May 17, 2015 12:00 pm -


Kansas may be in violation of federal law and limit the amount of federal funding it will receive by limiting to $25 the amount of money welfare recipients can withdraw from ATMs.

The Social Security Act requires states to ensure that recipients of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, “have adequate access to their cash assistance” and can withdraw money “with minimal fees or charges.”

At stake is about $102 million in TANF block grant funds that Kansas receives every year from the federal government.

The state’s controversial ATM limit was added as an amendment to a welfare overhaul bill signed in April by Gov. Sam Brownback, a Republican. The new law also bars welfare recipients from spending their benefit money at certain places, including movie theaters, massage parlors, cruise ships and swimming pools. It also sets stricter eligibility requirements and shortened the amount of time people can receive assistance.

Brownback said in an interview on Friday that he is aware of the possible conflict with federal statutes and that the affected state agencies in his administration are working to fix it.

The governor said he’s open to raising the limit if necessary to comply with federal policies.



D.B. Hirsch
D.B. Hirsch is a political activist, news junkie, and retired ad copy writer and spin doctor. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

69 responses to Kansas In Jeopardy For Limiting Welfare Recipients’ ATM Withdrawals

  1. Anomaly 100 May 17th, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    LOL @ ‘small government’ Conservatives all up in people’s business.

    • Hirightnow May 17th, 2015 at 12:14 pm

      “It’s for their own good”
      (Human phrase translating to “It’s for my own good”)

      • Anomaly 100 May 17th, 2015 at 1:03 pm

        I read yesterday somewhere that potatoes are also verboten for welfare recipients to buy. Why do Republicans hate on potatoes?

        • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 1:28 pm

          Potatoes are an “luxury item”..
          Like canned Tuna is “sea food” and verboten for the poor in Kansas to consume..

          • Larry Schmitt May 17th, 2015 at 1:29 pm

            Then they should be Chicken of the Sea instead.

          • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 1:32 pm

            Can it be anymore clear why we dont want the poor laying back and enjoying “seafood”?..

          • Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 3:06 pm

            Are fish sticks really sea food?
            I though they were like artificial imitation cheese slices. They just say that on the package to fool the customer.

          • William May 18th, 2015 at 12:06 am

            Have you ever seen a fish shaped like that?
            Fish sticks are the “Velveeta” of seafood.

          • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:19 pm


            (crackle zap boom!)
            uh, GOSH DARN IT!

        • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:17 pm

          Idaho has airport restroom stall RepubliKon dancers?

        • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:21 pm

          do you really want them to eat the heads of GOP candidates?

          • Anomaly 100 May 17th, 2015 at 3:26 pm

            Ewww! That’s icky. They’re hollow.

    • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:24 pm

      think that’s picky, wait till you see their ‘dress codes’ for their Kristian Konservative Konsentrated Kamps!

  2. rg9rts May 17th, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    HAH Like Brownback really gives a damn

  3. Larry Schmitt May 17th, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    Conservatives are all about stigmatizing those on public assistance. As if they them wouldn’t prefer to have a job that pays them enough. Part of their “moochers, takers” philosophy.

    • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:15 pm

      and they turn out to be the biggest moochers of all!

      government Halliburton contracts with billions of missing dollars and trillions unaccounted for…

  4. Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Joke is on the poor as ATMs don’t vend $5 bills. So it’s really only $20 they can withdraw.

    • Carla Akins May 17th, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      The $25 limit was added later Brownback contends so proper vetting wasn’t possible – Who the hell doesn’t already know that you can withdraw in $5 increments, really?

      • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 1:57 pm

        Ya think Brownback ever used an ATM?..
        I doubt it…
        He has people that do that for him..:)

        • frambley1 May 17th, 2015 at 11:41 pm

          Of course not, the banksters give him his spending money directly.

          • Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 11:55 pm

            In plain brown envelops.

      • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        Hey ya Carla..
        Ya watching to Royals today?..
        We are wearing the old Monarchs uniforms..
        And playing the the Yankees..
        Friday we beat them to a 12-1 pulp..
        Looks like a good season this year.~!

        • Carla Akins May 17th, 2015 at 2:58 pm

          Been checking on MLB online but of course I can’t see the uniforms from there. Bet we’re looking pretty….

      • Progressive Republican May 18th, 2015 at 9:07 pm

        Had some at my C.U. that did for a while, but they kept breaking sown and they went back to the $20s.

    • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      And still charge $2.50 for 20 bucks..

      • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:10 pm

        maybe it’s the fee double and included in the total amount?

        • tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 3:19 pm

          No, the ATM allows 5 dollar increments only

          • Andrew C. Kuryla May 17th, 2015 at 8:14 pm

            I’ve never seen an ATM that did 5 dollar increments, only 20.

          • tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 8:55 pm

            Seems the right in Kansas are not aware of that fact, that is why they keep having to redo their laws meant to punish the poor and women, they do not know facts or the constituion.

  5. StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    The banks in Kansas love this ’25 dollar limit” on withdrawals..
    They charge as much as $2.50 per per use of of an ATM…

    • fahvel May 17th, 2015 at 1:28 pm

      just imagine every word and expression that would get me banned for life from this fine but sometimes clutzy site – that is what I think of kansas, the governor and anyone agreeing with the blankety blank.

      • tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 3:18 pm

        I highly doubt you would be banned, deleted comment maybe. Been there and had comments deleted

        • Progressive Republican May 18th, 2015 at 9:06 pm

          I got banned from Red State for saying that the PPACA as Nixon’s idea codified by the Heritage Foundation. The moderator told me that if I was going to carry water for Obama then I’d be banned.

          I didn’t, but I was,

          • arc99 May 18th, 2015 at 9:15 pm

   has written rules which prohibit dissenting opinions.

            makes it all the more infuriating when right wing trolls come to this forum whining about the moderators. here, you only get banned for being profane or rude.

            at redstate, a liberal point of view, no matter how civil or politely presented is simply not tolerated. right wingers apparently have a problem with anyone who dares think differently than they do


          • Andrew C. Kuryla May 18th, 2015 at 10:23 pm

            lol! WOW. Just wow…. Can’t have the delicate brainwashed minds of the ignorant challenged!

          • tracey marie May 18th, 2015 at 10:43 pm


          • whatthe46 May 18th, 2015 at 10:29 pm

            i haven’t been there, but, that has happend to me as well on other sites. challenge them and you’re out of there.

      • burqa May 18th, 2015 at 12:25 am

        I think they’d let you get away with comparing this policy to what comes out of my butt.

        ………………………………………………..Can’t say for sure, though………

      • Hugh Everett May 18th, 2015 at 2:42 am

        Kansas Republicans are merely encouraging their poor to move next door to Missouri. This is why red states beat up on poor people.

    • Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 3:03 pm

      And people wonder why I hate banks. I joined my local Credit Union over 20 years ago and haven’t regretted it once.

      • Dwendt44 May 18th, 2015 at 1:20 pm

        As an aside, There’s a area gas station/quick mart chain that has ‘free’ ATM machines. But then Wisconsin doesn’t have a cash welfare system.

    • granpa.usthai May 17th, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      my bank offers free access to their atms with direct deposit.

      • StoneyCurtisll May 17th, 2015 at 3:44 pm

        Key words..
        ‘to their ATMs’..:)

        • frambley1 May 17th, 2015 at 11:39 pm

          And the recipients probably do not have any choice in what bank is used for the program (I didn’t when I (gasp) was on unemployment). So if there aren’t any ATMs from said bank in their area they’re SOL and the banks get to keep more of the money. YAY!!

    • tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 3:17 pm

      Plus the $1. fee for withdrawal

  6. Suzanne McFly May 17th, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    You want to put limits on welfare? Good, then get your fellow republicans to sign the damn jobs bill our President presented 4 years ago.

    • Progressive Republican May 18th, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      Two chances: fat and slim.

  7. tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    The reality is ATM withdrawals will be for only $20 due to restrictions of $5. increments. plus the $1. fee and any bank fees attached. The people could end up with $15. or less.

    • whatthe46 May 17th, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      toiletries cost more than 25.00. laundry detergent, cost to wash, utlities, etc. what are these people thinking. oh, they don’t care, what was i thinking.

      • tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 6:05 pm

        They are now considering raising the limit to 60 dollars. That means a family has to shop nearly everyday for the basic essentials for life.

        • frambley1 May 17th, 2015 at 11:35 pm

          And, as noted above, pay the associated fees for each withdrawal. Just another little gift to the bankster overlords of these republicans.

  8. majii May 17th, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Brownback reveals in the article why he should have been sent to the unemployment line in the last election—the jack*ss now says he knew the new KS law was in conflict with the federal TANF law when he signed the bill. The fact that he signed the bill into law while knowing this indicates to me that he’s a pandering coward who lacks the courage to stand up to the vindictive right-wing nutters in the KS legislature who want to punish and humiliate the poor, so he signs BS bills into law and then ends up looking like the fool he is.

    • Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 11:53 pm

      He’s one of those vindictive right wing nutters himself. His whole economic policies and agenda is straight out of ALEC and Tea Bag play books.

  9. Tim Coolio May 17th, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    Is this crazy or what? if you want to see a state with outdated out of touch republican policies, this is it.

    • frambley1 May 17th, 2015 at 11:33 pm

      And the resultant imploding economy.

      • Dwendt44 May 17th, 2015 at 11:51 pm

        We know that austerity doesn’t work. You can’t cut your way to prosperity.

  10. William May 18th, 2015 at 12:00 am

    “There’s no place like anywhere else.

  11. John Tarter May 18th, 2015 at 12:38 am

    At no time do liberals like it when attempts are made to stem the fraud that goes along with public assistance payments. Withdrawals from ATM’s should be eliminated completely in my humble opinion.

    • whatthe46 May 18th, 2015 at 12:43 am

      you think only liberals are on assistance? lol

      • William May 18th, 2015 at 12:58 am

        LOL. BTW Congress is not scheduled to have one single five day work week in 2015

        • whatthe46 May 18th, 2015 at 1:41 pm

          nice william

    • AmusedAmused May 18th, 2015 at 11:20 am

      The $25 limit has nothing to do with fraud. It’s a means to enrich banks with welfare money, since owners of ATMs charge $2-$3 for every withdrawal. By limiting a daily withdrawal to $25, you are forcing a welfare recipient to hand over a good chunk of his allowance to a bank. The law isn’t meant to curb fraud, it’s a scheme to enrich the governor’s rich friends — you know, just like the mandatory drug testing is REALLY just a scheme to direct public money into private lab owners’ coffers. It’s also the reason why conservatives will NEVER eliminate ATM withdrawals. (And as a conservative, you should be ashamed for suggesting it. Where is your obligatory concern for the Innocent Job Creators, who stand to lose money if there were no ATM withdrawals??)

  12. Casey Compton May 18th, 2015 at 12:48 am

    I would like to know what the average TANF benefit is for those in Kansas. In my state, Arkansas, it’s very low, like $200 a month for a family of three, and someone has to be in school or a qualified job training program. EBT is a separate thing. I applied when I was unemployed, had 2 kids in highschool, and an infant. I was told I would get $119 a month.

    • whatthe46 May 18th, 2015 at 12:54 am

      it’s not that much different any where else. even less for one child. i don’t know where they get the idea that would be able to afford trips on a cruise with what they receive. its not nearly a windfall.

      • William May 18th, 2015 at 1:01 am

        It’s the same mentality that came up with the phony food stamp lobster receipt and the “Obama phone” story.
        It’s interesting how the right perpetuates these BS myths, yet you never see a retraction or apology when they get called out for it.

  13. William May 18th, 2015 at 12:56 am

    Don’t you just love the right wing and their target for indignation?

  14. allison1050 May 18th, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    I don’t remember my exact words from 4-5 weeks ago but really? Cruises, movies, massages and swimming pools? I’m slowly shaking my head knowing that the idiots voted this idiot back into office after EVERYTHING he did to his state and THIS?