NRA Mother’s Day Giveaway Is Gun That Toddler Used To Kill Mom
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D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.
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Maxx44 May 8th, 2015 at 9:47 am
It is impossible to shame the NRA. They won’t rest until every person in America is armed, and that BS about good guy vs bad guy is just that. They don’t care. They are the definition of domestic terrorist.
allison1050 May 8th, 2015 at 10:36 am
It’s all about the bottom line and nothing more.
lakestalker May 8th, 2015 at 4:06 pm
you’re right, it’s impossible to shame an organization.
No, they’re fighting to preserve one of our freedoms… anti-gunners are the domestic terrorists.
dbtexas12 May 8th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Yeah. You “anti-gunners” shooting up the place all the time. Your comments are weak and laughable.
Maxx44 May 8th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
So people who are opposed to shooting people are terrorists? It must make your head hurt to be so profoundly stupid.
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 7:56 am
No son, people who are opposed to shooting people are law abiding citizens.
People who have no regard for human life and are willing to take it for their cause are criminals, and terrorists.
Yes, my head often aches from the profound stupidity that you and your kind spout…
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 1:05 am
Do you really think, in the age of the internet, that people can’t find examples of right-wing ammosexuals (your peer-group) who claim to be “protecting” us from the [insert hated group here] to show just how bogus that claim is. Shawna Forde is JUST your kinda people. Veronica Dunnachie is another sympatico defender of the right to openly carry arms… and murder your family.
What you have failed to show is how anybody KNOWS that the armed yahoo walking down the street is just a law-abiding citizen or, even possibly another Jared and Amanda Miller. H.L. Mencken said “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” I assume that armed yahoos in public who aren’t police or military are not apt to be Mensa members, or particularly stable.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:06 am
Better get your butt to Texas to stop Jade Helm
allison1050 May 8th, 2015 at 10:39 am
Sorry father-in-law but your young daughter-in-law was absolutely irresponsible and unfortunately has now paid the ultimate price.
Budda May 8th, 2015 at 11:41 am
As smart and safety conscious as she was if she didn’t have that gun she would be alive today.
Carmen Conners May 8th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Are you kidding me? Good Lord…I LOVE how you mislead people into thinking that the NRA is giving a gun away that already has a ‘body count’..in this case, a young mother. How disgusting and shame on every one of you for using this tragedy to fit your anti-gun stance. A young mother is dead. Regardless of what took her life, shame on all of you for using this family’s pain in such a callous way.
bpollen May 8th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
I feel no shame and actually feel it is perfectly appropriate to show just how tone-deaf this giveaway is. If you don’t like people using gun tragedies to support an anti-gun stance, then perhaps all of you ammosexuals should stop CAUSING THEM!
lakestalker May 8th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
what a moron you are! Perhaps you should be anti-knife, anti-hammer, anti-car, anti-swimming, anti-motorcycle, anti-sports, anti-etc… you freaking anti-American!
dbtexas12 May 8th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
Well, there are moron’s about. Why don’t you look in the mirror. Ain’t it great that you can visit a “libtard” site like this and spew your ignorant nonsense. By the way, What does that “well regulated militia” business in the 2nd amendment mean anyway? Before you spout more of your mind numbing comments, I am a veteran of Vietnam, got my first shotgun when I was ten and have several shotguns in my home. Please explain also why any civilian need a military grade weapon. The only reason I can surmise is to protect ourselves from dim bulbs like you. “Anti-American?” What a joke!
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 7:51 am
First off… thank you for your service. Living through that era, I don’t envy the attitude you returned home to find.
I said nothing about military grade weapons, I was a bit more generic. Having said that, I DO believe that what the government has, we should also have. The Second Amendment was to protect us FROM the government. You have no need to protect yourselves from this dim bulb unless you attempt to separate me from my rights and what little freedom we have left. Please turn your bulb on… mine may be dim, but yours sir has completely burned out…
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Speaking of dim bulbs on the tree… I quoted the exact wording of the 2nd Amendment. The text says that the right is for the Security of the state. Your fantastical reading of it is bogus. It in no part, not a jot, not a tittle, not an iota of it, not a single word of it, says that you get the right to protect yourself FROM the state. Remember, this is ENGLISH. I assume you can read the language you have been posting in. Please show what word, what letter, what punctuation mark, what clause, what phrase says “The Second Amendment was to protect us FROM the government.”
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 8:01 pm
You’ve like most have never read it you’re just spouting what you’ve heard on Faux and from the radio entertainers.
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 1:55 am
Well, I have served my country, voted in all too many presidential elections, support my community. And all of your “examples” of what you think is equivalent to guns have one thing in common that guns don’t: every single one of them has a use other than killing (or practicing to kill.) Guns have ONE purpose.
Notice that I didn’t call YOU anti-American because I find your screed ludicrous. That is what serious people do… they rely on communications rather than insults.
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 7:36 am
I find the attack on my, and your, Constitutional Rights anti-American.
I too have served my country and continue to serve my community.
I’m afraid you’re incorrect. Guns are also for recreation, and a tool.
fahvel May 9th, 2015 at 1:47 pm
how do you recreate with a murder machine dip?
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
There is no attack on your constitutional rights. Try reading the 2nd amendment and then come back and tell me what “well-regulated militia” you belong to. See, according to the English language rules (you know, your putative native language) “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” is a dependent clause, and it is dependent on “”A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State” Since we now, unlike then, have a standing army, the “well-regulated militia” is NOT necessary to the security of a free state.
Also, absolutely no right is absolute. Felons can’t have guns in most, if not all states. Children below a certain age can’t have guns. In a number of states, domestic abusers can’t have guns. The right is ALREADY restricted. And has been throughout your lifetime.
Really, a gun is a tool? What household problems do you use it on? Blow the crap outta that clogged sink? Repair a child’s bike? FIx the trim on that little split-level ranch of your dreams? Fell trees? Fix that flaky NIC in your computer? Name one household chore that doesn’t have a more suitable tool than a fire-arm. Just one.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Wait…you served THIS country? Why on earth did you do that? The military is all voluntary! And if you’re so opposed to guns and the Constitution-along with its provisions and guarantees-the only thing that makes sense is that you joined the military to benefit YOU. NOT to ‘serve’ this country and what we stand for. If I were you, I’d rethink telling anyone about that. Because even those in the military who are diametrically opposed to every belief I have will tell you they joined to serve this country and all it stands for. So, I’m sorry….I simply do not accept you ‘served’ this country. You ‘used’ it. And that’s even more egregious than your guns stance. So…tell me…what branch? Where were you stationed? My husband is a Marine and was also a 1st Lt in the Army. My father was Navy and in the Cuban Missile Crisis. My uncles are Marines and served in Vietnam. So..again…let’s have it…what branch, rank and where did you serve?
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
“My husband IS a Marine and WAS also a 1st Lt. in the Army”….now explain that 1. Stop lying dude.
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 12:28 am
What a fetid piece of tripe you are. Who the HELL do you think you are implying that the US military is part of another country. There are MANY people who served and DIED so you can spew insults upon their name. And *I* am supposedly Anti-American? Nothing says “I’m an American” like claiming the people who serve to protect your constitutional rights work for foreign government.
You obviously are not opposed to putting bullsugar words into my mouth. I believe in the Constitution. I enlisted (after all, it’s a VOLUNTEER military.) If you were actually acquainted with the Constitution, you would be aware that the very first Amendment to that constitution says that I can believe what I believe, you can believe whatever whack job fantasy you want, and we BOTH can be Americans. As a Constitutional Scholar, you would make a great lamppost.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:04 am
Took your stupid pill…like all wackados …you change the subject when getting your butt kicked…take that back to FAUX
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 7:44 am
um… change the subject?
No, I babysit the sheeple who thrive on stupid pills.
Please don’t let your prescription run out. I think the real world would be overwhelming…
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 8:33 am
Troll come back when you grow up a little
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 9:12 am
I am fully grown and don’t troll any longer.
That is an activity for those much younger than I.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
Could have fooled me
fahvel May 9th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
grown and still a fool – how sad, or not.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
maybe they grew out and not up?
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 12:52 am
So, you are either a liar, or have no comprehension of what is meant by “troll” in these circumstances.
fahvel May 9th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
your dumb ass mouth has just redefined moron -you win the gun!
Cg May 8th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Of course you feel no shame! It’s apparent. It was a redundancy. 🙂
The stats on death involving guns belonging to law abiding owners are minuscule. The information is available if you ever decide to look. The bigger issue is the criminal element and guns; which, like drugs, will exist no matter what laws you try to enact. Not that I’m telling you something you don’t already know…you just conveniently ignore it because you simply cannot be happy in a society where your views aren’t legislated. It’s odd how so many liberals and progressives acream about oppression when they are the ones seeking to oppress everyone else. Case in point…take guns from those who follow the law while turning a blind eye to the criminal element, pretty much ensures we become enslaved by said criminal element, as there will be no protection from them. Wait…the police will protect us, you say? You mean the police that you denounce while supporting those who commit violence and call for violence against them? All the while, you are completely oblivious to the fact you will not survive in such a world. Before arguing that I’m wrong, I’d like to see you leave your little safe nest and go plant yourself in Ferguson or Baltimore in the same neighborhoods that teem with the lawlessness you support, and let’s see how that works out for you. But you won’t. Because you’re too much a coward to take that challenge. So, you just scream a little louder in hopes we won’t notice what a hypocrite you are. Go ahead and keep lying to everyone-including yourself-and continue distorting the facts, just like our pos president, while seeking to strip liberty after liberty from other citizens. Until the day you’ve opened the door too wide and begin to lose YOUR liberties. And it will happen. if you need more proof, just ask any Japanese-American who was around during WWII and spent time in interment camps that our own government set up. Or civil rights activists who were forced to endure segregation. Think it won’t happen again? Of course it will. History always repeats itself. And the irony is that it’s little Nazis like you-who won’t rest until you trample on the rights of others-who were the ones behind those camps and segregation. Because it certainly wasn’t the GOP, but you little sniveling Democrats. So, go ahead and repeat history. I’m happy raising my kids in the Christian faith and toting my gun everywhere I go. And I’ll bet a years salary that I sleep more soundly and am significantly more happy than any of you will ever be. Cheers!
dbtexas12 May 8th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Wow! The loons are out and about today! Liberals are like Nazis? The Nazis had all the weapons I thought. Jeez! “I’m happy raising my kids in the Christian faith and toting my gun everywhere I go.” Just like Jesus taught! The stupid is deep with this one.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Review your history…the Nazis had POWER because they TOOK guns from the rest of the populace. My comment stands. So…tell us…how are you NOT behaving like a Nazi?
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 12:51 am
Are you claiming that dbtexas12 is slaughtering Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists, mental defectives, and invading the Sudetenland? I demand proof! And brain-dead harridan can make wild accusations. You have been object proof of that.
Carmen Conners May 10th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
I think you mean ‘abject’ proof, but you seem emotional so I’ll let it go. Let’s take a tally, shall we? Millions of unborn babies slaughtered, check. Attempting to prevent citizens from protecting themselves. Check. Attempting to pass laws to punish people for using what is considered as offensive or ‘hate speech’. Check. Yep…sounds like Nazis to me!
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
No, I am literate in my own language. I said object and I meant object. Look it up. So, dbtexas slaughters millions of babies, attempts to prevent citizens from protecting themselves, passes laws to censor speech? Please provide incontrovertible (you can look it up when you look up the meaning of “object”) proof of your claims about him. Otherwise you are just blowing crap.
You really work the hell out of your projector, and provide absolutely NOTHING to support your contentions other than insults. So, check check check you’re a troll. Piss off.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 11:25 am
So you are against a womans right to choose… call zygotes ” unborn babies” and it makes the insane gun murder rate in the United States OK.. sounds like NRA puke to me
burqa May 18th, 2015 at 12:05 am
How could they take guns from everyone before they had the power to do so?
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 11:31 am
Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong!
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).
DianeM May 8th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
Crime among legal law abiding owners is low because the moment someone even thinks of committing a crime they are no longer law-abding.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
Not true. But that WOULD sound great on a liberal motivational poster!!! Thoughts are thoughts. The ACTIONS of those who go so far as to follow all the legal channels to legally purchase and carry a gun are what matters. And I’m still waiting for you to source how many crimes are committed by these people.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Allison is correct, you are trolling you are a teabag and you have changed the actual data and /or headers. You also use outdated info as well. Your soros filth shows me what you are
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 1:52 am
Blah blah blah. I have survived quite well for many decades without a gun. In fact, my whole family going back generations has gotten along fine without a gun. The fact that you think people can’t survive without firearms says one whole HELL of a lot about you. Why so scared?
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
But I’m not scared…why? Because I have guns!! HAHAHAHAHA Oh…sorry…that just never gets old to me. Ahem. Anyway, I believe you’ve lived in ‘war zones’ like I believe you served in the military. And why do you refer to them as ‘war zones’ anyway? Interesting choice of words for someone who can’t get enough of pointing fingers at everyone else for being ‘scared’. Perhaps they’re war zones because violence is rife and that violence is being committed by people who are using stolen weapons. And who will STILL have those weapons if you ban guns because they’re CRIMINALS. So taking guns away from us doesn’t solve anything. We’re not the ones committing the crimes.
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
The fact that you feel the need to be armed is prima facie evidence that you ARE scared. You yourself stated that you aren’t scared BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GUN. The logical corollary is that you are afraid if you DON’T have a gun. Sounds like you are wetting them all the time if you feel the need to go armed.
And yes, they were called “war zones” because of frequent shootings. And, in that environment, I STILL felt no need to metaphorically gird my loins before leaving the relative safety of my abode. Which leads me again to the question: WHAT causes the abject fear that makes you quake without a firearm?
Even in the military, if I didn’t NEED to be armed, and/or wasn’t REQUIRED to be armed, I wouldn’t be. In ACTUAL war zones. Sounds like one of us suffers from acute paranoia. And apparently has an identity crisis.
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Carmen is a TROLL masquerading as Carmen and lakestalker.
Carmen Conners May 10th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
That’s it, Allison!!! I’m a troll!! Is that your excuse to NOT source your own claims? Of course it is…because you’re either too lazy or too afraid. But it’s okay…I’ll be a troll as well, if it makes you feel better! HAHAHAHAHA
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 10:44 pm
Ummm… What in the world is Carmen Idiota? You haven’t been anything BUT a troll. And have YET to provide a source that supports ANY of your contentions. You insult, make outrageous claims, impugn the integrity of those who don’t agree with you, and make completely unsubstantiated claims as if the were Words From On High! That is the textbook definition of troll. As you keep saying: HAHAHAHAHA
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
lol carmen idiota .. love it
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 11:26 am
you are a troll.. in the classic sense of the word. Whats so funny about that? troll
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 11:27 am
get it?
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:02 am
Miniscule till its your family…THEN you sing a different tune whose first refrain goes “If only…”
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
You think those of us who own guns-for whatever reason-haven’t been touched by tragedy? I had a loved one killed by a drunk driver. But you don’t see me advocating for (alcohol) prohibition or restrictions on cars! Because it was the PERSON..NOT the alcohol or the car…those just became their weapons. The PERSON is what we need to be dealing with. And you know this. But it just eats you up that you can’t force everyone to adopt your views and opinions because, in your opinion, you’re always right. About everything. You should really worry more about your intolerance, delusions of grandeur and feeling as if you are the only person who has all the answers. I mean, really…maybe it’s no wonder that all of you are so bitter! You have no FRIENDS. Or God, for that matter. I’m always astonished by the depths of your ridiculous ‘anger’…astonished because it’s so clear you are angry with yourself, but simply can’t face that any more than you can face you just may be wrong. But hey…you go on wallowing in that misery, amigo…I’ll keep my life and personal happiness.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
What you are doing is called projection…you NRA types are the largest collection of out of control sickos that think a gun is a solution to everything…SO YOU approve of dimwits parading around Krogers with AR 15’s and I have problems?? You are damaged goods lady DAMAGED GOODS
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
I’m not concerned about people parading around with guns. In fact, I like the fact I can SEE them! And then I can make the choice of whether or not I want to shop there. You can leave, you know. Besides…those people aren’t the ones I’m afraid of. Why? Because I know the POS thugs who might think of committing armed robbery will see what I see and you KNOW they wouldn’t think of stepping in there! As far as ‘damaged goods’…well…I admit to not being a virgin when I got married, but I DID lose said virginity to the man I married. So I’m hoping for a technicality on that one. But I thought we were talking about guns!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG…sorry…I’m having so much fun! I rarely have time to sit down and prove my point so concisely and sourcing my material. So I have to say I am so happy that alan colmes decided to post such a ridiculous and misleading story. It’s okay to lie and manipulate but not to own a gun? Sorry…I’ll take the latter any day. I really HATE liars.
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Proved your point???
When might we see that?
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 11:27 am
Im concerned about people parading around with guns because they USE them.. You hate liars and yet you watch FOX?
Carmen Conners June 5th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Who said I watched fox? Oh…that’s right…you’re making bigoted assumptions because I don’t agree with you!! Lol
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
yeah I made my bigoted assumption because you are as fact free as FOX..
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 9:27 am
Actually C3votes, try sourcing your claim. Reading is always a good thing before publicly shaming your ignorant self.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Absolutely…which claims would you like sourced? And my God didn’t tell me to keep a gun. I know for a fact that Jesus wouldn’t either. But I’m not Jesus and I’m certainly not God. I’m responsible enough to protect myself. I wear seat belts, I buy car and house insurance, I partake in preventative health care, etc. My guns-which are insured and that I practice with and make sure are safe from prying little fingers at all times-are also insurance. If someone is in my house, I’ll call 911. If they attempt to break through my door to get to me and mine, I will shoot them. Period. God cares as much about guns as he does car insurance, seat belts, etc. Besides, since we were given free will, He doesn’t have anything to do with sickness, crime, illness or anything else. He’s a parent. Even if my parents can’t help me, they can support me and I can lean on them and draw strength from them. That’s what God does. My guns mean as much to him as my spatula or can opener. It’s my actions that He’s most interested in. Now…I’m headed off to source everything in my last statement (as CG)…never mind YOU could do it as easily, I’ll be glad to do it for you.
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Take t from the beginning is always a good way to start.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
Yep! I’m the same. That’s why I TOLD you that 🙂 Signing in on different devices sometimes happens that way. As to what your comment is about other than ‘Carmen to CG’, I’m not sure. But I’ll wait until you finish reading my sourced material that you asked for.
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
Allison-no matter where I source, you’ll claim that it’s right-wing…so, I decided to source only far left, pro-gun banning publications. Let’s begin:
POLITICO-
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/defensive-gun-ownership-myth-114262_Page2.html#.VU5xOvlViko
You don’t get ANY more left wing progressive than politico. And, par for the course, we have an article that starts with 4 or 5 stories of people shooting what they thought were intruders and turned out to be innocents. You won’t find ANY responsible gun owner supporting idiots like that, any more than I believe you libs would give a pass to a gang banger whose bullet went through a window and killed a toddler. But it wouldn’t be politico without some drama. No matter how rare those situations are. In fact, more children under 18 were killed by stray bullets last year than incidents of people shooting innocents by accident but then again…who am I to interrupt Politico’s narrative.
So, I’m combing the article for statistics…you know, those things that are in all the right wing articles that you call bunk and refuse to believe, only I can’t find any. Want to know what I found? Politico’s story is about a SURVEY and they take issue with the answers that most people buy guns for defense purposes. They feel the survey takers are lying. Which is odd. I have guns for defense and because I love going to the range and shooting as a sport. But, whatever trips Politico’s trigger (pun intended)
Next, we get to the meat of the article…here’s more about whatever survey they’re upset about:
“Let’s assume for a moment that Kleck and Getz’s estimates are accurate. Rather than being a boon to civilized society, then, these estimates of 1 million to 2.5 million defensive gun uses annually would instead indicate an epidemic of irresponsible gun owners—millions! Lucky for us, despite what the NRA’s favorite criminologists claim, this clearly isn’t the case.”
Wait a second. So, Politico is saying that the survey is a lie and there are a lot MORE people who own guns for defensive reason and this COULD be really bad-I mean, simply devastating-if we weren’t ‘lucky’. Whaaaaaa????? You mean, we COULD have an epidemic but because we’re lucky, we don’t.
Well, let’s go on…shall we?
Still no stats…just a bunch of buzz words. No numbers, just claims that are TOTALLY not sourced in any way, shape or form. That leaves us with the closing paragraph.
“But the evidence clearly shows that our lax gun laws and increased gun ownership, spurred on by this myth, do not help “good guys with guns” defend themselves, their families or our society. Instead, they are aiding and abetting criminals by providing them with more guns, with 200,000 already stolen on an annual basis. And more guns means more homicides. More suicides. More dead men, women and children. Not fewer.”
Evidence??? WHAT evidence??? I have no clue what sourced evidence has been presented in this article, but there IS one thing that captures my attention. “with 200k already stolen on an annual basis-more guns means more homicides, suicides, etc.”
I thought we were talking about the rights of law abiding gun owners. To blame us for the criminal element stealing guns and using them to commit crimes is to persecute a pharmacist for filling RX’s for a person who then sells them to a kid who OD’s and dies. (WHICH, btw, is the title of an article from the HUFFINGTON POST entitled “More people die from overdoses than guns, cars. Find it here http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2013/09/02/huff-po-more-people-die-from-drug-overdoses-than-from-guns-cars-n1687973
Anyway, back to Politico…so, if we gun owners are so dangerous and ready to shoot anything that moves, how in the world are over 200k of our guns STOLEN every year? By criminals? That we apparently DIDN’T shoot, mind you.
So, Allison, I don’t know what to say. I knew I couldn’t present my sources because you wouldn’t accept them (but if you have a change of heart, here they are:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
( I know, I know…factcheck leans more your way than mine, but I threw it in anyway 🙂
http://americangunfacts.com/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/06/the-firearms-statistics-that-gun-control-advocates-dont-want-to-see/
(Hate Glen Beck if you like, but at least HE, unlike politico, uses stats from the CDC and other sources…again…unlike politico)
By the way, did you know that the top 5 states for murder are gun control havens? California, New Jersey, Mass, NY and CT. Tell me again how stricter gun laws will make us safer?
There you go, Allison. I welcome ANY facts to the contrary. Because now that I’ve sourced mine, yours are null and void until you source yours.
Good luck with that.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
politico is troll central, not left wing.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
how much of a fringe nutball does that troll have to be to think Politico is left wing? lol
tracey marie June 6th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Trolling is for nutballs and children, he is both.
burqa May 18th, 2015 at 12:02 am
Politico is for banning firearms? All of them over there?
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 9:31 am
When did your particular god tell you to keep a gun?
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Spare us the hooey.
Your little phallic toys are more of a threat to our freedom and liberty than anything.
Aren’t YOU the sniveling ones?
The ones who are terrified of EVERYTHING??
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
But, I’m NOT afraid! I have gun(s)!! LOL But seriously…the only thing I’m afraid of is NOT having at least a CHANCE at being able to save the lives of me and mine in a dangerous situation. Just a chance. I may fail and die, but at least I had a chance. Unlike you. Who doesn’t have a chance. And if you’re cool with that, then great! Don’t buy a gun! I don’t judge you and I really don’t care if you’re armed or not. That’s why it confounds me why all of you are so ANGRY at the rest of us who don’t agree with you!
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
Unlike you.
______
You don’t know anything about me.
Meanwhile, if “responsible gun owners WERE responsible, we wouldn’t have a problem;
People who have ready access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed and three times likelier to commit suicide than those without a gun available in the home or from a neighbor or friend, a new study has concluded, published Monday in Annals of Internal Medicine.
Between that and all the little kids who get killed and wounded when parents were “ALWAYS” careful, except the time they weren’t.
As for; That’s why it confounds me why all of you are so ANGRY at the rest of us who don’t agree with you!
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Thou dost project too much Methinks!
You guys are the ones who get apoplectic when anyone questions ANYTHING, no matter WHAT happens.
Between;
CDC Ban on Gun Research Caused Lasting Damage
The CDC conducted gun violence research in the 1980s and 1990s, but it abruptly ended in 1996 when the National Rifle
Association lobbied Congress to cut the CDC’s budget the exact amount it had allocated to gun violence research.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-ban-gun-research-caused-lasting-damage/story?id=18909347#.UWqhghyBiDs
How The NRA Killed Federal Funding For Gun Violence Research
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1#ixzz2JbYmnpvQ
Remember; Docs v Glocks??
In Florida, pediatricians aren’t even allowed to ASK.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/upshot/do-you-own-a-gun-in-florida-doctors-cant-ask-you-that.html?abt=0002&abg=1
(Would the pediatrician be allowed to refuse to treat the kid when he got his hands on the gun?)
Carmen Conners May 10th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Let’s start with your first statement.
People who have ready access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed and three times likelier to commit suicide than those without a gun available in the home or from a neighbor or friend
As to the suicide claim, most suicides are gun related. But taking away guns won’t stop a suicidal person from committing suicide and I find it misleading and manipulative to insinuate that availability of guns is MAKING people choose to commit suicide, which is silly. People who are suicidal will kill themselves whether guns are available or not. And personally, I think that instead of trying to score political points on anti-gun sentiments, we need to ask ourselves why our suicide rate is what it is. I can tell you that our mental health system (the LACK of decent and comprehensive ones) IS ABSOLUTELY responsible for the suicide rate. You won’t blame them but you’ll blame the instrument people use to end their lives? I guess I expected better from you, old lefty.
As to the first part, well, it is simply ridiculous…”people who have access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed.” Show. Me. The. Numbers!!!
I’ll gladly provide numbers for you. As I did with Allison, I give you factcheck. Most of my Conservative buddies decry it as a ‘leftist’ tool. Personally, I think it’s pretty thorough.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
Like it or not, gun ownership is on the decline as is violent crime. Everywhere you look, you’ll find those hard statistics. FBI, UCR, CDC, Justice Dept….everywhere. The numbers are the same.
What ISN’T addressed is crime vs citizen defense. In short, how many stolen/illegally purchased or modified guns are used in commission of a crime verses how many Average Joe or Jane citizens fire in self-defense. Without numbers to that specific question (because I take it that you DO know that making guns illegal won’t stop the criminals from getting and using them, right? RIGHT? If you don’t answer the question or try to say this statement is incorrect, then I won’t bother you with facts as you’re clearly delusional) what I CAN look at is the UCR and FBI reports on the PEOPLE arrested for gun related crimes, who have had prior felony charges. Because those people we KNOW are using a gun illegally, as felons are not allowed to legally own guns. But here’s what we DO know…
Most violent crime is committed by repeat offenders. Dealing with recidivism is key to solving violence.
71% of gunshot victims had previous arrest records.
64% had been convicted of a crime.
Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.
63% of victims have criminal histories and 73% of the time they know their assailant (twice as often as victims without criminal histories).
74% of homicides during the commission of a felony involve guns.
Sources:
Richard Lumb, Paul Friday, City of Charlotte Gunshot Study, Department of Criminal Justice, 1994
Homicides and Non-Fatal Shootings: A Report on the First 6 Months Of 2009, Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, July 13, 2009
Firearm-related Injury Incidents in 1999 – Annual Report, San Francisco Department of Public Health and San Francisco Injury Center, February 2002
Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2011
Perhaps the public policy focus should be that most gun violence is between criminals…the same criminals who will still use guns whether or not they’re available or not.
One area that HAS gone up that I don’t like is gun-related INJURIES. This is the result of a populace who doesn’t understand what a responsible approach to owning firearms is all about. But this type of injury isn’t indigenous to firearms…it applies to cars, boats, sports, etc. Case in point…I have ridden and worked with horses most of my life. There is never a moment that goes by that I do NOT know that the 1000 pound animal I’m working with could kill me in seconds. So, I take precautions. I continue to learn and try to be prepared. This same attitude should prevail to any sport/hobby/machine that has the potential to hurt us. Does it? Nope. So I’m not surprised at the rise in gun injuries…disappointed? Yes. Surprised? No.
At the end of the day, you have every right to hate guns and gun owners. I don’t resent you for that. But I’m disappointed at the name calling and lack of manners exhibited by every one of you here. I thought you liberals were supposed to be more intelligent and compassionate than people like me! Instead of fact based discussion, you’ve resorted to behaving like toddlers throwing a tantrum. If you really want people to listen, grow up and act like adults. If you don’t believe the stats I’ve provided, GREAT! GO RESEARCH! Hell, I tell my own KIDS to question everything they hear…even from me…and go do their own research. I even tell them to go to the places they KNOW will be biased in their research, which will make them dig even more for the truth. But not you guys. Oh well…I’ve enjoyed my stay here, but now I’m bored. Let me know if you have any more numbers or find any evidence to refute the evidence I’ve presented. And I mean that…why? Because I never STOP looking for the truth. Maybe one day you all will tell me how it feels to just march in lockstep with everyone else, terrified you’ll be expelled for not toeing the party line. Sounds like a sad life to me. Ciao!
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
all you c/p is from 2010-2011 and a few things more recent, Your numbers were changed by you in some instances and your header was changed…all it took was for me to fact check you.
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
the words fact check sets t baggers hair on fire
OldLefty May 10th, 2015 at 8:35 pm
As to the suicide claim, most suicides are gun related. But taking away guns won’t stop a suicidal person from committing suicide and I find it misleading and manipulative to insinuate that availability of guns is MAKING people choose to commit suicide, which is silly.
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It make it much easier for them to do it impulsively and more throughly BEFORE intervention or a mind change, or just plain chickening out.
And I have worked in healthcare too long NOT to blame mental healthcare AND the easy accessibility to gun guns AND the gun culture AND the gun lobby.
[As to the first part, well, it is simply ridiculous…”people who have access to a firearm are almost twice as likely to be killed.” Show. Me. The. Numbers!!!]
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2014/01/111286/access-guns-increases-risk-suicide-homicide !!!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ !!!
Factcheck is considered rightwing by people on the left. Funny, huh?
What makes you think it supports your argument?
They say, “As we said earlier, the homicide rate since 1981 peaked in 1993”
Right before the assault weapons van?
“But among advanced countries, the U.S. homicide rate stands out. “We seem to be an average country in terms of violence and aggression,” says Harvard’s Hemenway. “What we have is huge homicide rates compared to anybody else.”Says Wintemute: “The difference is that in this country violence involves firearms and firearms change the outcome.”
Meanwhile; Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0
Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/
[Like it or not, gun ownership is on the decline as is violent crime.]
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gun ownership is on the decline is also a point I make and why would I not like it?
Nothing else you say contradicts my view at all, the ease with people get guns is largely responsible for the accidental deaths and injuries.
And I mean that…why? Because I never STOP looking for the truth. Maybe one day you all will tell me how it feels to just march in lockstep with everyone else, terrified you’ll be expelled for not toeing the party line. Sounds like a sad life to me. Ciao!
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That’s what EVERYBODY says.
Yes, you are a legend in your own mind.
As for…”Maybe one day you all will tell me how it feels to just march in lockstep with everyone else, terrified you’ll be expelled for not toeing the party line. Sounds like a sad life to me. Ciao!”
No projection there?
Neurotic projection is perceiving others as operating in ways one unconsciously finds objectionable in yourself.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
a newbie troll with cut/paste provided for you as well as your talking points from the NRA. You are wrong
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
you are afraid without a gun
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:10 am
How many bpollens are there….there is one below
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
It’s the same one, just gives a different picture depending on whether I reply onsite or via email notification.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 4:13 pm
Different avis…Ok just wondering …we have a split personality on my home site too
bpollen May 9th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
Didn’t know you HAD a home site… But the two avatars is an annoyance.. I just have to locate that original picture that you see on the left and then update Disqus…
allison1050 May 9th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
ALWAYS be private.
bpollen May 10th, 2015 at 12:47 am
I appreciate you looking out for me. Good advice is like fine wine. Entirely too rare.
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 8:42 am
I’ve been glad to see you since I found you last week and want you to stay here at LL. 😉 I enjoy reading what’s on your mind. Thanks
bpollen May 8th, 2015 at 3:30 pm
The “Mother is only half of your name” giveaway…
lakestalker May 8th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
actually, that’s bullshit 😉
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:00 am
Benjamins and the power that goes with it….look up Koch brothers for a reference
Carmen Conners May 9th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
Oooohhhh….the evil Koch brothers. Too bad they’re not George Soros…you know, the billionaire that gets rich by crashing the currency of other nations and who has publicly stated he LIKED working with the Nazis as they went around and stole art from Jewish people…AND who lives in Canada because our laws wouldn’t let him do the nasty things he does financially. Yeah…I’ll definitely take the Koch brothers over Nazi filth any day.
burqa May 9th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
I suppose to some people, there’s a certain satisfaction that comes with calling a Jew who fled the Nazis in World War II a Nazi……………..some people get off on shit like that……
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
That is hilarious lies and innuendo from brietbart. Your anti jewish comments and especially your glooming onto soros show what you are and it is nothing nmore then a bigot and a lying one at that
madashellnow May 11th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Interesting that no one ever mentions the Koch brothers also donate to Democrats…
rg9rts May 12th, 2015 at 12:27 am
All the big donors do …maybe you never noticed the disparity in the amounts..or is it just a FAUX talking point for you?
Cainer May 8th, 2015 at 4:51 pm
I have never owned a gun in my life. Does that mean I am not free? I have always thought I was.
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 7:57 am
No, none of us are truly free… haven’t been in our lifetime…
dbtexas12 May 8th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
Uh, “well regulated militia?” Seems the reading comprehension is missing on your side.
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 9:02 am
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT be infringed”
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
Look up what the ACTUAL “well regulated ” militia was meant to be.
hint; it wasn’t a bunch of yahoos running around shooting themselves and their neighbors in the foot and various other body parts.
allison1050 May 8th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
Idiot you must not have ever purchased stock or read the pages so doesn’t that leave you with your 401k? By the way, I’d advise you to check it since you don’t seem to know much about investing luv.
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 9:08 am
No lil darlin, unlike someone of your caliber, I cannot make a living on my back, so I did invest… and quite well apparently.
Thank you for being so concerned about my investments though.
Anomaly 100 May 9th, 2015 at 9:54 am
You’re done here.
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 6:58 am
And they are shocked when we label them wackos …this simply plain sick…and so is the twisted mind that thought this up
rg9rts May 9th, 2015 at 7:07 am
Surprised you can even spell constitution da gummint aint it ??
lakestalker May 9th, 2015 at 9:05 am
Did I misspell something? Must be my public education.
I’m pretty sure I wrote exactly what I meant to say, and quite clearly.
fahvel May 9th, 2015 at 1:43 pm
a very very big kevlar locket
Sam May 9th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
, it is important to
remember the intent of the founders of Mothers’ Day in America.
Anguished by the carnage of the Civil War and distressed by the
brutality and waste of human life in the Franco-Prussian War, Julia Ward
Howe, author of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic” and advocate of
better treatment for the disabled, prisoners, and the mentally ill,
first suggested the idea of Mothers’ Day in 1872 as a day dedicated to
peace.
Julia Ward Howe dreamed of organizing women around the world to rally for peace. In 1870 in a call to action she wrote,”Arise,
then, women of this day! Arise all women who have hearts, whether your
baptism be that of water or of tears! Say firmly: ‘We will not have
great questions decided by irrelevant agencies. Our husbands shall not
come to us reeking with carnage, for caresses and applause. Our sons
shall not be taken from us to unlearn all that we have been able to
teach them of charity, mercy, and patience.
We women of one country will be too tender of those of
another country to allow our sons to be trained to injure theirs.’ From
the bosom of the devastated earth a voice goes up with our own. It
says,’Disarm, Disarm!’ The sword of murder is not the balance of
justice! Blood does not wipe out dishonor…”
Carmen Conners May 10th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Actually, Sam, that isn’t true. The first Mother’s Day was in 1908 and was begun by Anna Jarvis-who began campaigning for it in 1905 after her mother passed away, because Anna wanted to set aside a day for mothers “the one who has done more for you than anyone else in the world”. Technically, even ancient cultures celebrated mother figures in religion and household, though I can’t remember the names of the celebrations. Julia Ward Howe’s movement is completely unrelated to Mother’s Day. Important, but not remotely the same.
Sam May 10th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Carmen,, I am not the article’s author ,I just passe it on as a point of interest about mothers day that I was reading .
I dont even remember where the link it was from..
You may be right but you tend to always post your opinions as factual events.
which I highly doubt is always true..
Carmen Conners May 10th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Really? I present my opinions as if they’re always true??? Wow. Considering I’m the only person on this thread to cite EVERY SINGLE CLAIM I”VE MADE, I have to say I’m surprised by that. But instead of writing this, why didn’t you look it up? I mean, you could’ve REALLY made a hell of a point by simply googling it for yourself, then you would’ve been a hero here on the board for all to see and admire!!! WHY DIDN’T YOU LOOK IT UP????? My God! No wonder you liberals spend all your time accusing detractors of ‘trolling’ and calling them various names. You’re either the most lazy people on this planet or you’re scared to death you might be wrong and can’t handle that. Whatever the case, it’s just downright poor character. Btw…you might want to source your email forwards before posting. Nothing makes you look like more of an idiot than passing on erroneous info as fact, letting everyone know how gullible you are to believe everything you hear or read without researching it. I would’ve given you props had you just presented it as “Got this in an email…don’t have time to research it, but I have to say it makes a nice sentiment for today, all the same.” I might’ve corrected you, but would’ve still had respect for you. THINK…THINK before you do things!!
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
you cite cherry picked info, you have all your c/pa provided for you with your narrative from the NRA.
Sam May 10th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
Carmen siad “Considering I’m the only person on this thread to cite EVERY SINGLE CLAIM I”VE MADE”
LOL
Thanks you for proving my point ,,
That justified my reply 100%
Warman1138 May 10th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
Excellent.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
more lies. Soros was 13 years old and lived, I do believe your kind are upset because he lived. He never said any such thing except on rwnj sites that lie.
Warman1138 May 10th, 2015 at 7:44 pm
Do not feed the trolls, let them yammer, vote them down and ignore them.
Warman1138 May 10th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
Troll!
madashellnow May 11th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
When Republicans don’t like guns, they don’t own one. When Democrats don’t like guns, they sometimes own one but tell others they can’t own one.
mmmjv May 12th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Nobody ever said Republicans can’t have guns
Chinese Democracy June 5th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
they should … because usually they are exactly the type of unhinged paranoid nutball you wouldnt want to have a gun.. Like the type that would give little kids guns