Baltimore Councilman To CNN: Just Call Them ‘Ni**ers’
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D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
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illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 10:09 am
More BS of portraying the thuggery of young criminals as some kind of “expression of victimhood”. Total crap. They’re criminals and should be thrown in jail or made to perform MANY hours of community service. They know it’s wrong to loot and riot, yet they CHOOSE to do just that. They’re WHOLLY responsible for their DECISION to commit a criminal act. It was a conscious choice and there have to be consequences.
dave-dr-gonzo April 29th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Far more productive would be to root out the underlying cause of these actions: eradicating urban poverty.
As for the shoplifters: community service at the very least.
As for the use of the racially-coded “thuggery” word: aren’t you a little overdue to launder your white hood and robe?
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:18 pm
Funny, how someone who doesn’t know my mind or my feelings can assign his/her own interpretation to my speech, with absolutely no evidence by which to accuse me of racist motivation. Tell me, where did you learn to read minds? Last I knew, “thug” wasn’t a racial slur. Just because some choose to call it that, because they can’t come up with a RATIONAL argument, doesn’t make it so.
To address the issue of poverty: I grew up with next to nothing, with a father who made very little money and 4 siblings. We were VERY poor, living in a century-old house with no insulation and no air conditioning. We ate a lot of beans and rice, because it was cheap and we got most of our food from the local food pantry. Big tubs of government peanut butter and large blocks of government cheese accompany some of my most prevalent childhood memories. Even then, my dad wouldn’t accept food stamps. He had a hard enough time accepting the pantry items, from the church. No matter how poor we were, we NEVER thought about taking what wasn’t ours and we NEVER attacked, literally or figuratively, those who had more than we did. Poverty isn’t an explanation for criminal behavior, it’s a cop-out.
dave-dr-gonzo April 29th, 2015 at 2:45 pm
“Last I knew, “thug” wasn’t a racial slur.”
Well, we’ve come a long way since 1963. Welcome to the 21st century.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
As I said, “thug” isn’t a racial slur, just because a small handful of people say it is.
OldLefty April 29th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Actually, the origin is from Northern India; the Thuggees.
bpollen April 29th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
They were some bad asses…
OldLefty April 29th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
I think they were assassins.
bpollen April 29th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
Exactly. Well, thieves and assassins.
Robert M. Snyder April 29th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
“Far more productive would be to root out the underlying cause of these actions”
Fathers abandoning their sons.
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
Why do you think you can shut someone up by implying they’re the Klan? What makes it nobler for you to call looters purveyors of “community service?”
If you’re really sincere in wanting to eradicate urban poverty, maybe burning out mom and pop stores is not the best way to do this.
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
I see you are also a stormfront-y type, here trolling and whining.
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Nah, those white sheets mess up my hair.
Tracey, we are snapping at each other when we might well be allies after we get past all the anger. I don’t know your age. I have seen lots of civil uproar in my life. When I was young I wanted rage to make a change. It didn’t. It destroyed the very causes I cherished.
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
I want nothing to do with you, you came on this site and attacked people when you do not even know the type of person we or that pos we responded to are
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
Get back to me in 20 years.
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Maybe if these “criminals” weren’t continually backed into a corner, they wouldn’t have the need to lash out. Maybe if they didn’t have to worry that, every time they leave their house, they’re going to be stopped, beaten and perhaps killed, they wouldn’t resort to such “expressions of victimhood”.
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It must be nice living, in your pure white society where you can walk down the street with your Skittles and iced tea and not worry about someone stalking and killing you.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
Yes, because rioting and looting is the perfect answer, when you feel like your life is constantly in danger. That makes MUCH more sense than trying NOT to provoke the people you fear. The looters are not “backed into a corner”, they want free stuff and they want to burn innocent people’s property.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
then since this isn’t a first for this country, it won’t be a last until things change. like stop murdering young black males and females who pose no threat to your person. start punishing those instead of paying them with a lottery in gofundme for murder. this is the fault of the criminal justice system and the police departments all over this country. do you think they’d be out there if this man hadn’t been murdered?
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
I’m not saying they don’t have a legitimate grievance. I’m saying it still doesn’t excuse destroying innocent people’s property. If you victimize innocent people, to protest the victimization of innocent people, you’re no better than the perpetrators against whom you’re protesting.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
i understand what you’re saying. unfortunately, quiet protest aren’t loud enough. and i’m not agreeing with what they are doing, but, if this is going to stop then the murder of innocent black males needs to end. apparently they haven’t learned.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
But, it isn’t going to stop anything. It’s removing attention from the cause and putting it right on the criminals, who use these circumstances to further their OWN agenda. Looting and burning innocent people’s businesses is NOT a legitimate form of protest.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:55 am
its not removing attention from the cause. the “cause” of this is because of police brutality. the attention is being put upon law enforcement and its policies.
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 11:31 am
I disagree. The attention is being put on the violence against, and victimization of, innocent business owners. The attention is being put on the complete disregard the rioters have, for the livelihoods of those people.
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Quiet protests, over and over again, have forced changes in government and in attitudes. But you need patient and willingness to go through it. And you also needs leaders strong enough and mature enough and yes, charismatic enough, to make it happen.
I can’t think of any time that there has been rioting that things changed for the better for the people living in those burned out areas. The riots of 10, 20, 40 years ago in Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles only resulted in ruined neighborhoods where storekeepers are afraid to go and insurance was too high for them to pay.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
“But you need patient and willingness to go through it.” try this on for size:
http://gawker.com/unarmed-people-of-color-killed-by-police-1999-2014-1666672349
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Understood. You are showing victims. That is the reason to work for change. Riots may be ways of discharging energy and it may feel good at the moment. But I doubt that these things change anything. Hell, man, we’ve had riots throughout the 20th century as well as the 19th and into the 21st. And where was the change to make people’s lives better.
Which is why you need someone or someones with long term vision to figure out how to work to make the changes, to bring people together.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
“You are showing victims. That is the reason to work for change.” victims of police abuse. so i ask, at what point in the body count one should wait, by quietly protesting before acting out this badly, by the murdering cops, when time and time again they are not being held accountable for the death of innocent people, 50? 60?, before they have a reason to become angry. you would think that due to the past riots, because of injustice, the policy makers would have figured out by now, the chit they are doing is wrong. which is absolutely nothing. if you keep rogue, racist and hateful cops on the force, this will never end. there’s a solution. STOP FK’N KILLING PEOPOLE! p.s. not yelling at you. lol
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
I hear you and the pain that is there with it. Being nonviolent is not being passive. Being nonviolent is willing to show up again and again, confronting the beasts and not letting them get away with it, even if it takes a long time for them to stop spitting at you (or worse). “Like a tree in the water, we shall not be moved.”
And I guess meanwhile, you get some smart souls to bring lawsuits — again and again — until like water, you chip away at the smug stone-faced establishment that doesn’t want to hear you. You get the media on your side (like showing how this is not a bunch of blacks going wild but years of police brutality and government indifference).
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 10:31 pm
yeah we saw that with the selma march. “You get the media on your side (like showing how this is not a bunch of blacks going wild but years of police brutality and government indifference).” you don’t think the media knows this already? FOX has never supported the victims who were murdered by cops.
Kalisfriend April 30th, 2015 at 9:29 am
Man, I just want to say something to you — Thank you. I’ve been thinking about what you’ve written all last night. It gives me more of a glimpse and understanding of the situation I didn’t feel before. One more thing for this old grayhead to realize.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:52 am
welcome.
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Excellent post.
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Yes but, how long does the black community need to be patient? Racial profiling has been going on for over fifty years, and the problem hasn’t even been addressed yet. In the meantime, blacks are still the targets of police brutality.
Everybody agrees that riots and looting isn’t the answer, but maybe blacks think that’s the only way they can get the government to do something. I’m not condoning the violence, but I’m saying I understand the violence.
xpatYankeeCurmudgeon April 30th, 2015 at 6:36 am
“Racial profiling has been going on for over fifty years, and the problem
hasn’t even been addressed yet. In the meantime, blacks are still the
targets of police brutality.”
But this happens in other cities ruled for decades, as Baltimore has been, by Democrats. Blacks have been priced out of San Francisco by wealthy white “liberals.” They are less than ten percent of the population – but they account for forty percent of
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
Lucky for you, you don’t need to worry about walking out your front door and being immediately detained by police because your skin color makes you suspect.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
The whole problem, here, is that the looters and rioters are taking the spotlight OFF the cause of the protests. They’re changing the narrative and losing a lot of sympathy for the issue. There are legitimate protests going on, but they’re being drowned out by a bunch of punks, who want to profit for themselves at the expense of the overall message. That’s wrong, no matter how you look at it.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
“The whole problem, here, is that the looters and rioters are taking the spotlight OFF the cause of the protests.” actually they aren’t. but for this young mans death, they wouldn’t be there right?
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
I find it hard to believe that they care anything at all, for Freddie Gray. They don’t seem to care about the innocent people THEY’RE victimizing, by destroying their property. How are they justified in destroying a man’s livelihood, when he had nothing to do with Mr. Gray’s death? They’re nothing more than opportunistic vultures, out to make a spectacle of themselves and they don’t care who they hurt. At least, they’ve not shown that they do.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 7:14 pm
but, its more than just about gray. anyone of them could be next. its about all the others who were murdered and no ones doing a thing about it. again i don’t condone it. but, they can rebuild, gray and the others are gone forever.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
They can rebuild, but they shouldn’t have to. Destroying a family’s livelihood, just because you’re Teed-off, is wrong. It’s criminal and it should be prosecuted. I wouldn’t blame any business owner for spending the night in his store, armed, and ending up blowing a looter’s head off. You have a right to protect what’s yours and someone is going to do it, eventually. And, he’ll be well within his rights, to do so. You can’t just decide to go after bystanders and not expect SOMEONE to fight back.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
“You can’t just decide to go after bystanders and not expect SOMEONE to fight back.” right. and you can’t expect white “cops” to go on murdering unarmed black males and females without consequences and then not expect them to fight back. in their minds, this is the next best thing and that’s to cause havoc. not saying its right, saying i understand.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
and no parent should have to bury their sons or daughters because of ignorance.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
No, they shouldn’t. But people shouldn’t target those who had nothing to do with it, either.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
and cops shouldn’t go around murdering unarmed civilians! just like the one who was recently killed by being shot in the back. that chit has to end.
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 11:44 am
No matter what the police do, it doesn’t make it acceptable to go after people’s businesses. One had nothing to do with the other. The people who loot and destroy KNOW they’re not hurting the people they’re mad at, which completely invalidates their actions and plants them squarely in the category of “criminal”. Scenario: It’s the same thing as being pissed at Fred, but smacking the crap out of John, even though John was nowhere around when Fred pissed you off. How is that justified?
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
“No matter what the police do,…” says the man that will never experience what black people have been experiencing w/ re: to the legal system.
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
I don’t have to “experience” what they do, to see the complete lack of justification in it. It still doesn’t make rioting and looting acceptable.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
“experience” like what get a traffic ticket and then be told, “have a good day sir?” ’cause if you had anykind of experience like black males, you wouldn’t be defending them or you would be in prison on trumped up charges or we wouldn’t be communicating right now, you would be 6′ under.
whatthe46 April 29th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
the police department sure as hell doesn’t give a flying monkey’s a&& about the innocent children who a left w/o a father since they are the ones taking them away from
them. How does the police department
justify all the murders of unarmed black men and women? Racist cops are the biggest opportunist there
are. They use their badges and guns,
that in their minds give them the authority to do whatever the fk they want and
do. These “cops” don’t give a chit
about who they hurt when they murder innocent people do they? And they have proven over and over again,
that they will never care.
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 11:32 am
So, because the police department doesn’t care, it gives “protestors” the right to victimize people who had nothing to do with it? Please, explain the correlation.
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
nonsense, the protests started because the cops KILLED a BLACK man for being black. he was not doing anything illegal and yet they tackled and killed him
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Once again, looting and rioting are not valid forms of protest, when the people they target are innocent of any wrongdoing against the rioters.
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
sure they are, we as a country threw “tea” in a harbor and started a fight. You and many on the right cheered on bundy when he threatened a war against the government. So spare me your phony outrage and just come out as the stormfront type you are
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Can you show me where I “cheered” Bundy? I seem to have forgotten all about that. So nice to have someone here, who knows me so well…
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
Illinoisboy is trying to have a discussion with you. You instead throw every into the pot that you can, including the Tea Party of 1775 together with that crazy rancher and then Stormfront. Are you here to discuss or to show off how much goulash you can use to obscure your points?
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
he was doing no such thing, who the hell are you and what the hell do you want and why the hell should i care?
Kalisfriend April 29th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
So why are you asking me?
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
Was I be vague, I said why the hell should I care what you think…how much clearer should I be, fk off is that clear enough troll?
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
being vague
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
I agree that riots are no way to show one’s displeasure, but stereotyping blacks has been going on for decades, and it has escalated to senseless killing, with cops getting off with impunity. It could be the black community has had enough, and since nobody cares about their wants and needs, this is the only way they can get people to pay attention.
illinoisboy1977 April 29th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
The best way to express outrage is through peaceful protest. Lobby your lawmakers, organize luncheons and rallies aimed at effecting change at the legislative level, hold sit-ins and leaflet drives and come up with other similar ideas, to spread the word. Whether you’re black, white, Hispanic, Asian, or any other race/ethnicity, your voice carries weight, if you use it properly. Looting and rioting are more likely to shut the conversation down, than to spark a breakthrough.
Bunya April 29th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
It sounds easy, doesn’t it? But imagine you’re a black person and you organize a peaceful protest. You’ll hear remarks like, “don’t these people have anything better to do than hang around on street corners, blocking traffic?” You hold a sit-in. You’ll hear, “why don’t these people get a job instead of sitting around, doing nothing?” If you lobby your lawmakers, you’re considered a rabble rouser and quickly dismissed as a troublemaker.
Nobody wants violence, but I think the black community has had enough injustice perpetrated against them. Every time I turn around, a black is being targeted and assaulted by police. It’s obvious cops think blacks are expendable, which is why cops not only abuse them, but sometimes kill them – and nobody cares but the black community.
Listen to Fox News sometime. They actually think the cops are the victims here. They kill with impunity (in most cases), and THEY’RE the victims?
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 11:35 am
But, they’re not attacking cops. They’re attacking and stealing from business owners. People who have done nothing to warrant their anger or “reprisals”. They’re completely unjustified, due to their choice of target.
Bunya April 30th, 2015 at 11:43 am
I think that, if they attacked the cops, they would be shot. So, in order to show their anger and frustration, they’re attacking businesses.
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I don’t agree with the looting, but I understand it.
illinoisboy1977 April 30th, 2015 at 11:47 am
I understand the frustration, but intellect and decency should tell them it’s wrong to attack innocent bystanders.
Bunya April 30th, 2015 at 11:57 am
They have been relying on their intellect and decency for over 50 years in an effort to coerce the government to do something. Meanwhile, as they wait (decades) for the situation to be rectified, more blacks are being arrested, beaten and killed.
Maybe they feel the only way to light a fire under the butts of the powers that be is to riot. Civil unrest seems to get everyone’s attention.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
now why is that? especially when the biggest portion of the police are black also.
Bunya April 30th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
If you’ll notice, almost all (if not all) of the brutality inflicted on the black victims are perpetrated by white cops. Sure, Baltimore has black cops. They also have white cops.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
not in the videos i have seen
John Tarter April 29th, 2015 at 10:46 am
So the word “thug” is now the same as the “n” word? Gee, I wonder if he is also prone to hugging those out of control criminal rioter THUGS, (there, I said it!) like Md. State Senator Catherine Pugh did last night. Hugging rioters? Another new low for Democrats everywhere.
dave-dr-gonzo April 29th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
John “Dental: Tarter bleated:
“So the word “thug” is now the same as the ‘n’ word?”
No. The N word is still the N word. In the context that many media figures and white privilege apologists use it, “thug” is in fact an analog and equal to the N word.
Which you used in the N-word context. How Stormfront.org-y of you!
And you are confusing so-called “rioters” focused on by the media – in the case of Baltimore on Monday, primarily high school students who had been released from school only to find that their bus transportation would not be available (see yesterday’s Wall Street Journal) and without MANDATED adult supervision – with the vast majority of peaceful demonstrators who have every reason to be angry that suspect died of what at the very least is malign negligence.
You also seem not to understand that Pugh was working to defuse the tension and get people to channel their justified anger into concrete change and social justice.
You’re welcome!
bpollen April 29th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Do some research. There’s this thing called a “Thesaurus” that list all kinds of words that can be substituted for other words. Like, I could have used “peckerwood” to describe a white man instead of “cracker.” Those things are called synonyms. English is a wonderful language. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with it a little more?
fahvel April 30th, 2015 at 3:48 am
rotten teeth = peckerwood? seems to fit.
Robert M. Snyder April 29th, 2015 at 10:58 am
A rose by any other name…
tracey marie April 29th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
of course you would post such drivel
bpollen April 29th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Bigotry by Shakespeare? The Bard himself would say “WTF is wrong with him?”
Robert M. Snyder April 29th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
Perhaps you’d prefer the term “undocumented shoppers”?
bpollen April 29th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
There’s a word that is commonly used to call people who steal from stores. Shoplifters. Look it up. Your word for the day.
StoneyCurtisll April 29th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
If they were white guys in 3 piece suits..
They would be called Wall Street and Banksters
The same stealing, looting and robbery, with out the breaking of glass and flames..
But stealing, looting and robbery is all the same thing..
Robert M. Snyder April 29th, 2015 at 8:26 pm
Totally agree. A white man who lives three houses up from me was the owner of a company that employed scores of people for decades. In recent years he was involved in a check kiting scheme. He also diverted pension and healthcare funds into improvements to his personal home. He got caught and is now doing time in federal prison. He is getting what he deserves. Unfortunately, his two white elementary school daughters are not getting what they deserve. I feel sorry for them and I wish that I could help. I feel the same way about black kids growing up in Baltimore without good and loving fathers.
StoneyCurtisll April 29th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
lets not get to agreeable…
We might end up being friends..;)
Robert M. Snyder April 29th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
I think most people want the same things, whether we identify as liberals or conservatives. I’m not talking about the extremists. I’m talking about my friends, neighbors, and coworkers. I don’t personally know anyone who wants job opportunities or justice denied to their daughters. If being a conservative means I have to agree with the extremist conservatives on TV, then I don’t want to wear that label.
I believe in holding people accountable for their actions. I am glad that my neighbor was brought to justice. But I wish that politicians of all persuasions would devote more energy to solving the root problems.
I think fatherlessness is a HUGE problem, and it is rapidly getting worse. My own father made a HUGE difference in my life. Without his love and guidance, I could easily have gotten into big trouble.
I don’t have the answers, but I would like to see a national dialogue about fatherhood. It would be great to see candidates debating that topic. Right now it seems that few people are really paying attention to this issue.
My son’s best friend tried to reunite with his father while he was in high school. The man had abandoned his family many years earlier. When he told my son’s friend to get lost, the boy was devastated. He had been picturing some kind of warm gesture from his father, but what he got was a cold shoulder.
That kind of thing can easily turn to anger. Yes, let’s make sure kids have enough to eat and good schools. But without a father’s love, these kids are really facing an uphill struggle.
dave-dr-gonzo April 29th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
“Similar sentiments have bubbled up every time black citizens have come out to protest abuses by police: ‘Thugs.’ ‘Animals.’ ‘Savages.’ The GOP’s base of white working-class Americans seem highly responsive to such messages from their conservative elected officials. This in spite of the fact that, if they looked around, they might discover that they have more in common with the protesters they disparage than they do with the wealthy politicians they keep voting into office.”
— Conor Lynch, “What we talk about when we talk about black protesters: A history of right-wing dogwhistles” (http://www.salon.com/2015/04/28/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_black_protesters_a_history_of_rightwing_dogwhistles/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)
OldLefty April 29th, 2015 at 5:21 pm
I said this before, but;
Two things that I see that many consistently take such delight and triumph in on comment sections;
Palestinian violence and attacks on settlers and riots in black communities after blatant police brutality.
What they don’t ever seem to see is that just through their own rhetoric, they give away the same mindset as those who engage in the very violence that causes them such joyful outrage.
Can anyone doubt that those who love to tell us that violence is all “these
animals” understand “, would be the first to lob a missile into Tel Aviv if THEY were born and raised in the occupied territories?
Would be the first to loot and riot if THEY were born into poverty and the white kids were being killed by BLACK police officers who were exonerated by a black power structure?
Look at the rhetoric that they use when talking about white “patriots” standing up the “tyranny” of authority figures.
Imagine if someone at the Bundy ranch had been taken into custody, frisked, handcuffed behind his back, and transported to where ever said to have STILL produced a gun and shot and killed himself, or died of spinal injuries???
StoneyCurtisll April 29th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
Ouch..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJt7gNi3Nr4&list=FLd7xLvM5DtriMX01H65n0nQ&index=2&spfreload=1
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
get off topic by statement of “just call them ni@@ers”. White, Black, Green, Purple or Blue, they are ALL Thugs! They were just destroying there own neighborhood. Except for the thugs that were shipped in.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
The main point is that they don’t call white people thugs when they riot.
They don’t call the Bundy people thugs.
They never called the police who beat up Jordan Miles, Thugs.
They called Trayvon Martin a thug, but not Zimmerman.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
mercy, mercy, mercy…. where I live they do. And yes I do to.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
Then that is very different from what we see in mainstream media, especially cable.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
that is because “mainstream media” is subjective. That holds true for conservative also. This is why I search out both sides.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
that is because “mainstream media” is subjective
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I agree, and I think that Fox is the worst of the MSM.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
hahaha… I too agree with you on FOX but not with it being the worst. MSNBC is in my opinion the worst.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
MSNBC has 3 hours of conservatives on in the morning, and they are not even on basic cable in many markets.
Also, they are owned by a big corporation (comcast) who has more corporate leanings.
Fox is also owned by a big corporation, but Ailes is more of a political operative who dreamed of a right wing machine when he worked for Nixon.
Phil Griffin comes from a TV and sports background.
Frankly, I quit TV news in 2004.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:44 pm
hmmmm…. then your 11yrs behind in whats going on… smile
All I’m trying to say is if you want to be a victim, you will be. My family was dirt poor and from the hills of KY. My grandfather and his brother got the family out of the hills and taught us the power in knowledge and never being satisfied for mediocrity. Now, don’t get me wrong, loosing is ok. After all, you never know what winning or success is until you loose or fail. You just get up brush off and go on. I am NO victim. This is from having an advantage… I have a FATHER that taught me right from wrong.
As far as MSNBC… they are adding Conservatives due to loosing so much money without…hahah
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
EVERYBODY feels that way.
As a speaker from the DEA, (retired) now with Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) said, No institution since slavery has done more to destroy the black family than the war on drugs.
Add to that the profit motive in incarceration.
Part of the problem for MSNBC, (they always had conservatives ), is that again….
-They are not in as many markets
-Liberals don’t like TV news.
-They are not even willing to forgo their prison shows.
ALL cable, TV news and terrestrial radio are losing viewers as younger people don’t bother with TV and radio.
Cable news in general has very few viewers, and Fox has the loyal conservatives who like it because as David Frum said;
David Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
As far as the war on drugs… I fought that war personally with my oldest as a single parent. The difference with me is that I never gave up and I threatened the dealers with their lives when they showed up at my house. I drug my son out of such places and challenged those that stood in my way. The woman on the news that slapped her son all the way back home… that was me.
I have NO patients for dealers!!! I don’t care if your dealing to support your own habit. No patients from me.
I don’t have access to FOX or MSNBC or any cable news network other than local. All my news comes from research of such topics that interest me.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 4:20 pm
I’m sorry to hear that you had those troubles.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
thank you!!! I think this is why I am so strong today about taking ones own responsibility.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
Most people agree.
Most people also realize that these stats have very little to do with personal responsibility;
Blacks are more likely to be
sentenced to prison for the same crime than Whites. One third of people of
color sentenced to prison would have received a shorter or non-incarcerative
sentence if they had been treated in court the same way as White defendants
facing similar charges
Although
Black Americans make up only 12.7% of the U.S. population, they make up 48.2%
of adults in federal, state, or local prisons and jails. According to the 1998
federal National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (NHSDA), 72% of users were
White and 15% were Blacks.
Latinos
represent just 11.1% of the U.S. population and only 10% of U.S. drug users,
yet are 18.6% of the U.S. prison population and 22.5% of those convicted for
drug offenses.
On
average, 1 in 25 adult American Indians is under the jurisdiction of the
nation’s criminal justice system – more than twice the number of White adults
in the system.
42.5%
of prisoners on Death Row are Black, more than three times the percentage of
Black Americans in the national population.
In
2003, in the United States, White people were imprisoned at a rate of 376 per
every 100,000 in the population, compared to 709 per 100,000 American Indians,
997 per 100,000 Latinos and 2,526 per 100,000 Blacks in the population.
Black
males have a 32% chance of serving time in prison at some point in their lives;
Hispanic males have a 17% chance; White males have a 6% chance. If
current rates of incarceration continue, about 1 in 3 Black males, 1 in 6
Hispanic males and 1 in 17 White males are expected to go to prison at some
point during their lives.
Black youth are more likely to be detained than White
youth. Moreover, Black youth with no prior admissions were six times more
likely to be incarcerated in a juvenile facility than a White youth with a
similar history. Latino youth were three times more likely to be imprisoned.
Among persons over age 24, Blacks (11.2%) were
significantly more likely to be pulled over while driving than Whites (8.9%).
Among drivers stopped for speeding, Blacks (75.7%)
and Hispanics (79.4%) were more likely than Whites (66.6%) to be ticketed
Police were more likely to conduct a search of the
vehicle and/or driver in traffic stops involving Black male drivers (15.9%) or
Hispanic male drivers (14.2%), compared to White male drivers (7.9%).
http://sites.duke.edu/nchumanrights/incarceration-and-criminal-justice/
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
yes and I could say that the biggest majority of those that get hooked on Coke or crack are destined for failure. How do you change stats?
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
The stats are not about who uses what.
The stats are about who gets arrested and incarcerated and who does not.
Many of the Wall Street traders who received huge bonuses for tanking the economy use cocaine;
http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-cocaine-stories-2012-7
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100650821
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101303286
These stats are also about who gets stopped, and searched and detained.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
here is a great video you might enjoy… http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/294468-young-man-pulled-police-records-right-gains-viral-reaction/?source=FBshare
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
That’s nice, but very much the exception.
We’ve seen it go the other way too many times.
stories like;
To some in Paris, sinister past is back
In Texas, a white teenager burns down
her family’s home and receives probation. A black one shoves a hall monitor and
gets 7 years in prison. The state NAACP calls it ‘a signal to black folks.’
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0703120170mar12,0,1435953.story
Six-year-old handcuffed, arrested for temper tantrum
Salecia Johnson’s parents were shocked
to have to pick her up from the police station
BY NINA MANDELL /
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/six-year-old-handcuffed-arrested-temper-tantrum-article-1.1062904#ixzz2NGHtZIcr
8-year-old handcuffed for tantrum: Was it the right move?
An 8-year-old girl was handcuffed for a
tantrum at her elementary school in Alton, Ill. Would you handcuff an
8-year-old for a tantrum?
By Alicia Pflaumer, Contributor
/ March 7, 2013
A police officer stands near the entrance at an elementary
school in Minnesota. On Tuesday, Alton, Ill. police placed an 8-year-old girl
in handcuffs and placed in a juvenile detention room to wait for her guardian
to pick her up.
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/Modern-Parenthood/2013/0307/8-year-old-handcuffed-for-tantrum-Was-it-the-right-move
Texas students sent from classroom to courtroom
By Donna St. George,August 21, 2011
View Photo
Gallery – Book ’em! : An array of get-tough policies in
American schools has brought…
SPRING, TEX. — In a
small courtroom north of Houston, a fourth-grader walked up to the bench with
his mother. Too short to see the judge, he stood on a stool. He was dressed in
a polo shirt and dark slacks on a sweltering summer morning.
“Guilty,” the boy’s
mother heard him say.
He had been part of a
scuffle on a school bus.
We had Jordan Miles in my City.
I work in healthcare in an urban hospital.
I have seen poor black kids roughed up by the cops and incarcerated.
I have seen rich white kids, in my neighborhood get the “boys will be boys” treatment for behaving exactly like Michael Brown. was. (one of them told me to “mind your own business, you old bitch”…Harumph!).
If the kids in my neighborhood were treated the same as the poor kids in the inner cities, half of them would be dead or in jail.
OldLefty April 30th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
MSNBC has 3 hours of conservatives on in the morning, and they are not even on basic cable in many markets.
Also, they are owned by a big corporation (comcast) who has more corporate leanings.
Fox is also owned by a big corporation, but Ailes is more of a political operative who dreamed of a right wing machine when he worked for Nixon.
Phil Griffin comes from a TV and sports background.
Frankly, I quit TV news in 2004.
ConservRedneck April 30th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Here is a GREAT video that would do well for all of us to listen to: http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/294468-young-man-pulled-police-records-right-gains-viral-reaction/?source=FBshare