Republican House Passes Bill Making Abortions Illegal After 20 Weeks Of Pregnancy
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Here they are wasting their (and our) time once again, and then wondering why they can’t get enough female votes.
“This legislation is a dangerous and far-reaching attack on a women’s constitutional right to choose whether or not to terminate a pregnancy,” the ranking Democrat of the Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr., said Wednesday…
The Michigan Democrat also presented the bill as a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade because viability is generally considered to be around 24 weeks of pregnancy, not 20, and the landmark 1973 case decided the right to privacy extended to having an abortion up to the point of viability.
Republicans countered that at roughly 20 weeks, a fetus could feel pain. The bill’s sponsor, Arizona GOP Rep. Trent Franks [pictured] said, “Our consciences need to catch up with our technology.”
Franks said protecting the lives of all Americans — “especially those who can’t defend themselves” — was the reason members are here. He called late-term abortion “the greatest human rights atrocity in the United States today.”
“This is a vote all of us will remember the rest of our lives,” Franks said.
Speaker John A. Boehner also spoke from the floor in support of the bill. He called the measure “the most pro-life legislation to ever come before this body,” and, choking back tears, he said his parents often reminded him and his 11 siblings that every child is a gift from God.
“A vote for this bill is a vote to protect innocent lives and to protect our dearest values for generations to come,” the Ohio Republican said.
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Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
The unborn fetus in the womb, at any stage, is alive.
Fetus cannot survive on its own, in the early weeks of its existence.
Regardless, it is still alive.
At 15 weeks, the fetus is a recognizable as a human.
Fetus has a head, feet, hands, it kicks, moves, breaths and needs the mother to live.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Republicans lied again! At roughly 20 weeks, a fetus CAN’T feel pain until 28+ weeks!
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
this one went from troll, teabagger, liberal now back to troll
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
I’ve been watching it, but its not yet one toke over the line…
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
I know, I do not advocate for banning.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
You don’t know that the potential human cannot or can feel pain. 20 Weeks the potential human can survive outside the womb.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 10:05 pm
Medical science proves you’re grossly uninformed and dim.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:09 pm
Whether it feels pain or not is in dispute.
However, that the potential human is alive, is not in dispute. Fetus is life, it is alive.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
so what, the decision belongs to the woman
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
That could change.
Fetus is alive.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
nope, mind your business
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
What do you mean “nope”? The Fetus is alive.
Make me.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:04 pm
WHEN does a zygote become a fetus Dr. of Nothing?
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
“A vote for this bill is” one of 67+ votes for the same unconstitutional bill!
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
I’m not against abortion.
There are times, that a woman should kill that life inside of her, before it exits her womb.
What I am saying, is that the Fetus in the Womb is alive, it is life.
As with anything else, that is alive, it is necessary to kill it if you do not want it to live.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Fetus in the womb is alive. It is life.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:22 pm
mind your business, the choice belongs to the woman not you
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Abortion could be banned, restricted in the not too distant future.
Regardless of who likes it or not.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
SCOTUS says your ‘prophecy’ would’ve “Unconstitutionally” killed Mrs. Rick Santorum via fetal poisoning toxic shock at 23 weeks gestation.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
I think woman have the right to take the life of their fetus, for whatever reason. The Fetus is alive, so in order to kill the fetus=potential human, it is necessary to take it’s life.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
I am not against women murdering a potential human.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
Your Bible places no value on fetuses or ex-post utero infants less than one month old.
“And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.” — Leviticus 27:6
Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons…. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
I think the Bible makes for interesting reading.
I don’t have anything against Christians.
I am an Atheist.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
You’re most likely a dissembler too.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
I do not believe in Virgin births during that period of time.
Via artificial insemination, it could happen now, but not then. I do not believe that there is an invisible man, a grandfather type figure sitting on a throne anywhere.
Anyone that is nailed to two pieces of wood and had their sides stabbed with spears is dead.
I do not believe in Life after death, or ghost, etc.
Nobody walks on water, without drowning.
My parents were Pentecostals and they raised me in that religion. I just never believed any of it and when I asked questions, got into a whole lot of trouble.
So I left and never went back.
Chinese Democracy May 15th, 2015 at 3:24 am
even then.. women made less than men .. sigh
Carla Akins May 13th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
GET OUT OF MY UTERUS, and do some actual fucking work for once.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
11 week old fetus. Fetus, moves, kicks, breaths. Want to kill the potential human?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GiKzoUhTt0
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
lol,hows does a fetus breath in fluid…is it a fish?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Fetus is alive. The mother, may want to kill her fetus,
breathes for her fetus. The fetus does practice breathing towards the end of its life in the womb.
The Fetus is alive. You must destroy its life to kill it.
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Damned right it’s a fish!
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:20 pm
I hate it when trolls troll but I love it when they make a mistake
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
I do to Tracey.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Good to see you Allison.
Dwendt44 May 14th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
A one point it has a tail.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Why does your God kill 4+ fetuses per each live human birth? D’oh!
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:35 pm
do you know why i’m not getting the attachment icon? i can’t attach anything because the icon is missing. can you help?
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Gravatar works! https://en.gravatar.com/ 1. attach. 2. logout and relogin.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
what in the world is Gravatar? lol. my icon was always there at the left of the “post…” how do i get it back?
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
The user icon is a gravatar. Try reuploading. Logging out and then logging back in. Here’s the user manual. https://codex.wordpress.org/How_to_Use_Gravatars_in_WordPress
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:49 am
ok, i’ll give it a try. i actually rebooted my bot, and its still not showing it. so i suppose i’ll try what you recommended. thanks.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:03 am
ok. i think i may have not been clear on what i’m trying to do or asking for. i don’t have the icon that will allow me to attach a picture to my post. you know when you want to attach a pic to a post, there’s that little icon on the bottom left (in the corner of where you click to post) its not there anymore. how do i get that back?
Obewon May 14th, 2015 at 1:25 am
Oh! Well did you reboot? If that doesn’t work then ‘remove cookies’ for past 24 hours (or 1 day+ since the last time you saw the load image box.) Mine works fine 🙂
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:46 am
i did reboot. and i logged out. now i guess i’ll just exit out of everything, then get back on and try the cookies. thanks for the advice. if it doesn’t work, i’ll tell you, but i’m not expecting you to cure it. lol
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:57 am
yep. that didn’t work either. i’m not a happy camper. ooooh wait, what if i turn it back. you know, reset it to 2 days ago. ahhhhh i’m not happy.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 2:34 am
lol. that didn’t work either. setting it back. i’m too tired to keep trying. i will bother you all tomorrow. wait it is tomorrow. any other ideas? its not fair. i have 15 mins. before i call it a night.
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
Are you male or female Gadea?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Female and in 1975 I had an abortion.
I put my own interest ahead of those of my unborn child.
I didn’t wait 15 weeks. I was 4 weeks.
But it was still a potential human and I allowed a doctor to legally murder my unborn child.
No matter, how you pretty it up, that is what happened.
I am not against abortion. But the Fetus is alive, its life must be taken, in order to stop the potential human from seeing the light.
Murder is murder.
Obewon May 13th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
“legally murder”-Nutcase! Either that or you must prove a Dr. operating under tha law was indicted? D’oh! (You’re 100% dissembler)
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
;o)
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Your opinion is fine with me as long as it doesn’t infringe on MY belief system which isn’t yours. What works for you is also fine with me but your guilt belongs to you not to anyone else. Thanks
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
BOOM!!!!
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Why thank you!n ;o)
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
My opinion is never going to infringe on anyone’s belief system. The Lawmakers of the land, now that is a different story. They seemed bound and determined to strike out Abortion and they may succeed. They are coming within striking distance.
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
Just for your edification Gadea, if I’m not mistaken the word “fetus” doesn’t really apply until 8 weeks so no you didn’t “murder” a baby nor did you “murder” a fetus. Who placed this guilt on you that you now seem to want others to share with you?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:40 pm
I don’t see it that way Allison and never have.
My child would have been 40 years old, had I let it live.
I didn’t and I regret it.
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:42 pm
Mine also but it still doesn’t make it “murder” so my question still stands Gadea, who placed this burden of guilt on you? Are you familiar with the word zygote if not look it up and then look of the word fetus followed by when a fetus is viable.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
are you pro-death penalty?
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
so what, you do not decide for others, period.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
The fact that Abortion has been made so hard to get in so many states tells a different story.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
nope, mind your business.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
it tells the story of people like you wanting to legislate a fk’n woman’s right to choose! please tell me where the voting occured that states the “people” of that state voted to determine the choice of a woman’s right to abort?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
I don’t want to legislate anything. I think that a female that wants to kill her fetus, should be allowed to do so.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:11 am
You need to stop with that murder crap.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:22 am
Kill is that better? If you take a life, you are killing something. Snuffing it out.
The Fetus is alive, how do you think the fetus loses its life. It is killed, snuffed out.
It would have been in the delivery room, in the arms of its mother, otherwise.
The Fetus is not an inanimate object.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:23 am
you are a liar
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:25 am
Did I say that? Nope
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:30 am
What would you call it then and remain truthful?
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:26 am
I can see that you also aren’t able to use a dictionary.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:29 am
What do you call it Allison, if something is alive and then it is not. The fetus receives oxygen, nutrients from the mother via its lifeline, the umbilical cord. Fetus is alive.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:30 am
but, you’re all for state sanctioned murder. you are so pathetic. you are like all “pro-lifers” not pro-life, but “pro-birth” because once they are born, you can give 10 flying monkey fk’s about them. yeaaa its here, yeaaa kill it. yep, that’s you.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 7:08 am
Germs are alive, the mold in my refrigerator is alive, but they all need certain conditions to continue. A zygote/fetus cannot live without a host, yes medically, biologically the mother would be a host environment. The moment you take a fully grown breathing, voting, tax paying citizen’s right to handle their own medical affairs and substitute it with an elected official’s religiously tainted views we have a problem. It has the potential for life – that is all. A woman already is life. What about her life?
What if they were voting to implement the “one-child” rule and forcing you to have an abortion? Politicians have no role in making medical decisions. Period. You are entitled to your opinion, and no one here wants to force you to have, or not have any medical procedure – why would you insist upon a view that require someone else to?
Anomaly 100 May 14th, 2015 at 6:26 am
You are very offensive. I’ve been called a murderer by people just like you. People that would not raise by fetus if I had brought it to full term.
When judgemental people like you want to raise other people’s children, you let me know, OK? I had an abortion after i was raped and if you think I murdered a human being, then there’s something wrong with you.
Quit judging others. It was not ‘alive.’
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
I am very sorry you were the victim of sexual assault. That is awful and should never happen to anyone. I hope the individual that assaulted you was arrested and punished for that vile act.
The Fetus is Alive, it is not a fully formed human with the ability to survive outside its mother’s womb in the early weeks. It is still life.
The right of the mother to choose has to be balanced by the right of the unborn baby to live.
That is my opinion and it looks like there are plenty who agree with me, because otherwise the GOP pushed by the people that elect them to office would not have passed that bill.
I am truly sorry for what happened to you and I hope you were able to fully recover.
Anomaly 100 May 14th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
Thanks for your empty compassion. The perpetrators (there were two) were never brought to justice for many reasons. One of them being judgemental people just like you.
You dare to judge others, yet you’ve never been in their position.
Just because the GOP pushed a crock of shit into motion does not mean that ‘plenty of people’ agree with you. It means your party is dysfunctional and lacks compassion.
I am a vagina owner. Your party will never shame me for what I had to do. You see, it was either an abortion or suicide.
I chose to live. Liberals are the real ‘pro-life’ party. Citation: I am alive, thriving and happy now.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
My party is not the GOP. I am a registered Democrat.
I am glad that you did not kill yourself.
I just do not like Abortion and am not in favor of it.
We will never agree on this subject.
But I do wish you well. Live long and prosper.
Anomaly 100 May 14th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Let me be clear, Republican. I don’t care what you feel is right or wrong. Science proves you wrong.
I don’t care if you ‘don’t like abortion.’ You know what? It wasn’t my best day either when I had the procedure – but it was better than giving birth to my rapist’s baby.
I will ‘live long and prosper’ but not because of your views. It’s because of *my choice* that I am alive.
If it was up to you, I’d have no choice and I’d be dead.
Jinkies, thanks for that.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Well, if the GOP loses in 2016, Abortion will be available the way it is now. If the GOP wins in 2016, they will load the Supreme Court with conservative judges, that will overturn Roe vs Wade. The GOP will also do everything it can to abolish Abortion as it stands now. We will see in 2016. I don’t feel strongly enough about this issue to vote against Hillary Clinton. But I may vote for a Republican. It is a long way till 2016 and anything can happen. A candidate, we have never heard from can rise up and overtake the current hopefuls. I still wish you the best and I am very glad that you did not take your life.
Anomaly 100 May 14th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
Doll, we don’t want you. Democrats believe in choice, not forcing rape victims to give birth.
You ‘wish me the best’ yet essentially you would prefer that I killed myself. I was given no choice. There are so many women like me. I am not alone. I will continue to fight against anti-choice people such as yourself as long as I breathe because you hate women. You won’t admit it, but you would put us in a life of misery simply because you personally don’t ‘believe in abortion.’
Don’t act like we’re friends and wish me well. I see right through you. You would prefer the fetus was carried full term and I died.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
What will you do if a Republican sits in the oval office and kills Abortion in the U.S.?
Anomaly 100 May 14th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Stupid questions do not deserve an answer.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
you lie.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
you are not supported by anyone but losers and control freaks
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
What it says Gadea is that there are an awful lot of religious nuts running around.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
They are in positions of power.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
furthermore, if a woman became pregnant with a guy with blue eyes, because she wanted her child to have blue eyes, and therefore, not abort, what do you think she would do if the child was born with brown eyes, or gray eyes, or green eyes, kill it?
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
and answer me, do you believe in the death penalty? simple yes or no.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Yes.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
murderer!
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:29 pm
I do not disagree.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:38 am
I believe Gadea is a dude.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 1:40 am
I agree, and a liar.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:48 am
That also. 😉
jasperjava May 14th, 2015 at 10:53 am
Gadea was a “Hispanic” a few days ago when s/he supported racism and apartheid in the “White Appreciation Day” thread.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
It is a troll who is always caught lying. It backed out and tried to troll another thread, it was ignored.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 11:20 pm
then you are one big fk’n hypocrite. LOL.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
Why? A fetus does not have any known history.
If a murderer is arrested, tried and convicted and the state has the DP as an option, I would not rule it out, depending on the crime.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:37 am
To say the least!
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
I will now call you killer gadea
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
Well you wouldn’t be wrong. My child would have been 40 and there is not a day that I don’t think of him.
He would have been born in April of 1975.
I don’t know why I think of my unborn child, that I had aborted as a male, it just happened that way.
I did go to my mother’s grave and gave him a place on it.
So when I go there I place flowers both for him and my mother.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
18 weeks is when a fetus can be identified by sex, not 4 weeks. Get your lies straight
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:14 am
I never knew the sex of my unborn child.
I don’t think it was legal in 1975 to have an abortion at 18 weeks. But I didn’t wait that long. It was just over 4 weeks, maybe 1 week after that.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:20 am
“him” stated by you above…stop lying
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:26 am
I always felt it was a boy, since I have sons.
But I never knew, because they didn’t tell me.
In 1975, there were no ultrasounds, no sonograms of a fetus in the womb. Most parents did not know the sex of their unborn baby until the baby emerged from its cocoon in the womb.
So I did not know. I just gave it a name. I named him Henry, because in my mind I imagined my unborn child as a boy.
I asked for an abortion, the clerk did a double take, because this as the maternity ward. At that time, there was no separate area for women having Abortions.
So women that were having an abortion, were in the same place as women giving birth. That is the way it was in 1975. This was a major hospital, not a clinic.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:28 am
you lie.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:29 am
No, TM. I’m telling the truth.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:31 am
i’m with tracey, you lie. and her name is not TM.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:32 am
Think what you like. WT46.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:35 am
and you must be a sarah palin clone. stupid, ignorant and trolling for attention. lol.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:42 am
We were having a conversation. It turned ugly, nasty, when I told the truth and some people got very offended and didn’t like it.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:14 am
point out your truth.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 1:17 am
No. Talking to you is not worth it.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:18 am
lol
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:31 am
Do you know of anyone that was having an ultrasound,
sonogram, knew the sex/gender of their unborn child in 1975? I don’t think anyone knew then.
No, TM, I am not lying.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
spamming and being a liar and offensive asshole, flagged
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
I do not disapprove of Abortion=taking the life of the fetus.
A woman could want an abortion for any number of reasons.
She doesn’t want the race, ethnic background of the male that fertilized her egg.
Maybe she was just out on a lark and did not use birth control, so she wants to take the life of the fetus, because she made a mistake.
Maybe she wanted a man with brown eyes and he has blue eyes, so flush the fetus.
Maybe she got raped, her father raped her, and the fetus will pay the price.
Maybe she’s too poor, lives in a ghetto and doesn’t want the fetus to be born into that life.
Maybe the guy has blonde hair and she wanted brown hair.
Maybe the genes are wrong, maybe the fetus is defective, retarded, has down syndrome.
Maybe when science has advanced enough to determine whether or not the baby is homosexual, she will kill the fetus, because she doesn’t want a fetus with a gay gene.
Or maybe she does want a fetus with the gay gene and doesn’t want the straight fetus.
There are so many reasons, why a woman would want to kill the fetus.
The Fetus is Alive.
allison1050 May 13th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
So my dear, when are you going to answer my question of 6 minutes ago?
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
“She doesn’t want the race, ethnic background of the male that fertilized her egg.” now that’s just stupid, that is unless she was raped, so that wouldn’t be an issue.
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“Maybe she was just out on a lark and did not use birth control, so she wants to take the life of the fetus, because she made a mistake.” maybe it’s just none of your fk’n business.
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“Maybe she wanted a man with brown eyes and he has blue eyes, so flush the fetus.”
Maybe you should have stopped with the first letter you typed. that’s just as assinine as your first “reason.”
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“Maybe she got raped, her father raped her, and the fetus will pay the price..” typical ignorant “pro-lifer” so she should have to carry a child created out of rape, and since she may choose not to it’s her fault. she should be made to pay the price by carrying a baby born of violence to remind her everyday.
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“Maybe she’s too poor, lives in a ghetto and doesn’t want the fetus to be born into that life.” there’s no maybe you are a prejudice racist. why not include poor trailer trash that live in a meth infested community, to that assumption?
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“Maybe the guy has blonde hair and she wanted brown hair.” NOW I KNOW THERE’S NO MAYBE TO IT, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY ONE DUMB MF’ER.
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Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:37 pm
So Rape is the only reason why you would approve of a woman having an abortion? The female may have a abortion for all the reasons I mentioned. You don’t think so? The Fetus is alive and must be killed to keep it from moving.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
really? that’s what you got out of my response to your idiotic post? i was going non-point by non-point, that you were trying to make, by countering it. i got tired of reading the rest because your non-points became too convoluted with stupidity, which is why i didn’t answer them all.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:17 pm
Boy! you are really annoyed.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:18 pm
boy, you are a liar
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
About what? What am I lying about TM, in your opinion?
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:23 pm
you lie
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
About what?
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
stupidity sometimes annoy me. and in this case, it’s your stupidity that’s annoying me.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
None of your business, stop trolling
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
You are the one following me around, TM.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:18 pm
go with that.
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:29 pm
That is what you are doing, what you have done.
I seldom, if ever initiate any online conversations with you TM. You follow me around.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
it is now trolling and doing a piss poor job of it.
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
seriously right?
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
I am bored with it, how about you?
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:49 am
lol. i don’t know how you lasted so long.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:50 am
fun to poke trolls, but that one get’s boring
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 1:12 am
yea i know. and it’s still trying. i quit. it became to redundant for me. same ol same ol b.s.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
you are a long winded moron. Mind your business
whatthe46 May 13th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
you crack me up… LOL
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
she is trolling and lying about having an abortion
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
No TM, I am not lying about my child.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
you lie, 18 weeks not 4-8 weeks
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
What 18 weeks what are you talking about?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
I would say Go to Hell, but I think you’re already there.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
what is hell, some teabaggtroll secret place?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
TM, you are angry, out of sorts, calling me a liar, when I told the truth,
engaging in name calling. You are very bitter.
tracey marie May 13th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
lol, get over yourself
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 2:06 am
Troll
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 10:20 pm
Can anyone deny that the Fetus is Alive?
Gadea May 13th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
If the GOP gets in, in 2016. Abortion is done.
Bunya May 19th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
I seriously doubt that. The republicans have always run on overturning Roe v. Wade, and once they’re elected, they do nothing. A woman’s right to choose goes back into the closet until the next election cycle, where they will dig it our and recycle it.
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The GOP will never overturn Roe v. Wade. After all, what else do they have to run on?
Gadea May 19th, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Why have Red/GOP States made it so difficult to obtain an abortion? There are areas in some Red/GOP states without a single Abortion provider.
The states, so far, 19 of them where Abortion laws are the toughest are mostly all GOP run states.
That is what makes me think, that if the GOP gets in the Whitehouse, Abortion is dead.
I don’t think the GOP is going to make it easy and if they can load up the Supreme court with conservative judge they will.
Bunya May 19th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
The GOP will never overturn Roe v. Wade because, if they did, they’d lose 74% of their voters. Reagan ran on anti-choice sentiment, and once elected, did nothing to change the law … same with Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. This is how they get the religious fanatic vote. They just run on overturning abortion, not actually doing it.
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The GOP is a dying breed. Many people today (men and women alike) think women are more than capable of making their own healthcare decisions. It’ll never fly. The GOP have a better chance of winning the election if they ran on promising to bomb New Zealand, rather than promise to revert to 18th century laws.
Gadea May 19th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
They are not dead yet and in the states where they have the upperhand, abortion has been nearly strangled. That is why females that want an abortion travel from GOP states to places like NYC.
Bunya May 20th, 2015 at 9:45 am
I think you’re wrong. As much as you want Sharia law to be implemented in this country, and as much as you want women to become second class citizens again, it ain’t gonna happen. Sh*theads like Rick Perry who’ve brought back draconian laws by restricting women’s rights, have been voted out of office. That’s just the beginning – and that’s what happens when someone tries to screw with women just to satisfy the religious fanatics.
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Gadea May 20th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
You got me wrong.
Bunya May 20th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
If you’re one of the religious fanatics who want to do away with a woman’s right to choose, then no. I don’t have you wrong.
Gadea May 20th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Okay, have it your way. I’m not arguing with you.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:07 am
In the U.S., we have a new God. This God is all seeing, all powerful, tracks all of us, inside and outside the U.S. This God knows everything you do.
It’s called the NSA.
According to Edward Snowden
Even if you’re not doing anything wrong, you’re being watched and recorded.
Nobody is anonymous on the internet.
Our government tracks everyone.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:31 am
TROLL ALERT!! TROLL ALERT!!
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 12:32 am
no chit right? big fk’n time.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 12:34 am
Why do you ask me questions and then when I answer your question you attack me?
I didn’t ask you anything, you asked me.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Umm, I stopped waiting for you to answer my initial question 10 1/2hrs. ago genius. ;o/
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:45 am
now it is whining
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:46 am
Exactly! Now it’s gotten to be tiresome.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:51 am
The trolling, long winded and off topic is ridiculous.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:47 am
Wow… so, I came in to make a comment and I’m still going to.
Just know that I had no idea of the ugly conversation that’s been going on when I thought about it.
I just wanted to say I’m ok with a 20 week limit, with rare exceptions (life of mother, for example).
There is only one reason I need, personally, to believe in that.
I knew someone in my church who had been born at 21 weeks.
He had really bad vision and he was skinny, but generally speaking he was fine.
His birth was no secret to the congregation, because it was the pastors son and just about everyone there had been part of the church since before the pregnancy even began.
There were pictures of his dad holding him in the palm of his hand.
Crazy stuff.
But he’s fine.
Which means he was alive at 21 weeks.
I have no doubt he was able to feel pain and with at least some basic level of awareness.
And that’s what I wanted to say about that.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 1:01 am
I’m so glad he made it and that he is fine. That is really wonderful.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:03 am
Me too. 🙂
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 1:07 am
so what, mind your business
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:11 am
How about you back off.
I didn’t say anything about anything, in fact I only mentioned to say that what I was saying wasn’t related to the conversation that had happened.
In other words, this isn’t about you.
I just wanted to comment on the story.
So, please, take your vitriol and shove it.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 1:15 am
controlling womens medical decisions and being for restrictions is wrong. You are correct, this is not about me but about women retaining autonomy over their bodies, period.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:22 am
Oh yeah… I think we got into this a while back.
You and Gadea are like polar opposites.
While she sees a fully aware baby before it’s possible, you see a non-viable, unaware fetus until after it’s outside of the mother.
Which is, medically speaking, completely false.
And no, this isn’t just about autonomy over ones own body, it’s also about the facts of when a baby is viable… when it can feel pain and process thoughts of “HOLYCRAP WHY AM I BEING KILLED RIGHT NOW” (not really, but I hope you get what I mean).
Don’t get me wrong, the overall issue is a woman’s autonomy over her body, but if the baby is alive, aware and able to feel pain… that MUST be taken into consideration when proposing the ability to abort the pregnancy.
Not to do so is inhumane and belittles what it means to be human in the first place, not to mention being an affront to science.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:23 am
But I have to go walk the dog, then I’ll probably be offline until tomorrow.
Just lettin ya know
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 1:26 am
No, this is about me standing up for women, period. Autonomy over our bodies and medical decisons should not be taken, period.So I repeat, mind your business and let all women make their own decisions.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 11:53 am
I’m not trying to make any decisions for women.
But to suggest a baby doesn’t matter or count until after it’s born isn’t standing up for women’s rights, it’s just being a selfish asshole.
Although, I do wonder how you feel about men having to have their wife’s consent in order to get a vasectomy.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
I am going out to walk my dogs, just thought i would let you know.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 2:01 am
Don’t be such a drama queen it’s really unbecoming.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 11:48 am
I didn’t want to be involved with anything to do with the previous conversation, but Tracey couldn’t help but get in a jab anyway.
What I saw in that conversation was ugly, it was disgusting.
I don’t care how much of a troll someone is (or isn’t) – when they say they’re still hurting 40 years after having an abortion, to call them a murderer is an asshole thing to do and it’s disgusting behavior.
The only drama queens are anyone who attacked Gadea in such horrific ways.
And Tracey for telling me to mind my own business when I wasn’t in anyone else’s… meaning she got in mine, not the other way around.
This is exactly why I prefaced my post with saying my comment wasn’t related to the conversation that had already happened.
I didn’t want to be involved in this BS.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 11:59 am
Do you really mean that you don’t recognize trolls? Gadea is a liar Kick, too bad you didn’t catch that.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
I don’t care if Gadea is a troll.
Calling someone a murderer (Especially if you support abortion) when they mention having had an abortion is the action of a bully.
What if Gadea really had an abortion 40 years ago and is still torn up about it?
What kind of monster would call someone in her situation a killer, a murderer?
A troll may be annoying, but it’s certainly no worse than acting like a heartless asshole.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
Why don’t you go back to the thread and start at the beginning of the discussion Kick, Gadea was v-e-r-y busy calling everyone that had an abortion a murderer.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
And that’s wrong too.
But it still stands that the way Gadea was treated, in regards to her own abortion, was despicable.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
“And that’s wrong too” since you must have gone to the beginning of the discussion and you DID see who was calling others that disagreed murderers. Stay in your fog. Good day
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
Rock on.
Have fun with your “but she did it” reasoning for grotesque behavior.
I’m sure that’ll get you far.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 2:55 am
” you see a non-viable, unaware fetus until after it’s outside of the mother. Which is, medically speaking, completely false.” says who?
“And no, this isn’t just about autonomy over ones own body….” of course it is. you don’t believe that you have a right to decide what’s best for you when it comes to your body and soul? no one who advacates for the life of an unborn child, with such “noise” gives a damn about the child when its born. and you know it. foodstamps cut, welfare cut, s.s. cut, but go to war to kill, murder innocent people, check.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Says science.
After a certain point, a baby can survive outside of the womb.
If that weren’t true, then there would be no such thing as a premature baby that survives, nor would c-sections ever be a viable option.
And I’m not a conservative who pursues idiotic social destruction.
I fully support social programs and am not a fan of war.
I’m not saying you don’t have a right to decide what’s best for you.
I’m saying when a fetus is old enough to be a living feeling being, that reality shouldn’t be ignored when making a decision about abortion.
I’m also not against laws that restrict 20+ week abortions, but I am against laws that outlaw it altogether.
Dwendt44 May 14th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
A fetus is not aware, period. A baby is born with a blank slate mentally, it has no memory prior to that point if even then. Anyone that claims they ‘remember’ being born is fooling everyone including themselves. Baby boys that are circumcised feel significantly less pain than a slightly older infant.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
That’s just ignorant.
I mean, you have to be willingly ignorant to suggest a fetus is never aware of anything until after it’s born.
If they are unaware, then they would have no connection to their mother when born.
They wouldn’t have a preference for certain types of music while in the womb.
They wouldn’t know the father by voice after they’ve been born.
There is no reality in which you can convince me that an unborn baby at 35 weeks (for example) is completely unaware and simply an unfeeling blank slate.
I don’t what kind of medical black hole is going on here, but babies are alive after a certain point in their gestation.
They HAVE to be in order for that gestation period to be as useful as it is.
Just as they develop lungs and eyes, they develop a brain and establish early connections.
The brain doesn’t get flicked on as it passes through a vagina.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 6:57 am
Kick, they may have told you that story but it’s simply not possible. The earliest surviving pregnancy is a girl, documented at 21 weeks 5 days in the UK. It’s generally accepted scientifically that prior to 22 weeks is simply not survivable. After 23 weeks can be survived with enough medical intervention but almost always results in multiple birth defects if born prior to 33 weeks. It’s just simple science, they haven’t developed enough to sustain life.
However, abortions after 20 weeks are only 1% of all abortions and virtually always done after learning of fetal anomalies, and are done so at the behest of their doctors. But bills like this would make that impossible. If you were carrying a fetus and found out at 21 weeks that you had low amniotic fluid and as a result, the fetus would not develop all organs and slowly die inside of you possibly presenting you with further medical complications wouldn’t you want to be able to rely on your doctor’s advice and not John Boehner’s?
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 11:28 am
Oh absolutely, I’m not trying to argue that point at all.
Like I said, it should be severely restricted after 20 weeks.
If you’re 2 weeks pregnant and decide to abort the pregnancy, you’re basically just stopping cell development that will turn into a fetus weeks later… but after 20 weeks, that fetus can feel pain and is alive.
I’m just saying that needs to be kept in mind when addressing abortions after 20 weeks.
And it’s not that they told me a story.
It’s that the entire congregation knew about the pregnancy all along.
It was often re-told throughout the years, obviously in support of fetuses being alive… but the fact remains, we all saw the pictures (and maybe video tape, I don’t remember for sure) of this hand sized baby.
Whether it was 21 weeks and a couple days or an exact 21 weeks doesn’t matter, it still says that aborting a fetus after 20 weeks means you’re aborting a living, feeling being.
My whole point is simply that I am not for an all out ban on abortions after 20 weeks, because there are always abnormal circumstances and situations that can arise and we need the medical wiggle room to address those issues.
But I am for restrictions that disallow for 20+ week abortions for reasons that aren’t of detrimental and/or medical importance.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 11:44 am
My misunderstanding, since most tests that reveal abnormalities, don’t appear until 20 weeks or later these bans essentially require a woman to carry a dead or dying fetus. I can’t get on board with that, and along with all the misinformation spread by the so-called pro-life organization and the Republican party I get a little pissy on the topic – I meant no offense to you – I just can’t let misinformation alone when it comes to this subject, it’s too important.
Dwendt44 May 14th, 2015 at 11:55 am
The claim that a fetus feels pain at 20 weeks is highly disputed. The anti-abortion crowd take one amazing, if exaggerated case and try to apply it to ALL cases. The truth is not with them.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
If a baby can exist outside of the womb, it can generally feel pain at that point… and is also a living, aware being.
If it can feel pain outside the womb one day, it makes sense that it would feel it inside the womb on the previous day.
Obviously there’s some point where they don’t feel pain yet, but if a baby can be born at 21 weeks and survive, then any fetus at that stage is likely to feel pain and is certainly living.
But go ahead, look up and watch the 3D ultrasounds at 20 weeks and tell me those aren’t living beings.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
Do you have any idea when a fetus if viable? Allow Google to become your new bff.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
In the US, 24 weeks is the current standard.
There are numerous cases of babies born at 22 weeks who are able to survive, so that’s obviously viable.
So, yes… I do have an idea.
It’s at least 22 weeks, even between 21 – 22 in rare cases.
With that in mind, it makes sense to have restrictions on abortions after 20 weeks.
Simply because you are no longer aborting a pregnancy, at that point you are terminating a living baby.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
Wrong Kick, simply wrong. Where did you get your supposed information? Wherever you get it stop using it. You’re better served using Google and I’m not joking Kick, I’m being totally serious.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
Lmao… that’s funny, because Google is exactly what I used.
There’s info all over the place about that stuff.
Please, feel free to show me where I’m wrong…
Maybe some proof that viability in the US is a different week of pregnancy.
Or that no babies ever survived being born at 22 weeks.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
I’ve read a number of those reports, without a medical degree it’s much like slog for me but most agree prior to 28 weeks no receptors allow for pain. It’s the emotional appeal thing – Kansas recently passed SB15 “the Dismemberment Bill”. It’s a D& C for fucks sake, women have been getting them for decades, medicine isn’t pretty – what can I say? Horrified Kansans immediately jumped on board.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Well, in the US, the age of viability now stands at 24 weeks.
There is a 25% survival rate for babies born at 22 weeks.
Maybe they don’t feel pain for a couple weeks after they’re born, but I wouldn’t count on it.
Granted, I wouldn’t know for sure either… I’m not a medical professional.
But it’s certainly enough for me to believe in restricting abortions after 20 weeks.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
There was an article in Scientific America just this week about viability, and they now say it’s the in-between week 22-23 weeks where there may be more viability than previously thought. Unfortunately, it doesn’t improve the defect or health factor. ThinkProgress did a really good piece on it – one I can understand (LOL) which makes it better for me when someone puts it into layman’s terms. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/05/07/3656209/new-study-viability/
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Oh yeah, babies born that prematurely are almost guaranteed to have some sort of medical issue/s.
Of course, there are also some who are born that early that survive without any major health problems.
It’s definitely an interesting, yet complex, topic.
allison1050 May 14th, 2015 at 1:10 pm
It’s in dispute since the nerves are still developing Dwendt.
Kick Frenzy May 14th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
No problem, I totally get it, their crap pisses me off too. 🙂
granpa.usthai May 14th, 2015 at 1:33 am
just think.
with even MORE Republikons in government,
NONE of US will have to decide anything!
they’ll be more than happy to do it for US (even if we don’t like it)
ain’t freiDUMB a wunderbar thingie?
Kevin777 May 14th, 2015 at 2:23 am
And don’t forget libURTEA.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 2:24 am
what is that, something in the baggerish?
Kevin777 May 14th, 2015 at 2:37 am
Could be, I’ve heard it said down south quite often last time I was down there.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 2:38 am
I do believe i was wrong with my comment, my apologizes
rg9rts May 14th, 2015 at 7:28 am
A Bilboism…like a Yogism except in hobbitish
Kevin777 May 14th, 2015 at 2:28 am
Goodness gracious Americans need to wake up and smell the roses for real, there are some truly scary pieces of legislation being pushed through red statehouses all over America. The mainstream media has not been privy to these evil bills for some reason that eludes me, women especially need to be made aware of what these middle aged conservative white men are pushing upon them, they wanna take women back to the 19th century.
whatthe46 May 14th, 2015 at 2:40 am
i can’t answer the woman question for you. i’m a woman and i don’t get it. the women that are involved in the GOP/TP sharia laws, have been born and bred to be completely stupid. a pastor just killed his wife, who is a repuke, because she found out he was involved with other men. he said he couldn’t divorce her because it was “against god” paraphrasing. he said that she was going to die soon, and when god took her away, they (he and the other guy) could be together. only, he thought god, his god, was taking too long. these women you speak of are married to those “men.”
rg9rts May 14th, 2015 at 7:25 am
Kev…not only are the democrats lazy in the off year elections but have given the statehouses to gopee on a silver platter…AND that is where the real power is…vaginal probe anyone?
booker25 May 14th, 2015 at 6:50 am
Franks got his MD yet?? No, he needs to get out my womb and stay out.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 7:09 am
Hallelujuah.
rg9rts May 14th, 2015 at 7:22 am
Crotching is a national past time for the gopee
rg9rts May 14th, 2015 at 7:21 am
Republican conscience is an oxymoron
Hirightnow May 14th, 2015 at 8:13 am
Yet, where are they for the poor, the homeless, the disabled vets, the homosexuals, the children, the…
alpacadaddy May 14th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
…because ‘Jobs’ is our top priority (right after smaller less intrusive government!)
So how is that GOP re-branding effort going?
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
I’m fine with 20 weeks. The right of a woman to have domain over her body, should not be more important than the right of the unborn baby to live.
I’m fine with this GOP bill.
I emailed my political reps, Senator Chuck Schumer and Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney,
Boehner, President Obama and let them know that I was okay with abortion being banned at 20 weeks.
Elliot J. Stamler May 14th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
I am strongly pro-choice, Gadea–I don’t “like” abortion” either. Like Bill Clinton said, I want in this land for abortion to be safe, legal and rare. But I do not think the 20-week cutoff is reasonable because it assumes wrongly that all fetuses will survive at that point–that it is now the point of general gestational viability. It is not. That point is at least still 24 weeks. There are very very few women who wait until after that point to have abortions–unless a later medical problem arises. The Texas fascists are not in the least interested genuinely in gestational viability-they are interested in destroying all constitutional right to abortion and Gadea, surely you must realize this.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
When I look at a 20 week old Fetus in the womb, I see a baby.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Great, medical doctors can see more than you looking at your grandchild or any other romantic notion. This is exactly why lay people and politicians should not make vital, important life changing medical decisions.
cecilia May 14th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
that’s because you WANT to see a “baby”
laws should not be based on your hallucinations
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
If the mother doesn’t know by 20 weeks that she wants to kill her unborn baby, that’s on her.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Sometimes there are things like, lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, holoprosencephaly , placental abruption, previa, preeclampsia, amniontic
fluid embolism, accreta prolasped umbilical cord, epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, uterine cancers, , inversion of rupture uterus, Placenta
accretaprolasped umbilical cord, shoulder dystocia ruptured endometrium. …
lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, holoprosencephaly, a condition where there is no brain and a single eye, uterine cancers, ruptured endometrium…and or rape and incest, …
That’s why it’s these sanctimonious busybodies should not come between women and their doctors.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Well I am not totally set against abortions.
There are times when they are necessary, like in the examples you set forth.
But I am not unhappy with the GOP bill.
I am okay with that.
I let my political representatives know that via email and I followed it up with a telephone call to their office.
Not so long ago, a 20 week fetus would not be able to survive outside the mother’s womb.
Now the fetus can not only survive, it can thrive as well.
The Republicans do not want to fund any programs that would help mothers without the financial means, emotional support, guidance to take care of their babies.
So it is hypocritical on their part.
But still I don’t really like abortions or the idea of abortions. So I am fine with the GOP bill.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
My problem is that I don’t think it’s anybody else’s business.
It only effects poor women ( who will STILL what they think they have to, it will only be more dangerous).
Looking to Mexico for Alternative
to Abortion Clinics
A pharmacy employee in Nuevo Progreso, Tamaulipas, holds a box of Cytotec. The medication is intended to treat ulcers but has been used by women as an abortion pill.
McALLEN
— In this Roman Catholic stronghold, where abortion is deeply stigmatized,
reproductive health providers tell stories of women going to pharmacies across
the border in Mexico, in search of a drug they hope will terminate unwanted
pregnancies.
But the providers say that the pharmacies, which are largely unregulated, often fail to give proper instructions for the drug, misoprostol, and that it does not always
give the women the result they seek.
http://www.texastribune.org/2012/08/12/looking-mexico-alternative-abortion-clinics/
The Return Of The Back-Alley Abortion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/back-alley-abortions_n_5065301.html
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
The genie is out of the bottle on this one.
The government is making abortion its business.
The GOP, pushed by their constituents just this bill.
President Obama threatens to veto it, but he is nearly out of the Whitehouse. And there could be a GOP President elected and if that is the case, Abortion is dead.
I don’t like the idea of women having to resort to the dreadful back alley abortions, that is horrible.
But, I do feel that 20 weeks is more than enough time for a female to decide whether or not she wants her unborn baby to live or not.
If the case of dire situations, where a ultrasound, sonogram,
amnioncentis, doctors in conjunction with other doctors, decide that the fetus is not viable, at that time an abortion is okay.
There are many issues surrounding this, the female’s right to make decisions affecting her own body, not having programs in place that help mothers in trouble, etc.
But I just do not like Abortions and for me there is no way of getting around that.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
My issue is that even at 20 weeks, things, (often health things), happen, some young and ignorant people don’t even know for some time, some are afraid to tell, (especially if it’s their daddy or a family member), sometimes by the time everything comes out a vulnerable poor person is left utterly alone.
Again, I feel it should be between a woman or girl and her doctor, not bureaucrats.
I also feel that we always forget the lessons of the past and have to relearn them.
Don’t forget a majority supports Roe v Wade
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
Unfortunately, you are right, that terrible things happen to young people and they are afraid to tell.
I hope all those things can be worked out. I wouldn’t like to see a young person in trouble with nowhere to turn. But we do have courts, lawyers, judges, schoolteachers that can intervene and help.
I don’t know how it is all going to end, I just do not like abortions, I feel it is murder.
Maybe it is justifiable under certain circumstances.
I use to feel that abortion should be available on demand, no reasons asked.
Until I saw ultrasounds of a fetus in the womb,
that were not just dots, but clearly a baby, with moving parts, a recognizable human.
I have pictures of my own grandchild in the womb, before she was born. I just feel differently.
We will probably never agree on this issue.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
I worked in healthcare (nurse) for 40 years, my husband is a doc, which is why I don’t want the government involved.
His chief of surgery, (30 years ago) was both a stanch Catholic AND a stanch conservative, but that Roe is the ONE place where he has always broken ranks with them, because he saw the results of when it was not legal and safe,
I have also seen the ultrasounds of many, including my grandchild, but I believe that an actual person trumps a potential one.
Only 1% are done after 20 weeks and mostly for severe defects.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
There is nothing like an ultrasound of your own grandchild, it just knocks the socks right off you.
You have had a lot of experience in this field as a nurse and your husband being a head doctor.
You have witnessed a lot of pain and suffering and I know you have helped a lot of people.
We just don’t see eye to eye on this subject, that’s all.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
That’s OK.
That’s why we debate :-}
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Thank you for being you.
As a nurse, you have touched so many lives and helped so many people. I deeply respect that.
OldLefty May 14th, 2015 at 6:46 pm
Thank you.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 7:10 pm
So you’re fine with forcing a pregnant woman to carry a dead or dying fetus even though there is no possible way the a live birth will occur or will die a horrific or painful death, because that is what you’re advocating?
cecilia May 14th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
take your eye and shove it
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
So tell me, exactly how are these going to work themselves out? Truly, I want to know how you think women, specifically poor women will deal with “things”. How will they be worked out? If you get your way, no one – not just you will be able to get an abortion after 20 weeks legally.
What would you tell your daughter or daughter-in-law that found she was carrying a wanted but dying fetus that wouldn’t survive birth? Would you force her to carry to term or until she miscarried at a much later and dangerous date endangering her chances of having other children?
Really, what advice would you give her since you are so certain that other woman, shouldn’t be allowed to make this decision with their medical advisor?
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
You don’t sound to me,like you really want to discuss this issue. You are not engaging in personal attacks,
name calling, but you sound really upset, confrontational. So I think I will pass.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
Where did I call you a name? Why would I be upset, you think it’s fine to replace sound medical advice with your opinion because you don’t “like” abortion. I have 5 grandchildren and have a 6th on the way. I love all of them more than you can possibly understand.
I never want my daughter or any of my granddaughters to ever have to make such a heart-wrenching decision, but you can bet your ass I will go down in flames defending their right to make that choice. I would never substitute any belief I held for their ability to make their own life choices in a matter so intimate and personal.
How arrogant of you to think that your choice, your opinion is best for others, all others. You’re right, I don’t want to discuss anything with you.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
messing with mods will not end well for you troll
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
F**k You.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
tsk tsk teabagger troll
Robert M. Snyder May 14th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Carla, are you suggesting that there should be no limits? If a woman wants to abort a perfectly healthy fetus at 39 weeks, are you okay with that? I realize that is exceedingly rare, but are you suggesting that there should be no limits at all, even when the fetus and mother are both perfectly healthy?
Obewon May 14th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
“there should be no limits?”-Robert M. Snyder just offered to pay ALL expenses for every pregnant mom and their unborn throughout the USA! Good on you. But that won’t end 4+ natural miscarriages/abortions proving life does not begin at ejaculation.
Robert M. Snyder May 14th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
If we adopted a single-payer healthcare system in which all prenatal expenses were covered, would you then agree that Congress has a right to limit abortions? If not, then your position on the role of Congress is not related to their willingness to pay, so your argument about who pays is completely irrelevant.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
no
Obewon May 15th, 2015 at 12:36 am
The $1.5 T+ deficit reducing ACA already covers “all prenatal expenses.”-Snyder. And that’s not even a mere .1% of twenty years of child support, housing, food, clothing, medical care, and education costs through at least ‘two years of free community college-Obama’s proposal pays for itself by raising taxes only on ‘the wealthiest among us.’ Here’s $6 T in budget savings. For the children!
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
I’m saying politicians should not be making medical decisions. When you make absolutes like this you are leaving desperate people so choice, none whatsoever. Some imaginary women running around the country having abortions at 8 months all willy-nilly is ridiculous, these women don’t exist except in the minds of the judgemental determined to force their beliefs on everyone.
Viability has been the litmus test, but to have no options for the 1% that need them is ridiculous. There are restrictions now, but these are not sufficient for our elected officials. Our friend here seems to think that magically somehow things will work out for these unfortunate souls – no, they won’t. This is why you don’t run down to dry cleaners when your appendix bursts, they are not properly equipped to offer the best medical advice for your specific situation. Doctors, medical professionals with input from you, your partner and spiritual advisor if applicable but not my Congressman.
Robert M. Snyder May 14th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Who is “making absolutes”? Have you read the bill? Does it not permit abortions in exceptional circumstances?
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
Nope.
Carla Akins May 14th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Sorry, it won’t let me edit. The Republicans, Yes I read the bill when they tried pushing it through a few months back and no, there are no provisions for fetal anomalies.
Robert M. Snyder May 14th, 2015 at 10:21 pm
I just looked over the text, and I also have problems with it. For those who haven’t read it, here’s the text:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/1797/text
For example, “Substantial evidence indicates that children born missing the bulk of the cerebral cortex, those with hydranencephaly, nevertheless experience pain.”
So they want to prohibit abortion of a fetus missing the bulk of the cerebral cortex? I suspect that a great majority of conservatives would allow an exception for something that serious. I certainly would. And isn’t that the reason why incest is always allowed as an exception? Because children from incestuous relationships generally have severe mental handicaps?
The 20-week limit seems like a common-sense middle ground between the two ridiculous extremes (just after fertilization and just before birth). But nobody should be forced to carry and deliver a severely deformed fetus, such as a fetus lacking a cerebral cortex, regardless of the gestational age.
One thing that complicates this issue and makes many people unwilling to leave the decision entirely to the woman and her doctor is the fact that some people would abort a baby due to gender alone, or due to very minor issues such as extra fingers or toes.
Someday there may be a test to determine sexual orientation prior to birth. People might then choose to abort gay and lesbian babies, just as people in some countries are currently aborting female babies. The more things we are able to detect in the womb, the more things might be used as factors.
If a woman says that her husband hates gays and the boy would have a miserable life, the doctor might be persuaded to go along with it. And then we would have babies being aborted because they are gay.
Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 7:03 am
But possible motives behind an action are almost impossible to know, much less prove and trying to moves into an area I am not comfortable with – government wise. I have known in my life that would have considered abortion for gender (but we’re not China) besides gender is known well before 20 weeks. Sure there will be some lack-of-grey-matter idiot that wants to have an abortion for missing toes but these anomalies are also easily determined far before the 20-week range but regardless will such a statistically low number to be considered a margin of error. You cannot leave the already small 1% of woman with real issues stranded because a few bad apples will abuse the system – we’ll never get past the few bad apples.
Robert M. Snyder May 15th, 2015 at 10:58 am
You are absolutely right about gender and abnormalities being visible before 20 weeks. Kind of shoots a hole in my theory.
It is my understanding that in some countries (e.g. England) ultrasound techs are no longer permitted to reveal the sex of a baby to the parents because a large number of people were selectively aborting females for cultural reasons.
“The Council of Europe is due to consider a draft resolution in October which recommends that all its 47 member states – including Britain – instruct hospitals to “withold information about the sex of the foetus” from parents. The move is a bid to prevent the practice of selective abortion, which they say has reached worrying proportions in some former Soviet states.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8786542/Maternity-units-refuse-to-tell-parents-the-sex-of-unborn-babies.html
Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 11:08 am
I hadn’t heard that but I’ll give it a read.
Robert M. Snyder May 15th, 2015 at 11:40 am
According to this NPR article, it’s also illegal to reveal the sex of the fetus in India and China.
“India and China both have populations with many more men than women. To try to reverse the trend, doctors are prohibited from revealing a baby’s sex during ultrasound exams. Still, the practice remains common in both countries.”
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/03/28/175594992/in-india-discrimination-against-women-can-start-in-the-womb
Carla Akins May 15th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
I knew China was a concern, I hadn’t thought of India but it would stand to reason.
Gadea May 14th, 2015 at 6:13 pm
We are not going to see eye to eye on this issue.
tracey marie May 14th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
no baby, mind your business
Kick Frenzy May 15th, 2015 at 1:01 am
I gotta go walk the dog.
Just so y’all know.