was probably politically necessary given the pushback against the deal among the religious fanatics (in the USA).
fahvel April 21st, 2015 at 10:55 am
well hell usa, brinhg on the end times. when ya don’t like em, blow the hell out of em. Maybe your looney xians are right and it’s just around the corner. SICK!!!!!!!!!!
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:00 pm
This isn’t a unilateral decision, by the U.S. It’s a U.N. sanctioned embargo, agreed upon by the United States and 13 other nations. What’s so sick about keeping weapons out of terrorist hands, anyway?
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:12 pm
“What’s so sick about keeping weapons out of terrorist hands, anyway.”
More to the point is, why are we selecting who is allowed to have WMD’s and who isn’t? Israel has nukes and, if you ask me, they’re the terrorists. Netanyahu is just itching for the US to invade Iraq. Now if Israel wants to invade Iraq on their own without US interference, I say “more power to ’em”.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:16 pm
“Why are we selecting who is allowed to have WMDs and who isn’t?”
That’s an easy one. It’s because we don’t murder people for their religious views, sexual preferences, extramarital habits or mere words that come from their mouths. Until those nations grow up and behave in a civilized manner, I have no problem with us sticking them at the “kids’ table”.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:30 pm
So? Who are you to dictate protocol to other countries?
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Who am I? Nobody special. However, our nation is the United States of America and that’s all that needs to be said, on that matter.
fahvel April 21st, 2015 at 3:32 pm
and that moronic statement other than you being nobody special, is what has the rest of the world looking askance at the usa today.
bpollen April 21st, 2015 at 3:59 pm
However, our nation is the United States of America and that’s all that needs to be said, on that matter.
That’s the functional equivalent of saying “Ducks are birds, and that’s all that needs to be said on that matter.” The fact that we are the USA as opposed to Mexico in no way makes your position any more correct. Much the same way as any non-sequitur really doesn’t impinge on the subject at hand.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:51 am
ever heard of CHINA 2015?
fahvel April 21st, 2015 at 3:31 pm
what an audacious fool. Your morals vs someone elses? what the hell gives you any authority over what others do outside of your culture which abuses women’s rights, degrades sexual choices, frowns on anything outside of marriage, and of course, cops who like to shoot young black men
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 4:40 pm
You think the Iraq War is an example of a nation behaving in a “civilized manner”?
Maybe we don’t kill people for their religion, but we kill them if they have resources we want and there are profits to be made. I’ll leave that to you to decide if that’s “civilized” or not.
fahvel April 21st, 2015 at 3:29 pm
when the usa runs the show with the BIG deterrent, the other 13 countries are just puppets. The usa started the whole mess and is continuing to maintain the tension and the anger. America throws in its big ship while the so-called terrorists use what they have to conserve of preserve what they see as their rightful claim on a land they have lived in for 7 thousand years. Your american chauvanism is part and parcel of one of the ugliest periods of the us’s history.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Um, yeah…..
I don’t know if you’ve noticed…..
But the guy throwing the big boat around is Obama.
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 5:53 pm
And that, I suppose, is a show of “weakness”.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 6:00 pm
I don’t know, why don’t you tell me…..
Is Obama compensating?
What is it that you say about gun owners? Something about feelings of inadequacy….
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 9:31 pm
If Obama doesn’t use force, it’s a show of weakness. If he does use force, he’s overcompensating.
He can never do anything right, according to you, because your irrational hate supersedes any logic.
Hate is all you are capable of. That’s why you’re a so-called “Christian” lusting for innocent blood.
William April 21st, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Exactly, Tree-dummy is so busy tripping over his own ignorance that he contradicted his position. IE, the President is weak, BUT he has a task force shadowing an arms convoy.
I’m sure he has his ear glued to the rhetoric of other military experts..like..*giggle* Hannidy, Limbaugh, Levine and O’Reilly.
fahvel April 22nd, 2015 at 2:49 am
the Obama burr in your bun seems to have reached all they way up to the cranial hollow.
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:49 am
unfortunately his racism against the First Hawaiian POTUS has him filled with such anger, he confuses Reagan with Obama.
fahvel April 22nd, 2015 at 2:44 am
and that brilliant bit of news from the one dead tree in the forest means what?
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 1:58 pm
The only thing Iran respects is force. If the only way to enforce the embargo is through the use of military force, I have no problem with that. They need to be knocked down a peg or two, anyway. Any nation that openly advocates for the murder of people, based on their religion, should see its government overthrown and its officials imprisoned.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Who are you? The world police? In that case, maybe we should have other countries force us to conform to their ideals. Perhaps Canada should invade us and force all that government subsidized healthcare on us.
pignose4.0 April 21st, 2015 at 2:40 pm
Genocide is OK ? We just watch and do nothing ?
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 2:49 pm
So why didn’t we go into Nigeria during the Bush administration? They’ve been committing atrocities on their own people for years.
Do you know the answer? I’ll give you a hint – it’s a 3 letter word that begins with “o” and ends with “l”.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 2:45 pm
First point: I have no problem with us policing the world. Until the people we police quit behaving like zealots and fanatics, I do believe we have every right to keep them in check. If they don’t want to accept our decisions to keep weapons out of their hands, they’re welcome to resist. If they’re able to beat us, I guess they don’t have to honor our decisions anymore.
Second point: If Canada, or anyone else, wants to force anything on us, they’re welcome to try. If we’re not strong enough to resist invaders and insurgents, we deserve our fate.
Final determination: It’s always preferable to operate from a position of strength. Like it or not, we live in a violent world, where the best solution is to keep your enemies weak and yourself strong.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Okay. Are you willing to volunteer to convince the Iranians to, ” quit behaving like zealots and fanatics”? Are you willing to send your kids to fight for what you want? Then fine. Start your own army of blood thirsty lunatics hell bent on starting another deadly conflict. You’ll find many ambitious recruits in the Christian community.
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And you’re right. We DO live in a violent world. And people like you are those who exacerbates the situation. Instead of finding a peaceful solution, you’re willing to let others die for what YOU want.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 3:10 pm
It has nothing to do with want. The fact is, Islamic terrorists will use the weapons they get to kill innocent people. Maybe you’ve seen them murdering people who don’t believe what they believe? As long as they are motivated by irrational criteria, they can’t be reasoned with and diplomacy will fail. So, yes, I believe that the best way to “negotiate” with them, is at the point of a gun. If we don’t fight them on their own soil, I guarantee we’ll be fighting them on ours.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 3:14 pm
“”If we don’t fight them on their own soil, I guarantee we’ll be fighting them on ours.””
I heard the same thing about communists when I was a 10 year old child in 1962.
It was and remains a completely bogus argument. How in the world will hundreds of billions of dollars in military expenditures going to prevent a Saudi college dropout from buying an airline ticket from Riyadh to New York to engage in a terrorist act?
And whose soil are you referring to when you talk about their own soil? Is it Jordan or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Iraq? Exactly how do you propose we wage unilateral war against nominally allied countries?
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 3:22 pm
I’d suggest starting with the countries whose governments have been deposed. Then, partner with the allied nations and offer them equipment and training resources, to help them combat their own extremist elements. Those nations who refuse to contain their extremists are no one’s ally, because they put the rest of the world at risk.
fancypants April 21st, 2015 at 8:59 pm
you have to get that message to the citizens who constantly vote in the war mongering senators & congressmen
otherwise you might as well be waving a Gadsden flag in texas
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:46 am
would Nevada count?
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:45 am
In order to invade American soil, they would have to have a naval invasion fleet. They would then have to leave their port and either sail around the tip of Africa and up the Atlantic or around India and into the Pacific. They would have to supply their invasion force for a month at sea, minimum, or get some really good rates on airways flying into the US – canceling any heavy armaments. Light armaments would be confiscated at their points of entry, they would in effect be an invasion force with no firepower capabilities, and would have to rely-AGAIN- on their good friends in the RepubliKon Party for military support.
Bunya April 21st, 2015 at 3:42 pm
But you’re willing to bomb a whole country because of a few terrorist who may, possibly, get their hands on weapons. LOL! We have goofs bringing the firearms to a grocery store. I’d be more concerned about THEM killing somebody. Besides, how many of these terrorists have used these weapons to kill Americans in America?
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Israel has nuclear weapons. How do we know they won’t turn on us if we refuse to start a war with Iran?
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:36 am
sigh!
not until they build a naval invasion task force.
claiming they’re irrational -when they made such good deals with Reagan’s boys (many of who served with GW) doesn’t add any credibility for RepubliKons in foreign affairs. I suppose anyone could sit in the White House, allow 241 Americans to be turned into crispy fries and still continue a trade of nuclear warheads for hostages while the bodies were still smoldering in the streets, but not too many Americans today would call them very patriotic -except for their most ardent followers. They can be reasoned with when you give them what they want – just ask Oliver North. Also, Russia, China, North Korea and others seem to have no problem reasoning with them. They want to make their own nuclear weapons instead of having to trade with the US under the table for them.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 3:04 pm
I have a big problem with us policing the world. Why is it our responsibility? Why not China or Russia or Britain? Why is it that when we talk about foreign policy, specifically foreign policy which involved the deployment of military force, no one ever talks about the cost to taxpayers.
Yet when the debate turns to spending fractions of that amount to take care of people right here at home with health insurance or unemployment benefits, suddenly we cannot afford it.
I have never understood the benefits of foreign policy based on hypocrisy. We insist on the “right” to dictate terms to other countries in a manner we would never tolerate here at home. Yes we do live in a violent world. We make it even more violent with our arrogance.
Under what circumstances would you accept the presence of a foreign military on American soil to “help us” as they engage in combat operations in your neighborhood while not speaking our language and having the authority to contradict local law enforcement. If the answer is under no circumstances, then what other than superior firepower gives us the right to inflict that policy on other nations?
No the best solution is to stop sticking our noses into the internal affairs of other countries and disabuse ourselves of the arrogant notion that we are entitled to dictate to other countries how they are governed.
illinoisboy1977 April 21st, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Britain is actually a pretty good partner in helping us contain and combat extremists. I wish Russia and China would show more interest, but whatever. If they’re not willing to step up, that’s their decision. I’d love to be able to pour all those billions into helping people, here. But, if we do that, we weaken the military and make ourselves an easier target for attack. No, thanks. If we were to stop “sticking our noses into the internal affairs of other countries” we would be enabling them to grow, gain strength and possibly launch a damaging offensive against us. That can’t be allowed to happen. If Iran wants peace with us, they can start by agreeing to the demands of the international community and put their nuclear program under the authority of the IAEA. Then, they can stop funding Hezbolla.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 3:48 pm
A ragtag gang of murderers with no navy and no air force is going to somehow commandeer a deep water port on the Arabian Sea, build an air base and infrastructure to support transcontinental flight and thereby launch a “damaging offensive” of air and sea attacks against the United States? I predict we will find BigFoot before that happens.
In any event, Putin is hardly going to stand by and watch if we engaged in military action against Iran which happens to be right on his doorstep and which also is engaged in billions of dollars worth of economic agreements and partnerships with Russia.
As I noted in my prior post, no amount of military spending is going to stop a zealot armed with a commercial airline ticket and some box cutters.
bpollen April 21st, 2015 at 3:42 pm
So, you position is that it is appropriate for us to involve ourselves in the internal politics of a nation? That nations DON’T have the right of self-determination? We’ve supported and funded coups, insurgencies (remember where Al-Qaeda comes from,) assassinations, economic warfare, propaganda wars, etc. to try to force people to behave the way WE supposedly want. We have toppled dictators that didn’t bow to our wishes, and supported and funded and protected dictators and despots that were willing to be marionettes.
So, if we can get directly involved in the internal politics of a country, to the point of deposing or offing the sitting head of that state, wouldn’t every other country have the exact same right to do it here?
fancypants April 21st, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Second point: If Canada, or anyone else, wants to force anything on us
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the problem exists where Canada ( or anyone else ) doesn’t get involved as much as they should when it comes to world extremists
it shouldn’t be our responsibility only
granpa.usthai April 22nd, 2015 at 5:22 am
Adolf had the same logic.
but then, there was an America to help in the reconstruction of Germany.
Iran will get nuclear technology and eventually build their own weapons.
Then, we’ll be as much of a bad ass to them as we are to other nations that have nuclear capabilities.
not so much singing by a bunch of drunken adulterous RepubliKon bad boys about bombing them then.
Gina April 22nd, 2015 at 1:51 pm
Ever heard about Foreign Policy, International Law, sovereignty of nations, diplomacy? Or is it ALL about war?
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 4:33 pm
I’ve never heard Iran openly advocate the murder of people based on their religion. That sounds like something an ignorant jingoistic American might say. There are religious minorities in Iran, some enjoying official protection and representation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iran
Iran is also providing material and to those fighting ISIL.
You have to stop getting your information from garbage right-wing sources.
Besides, how many people have the Iranians killed in the Middle East, compared to American warmongering psychopaths?
ExPFCWintergreen April 21st, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Those tricky Iranians who respect nothing but force! Oh, those dastardly Iranians who stole nuclear weapons technology! Those evil-doer Iranians taking advantage of Obama’s weakness! Why, if it weren’t for Obama’s weakness they wouldn’t even HAVE nuclear technology! This whole problem is Obama’s fault! Oh. Wait. You say WE gave the Iranians the technology to enrich uranium to build bombs? Never mind.
Magnus Soevgaard April 21st, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Then you should be moving to the Iran you did not mention in your rambling, incoherent dialogue right? After all they are just misunderstood, the 1979 Revolution a myth, right there PFC Liar?? You have your bags packed, waiting to move to this Iranian Utopia? The Shah was far better for Iran than the religiously insane terrorists currently running the country into the ground. You can always look up how living standards and education has changed since the muzzies took control. Nice attempt to cover up your lack of Historical perspective clown. Move to Iran, don’t let La Guardia hit you in the keyster.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 9:05 pm
The Iranians did not think the Shah was far better, and when it comes to evaluating the government of Iran, it is their opinion that counts, not your rambling incoherent right wing talking points.
Also, the Shah was a practicing Muslim, so your ignorant bigotry about “muzzies” is entirely irrelevant as is all ignorant bigotry.
ExPFCWintergreen April 22nd, 2015 at 1:04 am
Good thing capitalization, punctuation, and sentence construction don’t count in Rant School. Why does Magnus Soevgaard hate the English language so much?
Chinese Democracy April 21st, 2015 at 8:09 pm
lol .. you arent supposed to remember any of that
William April 21st, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Yeah…suddenly the right is worried about Irans nuclear ambitions.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/vdy8qg/the-jon-stewart-mysteries-presents–the-case-of-the-iranian-agent-
trees April 21st, 2015 at 5:52 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/04/21/christians-religious-persecution-migrant-ship-italy-column/26083829/
I guess the columnist who wrote this was motivated by her racism???
Please liberaland, weigh in.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Not necessarily racist, just partisan, (I know she started out as a Democrat.).
1) What does she want Obama to do??
2) Where was her concern when;
Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than
under Saddam Hussein
Michael Ireland | Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service | Wednesday,
July 02, 2008
http://www.christianheadlines.com/articles/iraq-worse-for-christians-now-than-under-saddam-hussein-11578523.html
Iraq’s Persecuted Christians
By
Christopher Allbritton/ Baghdad Monday, Sept. 20, 2004
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,699409,00.html
IRAQ: Christians live in fear of
death squads
http://www.irinnews.org/report/61897/iraq-christians-live-in-fear-of-death-squads
That’s why it’s pretty empty.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 6:14 pm
latest installment of delusional right wing garbage. nothing this President does is ever acceptable. his choice of mustard, the school lunch menu at his daughter’s school, wearing a bicycling helmet etc. etc.
I say the columnist was motivated by profound ignorance.
that’s my weigh-in about Ms. Powers’ rant
what else should we expect from an ideologue hawking a book with the title
“” How the Left is Killing Free Speech.”””
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 6:18 pm
More Obama derangement syndrome.
The question was put to Prime Minister Renzi. Is Obama supposed to elbow him out of the way and act like the Ugly American loudmouth and say, “who cares what a Dago has to say? What I think is…”
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 6:23 pm
pretty funny this woman is publishing a book about how the left is killing free speech while she gets paid to write for one of the most Obama-friendly publications in the country.
standard issue for those suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome. the connection between their opinions and the real world is tenuous at best.
bpollen April 22nd, 2015 at 3:55 am
OK, the consensus currently is that you’re a troll. How’s that for weighing in?
Obewon April 21st, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Top Mullah: ‘Hey Abduhl sign the UN’s P5+1 international treaty now! Obama is Notorious! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glEiPXAYE-U
fancypants April 21st, 2015 at 8:54 pm
our ability to police the world once again
Why not ?
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 9:13 pm
For all you war hawks needing another fix now that the rush of Iraq is finally over, consider this.
Not only does Iran have a much greater ability to fight back, they also have a treaty with an ally who has an even greater ability to fight back, including a nuclear capability equal to our own.
I thin it is no accident that those who pound their chests and bleat about President Obama “leading from behind” never mention the distinct possibility that military action against Iran could lead to a confrontation with Russia where unlike the Cuban missile crisis, the Russians will have a vastly superior logistical advantage.
Anyone who thinks military action against Iran would in any way, suit the best interests of the United States is either a misinformed fool, or a dangerous nihlist. Either way, that person is someone to be ignored.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/01/20/russia-signs-military-cooperation-deal-with-iran/22042235/
TEHRAN, Iran — Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu signed a military cooperation deal with Iran on Tuesday that his Iranian counterpart touted as a joint response to US “interference.”
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Here let me put it in simple terms.
If I’m Iran I can do anything I want, cause you’ve just stated you won’t do anything to stop me.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 9:29 pm
That’s what they said about Eisenhower, Reagan and Bush.
So what?
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 9:30 pm
How many billions are you willing to spend and how many military casualties are you willing to incur in a war with Iran that could escalate into a confrontation with Russia.
No opinions, no spin, specific numbers please.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:33 pm
Like I said, if I’m Iran I can do as I please. You have calculated the cost and decided that you will not oppose me.
arc99 April 21st, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Like I said, all emotion and zero logic. Can’t even answer a direct question.
trees April 21st, 2015 at 9:44 pm
It’s not emotional, it’s observational. I have observed your weakness, I have seen you talk tough, Syria, Ukraine, and watched as you caved, and did nothing. You are afraid, you have no resolve, you trade 5 major figures for one deserter, and lie about his military service. You’re a transparent fool, and a military charlatan…….
We’ll defy your blockade and do as we please…..
Oh, and you’ll lift your sanctions immediately and there will be no iinspections of our weapons facilities.
OldLefty April 21st, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Do you follow international affairs at all?
Were you around during the last decades??
Columnists Joseph and Stewart Alsop were warning that weak and irresolute U.S. leaders would open the door for our adversaries — in Europe, China, Koreaand Vietnam.
“The future of Asia may well be at stake”
[his policies] “could fatally weaken the Western alliance.”
He is “misinformed” or “consciously misleading the nation” about the
“flaccid” U.S. shortfall
His generals had been “hoodwinked by the bureaucracy.”
As for Vietnam, he predicted that that LBJ would display “presidential weakness”
and praised every escalation that showed that he wouldn’t “subside by degrees
into surrender.”
Good thing Eisenhower did not listen to them then.
Lonely Night in Georgia
The Bush
administration’s feckless response to the Russian invasion
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2008/08/lonely_night_in_georgia.html
Bush rebuking Russia?
Putin must be splitting his sides
http//www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/13/russia.georgia
Georgia: Crisis deepens as
Russia snubs George W Bush’s call to pull troops out
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2531027/Georgia-Crisis-deepens-as-Russia-snubs-George-W-Bushs-call-to-pull-troops-out.html
At Assembly, Fretting Over Russia’s
Rejection of Iran Sanctions
By BENNY AVNI, Staff
Reporter of the Sun | September 25, 2008
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/at-assembly-fretting-over-russias-rejection/86570/
Putin nixed US missile
defense plans for Europe.
“How Putin Played Bush
in Kennebunkport
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/07/how_putin_played_bush_in_kennebunkport.html
Eisenhower and the Hungarian
revolt and the Taiwan Strait Taiwanese
Not to mention
Reagan and Lebanon, which was
cited by bin Laden as an example of American weakness.
(Reuters) – Russian leader Vladimir Putin once boasted to
then-President George W. Bush about the size of his dog, in the ultimate of
“mine-is-bigger-than-yours” stories.
Former President Bush
writes about the episode in his memoir, “Decision Points,” which hits
book stores next Tuesday. Bush says he had introduced then-Russian President
Putin to his Scottish terrier, Barney, on a visit to the U.S. presidential
retreat, Camp David.
Putin returned the favor
when Bush visited Russia and
Putin was giving him a tour of the grounds of his dacha.
“A big black Labrador
came charging across the lawn. With a twinkle in his eye, Vladimir said,
‘Bigger, stronger, faster than Barney,'” Bush writes. A copy of the book
was obtained by Reuters
This was AFTER Putin and
Bush sat together at the Olympics in Beijing as Russia invaded Georgia.
Imagine if that had been Obama???
I think that you confuse reckless bellicosity with strength.
arc99 April 22nd, 2015 at 12:58 am
thanks for the informative citations.
I think trees’ rants are an excellent illustration of reckless bellicosity lacking the strength to answer a very simple question requiring specifics instead of sky-is-falling hysteria.
jasperjava April 21st, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Syria was a success. They disarmed thanks to US pressure with Russian help.
The sanctions on Russia following the annexation of Crimea and the downing of the Malaysian jet were crippling, so much so that the Kremlin pulled back its support of the separatists and are grovelling to have the sanctions lifted. Notice how cooperative they’ve been lately?
The five shmucks released from Guantanamo are not “major figures” by any stretch. Barely more than foot soldiers. Besides, Israel commonly used to release HUNDREDS of Palestinian prisoners to get one of their soldiers back.
But the facts don’t fit your hate-filled narrative, so forget it.
Dwendt44 April 22nd, 2015 at 12:53 am
The five ‘terrorists’ released were ‘taliban’ not Al Qaeda.
Bunya April 22nd, 2015 at 12:34 am
If it’s not emotional, prove it by answering his question.
arc99 April 22nd, 2015 at 12:54 am
you refuse to answer a direct question and make up total bullsh*t.
thanks for confirming your argument is all emotion with zero logic.
Red Mann April 22nd, 2015 at 11:02 pm
Oh, but the hundreds that Bush released, many of whom returned to fighting us are insignificant, just like the 11 attacks on embassies and consulates with over 60 dead are meaningless compared to Benghazi. You are supporting another failed debacle like Iraq with the thousands of American dead, trillions of taxpayer dollars wasted and over 100,000 dead Iraqis accomplished nothing but destabilizing the region and creating tens of thousands of new enemies. Actual experts that actually know some real facts would disagree with your “analysis” and real historians who actually have an understanding of reality would simply laugh at you, and that derision would be well deserved. You simply spout RW lying points as if they were factual instead of the wholesale fantasies they really are.
Take Lincoln’s advice and stop speaking.
tracey marie April 22nd, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Khattallah, released with 499 of his best friends in 2007
StoneyCurtisll April 21st, 2015 at 11:16 pm
Again another adjustment on your comment…
“Like I said, if I’m The United States of America, I can do as I please. You have calculated the cost and decided that you will not oppose me.
StoneyCurtisll April 21st, 2015 at 11:15 pm
let me make an adjustment to you comment…
If I’m The United States of America, I can do anything I want, cause you cant do anything to stop me.
frambley1 April 22nd, 2015 at 2:40 am
I find the timing odd. We move in just as Saudi Arabia is ending their bombing. Are we taking over for them? I have an idea, lets get the hell out of there and let the countries in that region handle it themselves. All our involvement is going to do is make more enemies on the region. Wait, is there still some people there that don’t hate us?
OldLefty April 22nd, 2015 at 5:30 am
How U.S. will monitor Iranian ships in Yeme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-QY8muFUlo&feature=youtu.be
I hate TV News.
(Why can’t they just give you a paragraph instead of these cheesy graphics? Too expensive to transcribe??)
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