Seymour Hersh Claims Fiction Associated With Bin Laden Raid
New Yorker contributor Seymour Hersh says we weren’t told the truth about the raid to get bin Laden.
Hersh defended his major revisionist account of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden on CNN’sNew Day Monday morning, arguing against a skeptical Chris Cuomo.
“I’ve been around a long time, long of tooth in the business, and I understand the consequences of what I’m saying,” Hersh said.
The article — published in the London Review of Books, not in the New Yorker, where Hersh is a regular contributor — alleges that the U.S. killed bin Laden with the cooperation (and payment) of Pakistani officials, and that bin Laden was being held captive by Pakistanis in Abbottabad, not hiding out. This would make the Obama administration’s account of the daring SEAL Team Six raid a fiction on the level, according to Hersh, of Alice in Wonderland.
“You have to think about this,” Hersh said. “A team of SEALS…go into the middle of Pakistan, take out a guy with no air cover, no protection, no security, no trouble. Are you kidding me?”
Jon C May 11th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
One really has to, needs to, stop and pause when reading this. The “block-buster” story seems to be based on one (yes 1) unknown “retired” “intelligence” “Officer” “source”. Are they really a real, true while-blower of some sort? Or some hack? Either way, one should wonder what their angle, what is their true reason behind this.
tracey marie May 11th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
he wants to feel relevent again
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
pignose4.0 May 11th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
“You have to think about this,” Hersh said. “A team of SEALS…go into the
middle of Pakistan, take out a guy with no air cover, no protection, no
security, no trouble. Are you kidding me?” It happened to the U S leading up to 9/11 and there’s history of the U S doing raids like this from its founding.
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
greenfloyd May 12th, 2015 at 12:40 am
And we know governments, all governments, lie when it comes to their national security activities. It’s just that in this case, as Hersh points out at the top, Pakistan is a nuclear state with a formidable arsenal along with a troubling history of political unrest, military dictatorships and assassinations. Hersh’s piece is long with many details, it will take some time to digest it all.
William May 11th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Well it’s about time somebody came forward. Everyone knows that the Bin Laden raid was just a continuation of the Reagan policies.
Larry Schmitt May 11th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Because, as we all know, everything bad is because of the black guy, and everything good is because of St. Ronnie.
EnuffBull May 11th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
Remember, that one time, when Ronnie single-handedly saved LA from riots? Remember when he marched and won Civil Rights for all? Remember when he freed the slaves?
Larry Schmitt May 11th, 2015 at 2:45 pm
Those must be in the Big Book of Republican Fairy Tales. And they all end with “and that’s how Ronnie saved America. Again.”
EnuffBull May 11th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
You write; I’ll illustrate! We’ll make a fortune, I tellz’ya! A “4th generation Republican oil tycoon inherited wealth” fortune!!!!
Larry Schmitt May 11th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
It’ll be a huge seller in Fox Nooz Land.
Suzanne McFly May 11th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
You guys better hurry up, that audience is dying off by the minute.
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
I do remember when he was president and 241 marines died in a truck bombing in Lebanon…
And he tucked tail and ran.
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Herb Sarge Phelps May 11th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
He and Alex Jones make a nice couple don’t they?
Larry Schmitt May 11th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
I don’t know that Alex Jones and anybody make a nice couple.
sofarsogood May 11th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
That’s the best he can do?…’Are you kidding me?’ Stuff he doesn’t understand he attributes to some conspiracy. Long in the tooth, short in the head.
bpollen May 11th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Is that a FIresign Theater reference?
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
High Five to the Firesign Theater reference~!!
bpollen May 12th, 2015 at 2:42 am
“Loosener’s Castor Oil Flakes, with real glycerin vibrafoam!”
“Oh, it ain’t no use
If you ain’t got the boost
The boost you get from
StoneyCurtisll May 13th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
StoneyCurtisll May 13th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
tracey marie May 11th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
what will the teabaggs say now that their heros are called liars, will they defend them and the President or go with their hate?
Gadea May 11th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
As long as OBL is dead, Americans in general, will not care about this.
Suzanne McFly May 11th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
I can’t believe these types have the nerve to question what our elite troops can do, they have done it repeatedly and bush didn’t even have the faith in them to carry out such an operation when President Obama did. This bastard couldn’t have done regular boot camp when he was 20 and now he is questioning the capabilities of our Seals, that won’t work out well for him.
Hirightnow May 11th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
“A team of SEALS…go into the middle of Pakistan, take out a guy with no
air cover, no protection, no security, no trouble. Are you kidding me?”
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Isn’t that what SEAL teams are supposed to do?…:)
Gadea May 11th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
US Establishment Press Dismiss, Shrug Off Seymour Hersh’s Story on Killing of bin Laden
By Kevin Gosztola
Gadea May 11th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
Nobody cares about this story. OBL is dead, how he died, if the CIA has the body or not,
doesn’t seem to be ruffling anyone’s feathers.
One big yawn, is the splash this story caused.
madjayhawk May 11th, 2015 at 6:50 pm
It should be easy to disprove what he is alleging. I assume someone will step up to do it. Sweeping the story under the rug accomplishes nothing. There is a TV Show called Myth Busters for a reason. People will want to know if the story around Bin Laden’s ‘alleged’ killing is true or just a myth. Like you point out, we have been lied to before. I have no real reason to doubt that story of the raid etc is true. But I have been wrong before. I initially thought that OJ didn’t kill his wife.
Gadea May 11th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
The Murder of Osama bin Laden – By Seymour M. Hersh
Gadea May 11th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
Seymour Hersh Succumbs To Disinformation by Paul Craig Roberts.
By Paul Craig Roberts
Seymour Hersh has published a long account of the homicide of Osama bin Laden:
Hersh concludes that the Obama regime’s account of the killing of bin Laden is a
total fabrication except for the fact that bin Laden was killed.
I do not believe Hersh’s story for three reasons.
One reason is that bin Laden was suffering from disease
that no one can survive for a decade.
His death was widely reported in 2001.
One reason is that even Hersh’s “true” account of
“what really happened” is contradicted by eye witnesses and
the initial Pakistani TV interviews of eye witnesses.
One reason is that Hersh’s story is too convoluted for an assassination raid, a routine event.
He exposes lies within lies, indecision within decision, payoffs within payoffs, and
reports such a huge number of people with advance knowledge of the raid that it
cannot possibly have been kept a secret.
I could add a fourth reason–the US government’s lack of credibility.
Washington lies about everything.
For example: Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,
Assad’s use of chemical weapons, Iranian nukes, Russian invasion of Ukraine.
If, as Hersh reports, lies comprise 99% of Washington’s
tale of the raid in Abbottabad, why believe that 1% of the story is
true and that bin Laden was killed.
It is difficult to have murder without a body.
The only evidence that bin Laden was killed is the government’s claim.
In my opinion, Washington’s disinformation agencies have
finally managed to deceive Seymour Hersh with a concocted “inside story” that
saves Washington’s claim of having murdered bin Laden by proving that the US
government is an extraordinary liar and violator of law.
Hersh’s story does prove that the US government is a liar, but
it does not prove that a
SEAL team murdered Osama bin Laden.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the
Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal.
StoneyCurtisll May 11th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
Paul Craig Roberts is a lunatic on the scale of Alex Jones..
In fact Paul Craig Roberts is a favorite guest on Jones’s show.
OldLefty May 11th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
I didn’t realize that he had been given to such wild conspiracy theories;
“He’s claimed that much of the US special forces is controlled by secret members of Opus Dei, that the US military flew Iranian terrorists to Nevada for training, and that the 2013 chemical weapons attack in Syria was a “false flag” staged by the government of Turkey.”
And from 2011;
High-ranking members of US military part of ‘Knights of Malta,’ ‘Opus Dei,’ reporter claims
labman57 May 11th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
The bin Laden raid was staged — you know … like the moon landing.
robert May 11th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
might as well associate this with james hoffa sr.
we are never going to hear the end of it
Talkin_Truth May 12th, 2015 at 12:09 am
I never trust the military accounts of things.
I’m not alleging that his is some big fake — I just think that the military has no interest in accurate reporting.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 12:12 am
All this smoke and no fire. Where is OBL’s body?
When we killed Saddam Hussein’s sons, the bodies were on display for all to see.
Qaddafi’s body and his son’s body was on display for all to see.
So what is so special about OBL’s body?
How come OBL’s mortal remains were not plastered on the front page of the NYTIMES, like the others? As long as OBL’s body is not produced, anybody can make up anything.
Talkin_Truth May 12th, 2015 at 12:15 am
Having a body isn’t going to shut up he conspiracy theorists.
Obama producing a birth certificate certainly didn’t work.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 12:35 am
A body is visual evidence, hard to dismiss by most sane humans. OBL body should be displayed, just like the others. Otherwise the speculation will continue.
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 6:02 am
Many think the others should not have been.
All Congress viewed them and even Obama’s most committed enemies confirmed.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Displaying the body removes the doubt.
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
The conspiracy people will always have doubt, and nobody else does.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
There are always going to be hardcore conspiracy theorist, but they will be regulated to the status of lunatics. Once the OBL’s body is on display.
We saw all the other bodies, in all their bloody glory.
Why was OBL’s corpse the exception?
This is what gives way to all this sound & fury.
Except for the usual pundits, political addicts, etc., I don’t see this being a big deal. Nobody is really talking about it. Seymour Hersh news was greeted by a big yawn.
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
There are always going to be hardcore conspiracy theorist, but they will be regulated to the status of lunatics.
Today they get MSM shows and get into Congress.
I don’t believe that any reasonable person has doubts, and I don’t agree with displaying the other bodies as there have been enough methods of ID, including DNA.
We never needed rational evidence to give conspiracies sound & fury.
Look at Sandyhook.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Show me the money!! Show us the body!!
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
I couldn’t care less.
The evidence we have is fine with me.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
The rest of the car is burning so keep driving on the flat tire.
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
Except that the car is not burning and the tire is not flat.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
A domestic horrible incident that took place inside the U.S. is not the same thing as hunting down a killer and his minions that were responsible for an attack on U.S. soil. The comparsion does not hold water.
As I said before, all the HIgh Value Targets executed by our Military were put on display. We acutally saw Saddam Husseins execution and his body afterwards.
His sons, Qaddafi and his sons. OBL comes from that part of the world and was a significant player in the events that took place. Where was OBL’s body?
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Just google; COL MUAMMAR GADDAFI STILL ALIVE-FAKED HIS DEATH
and, Saddam Hussein HOAX DEATH ACT, Saddam is Not Dead,…etc.
I think governments release what they think will have PR value for them.
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
OldLefty May 12th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
Here’s a few more;
Nixon, Reagan and Stephen King killed John Lennon
Wingdings font has a secret message of approval to kill Jews
Israel makes Palestinian schoolgirls sexually promiscuous by selling them aphrodisiac bubble-gum
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Who believes them?
Talkin_Truth May 12th, 2015 at 12:26 am
I used to live near Abbottabad and I was really shocked that Osama was there.
But, the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. But, the only way that hiding place would work is if he was getting protection by members of the Pakistani military.
Not the whole government, almost surely, but by a general or whomever. And those same protectors could probably be bought-off.
But this part of Hersh’s argument:
is not convincing to me at all.
I have no problem believing that American special forces could make a mockery of the Pakistani military.
rg9rts May 12th, 2015 at 4:55 am
Didn’t change the outcome one iota
Obewon May 12th, 2015 at 9:30 am
Jeez! The USA’s stealth helicopter program was admitted by POTUS Carter 35 years ago! America’s stealth fleet has included the F117-A, B, C, the B-2 Stealth Bombers, Stealth choppers, drones and the X-37 B remote piloted space shuttle drone programs. Don’t these loons know stealth means radar invisible? Boom!
Gadea May 12th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
Governments, Heads of State, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Chancellors, El Jefe of whatever Republic, lie, they all lie.
In the U.S. we have been lied into more than 1 war. Vietnam, Iraq are 2 that come to mind.
In school, we were told that the Native Americans were treated well by the English Settlers, the truth is the complete opposite.
And it goes on from there.
Expecting any politician to tell the truth, about where they get their money, who funds them,
the reasons why they voted for this or that, or they advocate one position of another, is folly.
Money plays a critical role and fear of being out of power is another.
Organizations that have the political clout and $$$ to crack the whip and demand that a politician dance to their tune or else that organization will finance an opposing candidate.
So our politicians are basically bought and paid for by organizations that have the money to do so. So when our politicians open their mouths, you have to look at what they are saying and who is paying them to say it.