Medical Examiner: Gray’s Head ‘Slammed Into Bolt In Back Of Police Van’
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How exactly Freddie Gray’s head met a bolt is yet to be revealed, but a medical examiner’s report says that is what led to the injury causing his death.
Gray sustained his fatal injuries inside a police van when his head slammed into a bolt in the back of the vehicle, a Baltimore TV news station has reported after claiming to have received multiple briefings on a police report and the interim findings of the medical examiner’s office reviewing the 25-year-old’s death.
An injury on Gray’s head is said to have matched a bolt in the back of the police van, according to ABC local news, who also reported that the only police officer involved in Gray’s arrest and detention yet to have provided an account to the police was the van’s driver.
A spokesman for the Maryland medical examiner’s office refused to comment on the reports, stating that its investigation remained open.
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fancypants April 30th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
as if anyone thought or believed his injuries were self inflicted
tracey marie April 30th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
Let’s see how thw killer cops respond now.They saw this report and released the false and defamatory “report” that he was thrashing about
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
aside from the fact that they are shackled to the floor in the van. ‘splan dat cop’ers!
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
I heard on Democracy Now that “wild rides'” were common in Baltimore. With hands and feet bound, the police would slam on the brakes to bruise up the prisoner.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:37 pm
i can believe being bumped from a rough ride that they do on purpose to bruise them up. now, lets hear them explain how this is the case, but no other “prisoner” has ever come out with a severed spine.
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
If he slammed his head into a wall, without the ability to cushion his blow, I think it could happen.
tracey marie April 30th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
what makes you think he did such a thing? First the rumor that he had neck surgery, now the rumor he was intentionally trying to hurt himself, because?
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
I should have worded that differently.
.. If the “wild ride” slammed his head into a wall.
I don’t believe for a second that this was a self-inflicted injury. That was never a plausible claim.
tracey marie April 30th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
I thought that is what you meant.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
“If the “wild ride” slammed his head into a wall.” and no one else suffered the same before him? he’s the 1 out of 1000’s.
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
If he police slam enough people around, this would eventually happen.
What is your theory?
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
they fk’n killed him! they slamed his head into a bolt they didn’t know was there, that was at the spine level of his neck. he was not sitting down. he was not running around. he was murdered! that’s the only plausible theory.
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
The other prisoner in the van said that Gray was thrashing around after you say he was murdered.
And, there is almost always more than one plausible theory to anything.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
the other “prisoner” also said on NBC, i think it was, that he only “heard” 4 secs of noise and saw nothing.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
“If he police slam enough people around, this would eventually happen.” so you’re saying, so what, it was bound to fk’n happen? “less move on?” really? really, you’re saying that?
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
no it wouldn’t. do you think no other “prisoner” has never sat where he was suppose to be seated? how come they are not all dead? now, think. according to the lie report, to justify his injuries, we was throwing himself around. now, which is it? in my humble opinion, they are both lies. they threw him up against the inside of the van where they didn’t know a bolt was sticking out. why wait for, how long, before getting medical attention to him?
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
I think other prisoners have been injured in the “wild rides.”
If a prisoner’s hands and feet are tied, slamming on the brakes would bang them up pretty hard.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
“bang them up pretty hard.” “bang” key word. not DEAD!!!! you would think if that’s the case that others “hit” their heads on a bolt, they’d do something about it. the fact is, that’s not the case. why you want to believe otherwise and not see it for what it is, is beyond me. but, if it makes you feel better, then i can’t help you. besides, why wouldn’t no one else, yet again, SPINE HAS BEEN SEVERED?!!!!! SPINE? and it was at the BACK of his NECK not his head.
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Recently, my neighbor seriously injured herself when she slipped on a four-inch step. We’re talking emergency room and a cast. Freak accidents happen.
It’s not that hard to imagine that having his head violently slammed into a wall could sever his spine.
What is your theory?
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
“Recently, my neighbor seriously injured herself when she slipped on a four-inch step. We’re talking emergency room and a cast. Freak accidents happen.” i was running around with friends when i was 13, fell and broke my wrist. i ended up in the emergency room. she nor i died.
“It’s not that hard to imagine that having his head violently slammed into a wall could sever his spine.” nope its not. especially when someone else slammed it into the wall for you. people have been in roll over car accidents and fair better than a broken arm.
so, what’s your theory?
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
I gave you my theory three times! His head was violently slammed into a wall.
No offense, but you are being illogical. People have survived all kinds of wild stuff. That doesn’t prove anything.
But if the cops routinely rough prisoners up, someone is going to eventually die. You can’t even call that a freak accident.
My theory fits the known facts.
What is your theory?
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
“But if…” gotta stop you there. we’re done!
fancypants April 30th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
unless they were roughed up before entering the van ?
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
We’ve seen that video and he doesn’t seem like he has a severed spine.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 11:05 pm
he wasn’t able to walk, so i’d say his back was pretty screwed up. it’s in the van where they threw him against the bolt. that severed the spine at the neck. and who knows, considering he wasn’t able to walk, his spine was likely already broken and the bolt in the van is to fit the narrative lie that he was banging himself up. there is no way on earth, that he was shackled down and then hit his “neck” in the right spot to cause that injury, when others have sat there before him, going through the same rough roads and come out alive. no, i don’t buy it. but apparently you have.
fancypants April 30th, 2015 at 11:08 pm
it already been said that paralysis doesn’t always happen right away. this one took a few hours
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
you know, the more i post and reply, the more i thought about how the “in van” incident wasn’t going to fly. ronald keeps saying how “prisoners” get bumped around in the van, and it could have happened to him. it makes no sense as to why he would be the only one in 1000’s that would die from a bolt that has always been there. they are trying to fit the bolt to the lying narrative that he was wailing around. not shackled he isn’t. it was broken when they stepped on his neck/back. so why if a bolt hit him in the back of the head, is his spine broken at the neck? if you were to push your own head back, the neck bends, a bolt would have not been near the cord. so how did the cord sever at the back of the neck? unless someone is holding your head stiff. a few scenarios, with one obvious conclusion… THEY FK’N DID IT!!!!
CHOCOL8MILK April 30th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Although this is quite crass of me to point out, I am glad for both social media and technology and how both are exposing such things to the rest of the Unites States (where people have no personal experience in such matters).
The underlying fact is that police departments/officers are not held accountable-they are given a “free pass” and that their “word” is irrefutable proof of the facts in a suspects death when an officer is involved. They are empowered bullies in most cases. Granted people of color are impacted more -sadly more so blacks- lets not forget about the case of Michael Bell Jr (white guy killed by an aggressive police officer -http://michaelbell.info/- Alan interviewed Michael Bell senior about this in Feb 2015). Part of this issue is race related, however, the root cause is NOT holding our police officers/departments accountable.
We have allowed our police to get out of control, our states have “lowered the bar” and encourage such behaviors “to improve the numbers” as part of metrics for political reasons.
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
I am very sympathetic with African Americans on this issue. It’s not like this is some new issue and, clearly, they aren’t making this up.
But, I understand the impulse of my fellow white people to reflexively believe the police. If the police are also criminals, we are screwed as a country.
CHOCOL8MILK April 30th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
There is still hope in that we are having this discussion here within this forum and as are many others-online or person to person. Most police are not criminals, sadly, like in the idiotic violent rioters, the bad apples have the most impact.
CHOCOL8MILK April 30th, 2015 at 10:17 pm
In the case of Baltimore, they have had issues with police ‘use of force’ issues a long time. That police department has both blacks and whites. They were under investigation before this issue arose. I honestly hope that the police standards are improved and that arseholes are not employed as police officers in the future. Update the qualifications please.
whatthe46 May 1st, 2015 at 4:38 am
in this case as in many others, the ones rotten to the core are the hateful racist cops that murder innocent and unarmed black children, women and men. and you can bet your sweet a&& we wouldn’t be having this conversation had the police departments weeded out the lying murdering cops. don’t want to see more of this, then i suggest they start charging.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
” If the police are also criminals…” take the blinders off. they aren’t just abusing black people. some of them are rapist, murderers, theives, drug dealers, gun runners, etc.
allison1050 May 1st, 2015 at 12:00 am
Welcome (?) to Amerika Ronald L that Black and Brown people have always experienced. I’m also sorry to tell you that this has also been happening in poorer white neighborhoods also.
rg9rts May 1st, 2015 at 5:06 am
Psssssst We ARE screwed
Trippin McZoink May 1st, 2015 at 5:58 am
Some police have been criminals since we’ve had police.
allison1050 May 1st, 2015 at 12:01 am
It’s not crass at all because it’s the truth ugly but true.
bpollen May 1st, 2015 at 4:42 am
When I was a teenager, I was a witness in a court case. One of around 25 for the defense. We described what happened, the one police officer lied. The judge found for the cops version. Afterward, in outrage (teenager…), I asked the judge how he could take the word of one cop over the words of two dozen or more witness who were remarkably in sync in their telling of events. He said that, without concrete evidence to the contrary, they will ALWAYS buy whatever the cop says.
rg9rts May 1st, 2015 at 5:05 am
Lesson learned???
bpollen May 1st, 2015 at 5:15 am
I learned clearly that truth and justice aren’t really goals of the criminal justice system.
rg9rts May 1st, 2015 at 5:30 am
Its the won loss columns that matter.. mostly the won
StoneyCurtisll May 1st, 2015 at 10:21 pm
You Will Respect My Authority~!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ
fancypants April 30th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
CONFESSS !
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
get this chit over with. stop lying. stop covering up. STOP!!!!
Ronald L April 30th, 2015 at 10:09 pm
The ‘second stop’ was only revealed with a citizen’s video.
Did you see that video? There were like five cops there! Apparently not one of them said anything about that.
whatthe46 April 30th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
attach link please. i’m already sick.
allison1050 April 30th, 2015 at 11:58 pm
On Alex Wagner’s show today they showed that there was a 4th stop that hadn’t been reported but was captured on camera so….
rg9rts May 1st, 2015 at 5:04 am
You think that happened at the unrecorded extra stop the van made??
Chinese Democracy May 1st, 2015 at 5:48 am
A complete takedown of the lies spread by the Baltimore PD and Washington Post on Freddie Gray http://goo.gl/9m0iTP
Trippin McZoink May 1st, 2015 at 5:56 am
Smells like a scam to me. The video indicates his spine was severed before he was put into the van. This was no accident because of negligence in belting him in as they’re making it out to be. This was a malicious act.
TKList May 1st, 2015 at 7:30 am
1) It is likely that Freddie Gray’s spine was injured when the police apprehend him.
2) After being put in the van he at some point he passed out because he could not breathe from of his asthma.
3) Passed out, his body was thrown around in the van which further injured his spine.
Suzanne McFly May 1st, 2015 at 7:57 am
I would like the police to prove that he 1) intentionally hit his head on the bolt. Whoever was driving the van could of been driving irradically and Mr. Gray could of simply slid into the bolt because the passenger wasn’t even restrained. And 2) show me how hitting your head on an object will sever your spine. I’m joking, we all know the police are above the law and can claim any BS that currently suits them.
shocktreatment May 1st, 2015 at 12:48 pm
So, now we have a poor accounting of Freddie Gray’s spinal injury, already widely and credibly challenged, and no accounting for his trachea injury.
Thanks for nothing, Mr Medical Examiner–
ChrisVosburg May 1st, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Greetngs from Hollywood.
As Chief of Engineering for a company that rents TV and video equipment to television and film productions, it’s been my job to make sure the equipment works properly going out and is undamaged upon return, and repair and calibrated as needed, so it can be put back once again into what I call “the pain chain.”
Sometimes, equipment is returned which is damaged beyond repair, and it is usually the result of careless transport practices, specifically, what we call an “unsecured load,” in which a large TV, say, is not anchored to a truck bed or secured to the railings inside, and is simply left to bounce around the truck box, lurching into the walls or tipping over, with every braking, acceleration, sharp turn or bounce. Resultant damage could be anything from a dented or scuffed case, to a catastrophic failure like a snapped neck on a CRT (picture tube). That last oughta resonate a bit–
See where I’m going here? I’m saying it’s starting to look like poor Freddie Gray was exactly that– an unsecured load, and if it sounds inhumane to regard him as that, well, you’re goddam right it is, and that is entirely my point.
Unconscious, left to bounce off the interior walls, and occasionally propped back up on the bench inside without being belted in, only to repeatedly be thrown to the floor again, he was treated as a piece of furniture might be treated by an indifferent furniture mover, making this all the more horrific.
He wasn’t furniture, you bastards, he was a human being.
StoneyCurtisll May 1st, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Right on..
And lets not forget his hands where in cuffs behind his back.
Robert M. Snyder May 2nd, 2015 at 12:25 am
School buses in Baltimore County MD do not have seat belts. Of course the kids are not handcuffed, but if a kid stands up in the aisle while the bus is moving, and the driver jams on the brakes to avoid a collision, that kid is going to slam into something. In a community where school children are not restrained in their seats, it is not surprising that adult passengers in police vans are unrestrained.
pam heath May 3rd, 2015 at 8:39 am
School vans and police vans are two entirely different vehicles, with dramatically different seating. It is also Baltimore department police to make sure anyone riding in the back is properly fitted with the seat belt. Because suspects might be handcuffed from behind, the belts are designed to be easily fastened by another person.The police commissioner said “there are no circumstances under which a prisoner should not be wearing a seatbelt during transport and that the department was investigating why Gray was not properly restrained.
Robert M. Snyder May 3rd, 2015 at 6:08 pm
All true. But the fact remains that if a child stands up in the aisle near the front of a school bus and the driver is forced to jam on the brakes to avoid a collision, that child is going to slam into the front of the bus just as hard as an unrestrained prisoner in a police van. Yes, the prisoner should have been restrained, and yes, rough rides should never be given. But an unrestrained adult in a police van driven by a responsible driver is at no greater risk than a child who decides to stand in the aisle near the front of a school bus.